Re: soy Q's

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I haven't read that soy oils, specifically are bad....

but....

This is Strictly my opinion, my belief... if you promote the use of soy oil, you promote the manufacture of the soy by products, the more soy by products, the more toxic soy 'stuff' (in my mind I use another word) that is pushed on the public to be used up.

A lot of the soy by product that is used is labeled along the lines of protein something... or fiber something.. non specific terms... like the use of the term 'natural spices' to be able to use MSG in foods without calling it MSG.

I just have an attitude about it, and that's me....

Did you know that canola oil is a soy oil?

Did you know that when flour says that it has some soy in it that it's cuz they use the same grinding equipment for the soy products that they use for the wheat? It has to be listed now cuz so many folks are coming down with severe soy allergies.

Kentucky Fried Chicken has moved to soy oils too.... My choice is to not patronize an establishment, if I have a choice, that promotes the use of soy or GMO foods, for that matter.

I recently found out that 'flavor enhanced' frozen raw meats have been dunked in saline/soy protein solutions... That means that my current source of frozen raw chicken is no longer acceptable, for ME. They are using this soy liquid as a method of making the single piece freezing of the raw meat product easier. That just bums me out... I was using a lot of that type of product, bought in bulk on the cheap.

We each have to do what we feel is the best for us... and I won't be jumping up and down on someone that doesn't feel the same way that I do.. that would be silly.. we have to be able to share our thoughts, and our research, with others to be able to learn new things. Hey, that's what makes us so strong here, to be able to pool all of our talents and time for research and intellect with each other.

If anyone has more info, in either direction... please share... If I'm wrong.. if the issues that I find unhealthy are 'fixed' and I miss it... hey, I want to hear!!!

Here I use corn oil... it's also a non trans fat.. Actually went and picked up the bottle to read... contains only corn oil. 0 trans fats, 0 cholesterol.

I have tried olive oil. It works well in some things, but I really don't like the flavor in baked goods... and have found it's taste not to go well with some of the others things I do, and it is more expensive... and for me right now cost is also a huge factor in choices that I have to make.

I've spent some time exploring the links here:

http://www.roex.com/Articles/dangerofsoylinks.htm

Topper ()

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:32:52 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie writes:> MCD's is now coming out with non trans fat oil for> their french fries. That new oil will contain soy oil.> Would you think this is dangerous?> > > ~E:)

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I agree with you E, and i'd go so far as to say a lot of those people who get weight loss surgery and still can't lose weight probably have some underlying thyroid issues. (I know i cant lose weight even on a 900 cals/day, so why bother with surgery??)

-Eve-

AND all that money they make carving off us...orstapling stomaches!

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Topper:

NO..did not know a canola oil is a soy oil.

I did see oprah's show where she makes a soy shake for

herself and claim to do so every day.

She already looks like she has a thyroid problem to

me...(and a few other little comments she has made

point in the direction)...so I do fear that she will

make others want to do the same dangerous thing.

~E:)

--- topper2@... wrote:

> I haven't read that soy oils, specifically are

> bad....

>

> but....

>

> This is Strictly my opinion, my belief... if you

> promote the use of soy

> oil, you promote the manufacture of the soy by

> products, the more soy by

> products, the more toxic soy 'stuff' (in my mind I

> use another word) that

> is pushed on the public to be used up.

>

> A lot of the soy by product that is used is labeled

> along the lines of

> protein something... or fiber something.. non

> specific terms... like the

> use of the term 'natural spices' to be able to use

> MSG in foods without

> calling it MSG.

>

> I just have an attitude about it, and that's me....

>

> Did you know that canola oil is a soy oil?

>

> Did you know that when flour says that it has some

> soy in it that it's

> cuz they use the same grinding equipment for the soy

> products that they

> use for the wheat? It has to be listed now cuz so

> many folks are coming

> down with severe soy allergies.

>

> Kentucky Fried Chicken has moved to soy oils too....

> My choice is to not

> patronize an establishment, if I have a choice, that

> promotes the use of

> soy or GMO foods, for that matter.

>

> I recently found out that 'flavor enhanced' frozen

> raw meats have been

> dunked in saline/soy protein solutions... That means

> that my current

> source of frozen raw chicken is no longer

> acceptable, for ME. They are

> using this soy liquid as a method of making the

> single piece freezing of

> the raw meat product easier. That just bums me

> out... I was using a lot

> of that type of product, bought in bulk on the

> cheap.

>

> We each have to do what we feel is the best for

> us... and I won't be

> jumping up and down on someone that doesn't feel the

> same way that I do..

> that would be silly.. we have to be able to share

> our thoughts, and our

> research, with others to be able to learn new

> things. Hey, that's what

> makes us so strong here, to be able to pool all of

> our talents and time

> for research and intellect with each other.

>

> If anyone has more info, in either direction...

> please share... If I'm

> wrong.. if the issues that I find unhealthy are

> 'fixed' and I miss it...

> hey, I want to hear!!!

>

> Here I use corn oil... it's also a non trans fat..

> Actually went and

> picked up the bottle to read... contains only corn

> oil. 0 trans fats, 0

> cholesterol.

>

> I have tried olive oil. It works well in some

> things, but I really don't

> like the flavor in baked goods... and have found

> it's taste not to go

> well with some of the others things I do, and it is

> more expensive... and

> for me right now cost is also a huge factor in

> choices that I have to

> make.

>

> I've spent some time exploring the links here:

> http://www.roex.com/Articles/dangerofsoylinks.htm

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:32:52 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

> lyongillespie@...> writes:

> > MCD's is now coming out with non trans fat oil for

> > their french fries. That new oil will contain soy

> oil.

> > Would you think this is dangerous?

> >

> >

> > ~E:)

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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I put soy protein in my morning shake for over 3 years and I didn't really notice any difference in labs or the way that I felt. I lost and gained weight during that time according to my behaviours and it was any harder/easier to lose, or any harder/easier to gain. I didn't know better at the time, so now I use whey and brown rice protein.

When I first read about it about 4 years ago I went to the pharmacy to ask about it. The pharmacist knew nothing of the soy connection with thyroid meds but he looked it up in his big honkin' book and there was a paragraph blurb burried somewhere on the 3rd page. If you ever want to know EVERYTHING about your meds, go to the pharmacy and ask to the 'the book'. I do this every time I'm prescribed a new drug and then I shred 80% of them... Judy

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There is a weight loss programme here in Australia advertised a lot on TV. It's a meal replacement shake powder that you mix with either water or milk, don't know, and have it at 2 meal times instead of eating.Anyway I looked up the web site , (not for me, I've lost the weight on Armour) I was curious as to what was in it.Guess what, it has a soy base................Meleese xx

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From: Judy P

I put soy protein in my morning shake for over 3 years and I didn't really notice any difference in labs or the way that I felt. I lost and gained weight during that time according to my behaviours and it was any harder/easier to lose, or any harder/easier to gain. I didn't know better at the time, so now I use whey and brown rice protein.

When I first read about it about 4 years ago I went to the pharmacy to ask about it. The pharmacist knew nothing of the soy connection with thyroid meds but he looked it up in his big honkin' book and there was a paragraph blurb burried somewhere on the 3rd page. If you ever want to know EVERYTHING about your meds, go to the pharmacy and ask to the 'the book'. I do this every time I'm prescribed a new drug and then I shred 80% of them... Judy

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I'm not surprised. I make my own shake and it is as natural as I can get it. I have it whether I'm dieting or not, since I can't bring myself to chew that early in the morning. It really is wonderful and filling. Here's the recipe in case anyone is interested...

1 banana

6oz cooked long cook oatmeal

8oz almond breeze beverage (or skim milk if I don't have the other)

1/2 scoop chocolate natural protein powder sweetened with stevia

1/2 scoop plain rice protein powder

1/2 tsp cinnamon for the ol' blood pressure

1/2 tsp maca for the old hormones LOL

1 tsp pure cocoa

3 drops liquid stevia

It's thick and yummy and I just sip it while I read my mail... Judy

There is a weight loss programme here in Australia advertised a lot on TV. It's a meal replacement shake powder that you mix with either water or milk, don't know, and have it at 2 meal times instead of eating.Anyway I looked up the web site , (not for me, I've lost the weight on Armour) I was curious as to what was in it.Guess what, it has a soy base

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She has said that she's had her thyroid checked.. but did the docs know

what they should be testing and what it should look like?

She was looking a bit gaunt the last time I flicked by to watch some of

the show.. .I'm kinda wondering if she'll get to a 'wider' phase again...

I dunno... maybe it's me.. but I kinda see a cycle with her that reminds

me of a mild hypo phase where she gets a little fuller and then a bit

hyper where she gets a bit thinner... me thinks its the milder stages of

long term Hashi's.. but I've never notice the neck fullness....

I look too close at folks on TV now.. watching for the little 'tells' in

them... watch the people around me like that too.... I'm dangerous!

hehehee

You know what really irks me? The body builders that are chugging down

the soy protein shakes and then popping the T3 and T2 hormones to get

ripped for competition.... and then there is feeding babies soy

formulas.... all the damage that can cause... I was a soy baby... I

wonder how much that contributed to my end result?

Topper ()

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:37:41 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

lyongillespie@...> writes:

>

> Topper:

>

> NO..did not know a canola oil is a soy oil.

>

> I did see oprah's show where she makes a soy shake for

> herself and claim to do so every day.

>

> She already looks like she has a thyroid problem to

> me...(and a few other little comments she has made

> point in the direction)...so I do fear that she will

> make others want to do the same dangerous thing.

>

> ~E:)

[Guest guest]

I have an old copy of a version of that book around here... it was our 'bible' with all the stuff that mom was getting.. and the crap that first doc gave me when I was dropping all the weight and had all the headaches if I didn't eat....

It was one of those things with the warning to not drive or operate heavy machinery.... I'm a truck driver and told to take it every four hours??

I woke the first morning after taking some after having a horrid night of flash back nightmares.... had mom look up the stuff in her book... and low and behold one of the side affects is nightmares....

This was that doc's solution for a woman that is dropping a pound of weight per day and gets crippling headaches if she doesn't eat...

Wish they had that book at the library, or we could access it online.. though online we can get an awful lot of info....

Hmmmm maybe we should start an info site on meds that are common to us... But we'd probably get sued.... sigh

Topper ()

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:00:20 -0800 (PST) Judy P writes:

I put soy protein in my morning shake for over 3 years and I didn't really notice any difference in labs or the way that I felt. I lost and gained weight during that time according to my behaviours and it was any harder/easier to lose, or any harder/easier to gain. I didn't know better at the time, so now I use whey and brown rice protein.

When I first read about it about 4 years ago I went to the pharmacy to ask about it. The pharmacist knew nothing of the soy connection with thyroid meds but he looked it up in his big honkin' book and there was a paragraph blurb burried somewhere on the 3rd page. If you ever want to know EVERYTHING about your meds, go to the pharmacy and ask to the 'the book'. I do this every time I'm prescribed a new drug and then I shred 80% of them... Judy

[Guest guest]

It makes me think.... (there's a first, LOL)  is society becoming obese from fast foods, or from fast foods that kill their thyroids?JackieTopper:NO..did not know a canola oil is a soy oil.I did see oprah's show where she makes a soy shake forherself and claim to do so every day.She already looks like she has a thyroid problem tome...(and a few other little comments she has madepoint in the direction)...so I do fear that she willmake others want to do the same dangerous thing.~E:)-

[Guest guest]

Jidy:

Thanks for that story. Its crazy how we come across

these little tidbits.

~E:)

If you ever want to know EVERYTHING about

> your meds, go to the pharmacy and ask to the 'the

> book'. I do this every time I'm prescribed a new

> drug and then I shred 80% of them... Judy

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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Judy:

You are making me want to go get my blender!

~E:)

>

> It's thick and yummy and I just sip it while I read

> my mail... Judy

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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Topper:

I am always looking for the " tells " too.

I feel like I can pick them out a mile away.

I hear that Hillary Clinton has started taking

synthroid.

I'm sooooo sorrry that you still have so many

irks...about the thryoid stuff. I want you to become

so successful that you look at it all as a journey

that GOT you some place really good!

~E)

--- topper2@... wrote:

> She has said that she's had her thyroid checked..

> but did the docs know

> what they should be testing and what it should look

> like?

>

> She was looking a bit gaunt the last time I flicked

> by to watch some of

> the show.. .I'm kinda wondering if she'll get to a

> 'wider' phase again...

> I dunno... maybe it's me.. but I kinda see a cycle

> with her that reminds

> me of a mild hypo phase where she gets a little

> fuller and then a bit

> hyper where she gets a bit thinner... me thinks its

> the milder stages of

> long term Hashi's.. but I've never notice the neck

> fullness....

>

> I look too close at folks on TV now.. watching for

> the little 'tells' in

> them... watch the people around me like that too....

> I'm dangerous!

> hehehee

>

> You know what really irks me? The body builders that

> are chugging down

> the soy protein shakes and then popping the T3 and

> T2 hormones to get

> ripped for competition.... and then there is

> feeding babies soy

> formulas.... all the damage that can cause... I was

> a soy baby... I

> wonder how much that contributed to my end result?

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:37:41 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

> lyongillespie@...> writes:

> >

> > Topper:

> >

> > NO..did not know a canola oil is a soy oil.

> >

> > I did see oprah's show where she makes a soy shake

> for

> > herself and claim to do so every day.

> >

> > She already looks like she has a thyroid problem

> to

> > me...(and a few other little comments she has made

> > point in the direction)...so I do fear that she

> will

> > make others want to do the same dangerous thing.

> >

> > ~E:)

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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JACKIE:

LOL...

YES..it looks to me...(just me) that WE are killing

our thyroids and that makes us fat..THEN...we can't

lose the wieght..REGARDLESS or what we eat or don't

eat..or work out.

AND all that money they make carving off us...or

stapling stomaches!

I arrived to this thing as someone who couldn't gain a

pound to save her life...AND I ATE everything... IF I

did too much cardio, I would disappear, so now THAT I

blew up....and couldn't control it...I can't help but

blame the thyroid and not food or lack of excersize.

I hope that I lose the weight I have..and never have

to watch my diet again. If anything, I just want to

be the eater I used to be.

GOT to go now to get some buffalo wings into the oven.

YUM!

~E:)

--- Ken & Jackie Reimer quest4us@...>

wrote:

> It makes me think.... (there's a first, LOL) is

> society becoming

> obese from fast foods, or from fast foods that kill

> their thyroids?

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Topper:

> >

> > NO..did not know a canola oil is a soy oil.

> >

> > I did see oprah's show where she makes a soy shake

> for

> > herself and claim to do so every day.

> >

> > She already looks like she has a thyroid problem

> to

> > me...(and a few other little comments she has made

> > point in the direction)...so I do fear that she

> will

> > make others want to do the same dangerous thing.

> >

> > ~E:)

> > -

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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Yes! I used a blender for a while and now I have a "Magic Bullet" and I fill the cup and away I go. Yum... Judy

You are making me want to go get my blender!

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I love my Magic Bullet!!! .......one of my better purchases!..........Meleese xx

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From: Judy P

Yes! I used a blender for a while and now I have a "Magic Bullet" and I fill the cup and away I go. Yum... Judy

You are making me want to go get my blender!

[Guest guest]

VERY good question.

Soy in foods, HFCS in foods and beverages, Fluoride in water... all have a very direct affect on the thyroid and it's hormones.... Yet nothing is done about it.. there we roll back around to that phrase I saw when I first started researching thyroid.... 'Thyroid, the bread and butter disease'.... Because they can abuse us for decades, give us a gizzillion drugs to mask symptoms, while ignoring the thyroid hormones that are causing all the symptoms, blame it all on our laziness and depression..... and not quite kill us.... and by the time we die of from the cumulative damage they blame it on old age or our choice to not take care of ourselves.....

..... okay... off the soap box, pushing it into the corner... and getting back to watching 'House'...

Topper ()

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:13:50 -0800 Ken & Jackie Reimer writes:

It makes me think.... (there's a first, LOL) is society becoming obese from fast foods, or from fast foods that kill their thyroids?

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Each challenge surpassed is a step upward.. I've been taking a lot of

steps up.... I'm getting pretty high in altitude.... I've got to get to

the top one of these days... and for as many steps as I've taken.... I

either started un a sub sub sub sub basement... or I'm gonna end up on a

pretty tall hill with a pretty impressive view!!!

Topper ()

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:44:23 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

lyongillespie@...> writes:

> Topper:

>

> I am always looking for the " tells " too.

>

> I feel like I can pick them out a mile away.

>

> I hear that Hillary Clinton has started taking

> synthroid.

>

> I'm sooooo sorrry that you still have so many

> irks...about the thryoid stuff. I want you to become

> so successful that you look at it all as a journey

> that GOT you some place really good!

>

>

> ~E)

[Guest guest]

Having weight loss surgery would do nothing for me because I don't eat enough now for it to make a difference. I find the only thing that works for me, once I'm under 200 pounds, is cardio exercise every day and muscle toning 2-3 times each week. It really does boost the metabolism.

I've lost 18 pounds since joining Overeaters Anonymous in November and I'm more at peace with my new eating plan than I ever have been before. I listen to speaker tapes and today a woman who has been in the program for 22 years spoke dearly of three friends that she has lost in her life following the surgery.

I know two people who have had it and both have gained most of the weight back even though they can now eat no more than a few bites at a time. I've heard others speak about losing the weight, but never losing the desire to eat. I could not live like that every day, cravings something so badly and not being able to physically eat it. I'm at the point now, where I don't think about food all day until my tummy growls.

Overeating is in our heads, not in our stomach, so if we can fix our brain, then the weight just follows... Judy

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Well, here's to the view .

Re: soy Q's

Each challenge surpassed is a step upward.. I've been taking a lot ofsteps up.... I'm getting pretty high in altitude.... I've got to get tothe top one of these days... and for as many steps as I've taken.... Ieither started un a sub sub sub sub basement... or I'm gonna end up on apretty tall hill with a pretty impressive view!!!Topper ()On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:44:23 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie<lyongillespie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:> Topper:> > I am always looking for the "tells" too.> > I feel like I can pick them out a mile away.> > I hear that Hillary Clinton has started taking> synthroid.> > I'm sooooo sorrry that you still have so many> irks...about the thryoid stuff. I want you to become> so successful that you look at it all as a journey> that GOT you some place really good!> > > ~E)

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One of my 'open minded' psychologist friends said to my husband once, 'why are you overweight? what is it in the world that you feel you need to cushion yourself from?'... After that my husband really started examining his life and slowly changing for the better. Such a simple question.... so many answers .

Re: soy Q's

Having weight loss surgery would do nothing for me because I don't eat enough now for it to make a difference. I find the only thing that works for me, once I'm under 200 pounds, is cardio exercise every day and muscle toning 2-3 times each week. It really does boost the metabolism.

I've lost 18 pounds since joining Overeaters Anonymous in November and I'm more at peace with my new eating plan than I ever have been before. I listen to speaker tapes and today a woman who has been in the program for 22 years spoke dearly of three friends that she has lost in her life following the surgery.

I know two people who have had it and both have gained most of the weight back even though they can now eat no more than a few bites at a time. I've heard others speak about losing the weight, but never losing the desire to eat. I could not live like that every day, cravings something so badly and not being able to physically eat it. I'm at the point now, where I don't think about food all day until my tummy growls.

Overeating is in our heads, not in our stomach, so if we can fix our brain, then the weight just follows... Judy

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