Re: A Topper ramble on OTC and taking a close loo...

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the thorough reply !

I am interested in trying the nutri meds product. I'll probably order some today.

I actually have found a source for prescription grade thyroid hormone, but i am scared to even try it when i hear all the docs telling me my thyroid is "just fine." What if they are right? Of course i highly doubt it. I know something is wrong with me....I am tired of going for months on less than 1000 calories, low carbs, and losing ZERO weight. Come on...i am 300 lbs, i shouldn't even be able to SURVIVE on 1000 cals!!!

My inability to lose weight is my #1 issue but i have many others...hair loss, low temps, dry skin, etc.

My bloodwork was: TSH 2.3

FT3 1.1 (0.8-1.8)

FT4 2.6 (2.3-4.2)

TPO anti: 20 (<35)

Thyroglobulin anti <20

I figure i am probably safer with the OTC stuff...especially with being able to tell my doc that i am taking a thyroid "supplement" vs illegally buying prescription hormones online!

-Eve-

[Guest guest]

, I totally get what your saying and it makes a lot of sense. But I never actually start OUT eating that little. I always start a low carb, @2000 calorie diet. All fresh food with lots of salad, meat, chicken, eggs, veggies, etc. I ate at decent intervals and good amounts and everything just like i was supposed to. I know its healthy and i feel good with that, and in the past, this has worked for me to lose weight. However, the past few years this has NOT been working at all. I've gone as much as 9 months doing this with nothing more than maybe a pound a month or so. THEN i slowly fizzle down my cals thinking that might help, stick to it for a few months, and then throw in the towel when i see no results. A few months later i start usually start over again thinking that i MUST have done something wrong the last time. It's a vicious cycle.

When i had my blood taken for the labs, i had NOT been dieting. I didn't want to skew the results at all so i had stopped dieting for about 2 or 3 months. The doctor who actually ordered those labs for me was holistic, but even she thought my thyroid levels were decent. She spent most of the time talking about diet and told me to eat almost EXACTLY the way i was already eating.

My goal would be about 190, I look good there. But honestly i would take anything at this point.

Thanks again for your input,

-Eve-

[Guest guest]

E, i'd be open to that, but how? Do I call around and ask the receptionists? Would they even know? I really don't know how else to go about this.

If anyone knows a doc in the philadelphia area (or even ny or nj) who treats TSH over 2.0, I'd love their name.

-Eve-

In the meantime I'd still look around for a doctor toget into the action.Some will treat a tsh over 2.0...but it takes a bit oflooking around.

[Guest guest]

EVE:

In the meantime I'd still look around for a doctor to

get into the action.

Some will treat a tsh over 2.0...but it takes a bit of

looking around.

Good luck!

~E:)

--- kaneve@... wrote:

> Thanks for the thorough reply !

>

> I am interested in trying the nutri meds product.

> I'll probably order some

> today.

>

> I actually have found a source for prescription

> grade thyroid hormone, but i

> am scared to even try it when i hear all the docs

> telling me my thyroid is

> " just fine. " What if they are right? Of course i

> highly doubt it. I know

> something is wrong with me....I am tired of going

> for months on less than 1000

> calories, low carbs, and losing ZERO weight. Come

> on...i am 300 lbs, i

> shouldn't even be able to SURVIVE on 1000 cals!!!

> My inability to lose weight is my #1 issue but i

> have many others...hair

> loss, low temps, dry skin, etc.

> My bloodwork was:

> TSH 2.3

> FT3 1.1 (0.8-1.8)

> FT4 2.6 (2.3-4.2)

>

>

> TPO anti: 20 (<35)

> Thyroglobulin anti <20

>

> I figure i am probably safer with the OTC

> stuff...especially with being able

> to tell my doc that i am taking a thyroid

> " supplement " vs illegally buying

> prescription hormones online!

>

> -Eve-

>

>

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Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

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[Guest guest]

My two cents??

You're not eating enough, at that low a caloric intake, thyroid issues or not, you've pushed yourself into starvation mode.. your body's number one job right now is to keep metabolic rate low and turn what you eat into fat first, fuel second.. you can't lose weight, especially when hypo, by undereating. You can lose weight.. but not in a healthy manner, you'll lose fat and muscle... and set yourself up to just gain it back as soon as you eat an extra morsel of food.. has to do with that starvation mode thing.. until your body is SURE that you aren't going to starve to death, rule # 1 is make fat to live and to heck with everything else... like energy and stamina and the WANT to do stuff.

Did you know that if you under eat long enough, or severely enough, you can actually cause your thyroid to lower production to keep the body from starving to death?

... anyway...

You're TSH is at a level that questions why...

Your antibodies look okay, at the time of the blood draw.. but that can vary... one test alone for antibodies only tells the levels at that time, and since they fluctuate....

You're Free T4 is suggesting that you don't have enough hormone for conversion... and your T3 shows that right now you likely don't have sufficient Active hormones (T3, T2 and T1) to feel well.... But is that a thyroid issue or is that an under eating issue.

I know.. right now you are screaming at the monitor, at me, that you can't eat more or you'll gain.. that's true.. you will, until you get your body out of starvation mode and back to having energy and nutrition being rule one and the make fat first rule going to the back burner.

How often do you eat? One or two meals a day, or more? To keep metabolic rate up, to keep the body engine burning fuel and not just smoldering... the more often you can eat the better....

Imagine a camp fire... which fire burns the brightest? Flames leaping and dancing? The one that has branches continually fed into it or the one that has the logs dumped on it... ? We want ours to burn hot and bright and fast, flames a leaping into the air..... so that's the mini-meal thing... small meals spread throughout the day, and with a total calorie content sufficient to keep your body going.

What is your HEALTHY goal weight? The weight at which you are healthy, not the weight where you look like a Twiggy?

You're thinking to go to your doc with a 'see, tried some thyroid support and it's gotten my body working better with some symptoms easing up' approach sounds good.. might make a better direction to come from in getting him to look closer at the thyroid levels. He must have been at least curious to have run that many tests.

If you're up to it... can we talk more about what you are eating, how much, when? See if there are some ways of tweaking that intake up enough to get your body back to a healthier metabolic rate? If you'd rather not... that's okay.. just don't throw stuff at me... you might break your monitor? *shy smile*

Topper ()

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:52:44 EST kaneve@... writes:

Thanks for the thorough reply !

I am interested in trying the nutri meds product. I'll probably order some today.

I actually have found a source for prescription grade thyroid hormone, but i am scared to even try it when i hear all the docs telling me my thyroid is "just fine." What if they are right? Of course i highly doubt it. I know something is wrong with me....I am tired of going for months on less than 1000 calories, low carbs, and losing ZERO weight. Come on...i am 300 lbs, i shouldn't even be able to SURVIVE on 1000 cals!!!

My inability to lose weight is my #1 issue but i have many others...hair loss, low temps, dry skin, etc.

My bloodwork was: TSH 2.3

FT3 1.1 (0.8-1.8)

FT4 2.6 (2.3-4.2)

TPO anti: 20 (<35)

Thyroglobulin anti <20

I figure i am probably safer with the OTC stuff...especially with being able to tell my doc that i am taking a thyroid "supplement" vs illegally buying prescription hormones online!

-Eve-

[Guest guest]

Ok i am open for any ideas.

I usually eat broccoli/cauliflower twice a week, always cooked. Soy: not really, i do try to avoid it. HFCS: rarely, only if i am being real bad. I usually eat stuff i MAKE, so i dont really get much hidden stuff.

When I am eating well, on the 2000 cal diet with lots of veggies and protein and good fats...i usually start the day with 2 eggs cooked in olive oil. Then later a salad with some sort of protein for lunch, and usually chicken with vegetables or salad for dinner. Snack on string cheese, walnuts, almonds, hardboiled eggs, yogurt, etc. I prob eat something 3-5 times a day.

When I get desperate and eat little, i usually eat chicken, eggs, salad, and veggies when i get hungry. no real schedule to it. This is the extreme and i hadnt done that for about 6 months before i had my labs taken.

As for my sleep...it sucks. I cant fall asleep at night and i CAN NOT wake myself up in the morning. I know i have adrenal fatigue...i took the saliva tests and have low cortisol.

-Eve-

[Guest guest]

Eve, in my opinion, if you are 300 pounds and eating only 1000

calories each day, then your problem may be right in your own writing.

1000 calories per day is not enough to keep your fires burning. You

are probably in starvation mode and your body is creating too much RT3

instead of T3. It worries that you'll never feed it again, and it's

storing every ounce that you give it. I would think that 1500 per day

of all healthy foods might give your metabolism a boost in the right

direction, not to mention give you some energy to get moving.

I know that it's hard to believe because doctors and fitness pros all

say that it's just a matter of calories in vs. calories out, but we

who have yoyo dieted on drastically reduced calorie plans can tell you

that there is way more to it than that.

I was like you. I got to the point where I could barely eat anything

without putting on weight. I was at 254 and now I'm at 190. If

you're at all interested in posting a day's worth of food, I would be

glad to look at it for you. If not, then that's ok too. I aim to

please. Just my .02... Judy

[Guest guest]

>

> Eve, in my opinion, if you are 300 pounds and eating only 1000

> calories each day, then your problem may be right in your own writing.

>

> 1000 calories per day is not enough to keep your fires burning.

JMO but I have to agree, 1000 calories is not enough to even get myself

up out of bed in the morning, not to mention be able to function for

the day..

I prefer the 2200 calorie intake( mine is actually much higher) just

make them healthy calories so your body has fuel to burn fuel..

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Okay.... lets do some picking.. and see if anything jumps out...

Thyroid hormones are low.... Doc isn't worried with the TSH.. yet....

Lets see if there is something that you are eating that isn't helping...

Goitrogens.. foods that inhibit thyroid gland function and conversion... with a totally healthy gland it just kicks in to compensate for these vegies/foods and folks don't notice their affects... if the gland isn't so happily working as it should.. they can have a more significant impact....

Do you do a 'lot' of any of them?

such as...

Vegies in the cabbage family (broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, kohlrabi).

How about soy type stuff?

Do you do stuff with high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), like sodas, fruit drinks, prepackaged foods, anything like that?

It think your symptoms are still coming from the low thyroid hormones... just hoping that we can find ANYTHING that will change that.... help it get a wee bit better... to get your body working better.... Supplementation is still likely gonna be of help, but if the other stuff can be sorted that will help too, right?

About how many times a day do you eat --

On the 'higher calorie' diet?

On the 'lower calorie' diet?

Do you eat breakfast?

How much sleep do you get, on average?

Do you fall asleep easily? Are you able to stay asleep? Do you wake feeling rested?

I'll stop here and see what your answers look like.

Topper ()

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:45:57 EST kaneve@... writes:

, I totally get what your saying and it makes a lot of sense. But I never actually start OUT eating that little. I always start a low carb, @2000 calorie diet. All fresh food with lots of salad, meat, chicken, eggs, veggies, etc. I ate at decent intervals and good amounts and everything just like i was supposed to. I know its healthy and i feel good with that, and in the past, this has worked for me to lose weight. However, the past few years this has NOT been working at all. I've gone as much as 9 months doing this with nothing more than maybe a pound a month or so. THEN i slowly fizzle down my cals thinking that might help, stick to it for a few months, and then throw in the towel when i see no results. A few months later i start usually start over again thinking that i MUST have done something wrong the last time. It's a vicious cycle.

When i had my blood taken for the labs, i had NOT been dieting. I didn't want to skew the results at all so i had stopped dieting for about 2 or 3 months. The doctor who actually ordered those labs for me was holistic, but even she thought my thyroid levels were decent. She spent most of the time talking about diet and told me to eat almost EXACTLY the way i was already eating.

My goal would be about 190, I look good there. But honestly i would take anything at this point.

Thanks again for your input,

-Eve-

[Guest guest]

Your thyroid hormones are both very low in their range. I buy my thyroid hormones (for the last 4 yrs or so) on line, legally, though this FDA would have us think that it is illegal. I was basically diagnosed, but was undertreated for yrs, kept at a TSH of 5.5 for yrs, treated with 100 mcgs of T4 all that time, never changing, no matter what. They never even ran my FREE values, but I know that they were in the toilet. Today I have a TSH that is always .00 something all the time, but the thyroid #s are always "normal", lol.

Re: A Topper ramble on OTC and taking a close loo...

Thanks for the thorough reply !

I am interested in trying the nutri meds product. I'll probably order some today.

I actually have found a source for prescription grade thyroid hormone, but i am scared to even try it when i hear all the docs telling me my thyroid is "just fine." What if they are right? Of course i highly doubt it. I know something is wrong with me....I am tired of going for months on less than 1000 calories, low carbs, and losing ZERO weight. Come on...i am 300 lbs, i shouldn't even be able to SURVIVE on 1000 cals!!!

My inability to lose weight is my #1 issue but i have many others...hair loss, low temps, dry skin, etc.

My bloodwork was: TSH 2.3

FT3 1.1 (0.8-1.8)

FT4 2.6 (2.3-4.2)

TPO anti: 20 (<35)

Thyroglobulin anti <20

I figure i am probably safer with the OTC stuff...especially with being able to tell my doc that i am taking a thyroid "supplement" vs illegally buying prescription hormones online!

-Eve-

[Guest guest]

Hi Eve,

Cooking goitrogenic foods doesn't always help if you're very sensitive to

them. Almonds and walnuts are goitrogens. Just a trace of walnut makes me

very ill ! Try cutting them out for a while and see if you feel any better.

As for cheese, you should leave a four hour gap after taking your hormones

before eating any form of calcium. But having said all that, if your

adrenals aren't working properly there's no way you're going to feel better.

They need to be up to scratch in order to use the hormone that you're

taking.

Hope this helps, Lili

>From: kaneve@...

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: Re: A Topper ramble on OTC and taking

>a close loo...

>Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:02:17 EST

>

>

>Ok i am open for any ideas.

>I usually eat broccoli/cauliflower twice a week, always cooked. Soy: not

>really, i do try to avoid it. HFCS: rarely, only if i am being real bad.

>I

>usually eat stuff i MAKE, so i dont really get much hidden stuff.

>

>When I am eating well, on the 2000 cal diet with lots of veggies and

>protein

>and good fats...i usually start the day with 2 eggs cooked in olive oil.

>Then later a salad with some sort of protein for lunch, and usually

>chicken

>with vegetables or salad for dinner. Snack on string cheese, walnuts,

>almonds,

>hardboiled eggs, yogurt, etc. I prob eat something 3-5 times a day.

>When I get desperate and eat little, i usually eat chicken, eggs, salad,

>and

>veggies when i get hungry. no real schedule to it. This is the extreme

>and i hadnt done that for about 6 months before i had my labs taken.

>

>As for my sleep...it sucks. I cant fall asleep at night and i CAN NOT

>wake

>myself up in the morning. I know i have adrenal fatigue...i took the

>saliva

>tests and have low cortisol.

>

>-Eve-

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Lili, ill try to cut out the nuts for a while. I really only eat them for the "crunch" factor that i miss on a lc diet.

And actually, I am not taking any thyroid hormones. I am supposedly "fine" according to the blood tests and the docs.

-Eve-

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if your adrenals aren't working properly there's no way you're going to feel better. They need to be up to scratch in order to use the hormone that you're taking.

[Guest guest]

yeah... you're not fine . you're still possibly having a hormonal imbalance. all tell tale signs of being hypo... tsk tsk, another doc bites the dust .

andrea

Re: A Topper ramble on OTC and taking a close loo...

Thanks for the thorough reply !

I am interested in trying the nutri meds product. I'll probably order some today.

I actually have found a source for prescription grade thyroid hormone, but i am scared to even try it when i hear all the docs telling me my thyroid is "just fine." What if they are right? Of course i highly doubt it. I know something is wrong with me....I am tired of going for months on less than 1000 calories, low carbs, and losing ZERO weight. Come on...i am 300 lbs, i shouldn't even be able to SURVIVE on 1000 cals!!!

My inability to lose weight is my #1 issue but i have many others...hair loss, low temps, dry skin, etc.

My bloodwork was: TSH 2.3

FT3 1.1 (0.8-1.8)

FT4 2.6 (2.3-4.2)

TPO anti: 20 (<35)

Thyroglobulin anti <20

I figure i am probably safer with the OTC stuff...especially with being able to tell my doc that i am taking a thyroid "supplement" vs illegally buying prescription hormones online!

-Eve-