Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Topper, Regarding your comment about pharmacies using brown bottles. Not all do my Mom's pharmacy uses green bottles. Robin --- The_Thyroid_Support_Group wrote: --------------------------------- The_Thyroid_Support_Group The_Thyroid_Support_Group Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) 1a. body odor and the thyroid From: janetvisser 1b. Re: body odor and the thyroid From: Judy P 1c. Re: maca root From: JustYourTypeDTP 2a. Armour - help with dosing From: J. McCormick 2b. Re: Armour - help with dosing From: Teague 2c. Re: Armour - help with dosing - Adrenals From: J. McCormick 2d. Re: Armour - help with dosing From: topper2@... 3. All KINDS of Goitrogens, Hormone Inhibitors, Etc... From: 4. interesting articles... From: Teague 5a. Re: newbie From: Teague 5b. Re: newbie From: topper2@... 5c. Re: newbie From: liliane wise 6. Rain check on a spam hunt! From: topper2@... 7. Re: smelly or not, armour lasts a lonnnnnnnng time From: topper2@... 8. Re: Armour pills From: topper2@... 9. Re: Brain fog, brain farts, it's something that will pass, just don' From: topper2@... 10. Re: Topper From: JustYourTypeDTP 11a. Re: Armour pills not armour? From: JustYourTypeDTP 11b. Re: Armour pills not armour? From: Judy P 11c. Re: Armour pills not armour? From: topper2@... 11d. Re: Armour pills not armour? From: JustYourTypeDTP 12a. Just switched to Armour--have questions From: sunshellsea3 12b. Re: Just switched to Armour--have questions From: topper2@... 12c. Re: Just switched to Armour--have questions From: sunshellsea3 13. Newbie Intro From: View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. body odor and the thyroid Posted by: " janetvisser " JANETVISSER@... janetvisser Sun Feb 4, 2007 4:05 am (PST) Does anyone have body odor due to extreme temperature extremes. I have had hot and cold extremes and menopause issues. Any information is appreciated. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1b. Re: body odor and the thyroid Posted by: " Judy P " ygroupsjp@... ygroupsjp Sun Feb 4, 2007 7:56 am (PST) When I took too much Armour, I did have a lot of sweating, but I'm not sure about the odour LOL. In terms of menopause, I have completely eliminated my hot flashes and night sweats by doing two things. First, I nixed the sugar! Yikes, I know. I found that there was a profound correlation between the number of cookies I ate and the number of times I would wake up drenched in the night. I've not cut out all refined sugars, especially after dinner and I don't have that problem anymore. I also take 1.5 - 3 grams per day of gelatinized maca root. This is not spam, I've been on this list a long time. Maca root grows in the Andes mountains of Peru and was first discovered for it's fertility success with the sheep there. It adapts to gender, age, etc. and balances many types of hormones. If you're interested in it, there are brand differences, so email me and I'll give you the scoop about which one I use. Judy --------------------------------- Does anyone have body odor due to extreme temperature extremes. I have had hot and cold extremes and menopause issues. Any information is appreciated. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1c. Re: maca root Posted by: " JustYourTypeDTP " justyourtypedtp@... justyourtypedtp Sun Feb 4, 2007 11:58 am (PST) Judy, can you mail me the info on the Maca please?sounds interesting! Thanks, Sue On 2/4/07 9:56 AM, " Judy P " ygroupsjp@...> wrote: > > > > > When I took too much Armour, I did have a lot of sweating, but I'm not sure > about the odour LOL. > > In terms of menopause, I have completely eliminated my hot flashes and night > sweats by doing two things. First, I nixed the sugar! Yikes, I know. I > found that there was a profound correlation between the number of cookies I > ate and the number of times I would wake up drenched in the night. I've not > cut out all refined sugars, especially after dinner and I don't have that > problem anymore. > > I also take 1.5 - 3 grams per day of gelatinized maca root. This is not spam, > I've been on this list a long time. Maca root grows in the Andes mountains of > Peru and was first discovered for it's fertility success with the sheep there. > It adapts to gender, age, etc. and balances many types of hormones. > > If you're interested in it, there are brand differences, so email me and I'll > give you the scoop about which one I use. > > Judy > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2a. Armour - help with dosing Posted by: " J. McCormick " mccormicklj@... mccormicklj Sun Feb 4, 2007 7:03 am (PST) Hi everyone, Not sure if you'll remember what was going on with me...I have Hashimoto's, and in December, I decided to stop taking my Armour thyroid med. I was hoping to go HYPER and get RAI, but instead, I went HYPO. So, by mid-January, I decided to go back onto the Armour...this time, starting at a lower dose and increasing it slower (previously, my doc had me start at 30mg and increase it by 30mg every 2 weeks). In mid-January, I started taking 15mg of Armour every day...my basal temp went from 97.2 to 98.3 within a week, and during that time, my back pain decreased and I had a little more energy. But then, my basal temp started to slowly drop again, and after 2 weeks and 3 days, my temp was 97.7...plus, my back pain was back again and I was more tired. So, even though I was planning on waiting at least a month before increasing the Armour to 30mg, I decided to go ahead and increase it on January 31st. Although my back pain is a little better, I don't have any more energy yet, and I'm trying to understand my basal temp...on the day I took 30mg of Armour, my basal temp was 97.7, and the same on the 2nd day. On the 3rd day, it increased to 97.9, but dropped again today to 97.7. Any thoughts? Am I expecting results too soon? Did I increase from 15mg to 30mg too soon? Thanks so much, as always! M. __________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2b. Re: Armour - help with dosing Posted by: " Teague " medstudent2be@... medstudent2be Sun Feb 4, 2007 8:07 am (PST) It sounds like it could be adrenal problems that are the back pain culprit. Often our thyroid hormones will trigger them to fire out a bit and that ends the back pain... and that starts the up and down cycle of energy loss, fatigue and back pain. So many doctors know tiredness is part of being hypo, but they rarely understand the adrenal gland connection....*sigh*. From my understanding you're supposed to average out your basal for the week.... have a certain day every week where you add up the seven day amounts and divide them by seven... you'll get your average temp . For instance if you add up the last four temps you listed, you get 391.0. If you divide that by 4*** you'll get 97.75. And that would be your average... It does sound like your dosage is still a bit off, ALTHOUGH... after you increase your armour for 2-3 months after you may have that energy drop as your adrenal glands also get used to the dosage. So it would probably be a good thing to talk to your doc about it.... maybe have them run some adrenal tests after you stay on your dosage for a while and see what the numbers say. They're going to be off, but you'll at least know where they are... my doc told me when I asked years ago.. 'well, I know they're not going to be accurate, so what's the point?'.. coulda slapped the man . I don't know if I would increase the dosage that quickly, either way if you do, you'll have back pain until the adrenal glands recover from not working so well... it will take a while for them to become healthy again. I wish I could remember where that post is in the group that talks about thyroid and adrenal function... it went something like this... after taking your thyroid hormone (usually natural thyroid) for a few weeks-months, you will feel pretty good and then your energy will drop out, you might get puffy faced again and your back will start hurting - much like period cramps if you're a woman... and that is why many people go off of armour because they feel so crappy initially on it. The reason for that is the adrenal glands are finally waking up and being stimulated after going for so long without adequate prodding, I guess LOL. Then sometimes they over prod or under... and the cycle continues. When the thyroid dosage levels out so the adrenal glands are not getting so 'worked up' they resume a more normal fashion although can still be slightly or very depleated in energy. I hope that helps and that I haven't left out anything.. Good luck, (***although you should take your temp 3-4 times a day, waking up, mid day, mid evening, before bed... and average it out for the day THEN average it out for the week doing the same math). You'll get a more accurate reading that way. _____________________________ Any information given or dispensed by myself is from my own experience and I am not a medical professional (yet). It is not intended to treat, cure, diagnose, etc. but only to help other patients gain information and understanding of their own conditions or possibly an underlying illness. Please consult with your doctor or a trained medical professional regarding your own personal case history and your best treatment options. Re: newbie I was on synthroid since 8 and changed to Armour about 10 years ago. My symptoms have never totally disappeared. I have other symptoms- facial hairs,extreme sweating.I am on 1.5 grains Armour. I have always had hair that sheds like a dog,my temperature extremes have been on the cold side but since I am near menopause, I am getting warm extremes. Several Dr's have refused to write a prescription for thyroid medicine.I have not been to a endocrinologist for 15 years due to primary HMO's. I have found a primary who is willing to write me a referral. > > For some of us the switch can be rough... The doc did pretty good with > the switch over as far as the amount... at 60mg, 1 grain, you're taking > slightly more hormone than your were, but it's a bit different. > > Before you were taking only the T4 hormone, you'll learn more about the > different hormones as you get more into it, so don't get to flustered if > you don't know all this stuff yet.... you will.... Now you are taking all > the thyroid hormones... so it may be a bit of a shock to your system at > first... we all react to it differently. > > I suspect that your adrenals might be a bit pooped out and if that is the > case the Armour might have given them a bigger push and that might > account for some of the fatigue. > > How have your labs been looking? Can you post them, with the ranges, so > that we can see what the doc has been checking and how things look?? > > Consider the time that you take the Armour... and when you are feeling > 'bad'. Is it right after taking it... an hour... two... three hours? > More? > How far apart are your doses, what times are you taking them? > Are you taking them on an empty tummy or with a meal? Or sublingually? > Are you taking them (the Armour doses) with vitamins or anything? > Are you taking them with water, or something else? > > Sometimes the silliest things can make a difference... so that's why > we'll all be asking questions... > > This could also be a coincidental Hashi swing... considering that you > said that your TSH is all over the place... TSH, with Hashi's, is best > suppressed... near zero.... > > Topper () > > On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:17:40 -0000 " sunshellsea3 " > writes: > > Hi, > > I am so glad I found this site! I was diagnosed with Hypo/Hashi's > > at age 14 and have been on Synthroid since then. I am now 28. I > > have > > always had ALL the major symptoms of Hypo, especially fatigue. I > > have > > been at every TSH level and most doctors say " you're fine. " I went > > to > > a new doctor this week who really listened and she switched me to > > Armour. I was taking 0.88 of Synthroid plus an extra half of a pill > > on Sunday. She gave me 60mg. of Armour to start. I have split the > > pill and am taking half in the morning and half in the evening. > > I am excited about the switch, but nervous b/c right now I feel > > WORSE! I feel even more tired and feel like my brain fog is even > > worse. Is there an ajusting time when things are worse when > > switching > > to Armour from synthetic? I know I may need a higher dose, but I am > > just surprised to feel so badly. I thought I read that the first > > week > > can be rough b/c you have both drugs in your system, but I am not > > sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated! > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 13. Newbie Intro Posted by: " " frostgoatfarm@... frostgoatfarm Sun Feb 4, 2007 4:27 pm (PST) I recently joined this group, about a week ago, and have been reading some of the past posts. Lots of good stuff here. I have been on thyroid replacement for about 2 years. The first year I was taking Armour and the next year the doc switched me to a small dose of synthroid and two doses per day of T3. I also am on hormone replacement therapy. I take bioidentical progesterone and testosterone. I just found out I am pregnant and was wondering if this will change any of the thyroid dosing. I have an appointment with the doc - made it before I knew I was pregnant - What has been some of your experiences with pregnancy and thyroid/hormone replacement therapy? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 9 New Members Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. Need to Reply? Click one of the " Reply " links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 that's funny... my parent's vet uses green LOL. Re: newbieI was on synthroid since 8 and changed to Armour about10 years ago. My symptoms have never totally disappeared. I haveother symptoms-facial hairs,extreme sweating.I am on 1.5 grainsArmour. I have always had hair that sheds like a dog,my temperatureextremes have been on the cold side but since I am near menopause,I am getting warm extremes.Several Dr's have refused to write a prescriptionfor thyroid medicine.I have not been to a endocrinologist for 15years due to primary HMO's. I have found a primary who is willingto write me a referral.>> For some of us the switch can be rough... The docdid pretty good with> the switch over as far as the amount... at 60mg, 1grain, you're taking> slightly more hormone than your were, but it's a bitdifferent.> > Before you were taking only the T4 hormone, you'lllearn more about the> different hormones as you get more into it, so don'tget to flustered if> you don't know all this stuff yet.... you will....Now you are taking all> the thyroid hormones... so it may be a bit of ashock to your system at> first... we all react to it differently.> > I suspect that your adrenals might be a bit poopedout and if that is the> case the Armour might have given them a bigger pushand that might> account for some of the fatigue.> > How have your labs been looking? Can you post them,with the ranges, so> that we can see what the doc has been checking andhow things look??> > Consider the time that you take the Armour... andwhen you are feeling> 'bad'. Is it right after taking it... an hour...two... three hours?> More? > How far apart are your doses, what times are youtaking them?> Are you taking them on an empty tummy or with ameal? Or sublingually?> Are you taking them (the Armour doses) with vitaminsor anything?> Are you taking them with water, or something else?> > Sometimes the silliest things can make adifference... so that's why> we'll all be asking questions... > > This could also be a coincidental Hashi swing...considering that you> said that your TSH is all over the place... TSH,with Hashi's, is best> suppressed... near zero.... > > Topper ()> > On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:17:40 -0000 "sunshellsea3"> writes:> > Hi,> > I am so glad I found this site! I was diagnosedwith Hypo/Hashi's > > at age 14 and have been on Synthroid since then. I am now 28. I > > have > > always had ALL the major symptoms of Hypo,especially fatigue. I > > have > > been at every TSH level and most doctors say"you're fine." I went > > to > > a new doctor this week who really listened and sheswitched me to > > Armour. I was taking 0.88 of Synthroid plus anextra half of a pill > > on Sunday. She gave me 60mg. of Armour to start. I have split the > > pill and am taking half in the morning and half inthe evening.> > I am excited about the switch, but nervous b/cright now I feel > > WORSE! I feel even more tired and feel like mybrain fog is even > > worse. Is there an ajusting time when things areworse when > > switching > > to Armour from synthetic? I know I may need ahigher dose, but I am > > just surprised to feel so badly. I thought I readthat the first > > week > > can be rough b/c you have both drugs in yoursystem, but I am not > > sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated!>Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 13. Newbie Intro Posted by: "" frostgoatfarm (AT) yahoo (DOT) com frostgoatfarm SunFeb 4, 2007 4:27 pm (PST) Irecently joined this group, about a week ago, and havebeen reading some of the past posts. Lots of good stuff here. Ihave been on thyroid replacement for about 2 years. The first yearI was taking Armour and the next year the doc switched me to asmall dose of synthroid and two doses per day of T3. I also am onhormone replacement therapy. I take bioidentical progesteroneand testosterone. I just found out I am pregnant and waswondering if this will change any of the thyroid dosing. I have anappointment with the doc - made it before I knew I was pregnant - What hasbeen some of your experiences with pregnancy and thyroid/hormonereplacement therapy? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) RecentActivity9 New MembersVisit Your Group Give BackYahoo! for GoodGet inspiredby a good cause.Y! 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