Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Those who have HS EMT students..... A new thing about CBT - it wll not allow those under 18 to take the exam. This flies in the face of what has been going on for years that allowed 17 year-olds test, and receive their certs when they turn 18. Does anybody want a student in any other praogram to wait 3-6 months after the course ends to take their exam? What are other programs doing in response to this??? -MH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 I'm curious how many programs/individuals this affects. The problem is when they enter they DOB on the CBT application the computer recognizes they are not 18 so the computer will not allow them to register. I plan to address this with NR but I'm curious what you all think about this issue and how wide spread this problem is for your programs. I know if this program existed when I was a student it would have affected me because I didnt turn 18 until the September after I graduated from high school in May. Just curious what you all think. Maxie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Maxie- I have a program at Katy ISD which involves several campuses. My students all registered and paid approximately 2 weeks ago. The ones who are not yet 18 received a letter stating NR accepted their application and fees but their test would not " be graded " until they reach the age of 18. The wording is somewhat misleading since CBT is graded at the time. My interpretation is they are not allowed to test. I attempted to contact NR last week but never received a return call from certification. This greatly affects my program especially this school year due to the fact that in August the students were told as all classes in the past, they would be allowed to test but would not receive their grades prior to turning 18. I do not recall seeing anything from NR or being told during conversations with them regarding high school students that this would occur. We already have 4 campus programs scheduled for next school year with multiple classes on some campuses. My first high school class was in 1999 and since then, many of my students have obtained positions as EMT's both during and after college. I currently have some enrolling in paramedic courses as well. High school EMT classes are a great way to introduce our profession and assist with obtaining the much needed EMS personnel in Texas. Last year I had a 100% pass rate on NR testing from my high school class. These students take this very seriously and should not be penalized by having to wait until they reach 18 to take their test. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks-- Sam ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Wow, THAT is a proverbial 'you know what' in the punchbowl! Hudson wrote: Those who have HS EMT students..... A new thing about CBT - it wll not allow those under 18 to take the exam. This flies in the face of what has been going on for years that allowed 17 year-olds test, and receive their certs when they turn 18. Does anybody want a student in any other praogram to wait 3-6 months after the course ends to take their exam? What are other programs doing in response to this??? -MH " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Champion EMS teaches an EMT-Basic class at a local high school and some of the students are not 18 at the time of graduation. All of them are 18 by December of the graduating year. Education Manager Champion EMS Longview, Texas > I'm curious how many programs/individuals this affects. The problem is when > >they enter they DOB on the CBT application the computer recognizes they are > >not 18 so the computer will not allow them to register. I plan to address > >this with NR but I'm curious what you all think about this issue and how wide > >spread this problem is for your programs. I know if this program existed when > >I was a student it would have affected me because I didnt turn 18 until the > >September after I graduated from high school in May. > >Just curious what you all think. > >Maxie > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Maxie, This affects the program at our local high school. We've always had the students test, but those who weren't yet 18 had to wait for their results. This year, I have 3 who won't be 18 by the proposed test date of May 11. We've had previous issues on the test date versus graduation date when transitioning to NR. After much ado, we remedied this by testing mid-May. Those eligible to test will mark the NR application as high school graduates as I receive confirmation from the counselors that, even if they stopped attending school or failed remaining exams, they would still be graduates. I've alerted administration at the school about this dilemma and will await your response for a resolution. Susie Jechow, LP Del Rio Re: HS EMT Students I'm curious how many programs/individuals this affects. The problem is when they enter they DOB on the CBT application the computer recognizes they are not 18 so the computer will not allow them to register. I plan to address this with NR but I'm curious what you all think about this issue and how wide spread this problem is for your programs. I know if this program existed when I was a student it would have affected me because I didnt turn 18 until the September after I graduated from high school in May. Just curious what you all think. Maxie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 I think this is another problem that NR has to fix due to students taking the course while still in High School. Always before, they could apply and test but the test results were held until the candidate turns 18. I think they need to go back to that. Also, they have been jacking around with our foreign students. They used to assign a generic number for tracking purposes for an international student, not an American citizen, since some other countries recognize American certifications. We recently went round with them because they were refusing to allow an international student to test - blaming it on Pearson Veu and the CBT process that requires a Social Security number. Upon checking with Social Security, they state unequivically that requiring someone to register using their Social Security is AGAINST THE LAW as the number is designed for tax purposes ONLY, not for identification purposes. Sooooooo..... Jane Hill -------------- Original message from : -------------- > Champion EMS teaches an EMT-Basic class at a local high school and some of the > students are not 18 at the time of graduation. All of them are 18 by December > of > the graduating year. > > > Education Manager > Champion EMS > Longview, Texas > > > > I'm curious how many programs/individuals this affects. The > problem > is when > > > >they enter they DOB on the CBT application the computer recognizes they are > > > >not 18 so the computer will not allow them to register. I plan to address > > > >this with NR but I'm curious what you all think about this issue and how wide > > > >spread this problem is for your programs. I know if this program existed when > > > >I was a student it would have affected me because I didnt turn 18 until the > > > >September after I graduated from high school in May. > > > >Just curious what you all think. > > > >Maxie > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 We also have the same problem with several of our HS Hispanic students who's parents are not US citizens and can not get SSNs. They have State ID #s, which DSHS accepts, but NR does not. -MH ________________________________ From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of je.hill@... [je.hill@...] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:43 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: HS EMT Students I think this is another problem that NR has to fix due to students taking the course while still in High School. Always before, they could apply and test but the test results were held until the candidate turns 18. I think they need to go back to that. Also, they have been jacking around with our foreign students. They used to assign a generic number for tracking purposes for an international student, not an American citizen, since some other countries recognize American certifications. We recently went round with them because they were refusing to allow an international student to test - blaming it on Pearson Veu and the CBT process that requires a Social Security number. Upon checking with Social Security, they state unequivically that requiring someone to register using their Social Security is AGAINST THE LAW as the number is designed for tax purposes ONLY, not for identification purposes. Sooooooo..... Jane Hill -------------- Original message from <raaems605@...<mailto:raaems605%40nctv.com>>: -------------- > Champion EMS teaches an EMT-Basic class at a local high school and some of the > students are not 18 at the time of graduation. All of them are 18 by December > of > the graduating year. > > > Education Manager > Champion EMS > Longview, Texas > > > > I'm curious how many programs/individuals this affects. The > problem > is when > > > >they enter they DOB on the CBT application the computer recognizes they are > > > >not 18 so the computer will not allow them to register. I plan to address > > > >this with NR but I'm curious what you all think about this issue and how wide > > > >spread this problem is for your programs. I know if this program existed when > > > >I was a student it would have affected me because I didnt turn 18 until the > > > >September after I graduated from high school in May. > > > >Just curious what you all think. > > > >Maxie > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Just FYI in case NR gives you guys a runaround, I successfully got them to supply a number for my U.K. student based on the Social Security Administration ruling on the fact they NR is not allowed to require that. So play the hardball if you need it - they can't refuse to supply a generated number for student tracking for students who are not American citizens. Besides, they set a precedent for doing this PRIOR to going to CBT. The precedent for the High School students being able to test prior to 18 with grades being withheld until they were 18 was ALSO set prior to CBT, so they are breaking their own precedent. Jane Hill --------- Re: HS EMT Students I think this is another problem that NR has to fix due to students taking the course while still in High School. Always before, they could apply and test but the test results were held until the candidate turns 18. I think they need to go back to that. Also, they have been jacking around with our foreign students. They used to assign a generic number for tracking purposes for an international student, not an American citizen, since some other countries recognize American certifications. We recently went round with them because they were refusing to allow an international student to test - blaming it on Pearson Veu and the CBT process that requires a Social Security number. Upon checking with Social Security, they state unequivically that requiring someone to register using their Social Security is AGAINST THE LAW as the number is designed for tax purposes ONLY, not for identification purposes. Sooooooo..... Jane Hill -------------- Original message from <raaems605@...<mailto:raaems605%40nctv.com>>: -------------- > Champion EMS teaches an EMT-Basic class at a local high school and some of the > students are not 18 at the time of graduation. All of them are 18 by December > of > the graduating year. > > > Education Manager > Champion EMS > Longview, Texas > > > > I'm curious how many programs/individuals this affects. The > problem > is when > > > >they enter they DOB on the CBT application the computer recognizes they are > > > >not 18 so the computer will not allow them to register. I plan to address > > > >this with NR but I'm curious what you all think about this issue and how wide > > > >spread this problem is for your programs. I know if this program existed when > > > >I was a student it would have affected me because I didnt turn 18 until the > > > >September after I graduated from high school in May. > > > >Just curious what you all think. > > > >Maxie > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I spoke with Dr. Greg Margolis (I believe he stated his title as Associate Director) at NR today. Dr. Margolis has assured me that all students will be eligible to test regardless of whether they are 18 or not. The difference will be in the registration of the student online. When applying, students 18 and over should select ECA, EMT-B, etc. Students who are not yet 18 should select Assessment Test. Dr. Margolis stated that all students would take the same EMT-B CBT and receive their grades immediately. However, the ones under 18 would not be registered or certified until they turn 18, write the NR and enclose a copy of their driver's license proving their age. Also, if anyone has students under 18 who have already registered and paid, Dr. Margolis stated to send him the student's name and social security number. He will have them changed over to the Assessment Test. Sam ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nice work Sam. Very good information! -joe Re: HS EMT Students I spoke with Dr. Greg Margolis (I believe he stated his title as Associate Director) at NR today. Dr. Margolis has assured me that all students will be eligible to test regardless of whether they are 18 or not. The difference will be in the registration of the student online. When applying, students 18 and over should select ECA, EMT-B, etc. Students who are not yet 18 should select Assessment Test. Dr. Margolis stated that all students would take the same EMT-B CBT and receive their grades immediately. However, the ones under 18 would not be registered or certified until they turn 18, write the NR and enclose a copy of their driver's license proving their age. Also, if anyone has students under 18 who have already registered and paid, Dr. Margolis stated to send him the student's name and social security number. He will have them changed over to the Assessment Test. Sam ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 First let me say I appreciate all of your comments it has given me an idea of the problems you all are facing with the high school students and NR thats why I asked for your comment when Mike brought it to my attention. We are working with NR on the procedure and I hope to have them ironed out this week. The problem is when someone sign up for the assessment exam I have to verify they are eligible. I can do that for members taking the assessment exam as an option for recertification or reciprocity. Normally the coordinator will verify the course completions for initial students but if they sign up for the assessment exam then I will get an email to verify there completion an I don't have a way of doing that. You all may have to send me a roster of these student or these student may be required to submit a written application with the ccc attached or they can reprogram the computer. Nevertheless we are working on it with there computer folk to get a process working. Thanks again for your comments and I will let you know as soon as we get the process in order. Maxie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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