What does metastasize really mean?

[Guest guest]

Dear Anita,

I agree with nne - metastasis is referring to the cancer metastasizing

from its original area (tumor) to the lymph nodes. Mine indicated the same

thing, which referred to my 6 positive nodes from original tumor.

Best,

[Guest guest]

On Jan 26, 2006, I had a 3 cm tumor removed from my

left breast. My surgeon told me that it had started

to grow roots. When my pathology report came back 10

days later, it read that the 1.9 cm was 99% estrogen

positive and 45% progesteren + plus HER2 3+. It also

stated that there was no clean margins. At the top of

the report, it stated metastic or something to that

extent.

I went back in for a lumpectomy on Feb 16th and this

time it stated .3 cm cancerous, 1 out of 8 lymphnodes

had a microscopic trace of cancer but I now had clean

margins.

When I first met with my oncologist, he went over my

report with me, but to tell the truth, I was having a

hard time hearing him. It was that I have a hearing

problem, it was that I was scared inwardly. I told

him that I didn't want to know what stage I was at and

that I would do whatever it took to beat this. After

my lumpectomy, he told me that I no longer had cancer,

but since I had told him that I was on a 100 year

plan, I had no choice but to go the aggressive route

(I imagine it was because I was HER2 Positive.)

He has been extremely helpful and responsive to me.

Everyone I have met who has been treated by him all

feel the same way I do.

My question is this, why did the pathology report say

metastasize? Was it because I didn't have clean

margins the first time, or because I was HER 2

positive? I had a liver test done when I first met

with my oncologist and there wasn't any cancer there.

My labs thus far have been great, the tracker is 9

(the report said anything between 0.0 - 58 is normal).

I will ask my onocologist but I look to your

experiences to give me some guidence.

Thanks,

Anita

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If there was anything in the lymph nodes then that caused the report to say

metastasized. It means that the cancer had spread. I was Stage II, Grade II,

one out of 23 nodes were bad. Mine also said metastasized.

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What does metastasize really mean?

On Jan 26, 2006, I had a 3 cm tumor removed from my

left breast. My surgeon told me that it had started

to grow roots. When my pathology report came back 10

days later, it read that the 1.9 cm was 99% estrogen

positive and 45% progesteren + plus HER2 3+. It also

stated that there was no clean margins. At the top of

the report, it stated metastic or something to that

extent.

I went back in for a lumpectomy on Feb 16th and this

time it stated .3 cm cancerous, 1 out of 8 lymphnodes

had a microscopic trace of cancer but I now had clean

margins.

When I first met with my oncologist, he went over my

report with me, but to tell the truth, I was having a

hard time hearing him. It was that I have a hearing

problem, it was that I was scared inwardly. I told

him that I didn't want to know what stage I was at and

that I would do whatever it took to beat this. After

my lumpectomy, he told me that I no longer had cancer,

but since I had told him that I was on a 100 year

plan, I had no choice but to go the aggressive route

(I imagine it was because I was HER2 Positive.)

He has been extremely helpful and responsive to me.

Everyone I have met who has been treated by him all

feel the same way I do.

My question is this, why did the pathology report say

metastasize? Was it because I didn't have clean

margins the first time, or because I was HER 2

positive? I had a liver test done when I first met

with my oncologist and there wasn't any cancer there.

My labs thus far have been great, the tracker is 9

(the report said anything between 0.0 - 58 is normal).

I will ask my onocologist but I look to your

experiences to give me some guidence.

Thanks,

Anita

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Persona opinion here: I do not believe in the word metastasize. I mean

really think about it: WHAT DOES YOUR LYMPH DO? It removes debrie, " crazy

cells " and it an integral part of you immune system.

Doesn't your immunse system work to take down the cancer? Even when it is

localized, wouldn't that mean that lymph glands and system, as a part of the

immune system be trying to take it down or out?

Truly, I don't understand when you have swollen lymph glands with a sore

throat that's your immune system working, and when you have swollen lymph

glands with cancerous cells in them its metastases.

I am confused. Would you ask your DR. this question?

Blissed be, Annie

Anne Kaspar

Health and Wellness Consultant

www.bodybybliss.com

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[Guest guest]

Exactly my thoughts, Anne. Let us leave the lymph system and nodes in

tact so they can do their job. Phew, glad the sentinal node was -,

because, in my ingorance, I had given concent for an axillary node

disection if it was +!!!!! I, too, believe that eating right is a

major part of the " cure " .

Ruth

PS Oh yeah, about those informed concents, are they considered

informed if information is left out? Mine did not mention that the

cancer cells could seed as a result of the surgery. I will be

discussing this with my surgeon when I see him in Feb. Another change

for the books. I mean, give me ALL the info! The day of the " good

little girl " who does what the paternal doc says without researching,

herself, are over, at least I hope so. I should not have had the

surgery until I had a chance to do all the research connected with it!

Live and learn, well hopefully.

>

> Persona opinion here: I do not believe in the word metastasize. I mean

> really think about it: WHAT DOES YOUR LYMPH DO? It removes debrie,

" crazy

> cells " and it an integral part of you immune system.

>

> Doesn't your immunse system work to take down the cancer? Even when

it is

> localized, wouldn't that mean that lymph glands and system, as a

part of the

> immune system be trying to take it down or out?

>

> Truly, I don't understand when you have swollen lymph glands with a sore

> throat that's your immune system working, and when you have swollen

lymph

> glands with cancerous cells in them its metastases.

>

> I am confused. Would you ask your DR. this question?

>

> Blissed be, Annie

>

>

>

> Anne Kaspar

> Health and Wellness Consultant

>

> www.bodybybliss.com

> bodybybliss@...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Argument logic flaw - then why do Drs. prescribe anti-virals and

anti-bacterials if the lymph can do the job with viruses and bacteria and

not with cancer?

I DO NOT BELIEVE CANCER CANNOT BE DEALT WITH NATURALLY. Too many people

have done it with MAJOR lifestyle, diet, emotional and spiritual changes.

However, I do believe taking out parts of your immune system, whether

through chemo or surgery or radiation, CREATES more problems. Did you ever

ask your Dr. for stats on reocurrence after all of these treatments or mets

after these treatments versus not? Don't bother they won't have the real

numbers anyhow. Your oncologist, surgeon and radiologist WILL NEVER TELL

YOU that they can get every single cancer cell, because they have

liability. They will only tell you they got all they could see, detect,

etc.

One of the finest oncologists I know, Dr. Royce, of UNM here in ALB,

said to me once " All cancer treatments are experimental in nature. " SO what

does that tell me about the lymph question - THEY DON'T KNOW. May be

believing in their system is really the placebo effect?

Cancer is a systemic problem, a total degeneration of the body terrain. It

is the development, IMO, of cells that can survive the massive IMBALANCE

that exists in the body.

Based on what you have said, you've proven my belief. We need no

antibiotics, no antivirals, only....transformation from within and without.

I would urge you to look into serious cancer cases that have been put into

remission through these changes.

Clearly, the lymph as up to it! A little change went a very long way in

these cases. I can quote them for you if you like. Perhaps you prefer

looking them up yourself on the Net?

Blissed be, Annie

Anne Kaspar

www.bodybybliss.com

bodybybliss@...

[Guest guest]

I disagree. Being a 16 1/2 yr survivor I have NEVER heard of anyone doing it

naturally and surviving or surviving if the cancer has spread and living to tell

about it without chemo and/or radiation.. My mother in law was one of those

people.

I know why you are pushing this as we talked when you first joined. I caution

anyone thinking about stopping their treatments and going natural or trying one

of these so called miracles cures to talk to your drs first. As I have said many

times I had 3 friends that did this that had a better outlook than I did and ALL

3 of them died leaving 9 kids behind between the 3 ladies. The smallest one was

2 yrs old.

Hugs

nne

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Re: What does metastasize really mean?

Argument logic flaw - then why do Drs. prescribe anti-virals and

anti-bacterials if the lymph can do the job with viruses and bacteria and

not with cancer?

I DO NOT BELIEVE CANCER CANNOT BE DEALT WITH NATURALLY. Too many people

have done it with MAJOR lifestyle, diet, emotional and spiritual changes.

However, I do believe taking out parts of your immune system, whether

through chemo or surgery or radiation, CREATES more problems. Did you ever

ask your Dr. for stats on reocurrence after all of these treatments or mets

after these treatments versus not? Don't bother they won't have the real

numbers anyhow. Your oncologist, surgeon and radiologist WILL NEVER TELL

YOU that they can get every single cancer cell, because they have

liability. They will only tell you they got all they could see, detect,

etc.

One of the finest oncologists I know, Dr. Royce, of UNM here in ALB,

said to me once " All cancer treatments are experimental in nature. " SO what

does that tell me about the lymph question - THEY DON'T KNOW. May be

believing in their system is really the placebo effect?

Cancer is a systemic problem, a total degeneration of the body terrain. It

is the development, IMO, of cells that can survive the massive IMBALANCE

that exists in the body.

Based on what you have said, you've proven my belief. We need no

antibiotics, no antivirals, only....transformation from within and without.

I would urge you to look into serious cancer cases that have been put into

remission through these changes.

Clearly, the lymph as up to it! A little change went a very long way in

these cases. I can quote them for you if you like. Perhaps you prefer

looking them up yourself on the Net?

Blissed be, Annie

Anne Kaspar

www.bodybybliss.com

bodybybliss@...

[Guest guest]

I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

program...and that's offensive to me.

marisa

>

> Argument logic flaw - then why do Drs. prescribe anti-virals and

> anti-bacterials if the lymph can do the job with viruses and

bacteria and

> not with cancer?

>

> I DO NOT BELIEVE CANCER CANNOT BE DEALT WITH NATURALLY. Too many

people

> have done it with MAJOR lifestyle, diet, emotional and spiritual

changes.

>

> However, I do believe taking out parts of your immune system,

whether

> through chemo or surgery or radiation, CREATES more problems. Did

you ever

> ask your Dr. for stats on reocurrence after all of these

treatments or mets

> after these treatments versus not? Don't bother they won't have

the real

> numbers anyhow. Your oncologist, surgeon and radiologist WILL

NEVER TELL

> YOU that they can get every single cancer cell, because they have

> liability. They will only tell you they got all they could see,

detect,

> etc.

>

> One of the finest oncologists I know, Dr. Royce, of UNM

here in ALB,

> said to me once " All cancer treatments are experimental in

nature. " SO what

> does that tell me about the lymph question - THEY DON'T KNOW. May

be

> believing in their system is really the placebo effect?

>

> Cancer is a systemic problem, a total degeneration of the body

terrain. It

> is the development, IMO, of cells that can survive the massive

IMBALANCE

> that exists in the body.

>

> Based on what you have said, you've proven my belief. We need no

> antibiotics, no antivirals, only....transformation from within and

without.

> I would urge you to look into serious cancer cases that have been

put into

> remission through these changes.

>

> Clearly, the lymph as up to it! A little change went a very long

way in

> these cases. I can quote them for you if you like. Perhaps you

prefer

> looking them up yourself on the Net?

>

> Blissed be, Annie

>

>

> Anne Kaspar

>

> www.bodybybliss.com

> bodybybliss@...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes she does sell something. I told her when she joined that she could not talk

about it as selling is forbid in Yahoo Groups but I see she is trying to get her

point across..

Hugs

nne

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Re: What does metastasize really mean?

I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

program...and that's offensive to me.

marisa

>

> Argument logic flaw - then why do Drs. prescribe anti-virals and

> anti-bacterials if the lymph can do the job with viruses and

bacteria and

> not with cancer?

>

> I DO NOT BELIEVE CANCER CANNOT BE DEALT WITH NATURALLY. Too many

people

> have done it with MAJOR lifestyle, diet, emotional and spiritual

changes.

>

> However, I do believe taking out parts of your immune system,

whether

> through chemo or surgery or radiation, CREATES more problems. Did

you ever

> ask your Dr. for stats on reocurrence after all of these

treatments or mets

> after these treatments versus not? Don't bother they won't have

the real

> numbers anyhow. Your oncologist, surgeon and radiologist WILL

NEVER TELL

> YOU that they can get every single cancer cell, because they have

> liability. They will only tell you they got all they could see,

detect,

> etc.

>

> One of the finest oncologists I know, Dr. Royce, of UNM

here in ALB,

> said to me once " All cancer treatments are experimental in

nature. " SO what

> does that tell me about the lymph question - THEY DON'T KNOW. May

be

> believing in their system is really the placebo effect?

>

> Cancer is a systemic problem, a total degeneration of the body

terrain. It

> is the development, IMO, of cells that can survive the massive

IMBALANCE

> that exists in the body.

>

> Based on what you have said, you've proven my belief. We need no

> antibiotics, no antivirals, only....transformation from within and

without.

> I would urge you to look into serious cancer cases that have been

put into

> remission through these changes.

>

> Clearly, the lymph as up to it! A little change went a very long

way in

> these cases. I can quote them for you if you like. Perhaps you

prefer

> looking them up yourself on the Net?

>

> Blissed be, Annie

>

>

> Anne Kaspar

>

> www.bodybybliss.com

> bodybybliss@...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

> program...and that's offensive to me.

>

> marisa

Thanks Marisa for voicing what I have been thinking myself. If I am

wrong I certainluy applogise.

Val

[Guest guest]

No you are not wrong. If this is upsetting you ladies I will have to ask her

leave.

Hugs

nne

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Re: What does metastasize really mean?

>

> I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

> program...and that's offensive to me.

>

> marisa

Thanks Marisa for voicing what I have been thinking myself. If I am

wrong I certainluy applogise.

Val

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[Guest guest]

I would have to say, I'm not seeing why she is here unless it is to

sell -- at least her point of view, if not her program. I'm not

finding it helpful.

> >

> > I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

> > program...and that's offensive to me.

> >

> > marisa

>

> Thanks Marisa for voicing what I have been thinking myself. If I

am

> wrong I certainluy applogise.

> Val

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[Guest guest]

I would vote for her being asked to leave this group. I'm all about

being open to everyone's opinion and experience but there seems to be

an ulterior motive here and none of us need that. Just my thoughts!

Ellen

> >

> > I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

> > program...and that's offensive to me.

> >

> > marisa

>

> Thanks Marisa for voicing what I have been thinking myself. If I

am

> wrong I certainluy applogise.

> Val

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I'm not upset - I read her for what she is--but I think what she's

trying to sell is dangerous...

marisa

> >

> > I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

> > program...and that's offensive to me.

> >

> > marisa

>

> Thanks Marisa for voicing what I have been thinking myself. If I

am

> wrong I certainluy applogise.

> Val

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[Guest guest]

exactly, ellen - I sense she has an agenda...and it's so unfair to

come to a group of women who have faced/are facing a breat cancer

diagnosis, and all that entails,, and push, howeer obliquely,

her " product " ...

peace,

marisa

> > >

> > > I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

> > > program...and that's offensive to me.

> > >

> > > marisa

> >

> > Thanks Marisa for voicing what I have been thinking myself. If

I

> am

> > wrong I certainluy applogise.

> > Val

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[Guest guest]

Well we can agree to disagree.

One of my closet friends is exactly one of the people who healed

naturally. She is also a 20 year survivor of 4th stage breast

cancer. IT WAS IN HER BONES. She was given no hope by the

traditional medical community and she had to address her diet, her

lifestyle, her love of self, her detoxification, her entire BEING. I

can refer you to her so she can tell you her story, but there are so

many out their. Look up Cobb or Lorraine Day on the Net.

WHile I believe everyone must make their own choices, decisions

regarding their health and well-being, I do not LIKE that the medical

establishment uses FEAR to convince women there is no other

alternative to chemo/RADs/surgery. I like education. I like FULL

CONSENT AND FULL KNOWLEDGE for all.

Why would Royce tell me " All cancer treatments are

experimental in nature. " All I know is that they do their best given

their limited knowledge. Let's remember the barbaric treatments of

100s of years ago - would we do them today? NO, is the resounding

answer.

I just want women to know there are all kinds of ways to address

cancer, and it should be reviewed through many different lenses. For

some women, chemo, RADS and surgery works well. For others it does

not. Do you know the overall chemo effective rate, for all cancers,

is 25%. For ER/PR positive cancers it is totally a waste of time.

If I may I would prefer to focus on feeding the body, mind and soul

correctly anyhow. More important that discussing what does and does

not work for this original " chimera. " Sometimes, however, as I read

these and other posts I get too emotionally involved.

Women have the right to EDUCATED CHOICE OVER THEIR BODY.

Blissed be, Annie

BodyByBliss.com

>

> I disagree. Being a 16 1/2 yr survivor I have NEVER heard of anyone

doing it naturally and surviving or surviving if the cancer has

spread and living to tell about it without chemo and/or radiation..

My mother in law was one of those people.

>

> I know why you are pushing this as we talked when you first joined.

I caution anyone thinking about stopping their treatments and going

natural or trying one of these so called miracles cures to talk to

your drs first. As I have said many times I had 3 friends that did

this that had a better outlook than I did and ALL 3 of them died

leaving 9 kids behind between the 3 ladies. The smallest one was 2

yrs old.

> Hugs

> nne

> Breast Cancer Patients Soul Mates for Life

> http://www.geocities.com/chucky5741/breastcancerpatients.html

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> Re: What does metastasize really mean?

>

>

> Argument logic flaw - then why do Drs. prescribe anti-virals and

> anti-bacterials if the lymph can do the job with viruses and

bacteria and

> not with cancer?

>

> I DO NOT BELIEVE CANCER CANNOT BE DEALT WITH NATURALLY. Too many

people

> have done it with MAJOR lifestyle, diet, emotional and spiritual

changes.

>

> However, I do believe taking out parts of your immune system,

whether

> through chemo or surgery or radiation, CREATES more problems. Did

you ever

> ask your Dr. for stats on reocurrence after all of these

treatments or mets

> after these treatments versus not? Don't bother they won't have

the real

> numbers anyhow. Your oncologist, surgeon and radiologist WILL

NEVER TELL

> YOU that they can get every single cancer cell, because they have

> liability. They will only tell you they got all they could see,

detect,

> etc.

>

> One of the finest oncologists I know, Dr. Royce, of UNM

here in ALB,

> said to me once " All cancer treatments are experimental in

nature. " SO what

> does that tell me about the lymph question - THEY DON'T KNOW. May

be

> believing in their system is really the placebo effect?

>

> Cancer is a systemic problem, a total degeneration of the body

terrain. It

> is the development, IMO, of cells that can survive the massive

IMBALANCE

> that exists in the body.

>

> Based on what you have said, you've proven my belief. We need no

> antibiotics, no antivirals, only....transformation from within

and without.

> I would urge you to look into serious cancer cases that have been

put into

> remission through these changes.

>

> Clearly, the lymph as up to it! A little change went a very long

way in

> these cases. I can quote them for you if you like. Perhaps you

prefer

> looking them up yourself on the Net?

>

> Blissed be, Annie

>

> Anne Kaspar

>

> www.bodybybliss.com

> bodybybliss@...

>

>

[Guest guest]

While I agree that everyone has their own opinion, putting additional fear

into someones thought process while they are already in a devastated state

of mind is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!! Each of us must decide who and what

treatment we will follow. But beyond the education process in understanding

Breast Cancer, IT IS A SUPPORT GROUP. Personally I find nothing supportive

about what you are posting!!

B

Tulsa

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From: Anne Kaspar

Do you know the overall chemo effective rate, for all cancers,

is 25%. For ER/PR positive cancers it is totally a waste of time.

[Guest guest]

I just removed Anne from the group. I had doubts when she joined but thought I

would give her a chance. My apologies if she upset anyone.

Hugs

nne

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Re: What does metastasize really mean?

I would vote for her being asked to leave this group. I'm all about

being open to everyone's opinion and experience but there seems to be

an ulterior motive here and none of us need that. Just my thoughts!

Ellen

> >

> > I have the sense that you've joined us here to sell you

> > program...and that's offensive to me.

> >

> > marisa

>

> Thanks Marisa for voicing what I have been thinking myself. If I

am

> wrong I certainluy applogise.

> Val

>

>

>

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Wow, sorry ladies but I feel you are jumping the gun.

She may have a bias, but don't we all? Truth is-we

really don't know the who, what and why and how of

cancer. I appreciate each person's view, but in the

end I make my own choices, as I believe the rest of

you do. I don't think we should close the group to

someone who may see it differently, but yet know that

another view exist and hear it and then do what you

want with it.

I know I don't post often, so many may not know me,

but I value this group, however I've seen this group

" jump " on other people when they don't share the same

opinion and in my humble opinion I don't think its

fair.

NJ

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fwiw, the woman who was posting , and then was removed, had a very

specific agenda - her spa - in the southwest...she wasn't a breast

cancer survivor; nor was she a current breast cancer patient. she

gave anecdotal scenarios, of " someone " who did well with " natural "

therapy---and, as far as I can see, on a board like this, i think

is dangerous, and so profoundly unfair...

I have PROFOUND respect for women who are going through what we are

going through and choose an alternative path. I detest, however,

those who would come here, with an offer of a *cure*, who don't

*know* what we are going through, who have not gone what we have

gone through - who want, instead, to sell their product...

this is my take, btw...

marisa (glad I made the initial observation)

>

> Wow, sorry ladies but I feel you are jumping the gun.

> She may have a bias, but don't we all? Truth is-we

> really don't know the who, what and why and how of

> cancer. I appreciate each person's view, but in the

> end I make my own choices, as I believe the rest of

> you do. I don't think we should close the group to

> someone who may see it differently, but yet know that

> another view exist and hear it and then do what you

> want with it.

>

> I know I don't post often, so many may not know me,

> but I value this group, however I've seen this group

> " jump " on other people when they don't share the same

> opinion and in my humble opinion I don't think its

> fair.

>

> NJ

>

>

>

>

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For me, having had a breast cancer diagnosis, it is important to have as much

information as possible, both the natural and the standard ways of treating a

disease, particularly one that definitely changes one's life and perspectives.

The support is what I understand this website to be about. And that is why I

was glad to find this group of great ladies.

nne, I appreciate your monitoring this site and giving people an

opportunity. However, if they do not have a breast cancer diagnosis or a family

member with breast cancer diagnosis (male or female), I really do not feel that

this is the place for them.

To me, it appears that all persons here have an open-mind to information and

different approaches and treatments. If that is from a personal experience, I

welcome the sharing.

Peace and hugs to all

marisa msteffers@...> wrote:

fwiw, the woman who was posting , and then was removed, had a very

specific agenda - her spa - in the southwest...she wasn't a breast

cancer survivor; nor was she a current breast cancer patient. she

gave anecdotal scenarios, of " someone " who did well with " natural "

therapy---and, as far as I can see, on a board like this, i think

is dangerous, and so profoundly unfair...

I have PROFOUND respect for women who are going through what we are

going through and choose an alternative path. I detest, however,

those who would come here, with an offer of a *cure*, who don't

*know* what we are going through, who have not gone what we have

gone through - who want, instead, to sell their product...

this is my take, btw...

marisa (glad I made the initial observation)

>

> Wow, sorry ladies but I feel you are jumping the gun.

> She may have a bias, but don't we all? Truth is-we

> really don't know the who, what and why and how of

> cancer. I appreciate each person's view, but in the

> end I make my own choices, as I believe the rest of

> you do. I don't think we should close the group to

> someone who may see it differently, but yet know that

> another view exist and hear it and then do what you

> want with it.

>

> I know I don't post often, so many may not know me,

> but I value this group, however I've seen this group

> " jump " on other people when they don't share the same

> opinion and in my humble opinion I don't think its

> fair.

>

> NJ

>

>

>

>

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And on top of that, she is tottally wrong. These are not the rates. Rates depend

on many factors as staging, gradng, age, type of tumor, etc. It is irresponsible

to say something like this and with no scientific basis. If it is an opinion,

fine, but say so.

Re: Re: What does metastasize really mean?

While I agree that everyone has their own opinion, putting additional fear

into someones thought process while they are already in a devastated state

of mind is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE! !!! Each of us must decide who and what

treatment we will follow. But beyond the education process in understanding

Breast Cancer, IT IS A SUPPORT GROUP. Personally I find nothing supportive

about what you are posting!!

B

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Do you know the overall chemo effective rate, for all cancers,

is 25%. For ER/PR positive cancers it is totally a waste of time.

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,

Before I allowed her to join I knew she was selling something but THOUGHT I had

come to an agreement with her. Being cofounder I cannot allow anyone to upset my

members. I not only had posts in the groups about her but also got private

emails. I cannot allow this to happen.

Hugs

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Re: What does metastasize really mean?

Wow, sorry ladies but I feel you are jumping the gun.

She may have a bias, but don't we all? Truth is-we

really don't know the who, what and why and how of

cancer. I appreciate each person's view, but in the

end I make my own choices, as I believe the rest of

you do. I don't think we should close the group to

someone who may see it differently, but yet know that

another view exist and hear it and then do what you

want with it.

I know I don't post often, so many may not know me,

but I value this group, however I've seen this group

" jump " on other people when they don't share the same

opinion and in my humble opinion I don't think its

fair.

NJ

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You are right Marisa.

Hugs

nne

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Re: What does metastasize really mean?

fwiw, the woman who was posting , and then was removed, had a very

specific agenda - her spa - in the southwest...she wasn't a breast

cancer survivor; nor was she a current breast cancer patient. she

gave anecdotal scenarios, of " someone " who did well with " natural "

therapy---and, as far as I can see, on a board like this, i think

is dangerous, and so profoundly unfair...

I have PROFOUND respect for women who are going through what we are

going through and choose an alternative path. I detest, however,

those who would come here, with an offer of a *cure*, who don't

*know* what we are going through, who have not gone what we have

gone through - who want, instead, to sell their product...

this is my take, btw...

marisa (glad I made the initial observation)

>

> Wow, sorry ladies but I feel you are jumping the gun.

> She may have a bias, but don't we all? Truth is-we

> really don't know the who, what and why and how of

> cancer. I appreciate each person's view, but in the

> end I make my own choices, as I believe the rest of

> you do. I don't think we should close the group to

> someone who may see it differently, but yet know that

> another view exist and hear it and then do what you

> want with it.

>

> I know I don't post often, so many may not know me,

> but I value this group, however I've seen this group

> " jump " on other people when they don't share the same

> opinion and in my humble opinion I don't think its

> fair.

>

> NJ

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jan the problem is anyone can say they have breast cancer. If I remember

correctly she originally told me she had friends and or family members with bc.

I had a gut geeling I shouldn't have allowed her to join and should have stuck

with it.

Hugs

nne

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BreastCancerStories.com

http://www.breastcancerstories.com/content/view/433/161/

Angel Feather Loomer

www.angelfeatherloomer.blogspot.com

Check out my other ornaments at

www.geocities.com/chucky5741/bcornament.html

Lots of info and gifts at:

www.cancerclub.com

Re: Re: What does metastasize really mean?

For me, having had a breast cancer diagnosis, it is important to have as much

information as possible, both the natural and the standard ways of treating a

disease, particularly one that definitely changes one's life and perspectives.

The support is what I understand this website to be about. And that is why I was

glad to find this group of great ladies.

nne, I appreciate your monitoring this site and giving people an

opportunity. However, if they do not have a breast cancer diagnosis or a family

member with breast cancer diagnosis (male or female), I really do not feel that

this is the place for them.

To me, it appears that all persons here have an open-mind to information and

different approaches and treatments. If that is from a personal experience, I

welcome the sharing.

Peace and hugs to all

marisa msteffers@...> wrote:

fwiw, the woman who was posting , and then was removed, had a very

specific agenda - her spa - in the southwest...she wasn't a breast

cancer survivor; nor was she a current breast cancer patient. she

gave anecdotal scenarios, of " someone " who did well with " natural "

therapy---and, as far as I can see, on a board like this, i think

is dangerous, and so profoundly unfair...

I have PROFOUND respect for women who are going through what we are

going through and choose an alternative path. I detest, however,

those who would come here, with an offer of a *cure*, who don't

*know* what we are going through, who have not gone what we have

gone through - who want, instead, to sell their product...

this is my take, btw...

marisa (glad I made the initial observation)

>

> Wow, sorry ladies but I feel you are jumping the gun.

> She may have a bias, but don't we all? Truth is-we

> really don't know the who, what and why and how of

> cancer. I appreciate each person's view, but in the

> end I make my own choices, as I believe the rest of

> you do. I don't think we should close the group to

> someone who may see it differently, but yet know that

> another view exist and hear it and then do what you

> want with it.

>

> I know I don't post often, so many may not know me,

> but I value this group, however I've seen this group

> " jump " on other people when they don't share the same

> opinion and in my humble opinion I don't think its

> fair.

>

> NJ

>

>

>

>

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