Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 We need the lab's ranges for the Free Ts.... The TSH is still too high for someone with little or no gland function.. that number should be under 1.0 for anyone on thyroid meds and near zero for someone with Hashi's or for those with no gland function. More important though is what her Frees are, especially the Free T3... and to know where they stand we need the ranges for the tests that your mom's lab ran. Topper () On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:34:57 -0000 " makjhorton " makjhorton@...> writes: > Hi again > > I'm with my Mom, and here are her last labs, (she has no gland > function as they killed it using Rai to treat the Graves), will you > please advised us if they are " normal " or good, in your opinion, as > I > still find all of this very confusing. Thanks for your > patience...LOL > > Sensitive TSH 1.88 > TSH 1.04 > Free T4 21 > Free T3 4.1 > > Are these values where they should be, or should a medication change > be required? And if so what should happen, should it be increased > or decreased according to these labs? > > Mom currently takes 1.25 Eltroxin. > > Thanks again, I would still be very lost without you guys, as all of > these thyroid issues are about as clear as mud to me... > > Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hi again I'm with my Mom, and here are her last labs, (she has no gland function as they killed it using Rai to treat the Graves), will you please advised us if they are " normal " or good, in your opinion, as I still find all of this very confusing. Thanks for your patience...LOL Sensitive TSH 1.88 TSH 1.04 Free T4 21 Free T3 4.1 Are these values where they should be, or should a medication change be required? And if so what should happen, should it be increased or decreased according to these labs? Mom currently takes 1.25 Eltroxin. Thanks again, I would still be very lost without you guys, as all of these thyroid issues are about as clear as mud to me... Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hi L The TSH was 1.04 Range: (0.5 - 5.0)mIU/L The Free T4 was 21 and the Range: 10 - 22 PMOL The Free T3 was 4.1 and the Range: 4.0 - 7.1 PMOL The Sensitive TSH Thyrotropin was 1.88 and the Range: 0.35 - 5 MIU/L I hope this is the info you needed? Thanks Again, and have a good weekend. > > We need the lab's ranges for the Free Ts.... > > The TSH is still too high for someone with little or no gland function.. > that number should be under 1.0 for anyone on thyroid meds and near zero > for someone with Hashi's or for those with no gland function. > > More important though is what her Frees are, especially the Free T3... > and to know where they stand we need the ranges for the tests that your > mom's lab ran. > > Topper () > > On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:34:57 -0000 " makjhorton " > writes: > > Hi again > > > > I'm with my Mom, and here are her last labs, (she has no gland > > function as they killed it using Rai to treat the Graves), will you > > please advised us if they are " normal " or good, in your opinion, as > > I > > still find all of this very confusing. Thanks for your > > patience...LOL > > > > Sensitive TSH 1.88 > > TSH 1.04 > > Free T4 21 > > Free T3 4.1 > > > > Are these values where they should be, or should a medication change > > be required? And if so what should happen, should it be increased > > or decreased according to these labs? > > > > Mom currently takes 1.25 Eltroxin. > > > > Thanks again, I would still be very lost without you guys, as all of > > these thyroid issues are about as clear as mud to me... > > > > Cheers, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 That's exactly it.... clear as day... your mom is having trouble converting hormone... Look at the numbers for the frees: Free T4 21 (10 - 22) Free T3 4.1 (4.0 - 7.1) The Free T4 is near the top end of it's range while the Free T3 is at the bottom... The Free T3 should be near the top... and the Free T4 could be a little lower. Your mom is on a T4 only med (Eltroxin). Her levels of T4 are good.. so it is getting into her system.. but her body needs to convert that T4 into the Active hormones, T3 is the most used of the actives (the other two are T2 and T1). Increasing her dose of Eltroxin likely one do much good, her T4 levels are high... so the emphasis has to turn to either her ability to convert hormone (that can be something as simple as diet or adding specific supplements) or a bit more complex in her source of hormones (meds) needs to be adjusted... Depending on her doc that would be done through adding a synthetic T3 (like Cytomel) or adding a Natural thyroid product.... Okay.. diet... first the biggies to avoid, because the inhibit conversion, soy and HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup). Then looking at goitrogens... the vegies that affect how thyroid hormone is produces and/or converted... things like broccoli, cabbage, and others. Supplements. A supplement that is specifically needed for hormone conversion, Selenium. Find out if she is taking any vitamins/minerals/supplements, and how much selenium is already coming from that, she may need to add more... but we have to be watchful here. Selenium is a situation where too much is bad. So we have to know what she is getting already. Another HUGE deal for conversion is when/how we eat. To optimize our body's ability to convert thyroid hormone we have to eat regularly... at least every four hours... NEVER EVER skip a meal, and always eat breakfast. If the energy levels in the blood aren't sufficient for the chemical process of conversion to take place it won't. And to keep those energy levels up you need to eat. Personally I do 'mini-meals'. Small meals every three hours or so, five to seven of them a day. How many depends on what I'm eating, if the meals are lower calorie, more meals, if the meals are higher calorie, less meals... The goal is to not go over my goal number of calories in a day, but to try to eat as often as possible. Breakfast is so important for us for several reasons. We need to get energy into our bodies after the night's fast to reduce the stress to our adrenal glands, we have to get the energy levels up to get the day's conversion started, and we need the food intake to help boost not only our metabolism (which affects our energy levels AND our mood). How is your mom feeling now, on this dose with these labs? Topper () On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:06:23 -0000 " makjhorton " makjhorton@...> writes: > Hi L > > The TSH was 1.04 Range: (0.5 - 5.0)mIU/L > The Free T4 was 21 and the Range: 10 - 22 PMOL > The Free T3 was 4.1 and the Range: 4.0 - 7.1 PMOL > The Sensitive TSH Thyrotropin was 1.88 and the Range: 0.35 - 5 > MIU/L > I hope this is the info you needed? > Thanks Again, and have a good weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hi Topper I've printed this and Mom is going to take with her to the next Dr apt. Mom got a flu a while ago and has not been able to recoup from it, she is quite tired and drained. She has trouble sleeping. Mom's weight is in the normal zone, at 5' 7 " , she is 140 Lbs. Her hair grows quick, she has lost 30 % bone mass due to Osteoporisis. I have shared the info re:soy and HFCS already with her, and she was unaware too. Re: Selenium, Mom takes it on occasion but not often. What should she persue about this? (Should I take it too?) On a regular basis, mom takes a multi vitamin, Calcium with Vitamin D and Vitamin E, and of course her Eltroxin 1.25. We are very curious re: veggies and how they interact. This is new info to me. I love broccoli (crave it) and cabbage (crave it too. Please teach us more about the do's and don't here. Mom will start the mini meals, as I already have...LOL she used to tease me about eating all the time...LOL Mom eats very well as far as the food guide is concerned. She eats a lot of yogurt, pasta, natural breads (rye and brown), veggies, oatmeal etc. Well here is another full page for you, so will sign off now Take care Topper... > > That's exactly it.... clear as day... your mom is having trouble > converting hormone... > > Look at the numbers for the frees: > > Free T4 21 (10 - 22) > Free T3 4.1 (4.0 - 7.1) > > The Free T4 is near the top end of it's range while the Free T3 is at the > bottom... The Free T3 should be near the top... and the Free T4 could be > a little lower. > > Your mom is on a T4 only med (Eltroxin). Her levels of T4 are good.. so > it is getting into her system.. but her body needs to convert that T4 > into the Active hormones, T3 is the most used of the actives (the other > two are T2 and T1). > > Increasing her dose of Eltroxin likely one do much good, her T4 levels > are high... so the emphasis has to turn to either her ability to convert > hormone (that can be something as simple as diet or adding specific > supplements) or a bit more complex in her source of hormones (meds) needs > to be adjusted... Depending on her doc that would be done through adding > a synthetic T3 (like Cytomel) or adding a Natural thyroid product.... > > Okay.. diet... first the biggies to avoid, because the inhibit > conversion, soy and HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup). Then looking at > goitrogens... the vegies that affect how thyroid hormone is produces > and/or converted... things like broccoli, cabbage, and others. > > Supplements. A supplement that is specifically needed for hormone > conversion, Selenium. Find out if she is taking any > vitamins/minerals/supplements, and how much selenium is already coming > from that, she may need to add more... but we have to be watchful here. > Selenium is a situation where too much is bad. So we have to know what > she is getting already. > > Another HUGE deal for conversion is when/how we eat. To optimize our > body's ability to convert thyroid hormone we have to eat regularly... at > least every four hours... NEVER EVER skip a meal, and always eat > breakfast. If the energy levels in the blood aren't sufficient for the > chemical process of conversion to take place it won't. And to keep those > energy levels up you need to eat. Personally I do 'mini-meals'. Small > meals every three hours or so, five to seven of them a day. How many > depends on what I'm eating, if the meals are lower calorie, more meals, > if the meals are higher calorie, less meals... The goal is to not go over > my goal number of calories in a day, but to try to eat as often as > possible. > > Breakfast is so important for us for several reasons. We need to get > energy into our bodies after the night's fast to reduce the stress to our > adrenal glands, we have to get the energy levels up to get the day's > conversion started, and we need the food intake to help boost not only > our metabolism (which affects our energy levels AND our mood). > > How is your mom feeling now, on this dose with these labs? > > Topper () > > On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:06:23 -0000 " makjhorton " > writes: > > Hi L > > > > The TSH was 1.04 Range: (0.5 - 5.0)mIU/L > > The Free T4 was 21 and the Range: 10 - 22 PMOL > > The Free T3 was 4.1 and the Range: 4.0 - 7.1 PMOL > > The Sensitive TSH Thyrotropin was 1.88 and the Range: 0.35 - 5 > > MIU/L > > I hope this is the info you needed? > > Thanks Again, and have a good weekend. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I craved goitrogens when I was hyper too.. the body is amazing when it comes to some things... Mine knew that those vegies were good for me.... You've just had your RAI.. that craving may back off... what you want to do now is to remember that the more it is cooked the less of the chemical that interferes with thyroid hormone is there to cause problems, and to keep the amount of those vegies that you eat each week consistent.. then your dosage will be adjusted according to that 'average' vegies you eat and your hormone levels will be more consistent. Osteoporosis... When you have either RAI or a thyroid surgery, there is a significant risk to the Parathyroid glands... they are, more or less, riding piggy back on the thyroid gland. Among other things they release Calcitonin.. it's used by the body to pull calcium out of the blood and put it back into the bones to keep our bones healthy and strong. Without it our bones are not able to repair and grow properly. There are a couple of ways to replace that Calcitonin.. in the last few years they have come out with a synthetic version of it... A nasal spray, and I believe a pill form as well... The other way is to take natural thyroid (Armour or it's clones). They are made using the entire gland, including the parathyroids and contains Calcitonin... Taking the Calcitonin (either source), along with monitoring calcium levels will help reduce bone loss... I can't swear that with a 30 % loss it is gonna all come back, but starting with the Calcitonin now will keep her from losing more. Selenium should be taken consistently.. to help us with our conversion. You most likely both should be taking it.. The foods you eat, are they organic or the ole 'run of the mill' stuff from the grocery store? Organic foods have higher levels of selenium. Commercially farmed stuff, grown on land that is using chemical fertilizers, is very poor in Selenium... How is your mom's body temp running? When we're hypo our metabolic rate is slowed and often our basal (at rest) body temp isn't able to be kept up high enough for us to be healthy. Depending on how low the temp is it affects digestion and how well we are able to fight illness. This is gonna sound dumb and you guys can laugh at me until you have tears streaming down your faces.. but the FIRST thing I do when I know I have a sick.. I put on a hat. I wear that hat 24 hours a day until my sick is over. Yeah.. I wear it to bed too.... I pop vitamin C when I've been exposed to someone that is sick, to reduce my chance of picking it up... My dad is dealing with a pretty decent cold.. been fighting it for over a week now... I'm still okay though... I wash my hands a LOT when I'm out in the rest of the house.. and I have my little row of vitamin C chips (I quarter the pills and take 125 mg at a time) along the top of my keyboard, I pop a quarter tab every time I think about it and am getting in an extra 1500 mg a day. We lose 50 % of our body heat out of the top of our heads. By reducing heat loss it's that much easier for our bodies to increase the temp when they are fighting a sick.. be it cold, flu, whatever... Same goes if you are cold all the time... get into wearing hats, ESPECIALLY when it's cold... and pretty scarves the rest of the time.. it will help immensely to stay warmer cuz your body will be losing less heat out of the top of the brain! Topper () On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:07:01 -0000 " makjhorton " makjhorton@...> writes: > Hi Topper > > I've printed this and Mom is going to take with her to the next Dr > apt. > > Mom got a flu a while ago and has not been able to recoup from it, > she is quite tired and drained. She has trouble sleeping. > Mom's weight is in the normal zone, at 5' 7 " , she is 140 Lbs. Her > hair grows quick, she has lost 30 % bone mass due to Osteoporisis. > I have shared the info re:soy and HFCS already with her, and she was > unaware too. > > Re: Selenium, Mom takes it on occasion but not often. What should > she persue about this? (Should I take it too?) > > On a regular basis, mom takes a multi vitamin, Calcium with Vitamin > D and Vitamin E, and of course her Eltroxin 1.25. > > We are very curious re: veggies and how they interact. This is new > info to me. I love broccoli (crave it) and cabbage (crave it too. > Please teach us more about the do's and don't here. > > Mom will start the mini meals, as I already have...LOL she used to > tease me about eating all the time...LOL > Mom eats very well as far as the food guide is concerned. She eats > a > lot of yogurt, pasta, natural breads (rye and brown), veggies, > oatmeal etc. > > Well here is another full page for you, so will sign off now > Take care Topper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 The TSH and the Thyrotropin are exactly the same thing, so why did they run two TSH tests? This is very peculiar to me. Maybe there's something I missed somewhere? Re: Graves Stats > Hi L > > The TSH was 1.04 Range: (0.5 - 5.0)mIU/L > > The Free T4 was 21 and the Range: 10 - 22 PMOL > > The Free T3 was 4.1 and the Range: 4.0 - 7.1 PMOL > > The Sensitive TSH Thyrotropin was 1.88 and the Range: 0.35 - 5 MIU/L > > I hope this is the info you needed? > > Thanks Again, and have a good weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Hi Topper, Most of the food I eat is commercial, Mom has opportunuity to eat more naturals as she has a store that carries a good selection close by. How much Calcitonin and Selenium should we be taking? Or do we just go with what it states on the pill bottle? Mom's body is cold always just like mine. We did chuckle about the hat, but it does make ALOT of sense, and we'll have to start practising it. There is a lady in my women's group that always has a small hat on her head, I assumed it was due to her losing hair, but now that I think about it she has a lot of hair coming out the back...LOL Mom & I both take a lot of C Vitamin, so we are doing one thing right on our own...LOL, same as the hand washing too!! Thanks again woman and have a great Sat! > > I craved goitrogens when I was hyper too.. the body is amazing when it > comes to some things... Mine knew that those vegies were good for me.... > > You've just had your RAI.. that craving may back off... what you want to > do now is to remember that the more it is cooked the less of the chemical > that interferes with thyroid hormone is there to cause problems, and to > keep the amount of those vegies that you eat each week consistent.. then > your dosage will be adjusted according to that 'average' vegies you eat > and your hormone levels will be more consistent. > > Osteoporosis... When you have either RAI or a thyroid surgery, there is a > significant risk to the Parathyroid glands... they are, more or less, > riding piggy back on the thyroid gland. Among other things they release > Calcitonin.. it's used by the body to pull calcium out of the blood and > put it back into the bones to keep our bones healthy and strong. Without > it our bones are not able to repair and grow properly. > > There are a couple of ways to replace that Calcitonin.. in the last few > years they have come out with a synthetic version of it... A nasal spray, > and I believe a pill form as well... The other way is to take natural > thyroid (Armour or it's clones). They are made using the entire gland, > including the parathyroids and contains Calcitonin... Taking the > Calcitonin (either source), along with monitoring calcium levels will > help reduce bone loss... I can't swear that with a 30 % loss it is gonna > all come back, but starting with the Calcitonin now will keep her from > losing more. > > Selenium should be taken consistently.. to help us with our conversion. > You most likely both should be taking it.. The foods you eat, are they > organic or the ole 'run of the mill' stuff from the grocery store? > Organic foods have higher levels of selenium. Commercially farmed stuff, > grown on land that is using chemical fertilizers, is very poor in > Selenium... > > How is your mom's body temp running? When we're hypo our metabolic rate > is slowed and often our basal (at rest) body temp isn't able to be kept > up high enough for us to be healthy. > > Depending on how low the temp is it affects digestion and how well we are > able to fight illness. This is gonna sound dumb and you guys can laugh at > me until you have tears streaming down your faces.. but the FIRST thing I > do when I know I have a sick.. I put on a hat. I wear that hat 24 hours a > day until my sick is over. Yeah.. I wear it to bed too.... I pop vitamin > C when I've been exposed to someone that is sick, to reduce my chance of > picking it up... My dad is dealing with a pretty decent cold.. been > fighting it for over a week now... I'm still okay though... I wash my > hands a LOT when I'm out in the rest of the house.. and I have my little > row of vitamin C chips (I quarter the pills and take 125 mg at a time) > along the top of my keyboard, I pop a quarter tab every time I think > about it and am getting in an extra 1500 mg a day. > > We lose 50 % of our body heat out of the top of our heads. By reducing > heat loss it's that much easier for our bodies to increase the temp when > they are fighting a sick.. be it cold, flu, whatever... > > Same goes if you are cold all the time... get into wearing hats, > ESPECIALLY when it's cold... and pretty scarves the rest of the time.. it > will help immensely to stay warmer cuz your body will be losing less heat > out of the top of the brain! > > Topper () > > On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:07:01 -0000 " makjhorton " > writes: > > Hi Topper > > > > I've printed this and Mom is going to take with her to the next Dr > > apt. > > > > Mom got a flu a while ago and has not been able to recoup from it, > > she is quite tired and drained. She has trouble sleeping. > > Mom's weight is in the normal zone, at 5' 7 " , she is 140 Lbs. Her > > hair grows quick, she has lost 30 % bone mass due to Osteoporisis. > > I have shared the info re:soy and HFCS already with her, and she was > > unaware too. > > > > Re: Selenium, Mom takes it on occasion but not often. What should > > she persue about this? (Should I take it too?) > > > > On a regular basis, mom takes a multi vitamin, Calcium with Vitamin > > D and Vitamin E, and of course her Eltroxin 1.25. > > > > We are very curious re: veggies and how they interact. This is new > > info to me. I love broccoli (crave it) and cabbage (crave it too. > > Please teach us more about the do's and don't here. > > > > Mom will start the mini meals, as I already have...LOL she used to > > tease me about eating all the time...LOL > > Mom eats very well as far as the food guide is concerned. She eats > > a > > lot of yogurt, pasta, natural breads (rye and brown), veggies, > > oatmeal etc. > > > > Well here is another full page for you, so will sign off now > > Take care Topper... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I don't know, done in error maybe?? > > The TSH and the Thyrotropin are exactly the same thing, so why did they run > two TSH tests? This is very peculiar to me. Maybe there's something I > missed somewhere? > > > > Re: Graves Stats > > > > Hi L > > > > The TSH was 1.04 Range: (0.5 - 5.0)mIU/L > > > > The Free T4 was 21 and the Range: 10 - 22 PMOL > > > > The Free T3 was 4.1 and the Range: 4.0 - 7.1 PMOL > > > > The Sensitive TSH Thyrotropin was 1.88 and the Range: 0.35 - 5 MIU/L > > > > I hope this is the info you needed? > > > > Thanks Again, and have a good weekend. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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