Re: Weight Gain

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>

> Now the question: My doc sort of hems and haws about it, but I

> believe the Lantus is causing me the weight gain. My diet is about

> the same. I try to keep it under 1800 cals. per day and watch my carb

> intake. I know that my exercising was helping to keep the weight down,

> but believe I was fighting a losing battle from the Lantus. My BS's

> have been fairly good, last A1C was 6.5 and all the rest of the labs

> were on good also. I have a fair amount of water retention in my legs

> as a side benefit!

In many cases insulin will cause a weight gain. If you have been eating

1800 calories all along (before the insulin) and have maintained a certain

weight, when you start taking the insulin you are now able to use more of

these 1800 calories than you had in the past. As a result, you can gain

weight. It doesn't happen all of the time, but it did happen to me.

Also, if you have a fair amount of water retention, this will also result in

a weight gain.

I've had problems with water retention, and my doctor put me on Bumex...

this has helped tremendously. It's amazing how much better you feel when

the extra fluids are out of your body.

Mike

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Hi Leif, welcome to the group. Insulin in general can cause weight gain because

of its growth hormone characteristics. You may have to work with your endo on

balancing your meals with insulin and exercise in order to manage your weight.

This is very hard to do even for a type 1 such as I. Insulin also can provoke

the buildup of fat around the organs. For people who are insulin resistance,

they have trouble loosing weight.

Leif Thorvaldson leif@...> wrote:

Newcomer to the Group. Old topic, I guess, but I went through a lot

of the data base and didn't come up with anything specific to my

situation. Perhaps I missed it.

However, I am T2, with Coeliac Disease, Hypothyroidism, 4x heart

bypass. I became T2 four years after my bypass operation following

the good old Heart Healthy diet suggested by the AMA (high carbs, low

fat} at that time. I managed to keep my weight fairly well under

control, but then apparently my pancreas was losing the battle of

producing insulin and my Endodoc put me in Lantus insulin. I am

currently on 100 + 50 units per day, and 2500 mg Metformin and 10 mg

Glipizide. Since going on the Lantus, I have gained about 50 lbs in 9

months. One contributing factor maybe that my bad back (2 surgeries)

has limited my exercising. Treadmill and resistance training with a

Bowflex. I had had cortisone shots in the back about a year and a

half ago and they eased the back so that I could get my exercising in,

but that has now worn off and I will be going back for more shots in

the near future.

Now the question: My doc sort of hems and haws about it, but I

believe the Lantus is causing me the weight gain. My diet is about

the same. I try to keep it under 1800 cals. per day and watch my carb

intake. I know that my exercising was helping to keep the weight down,

but believe I was fighting a losing battle from the Lantus. My BS's

have been fairly good, last A1C was 6.5 and all the rest of the labs

were on good also. I have a fair amount of water retention in my legs

as a side benefit!

Any comments from the group on this, in particular those with shared

Lantus experiences?

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I've heard many say that they've gained weight on insulin. My son gained

bunches of weight once he went on insulin (50-70 lbs?). But in his case, he

had lost way too much weight when he was an undiagnosed diabetic....much of

that was water weight but also I'm sure he wasn't processing food properly.

He has put on more weight than he needed to put on from that loss.

It might simply be the insulin or it might be that the insulin is helping

his body use the nutrients and fat and other stuff. I'm sure much of it is

that he's not peeing all the water out constantly. And it may be the fact

that he's a teenager who prefers to sleep in all day, do as little work as

possible and watch tv too much.......

So that probably doesn't really answer your question in any way that you can

use it. I guess though if you have to be on the insulin, you need to find

other ways to lose the weight. Or maybe you and your dr can come up with a

combination of lowering your insulin dosage and cutting more carbs.

Barbie

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Of Leif Thorvaldson

Now the question: My doc sort of hems and haws about it, but I

believe the Lantus is causing me the weight gain. My diet is about

the same. I try to keep it under 1800 cals. per day and watch my carb

intake. I know that my exercising was helping to keep the weight down,

but believe I was fighting a losing battle from the Lantus. My BS's

have been fairly good, last A1C was 6.5 and all the rest of the labs

were on good also. I have a fair amount of water retention in my legs

as a side benefit!

Any comments from the group on this, in particular those with shared

Lantus experiences?

[Guest guest]

I was on lantus 100 units morning and night. I gained weight even though I am on

byetta. I drastically changed my eatting habits 2 weeks ago. I have since lost

12 pounds. I have cut my lantus back to 80 units morning and night and I am

hoping to cut it back even more in the future. in Ohio

Leif Thorvaldson leif@...> wrote: Newcomer to the Group. Old topic, I

guess, but I went through a lot

of the data base and didn't come up with anything specific to my

situation. Perhaps I missed it.

However, I am T2, with Coeliac Disease, Hypothyroidism, 4x heart

bypass. I became T2 four years after my bypass operation following

the good old Heart Healthy diet suggested by the AMA (high carbs, low

fat} at that time. I managed to keep my weight fairly well under

control, but then apparently my pancreas was losing the battle of

producing insulin and my Endodoc put me in Lantus insulin. I am

currently on 100 + 50 units per day, and 2500 mg Metformin and 10 mg

Glipizide. Since going on the Lantus, I have gained about 50 lbs in 9

months. One contributing factor maybe that my bad back (2 surgeries)

has limited my exercising. Treadmill and resistance training with a

Bowflex. I had had cortisone shots in the back about a year and a

half ago and they eased the back so that I could get my exercising in,

but that has now worn off and I will be going back for more shots in

the near future.

Now the question: My doc sort of hems and haws about it, but I

believe the Lantus is causing me the weight gain. My diet is about

the same. I try to keep it under 1800 cals. per day and watch my carb

intake. I know that my exercising was helping to keep the weight down,

but believe I was fighting a losing battle from the Lantus. My BS's

have been fairly good, last A1C was 6.5 and all the rest of the labs

were on good also. I have a fair amount of water retention in my legs

as a side benefit!

Any comments from the group on this, in particular those with shared

Lantus experiences?

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I am a type 2 for 23 years. I was put on Lantus 2 years ago after a double

by-pass. I have gained

30 pounds since then. Two weeks after going on Lantus I asked to be put on

Humalog for meals.

That has helped me to have an A1c of 5.4 to 5.8%. The weight has definitely

come from the insulin.

I have problems with arthritic knees. I have been walking 3 to 4 miles a day

for 2 months and no weight loss. All my lab numbers are good. So I am a fat

Diabetic in good control. I guess you can't have everything.

S Wilkinson,

Rome, New York

Weight Gain

Newcomer to the Group. Old topic, I guess, but I went through a lot of the

data base and didn't come up with anything specific to my situation. Perhaps

I missed it.

However, I am T2, with Coeliac Disease, Hypothyroidism, 4x heart bypass. I

became T2 four years after my bypass operation following the good old Heart

Healthy diet suggested by the AMA (high carbs, low fat} at that time. I

managed to keep my weight fairly well under control, but then apparently my

pancreas was losing the battle of producing insulin and my Endodoc put me in

Lantus insulin. I am currently on 100 + 50 units per day, and 2500 mg

Metformin and 10 mg Glipizide. Since going on the Lantus, I have gained

about 50 lbs in 9 months. One contributing factor maybe that my bad back (2

surgeries) has limited my exercising. Treadmill and resistance training

with a Bowflex. I had had cortisone shots in the back about a year and a

half ago and they eased the back so that I could get my exercising in, but

that has now worn off and I will be going back for more shots in the near

future.

Now the question: My doc sort of hems and haws about it, but I believe the

Lantus is causing me the weight gain. My diet is about the same. I try to

keep it under 1800 cals. per day and watch my carb intake. I know that my

exercising was helping to keep the weight down, but believe I was fighting a

losing battle from the Lantus. My BS's have been fairly good, last A1C was

6.5 and all the rest of the labs were on good also. I have a fair amount of

water retention in my legs as a side benefit!

Any comments from the group on this, in particular those with shared Lantus

experiences?

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You sure do take alot of Lantus. I take 35 units a day. Iwas told the amount you

take depends on your weight. I actually lost weight when I first starting taking

it but I take acto(15mg) and that causes fluid retenrion. Like you I have had 2

back surgeries, the first fusion didn't work so I had to have it done af\gain.

I'm still in the back brace at least til Aug 30th when I see my spine dr. again.

I also had neck surgery the year before the first back surgery. I also used the

treadmill for exercise and it's getting pretty lonely. I tried using it after

the first back surgery but couldn't do it. Maybe some of your other meds are

contributing to the weight gain. I know insulin does because my dr. doesn't want

me taking more for that reason, I also take 15 units of humalog before each meal

and on a sliding scale at night if needed. Have any more questions feel free to

ask. Lois

Weight Gain

Newcomer to the Group. Old topic, I guess, but I went through a lot

of the data base and didn't come up with anything specific to my

situation. Perhaps I missed it.

However, I am T2, with Coeliac Disease, Hypothyroidism, 4x heart

bypass. I became T2 four years after my bypass operation following

the good old Heart Healthy diet suggested by the AMA (high carbs, low

fat} at that time. I managed to keep my weight fairly well under

control, but then apparently my pancreas was losing the battle of

producing insulin and my Endodoc put me in Lantus insulin. I am

currently on 100 + 50 units per day, and 2500 mg Metformin and 10 mg

Glipizide. Since going on the Lantus, I have gained about 50 lbs in 9

months. One contributing factor maybe that my bad back (2 surgeries)

has limited my exercising. Treadmill and resistance training with a

Bowflex. I had had cortisone shots in the back about a year and a

half ago and they eased the back so that I could get my exercising in,

but that has now worn off and I will be going back for more shots in

the near future.

Now the question: My doc sort of hems and haws about it, but I

believe the Lantus is causing me the weight gain. My diet is about

the same. I try to keep it under 1800 cals. per day and watch my carb

intake. I know that my exercising was helping to keep the weight down,

but believe I was fighting a losing battle from the Lantus. My BS's

have been fairly good, last A1C was 6.5 and all the rest of the labs

were on good also. I have a fair amount of water retention in my legs

as a side benefit!

Any comments from the group on this, in particular those with shared

Lantus experiences?

[Guest guest]

> In many cases insulin will cause a weight gain. If you have been

eating

> 1800 calories all along (before the insulin) and have maintained a

certain

> weight, when you start taking the insulin you are now able to use

more of

> these 1800 calories than you had in the past. As a result, you can

gain

> weight. It doesn't happen all of the time, but it did happen to me.

>

Mike,

I have to question the logic of your response here. If you are now

able (with the help of insulin) to use MORE of the calories, you would

LOSE weight, not gain. If you replace the word use with the word burn,

it still makes sense. Weight loss is a direct result of burning/using

more calories than you take in. If I have missed something, please

explain it to me! Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Anne: I suspect that Mike meant " absorb " more nutrients/calories which the body

can't use and subsequently converts to fat. 8^(

Leif

Re: Weight Gain

> In many cases insulin will cause a weight gain. If you have been

eating

> 1800 calories all along (before the insulin) and have maintained a

certain

> weight, when you start taking the insulin you are now able to use

more of

> these 1800 calories than you had in the past. As a result, you can

gain

> weight. It doesn't happen all of the time, but it did happen to me.

>

Mike,

I have to question the logic of your response here. If you are now

able (with the help of insulin) to use MORE of the calories, you would

LOSE weight, not gain. If you replace the word use with the word burn,

it still makes sense. Weight loss is a direct result of burning/using

more calories than you take in. If I have missed something, please

explain it to me! Thanks.

[Guest guest]

It is a fact that before you are diagnosed all that extra blood sugar that

circulates around is eliminated through the urine instead of being used by

the body. That is why losing weight and peeing a lot is an indication that

you might have a diabetic child. Once the situation is corrected by insulin

the glucose or blood sugar starts being used by the body. The weight loss is

changed into weight gain. All the diabetics I know that are on insulin have

put on extra weight. I understand that anyone on insulin should reduces

their calorie intake by a certain amount to counteract the effect of the

insulin. There is a new insulin called LEVEMIR that does not cause as much

weight gain as the old type of insulin. I can vouch for that because I was

put on NPH just last August and gained 10 lbs in a matter of weeks. When

LEVEMIR was introduced to Canada in January I was switched to that and I

have only gained a pound or two. Still have not lost the 10 lbs though!

le in Canada

[Guest guest]

I dont know about this cause my dad has to actually fight to gain weight or just

maintain his weight . Hes is on insulin shots 2 x a day and metformin ....before

diagnosis he dropped like 20lbs and we thought he had cancer ... now he has to

watch how much he exercises to keep from losing anymore and thats been well over

3 years now . He eats more junk then I do lol ...Hes type 1 on insulin and I am

type 2 on metformin . So not always the case with people on insulin ...

& le spice0356@...> wrote: It is a fact that before

you are diagnosed all that extra blood sugar that

circulates around is eliminated through the urine instead of being used by

the body. That is why losing weight and peeing a lot is an indication that

you might have a diabetic child. Once the situation is corrected by insulin

the glucose or blood sugar starts being used by the body. The weight loss is

changed into weight gain. All the diabetics I know that are on insulin have

put on extra weight. I understand that anyone on insulin should reduces

their calorie intake by a certain amount to counteract the effect of the

insulin. There is a new insulin called LEVEMIR that does not cause as much

weight gain as the old type of insulin. I can vouch for that because I was

put on NPH just last August and gained 10 lbs in a matter of weeks. When

LEVEMIR was introduced to Canada in January I was switched to that and I

have only gained a pound or two. Still have not lost the 10 lbs though!

le in Canada

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[Guest guest]

Your dad has a very high metabolism, independent of the diabetes. Even so, you

stated that his weight loss was MUCH higher before he was diagnosed. I've been

a Type I for 36 years and have never had a problem with weight. That's just me.

The point is: if sugar is running high, the cells are NOT absorbing and

metabolising the glucose from your food. The body begins digesting its own fat,

muscle, and organ cells for fuel. The body also begins pulling fluid from the

cells into the bloodstream to wash the glucose out of the body through the

kidneys. This leads to weight loss.

When you start on insulin, your body has to readjust its metabolic rate. The

body can finally use the food you eat to fuel itsself instead of your own cells.

Most people's bodies will try to store extra fat and fluid because they've been

starved for glucose for awhile. This leads to weight gain. For some people

it's just a little weight, for others it is quite a bit more. Again, metabolism

varies greatly on an individual basis, so one person only gains 10 pounds until

their body adjusts to normal metabolism, while someone else may gain 40 pounds

and struggle the rest of their lives with maintaining a healthy weight. But the

same principles apply to everyone no matter how differently and individually our

bodies respond metabolically.

Tamie

The Finocchiaros als1211@...> wrote:

I dont know about this cause my dad has to actually fight to gain

weight or just maintain his weight . Hes is on insulin shots 2 x a day and

metformin ....before diagnosis he dropped like 20lbs and we thought he had

cancer ... now he has to watch how much he exercises to keep from losing anymore

and thats been well over 3 years now . He eats more junk then I do lol ...Hes

type 1 on insulin and I am type 2 on metformin . So not always the case with

people on insulin ...

& le spice0356@...> wrote: It is a fact that before you are

diagnosed all that extra blood sugar that

circulates around is eliminated through the urine instead of being used by

the body. That is why losing weight and peeing a lot is an indication that

you might have a diabetic child. Once the situation is corrected by insulin

the glucose or blood sugar starts being used by the body. The weight loss is

changed into weight gain. All the diabetics I know that are on insulin have

put on extra weight. I understand that anyone on insulin should reduces

their calorie intake by a certain amount to counteract the effect of the

insulin. There is a new insulin called LEVEMIR that does not cause as much

weight gain as the old type of insulin. I can vouch for that because I was

put on NPH just last August and gained 10 lbs in a matter of weeks. When

LEVEMIR was introduced to Canada in January I was switched to that and I

have only gained a pound or two. Still have not lost the 10 lbs though!

le in Canada

http://www.myspace.com/iforeverloveyou

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Thanks Tamie for finessing my answer. le

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Hi, all...Just another personal observation...

Way back, oh, about 25 years ago, I was diagnosed with a VERY severe case of Graves' disease. Hyperthyroidism. My body was flooded with thyroid hormone, and I was lethargic, brain foggy, gaining weight, and just felt lousy. What I learned is that too much thyroid hormone can also "short circuit" the body's metabolism and react the opposite of what you think it should be doing. Too much thyroid hormone can also bring on weight gain, fatigue, muscle pain, etc. When I corrected the condition with PTU, my levels returned to normal, and I shed the weight and felt much, much better. Now, my hyperthyroidism has become hypothyroidism...the other end of the spectrum. But, again, supplementing with T4 at the correct level, I feel much, much better.

Maureen Pratt

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Yes, absolutely. I've gone hyper a few times over the years, and I prefer hypo by a long shot. Thanks... Judy

My body was flooded with thyroid hormone, and I was lethargic, brain foggy, gaining weight, and just felt lousy. What I learned is that too much thyroid hormone can also "short circuit" the body's metabolism and react the opposite of what you think it should be doing. Too much thyroid hormone can also bring on weight gain, fatigue, muscle pain, etc.

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