How much does folic acid affect us, or does it at all?

[Guest guest]

Hi gang... need to throw something out for you guys to take a look

at.....

Quite a while back it was suggested that my HUGE craving for peanut

butter and beans might be linked to a deficiency in folic acid.

With money tight I ran out of vitamins well over a year ago... the

multi's, so haven't even been taking those, forget about getting in extra

folic acid.

I got some money in this week and, finally, got a bottle of good multi's

and a bottle of folic acid. Yesterday was my first day taking them again.

Between the two I'm not on 800 (mcg?) per day. I've done some research on

this and have read that there are some folks that don't process it very

well and need to be on as much as 1200 to 1600 per day.

Well, I also have a problem with noise here and not being able to get to

sleep at night when it's time, often laying awake until the TVs get shut

off. This is something that goes on 10 months out of the year, my only

break from it is when the family leaves for winter vacation for 8 weeks

and I'm here alone.

The folks have been back for a couple of weeks and I'm back to getting

maybe 3 or 4 hours of sleep a night and then every five or six days, out

of sheer exhaustion collapsing and bed, sleeping wrong and too hard, but

sleeping closer to 6 or 7 hours and then waking up stiff and sore from

not sleeping comfortably.

My last 'collapse' night was Wednesday, so I wasn't due for another

collapse yet.

Last night.. the first night of the first day of being back on multis'

and with the extra folic acid.... I fell asleep with my own TV on, an

hour before MY bedtime and 3 1/2 hours before the TVs in the rest of the

house are usually turned off. I slept comfortably, I slept relaxed, I

slept well, I dreamed, I woke up at my regular time, without an alarm,

and woke up feeling really good.. .not tired, no hurts, no pains.

It's now four hours since I got up... and I've not, so far, had that 'I'm

still tired wish I could go back to bed and sleep for a week' feeling.

The questions are:

Is this just happenstance?

Is it the vitamins?

Is it the folic acid?

Have I gone deaf? Oh.. no.. I can hear the click of the keys as I type

and I have been listening to the TV as I've been working... hehehhee

Oh.... I also bought peanut butter... and had one peanut butter sandwich

last night... with a normal amount of peanut butter and not half the jar.

I have a hard time not just eating the whole jar when I open one... so

this is huge to have only dipped into the jar and now devoured it... so

there is some kind of a link here.

... and now I sit back to see what other eyes may see, and brains may

think, from other perspectives....

Topper ()

[Guest guest]

I read something about peanut butter cravings a while back, but I don't remember what the deficiency was. Magnesium is another that comes to mind. I found it interesting because my mother had a tablespoon of peanut butter in her mouth every night as she cooked dinner. She was often sucking on licorice candies too. It seems she knew something that she wasn't telling me lol... Judy

Quite a while back it was suggested that my HUGE craving for peanutbutter and beans might be linked to a deficiency in folic acid.

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[Guest guest]

I can tell if I am not getting whatever amount of sleep I need per night and if I skip my vitamins for a few days that I completely feel 'off'. I can't function well, I can't comprehend things well, I'm just a mess, but functional. I am certain that it is linked. Remember how the adrenal bit goes??.... good then crash.. good then crash? if your body isn't 'full' on its levels your multis are giving, it may do that for a while. I went off of my multis for about a week or so and felt that way going back on them initially.

It amazes me just how many people don't take multis. I can't understand why not because I know at least 1/2 of the population doesn't get enough nutrients out of their food alone.

It reminds me to of how I feel if I go on an allergic bender. I'll eat one or two foods that will have a 'hidden' allergen and before I know it, I'm craving things that I'm also allergic to, in order to make up the defficiency. When you have an allergy and eat said allergenic food, the nutrients your body needs go out the door with it and so you crave like foods.

Sometimes it's not even the food, sometimes it's a molecular strain or vitamin/mineral in the food that you may have an intolerance to. The way you felt with the burger... that is exactly how I feel when I do the above process. My body just moves fluidly then all of a sudden is hung up on the 'gunk' and isn't so well oiled anymore LOL. It takes about a week or more for my body to process and detox from 1 meal like that. This is why if I do eat out, I try to make sure it's something safe for me like a salad or baked chicken or fries. Which fries are THE worst, although for me, for whatever reason I do okay.

Do you also crave things like orange juice and other folic acid foods to?? Just curious...

How much does folic acid affect us, or does it at all?

Hi gang... need to throw something out for you guys to take a lookat.....Quite a while back it was suggested that my HUGE craving for peanutbutter and beans might be linked to a deficiency in folic acid. With money tight I ran out of vitamins well over a year ago... themulti's, so haven't even been taking those, forget about getting in extrafolic acid.I got some money in this week and, finally, got a bottle of good multi'sand a bottle of folic acid. Yesterday was my first day taking them again.Between the two I'm not on 800 (mcg?) per day. I've done some research onthis and have read that there are some folks that don't process it verywell and need to be on as much as 1200 to 1600 per day.Well, I also have a problem with noise here and not being able to get tosleep at night when it's time, often laying awake until the TVs get shutoff. This is something that goes on 10 months out of the year, my onlybreak from it is when the family leaves for winter vacation for 8 weeksand I'm here alone.The folks have been back for a couple of weeks and I'm back to gettingmaybe 3 or 4 hours of sleep a night and then every five or six days, outof sheer exhaustion collapsing and bed, sleeping wrong and too hard, butsleeping closer to 6 or 7 hours and then waking up stiff and sore fromnot sleeping comfortably.My last 'collapse' night was Wednesday, so I wasn't due for anothercollapse yet.Last night.. the first night of the first day of being back on multis'and with the extra folic acid.... I fell asleep with my own TV on, anhour before MY bedtime and 3 1/2 hours before the TVs in the rest of thehouse are usually turned off. I slept comfortably, I slept relaxed, Islept well, I dreamed, I woke up at my regular time, without an alarm,and woke up feeling really good.. .not tired, no hurts, no pains.It's now four hours since I got up... and I've not, so far, had that 'I'mstill tired wish I could go back to bed and sleep for a week' feeling.The questions are:Is this just happenstance?Is it the vitamins?Is it the folic acid?Have I gone deaf? Oh.. no.. I can hear the click of the keys as I typeand I have been listening to the TV as I've been working... hehehheeOh.... I also bought peanut butter... and had one peanut butter sandwichlast night... with a normal amount of peanut butter and not half the jar.I have a hard time not just eating the whole jar when I open one... sothis is huge to have only dipped into the jar and now devoured it... sothere is some kind of a link here... and now I sit back to see what other eyes may see, and brains maythink, from other perspectives....Topper ()

[Guest guest]

I've pasted some research which was published just a

few days ago, anyone with short term memory problems

should read it!

Folic acid boosts elderly brains

Folic acid supplements can improve the memory and

brain power of ageing brains, research shows.

Men and women aged 50 to 70 who took daily supplements

had similar mental abilities to contemporaries almost

five years younger, The Lancet study found.

But experts said this benefit must be balanced against

other risks - an increase in folic acid can mask a

vitamin B12 deficiency in older people.

This type of anaemia can cause serious health

problems, like nerve damage.

Further research is needed to try to reach a more

definitive answer on the benefits, or not, of folic

acid supplementation

Gordon Lishman of Age Concern

Indeed, the Food Standards Agency recently said this

risk should be taken into account should the UK want

to routinely add folic acid to foods such as bread as

a public health measure to prevent birth defects.

Currently only women planning to conceive are

currently advised to take folic acid.

Both folic acid and vitamin B12 are essential for good

health and good levels can be achieved by eating a

healthy, balanced diet.

Green vegetables are rich in folic acid, while B12 is

found in foods such as eggs and meat.

The findings

In the study, the Dutch researchers from the

University of Wageningen gave a group of 818

volunteers either low dose folic acid supplements or a

dummy drug for three years.

The folic acid group had significantly better memories

and were faster at processing information, the

researchers found.

Both abilities are known to decline with age, and loss

of performance in these areas has been linked to a

higher risk of dementia in the elderly.

Taking folic acid also led to a significant reduction

in levels of homocysteine, a blood chemical linked

both to heart disease and dementia.

Trials are under way to examine the effect of

homocysteine-lowering on blood vessel disease and

brain function.

The study authors, Dr Jane Durga, from the University

of Wageningen in the Netherlands and colleagues at the

Nestle Research Centre in Lausanne, Switzerland, said

their work should be repeated in other populations,

including people with dementia, to provide greater

insight into the clinical relevance of folic acid

supplementation.

Gordon Lishman of Age Concern said: " It is clear that

further research is needed to try to reach a more

definitive answer on the benefits, or not, of folic

acid supplementation and more generally the

introduction of folic acid into flour, which was

recently recommended by the Food Standards Agency.

Only this will enable more informed choices to be

made. "

Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/health/6278117.stm

Published: 2007/01/19 10:23:53 GMT

© BBC MMVII

--- topper2@... wrote:

> Hi gang... need to throw something out for you guys

> to take a look

> at.....

>

> Quite a while back it was suggested that my HUGE

> craving for peanut

> butter and beans might be linked to a deficiency in

> folic acid.

>

> With money tight I ran out of vitamins well over a

> year ago... the

> multi's, so haven't even been taking those, forget

> about getting in extra

> folic acid.

>

> I got some money in this week and, finally, got a

> bottle of good multi's

> and a bottle of folic acid. Yesterday was my first

> day taking them again.

>

> Between the two I'm not on 800 (mcg?) per day. I've

> done some research on

> this and have read that there are some folks that

> don't process it very

> well and need to be on as much as 1200 to 1600 per

> day.

>

> Well, I also have a problem with noise here and not

> being able to get to

> sleep at night when it's time, often laying awake

> until the TVs get shut

> off. This is something that goes on 10 months out of

> the year, my only

> break from it is when the family leaves for winter

> vacation for 8 weeks

> and I'm here alone.

>

> The folks have been back for a couple of weeks and

> I'm back to getting

> maybe 3 or 4 hours of sleep a night and then every

> five or six days, out

> of sheer exhaustion collapsing and bed, sleeping

> wrong and too hard, but

> sleeping closer to 6 or 7 hours and then waking up

> stiff and sore from

> not sleeping comfortably.

>

> My last 'collapse' night was Wednesday, so I wasn't

> due for another

> collapse yet.

>

> Last night.. the first night of the first day of

> being back on multis'

> and with the extra folic acid.... I fell asleep with

> my own TV on, an

> hour before MY bedtime and 3 1/2 hours before the

> TVs in the rest of the

> house are usually turned off. I slept comfortably, I

> slept relaxed, I

> slept well, I dreamed, I woke up at my regular time,

> without an alarm,

> and woke up feeling really good.. .not tired, no

> hurts, no pains.

>

> It's now four hours since I got up... and I've not,

> so far, had that 'I'm

> still tired wish I could go back to bed and sleep

> for a week' feeling.

>

> The questions are:

> Is this just happenstance?

> Is it the vitamins?

> Is it the folic acid?

> Have I gone deaf? Oh.. no.. I can hear the click of

> the keys as I type

> and I have been listening to the TV as I've been

> working... hehehhee

>

> Oh.... I also bought peanut butter... and had one

> peanut butter sandwich

> last night... with a normal amount of peanut butter

> and not half the jar.

> I have a hard time not just eating the whole jar

> when I open one... so

> this is huge to have only dipped into the jar and

> now devoured it... so

> there is some kind of a link here.

>

> .. and now I sit back to see what other eyes may

> see, and brains may

> think, from other perspectives....

>

> Topper ()

>

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[Guest guest]

I crave meat, I'm a carnivorous type and can't afford to eat it daily, which really messes me up.... but the only thing that I consistently have control issues with are beans and nuts. Peanut butter. I can even pass up chocolate for peanut butter... but if I can add them together, then I'm happy.

I'm still doing good today.. I'm rather looking forward to tonight to see what happens with sleeping...

I haven't emptied that peanut butter jar yet either.. and when I had kitchen time I went and made some scrambled egg sandwiches.... leaving the peanut butter jar alone.. that is pretty amazing in itself.. a week a go I would have grilled some bread and slathered it with the peanut butter.

Topper ()

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:17:31 -0500 " Teague" writes:

I can tell if I am not getting whatever amount of sleep I need per night and if I skip my vitamins for a few days that I completely feel 'off'. I can't function well, I can't comprehend things well, I'm just a mess, but functional. I am certain that it is linked. Remember how the adrenal bit goes??.... good then crash.. good then crash? if your body isn't 'full' on its levels your multis are giving, it may do that for a while. I went off of my multis for about a week or so and felt that way going back on them initially.

It amazes me just how many people don't take multis. I can't understand why not because I know at least 1/2 of the population doesn't get enough nutrients out of their food alone.

It reminds me to of how I feel if I go on an allergic bender. I'll eat one or two foods that will have a 'hidden' allergen and before I know it, I'm craving things that I'm also allergic to, in order to make up the deficiency. When you have an allergy and eat said allergenic food, the nutrients your body needs go out the door with it and so you crave like foods.

Sometimes it's not even the food, sometimes it's a molecular strain or vitamin/mineral in the food that you may have an intolerance to. The way you felt with the burger... that is exactly how I feel when I do the above process. My body just moves fluidly then all of a sudden is hung up on the 'gunk' and isn't so well oiled anymore LOL. It takes about a week or more for my body to process and detox from 1 meal like that. This is why if I do eat out, I try to make sure it's something safe for me like a salad or baked chicken or fries. Which fries are THE worst, although for me, for whatever reason I do okay.

Do you also crave things like orange juice and other folic acid foods to?? Just curious...

[Guest guest]

Thanks ...

Good info to know...

I've been on a B-12 supplement daily for geez... when did I buy that

stash.... August '05? and still have another bottle left... so I should

be good there... assuming that my body is processing it.

I don't get much for the green leafy stuff... fresh food is pretty rare

for me... all has to do with finances... gots to make do with what you

can afford when money is tight.

Since I bought the vitamin E, vitamin C and selenium in bulk I've been

able to maintain those... it was the multi's and the B complex that I ran

out of... .and then the thyroid hormone itself.

Topper ()

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:22:45 -0800 (PST)

knodgery@...> writes:

> I've pasted some research which was published just a

> few days ago, anyone with short term memory problems

> should read it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Peanut butter also has plenty of calcium and magnesium to it. Can't say for

sure, as you need blood work on all these things, Topper, but peanut butter

is a very powerpacked food, if you're not allergic to the peanuts (that's

one of the most common food allergens for allergic people, but not one of

mine). Also, remember, you're starting to come back up in your thyroid

hormones. I remember when you said that you were sleeping well all the

time, but this was when you were more " proper " with your thyroid hormones

AND the adrenal supps.

How much does folic acid affect us, or

does it at all?

> Hi gang... need to throw something out for you guys to take a look

> at.....

>

> Quite a while back it was suggested that my HUGE craving for peanut

> butter and beans might be linked to a deficiency in folic acid.

>

> With money tight I ran out of vitamins well over a year ago... the

> multi's, so haven't even been taking those, forget about getting in extra

> folic acid.

>

> I got some money in this week and, finally, got a bottle of good multi's

> and a bottle of folic acid. Yesterday was my first day taking them again.

>

> Between the two I'm not on 800 (mcg?) per day. I've done some research on

> this and have read that there are some folks that don't process it very

> well and need to be on as much as 1200 to 1600 per day.

>

> Well, I also have a problem with noise here and not being able to get to

> sleep at night when it's time, often laying awake until the TVs get shut

> off. This is something that goes on 10 months out of the year, my only

> break from it is when the family leaves for winter vacation for 8 weeks

> and I'm here alone.

>

> The folks have been back for a couple of weeks and I'm back to getting

> maybe 3 or 4 hours of sleep a night and then every five or six days, out

> of sheer exhaustion collapsing and bed, sleeping wrong and too hard, but

> sleeping closer to 6 or 7 hours and then waking up stiff and sore from

> not sleeping comfortably.

>

> My last 'collapse' night was Wednesday, so I wasn't due for another

> collapse yet.

>

> Last night.. the first night of the first day of being back on multis'

> and with the extra folic acid.... I fell asleep with my own TV on, an

> hour before MY bedtime and 3 1/2 hours before the TVs in the rest of the

> house are usually turned off. I slept comfortably, I slept relaxed, I

> slept well, I dreamed, I woke up at my regular time, without an alarm,

> and woke up feeling really good.. .not tired, no hurts, no pains.

>

> It's now four hours since I got up... and I've not, so far, had that 'I'm

> still tired wish I could go back to bed and sleep for a week' feeling.

>

> The questions are:

> Is this just happenstance?

> Is it the vitamins?

> Is it the folic acid?

> Have I gone deaf? Oh.. no.. I can hear the click of the keys as I type

> and I have been listening to the TV as I've been working... hehehhee

>

> Oh.... I also bought peanut butter... and had one peanut butter sandwich

> last night... with a normal amount of peanut butter and not half the jar.

> I have a hard time not just eating the whole jar when I open one... so

> this is huge to have only dipped into the jar and now devoured it... so

> there is some kind of a link here.

>

> .. and now I sit back to see what other eyes may see, and brains may

> think, from other perspectives....

>

> Topper ()

[Guest guest]

>Do you also crave things like orange juice and other folic acid foods to?? Just curious...

Ya know what just gets me? I HAD a folic acid deficiency, proven by lab and the way I felt, and I'm not so sure that this is not still there SOMEtimes yet, but I absolutely abhor orange juice, exCEPT when it's an actual orange. ANY orange juice off the shelf gives me a case of heart burn that makes me want to barf. I'm just thinking it's processing or something. It's not because it's acidic, as tomatoes and the like don't do me that way, and it's almost like my body CRAVES an acidic diet ALL the time, yet I just can't stomach orange juice any more.

[Guest guest]

Let me do my 2 cents worth once again...lol....If you are eating peanut butter once again PLEASE eat the REAL stuff, not jiffy or any of the other chemical laced stuff !!! Real is the kind that the oil separates from the "meat" & you have to stir it up. & the label will say ingrediants: PEANUTS , not hydroginated blah blah, sugar, blah blah

Cindy Sue

>> Peanut butter also has plenty of calcium and magnesium to it. Can't say for > sure, as you need blood work on all these things, Topper, but peanut butter > is a very powerpacked food, if you're not allergic to the peanuts (that's > one of the most common food allergens for allergic people, but not one of > mine). Also, remember, you're starting to come back up in your thyroid > hormones. I remember when you said that you were sleeping well all the > time, but this was when you were more "proper" with your thyroid hormones > AND the adrenal supps.> > >

[Guest guest]

Have you tried low acid? I used to have the same problem. Cranberry juice and grapefruit juice do it to. Ideas??

Re: How much does folic acid affect us, or does it at all?

>Do you also crave things like orange juice and other folic acid foods to?? Just curious...

Ya know what just gets me? I HAD a folic acid deficiency, proven by lab and the way I felt, and I'm not so sure that this is not still there SOMEtimes yet, but I absolutely abhor orange juice, exCEPT when it's an actual orange. ANY orange juice off the shelf gives me a case of heart burn that makes me want to barf. I'm just thinking it's processing or something. It's not because it's acidic, as tomatoes and the like don't do me that way, and it's almost like my body CRAVES an acidic diet ALL the time, yet I just can't stomach orange juice any more.

[Guest guest]

almond butter and cashew butter is good to for people that are allergic to peanuts as peanuts are legumes and not actual nuts. i'm allergic to mixed beans although I'm not sure about peanuts. I think I have a problem more with the mildew that can collect on the nut shells. but then again, I would LOL. you know that saying about allergies, 'when in doubt... avoid like the plague' LOL.

Re: How much does folic acid affect us, or does it at all?

Let me do my 2 cents worth once again...lol....If you are eating peanut butter once again PLEASE eat the REAL stuff, not jiffy or any of the other chemical laced stuff !!! Real is the kind that the oil separates from the "meat" & you have to stir it up. & the label will say ingrediants: PEANUTS , not hydroginated blah blah, sugar, blah blah

Cindy Sue

>> Peanut butter also has plenty of calcium and magnesium to it. Can't say for > sure, as you need blood work on all these things, Topper, but peanut butter > is a very powerpacked food, if you're not allergic to the peanuts (that's > one of the most common food allergens for allergic people, but not one of > mine). Also, remember, you're starting to come back up in your thyroid > hormones. I remember when you said that you were sleeping well all the > time, but this was when you were more "proper" with your thyroid hormones > AND the adrenal supps.> > >

[Guest guest]

Peanut butter is a pretty good food. I agree there, it's just always

weirded me out when I have this incredible NEED to not stop til the jar

is empty.

So.... the second day has completed... I went to bed last night and did

my hour of TV, stretch and massage (for lymph) and dosed right off..... I

was out about 20 minutes when it was determined that there was something

in need of banging in the kitchen and that woke me up.... I was NOT

happy.

I decided to get up and go to bathroom, just to break up the " I'm really

pissed " train of thought.... then went back to bed. I fell asleep before

I was frustrated enough to roll over and see what time it was.

Slept through the night.

Woke up this morning without a clogged nose.

How profound was that? Well, so profound that my first thoughts didn't

have anything to do with timing, tired, clock, noise.. it was DEEP BREATH

I can breathe through both nostrils!!!

Interesting.

Wish I knew which nutrient(s), if any, has affected this...

One of those things that I would LOVE to do some day.... a hair analysis

and compare that to my journal....

See how that chemical trail relates to life observations...

I'm at the point where I want to push up my dosage increase.... but I

know better, learned that lesson the hard way.... so I'll wait... do it

right... and get 'there' faster.

Topper ()

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:48:54 -0600 " " marin@...> writes:

> Peanut butter also has plenty of calcium and magnesium to it. Can't

> say for

> sure, as you need blood work on all these things, Topper, but peanut

> butter

> is a very powerpacked food, if you're not allergic to the peanuts

> (that's

> one of the most common food allergens for allergic people, but not

> one of

> mine). Also, remember, you're starting to come back up in your

> thyroid

> hormones. I remember when you said that you were sleeping well all

> the

> time, but this was when you were more " proper " with your thyroid

> hormones

> AND the adrenal supps.

>

>

[Guest guest]

If money were no option I wouldn't be doing peanut butter, of any kind.. I'd be doing nuts, probably in the shell...

Topper ()

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:28:35 -0000 "Cindy" writes:

Let me do my 2 cents worth once again...lol....If you are eating peanut butter once again PLEASE eat the REAL stuff, not jiffy or any of the other chemical laced stuff !!! Real is the kind that the oil separates from the "meat" & you have to stir it up. & the label will say ingrediants: PEANUTS , not hydroginated blah blah, sugar, blah blah

Cindy Sue

[Guest guest]

Topper, Congrats on the clear breathing, if you figure out the nutrient connection, I'd love to hear it :)A lymph stretch and massage? Is that on DVD?I'm going to assume you live with others that aren't very considerate???  I had a friend and her three kids stay with me for 3 weeks last year,we haven't spoken since. Was never really sure if it was my sensitive hypo self, or them.  Seems like we all have a set of our own courtesy rules. It's nice when we find people that hold the same ones, doesn't work so well they don't :(Have you ever made your own peanut butter?  Then it will be fresh, yummy and only in small batches ))))  You can make peanut butter, cashew butter almond butter....Glad your feeling well today.JackiePeanut butter is a pretty good food. I agree there, it's just alwaysweirded me out when I have this incredible NEED to not stop til the jaris empty.So.... the second day has completed... I went to bed last night and didmy hour of TV, stretch and massage (for lymph) and dosed right off..... Iwas out about 20 minutes when it was determined that there was somethingin need of banging in the kitchen and that woke me up.... I was NOThappy.I decided to get up and go to bathroom, just to break up the "I'm reallypissed" train of thought.... then went back to bed. I fell asleep beforeI was frustrated enough to roll over and see what time it was.Slept through the night.Woke up this morning without a clogged nose.How profound was that? Well, so profound that my first thoughts didn'thave anything to do with timing, tired, clock, noise.. it was DEEP BREATHI can breathe through both nostrils!!!Interesting. Wish I knew which nutrient(s), if any, has affected this... One of those things that I would LOVE to do some day.... a hair analysisand compare that to my journal.... See how that chemical trail relates to life observations... I'm at the point where I want to push up my dosage increase.... but Iknow better, learned that lesson the hard way.... so I'll wait... do itright... and get 'there' faster.Topper (). 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie,

Do you have recipes for all these butters ? I'd love to try them. I adore

peanut butter but it's hard to come by over here - and expensive ! Now, if I

could make my own... slurp lol

Lili

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: Re: How much does folic acid affect

>us, or does it at all?

>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:27:42 -0800

>

>Topper,

>

>Congrats on the clear breathing, if you figure out the nutrient

>connection, I'd love to hear it

>

>A lymph stretch and massage? Is that on DVD?

>

>I'm going to assume you live with others that aren't very considerate???

>I had a friend and her three kids stay with me for 3 weeks last year,

>we haven't spoken since. Was never really sure if it was my sensitive hypo

>self, or them. Seems like we all have a set of our own courtesy rules.

>It's nice when we find people that hold the same ones, doesn't work so

>well they don't

>

>Have you ever made your own peanut butter? Then it will be fresh, yummy

>and only in small batches )))) You can make peanut butter, cashew

>butter almond butter....

>

>Glad your feeling well today.

>

>Jackie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>Peanut butter is a pretty good food. I agree there, it's just always

>>weirded me out when I have this incredible NEED to not stop til the jar

>>is empty.

>>

>>So.... the second day has completed... I went to bed last night and did

>>my hour of TV, stretch and massage (for lymph) and dosed right off..... I

>>was out about 20 minutes when it was determined that there was something

>>in need of banging in the kitchen and that woke me up.... I was NOT

>>happy.

>>

>>I decided to get up and go to bathroom, just to break up the " I'm really

>>pissed " train of thought.... then went back to bed. I fell asleep before

>>I was frustrated enough to roll over and see what time it was.

>>

>>Slept through the night.

>>

>>Woke up this morning without a clogged nose.

>>

>>How profound was that? Well, so profound that my first thoughts didn't

>>have anything to do with timing, tired, clock, noise.. it was DEEP BREATH

>>I can breathe through both nostrils!!!

>>

>>Interesting.

>>

>>Wish I knew which nutrient(s), if any, has affected this...

>>

>>One of those things that I would LOVE to do some day.... a hair analysis

>>and compare that to my journal....

>>

>>See how that chemical trail relates to life observations...

>>

>>I'm at the point where I want to push up my dosage increase.... but I

>>know better, learned that lesson the hard way.... so I'll wait... do it

>>right... and get 'there' faster.

>>

>>Topper ()

>>

>>.

>>

>

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Hi Lili,I'm one of those cooks who don't use measuring spoons and wing it most the time, so i don't have any recipes. I'm sure if you put "peanut butter recipe" into your search engine you would find some. I have a rather high powered (albeit old) Vita Mix, and it really mashes things up well.  If your using a regular blender, just put the nuts in, cashews are a soft nut, so easier to mash up. I like to add a little honey and you can also add a little oil. Take it slowly, don't burn out your blender motor.  If your feeling adventurous add some cinnamon or any other spices you think might go well. If you make a little too much just refrigerate the leftovers. I'd love to hear what you come up with.In good health, JackieHi Jackie,Do you have recipes for all these butters ? I'd love to try them. I adore peanut butter but it's hard to come by over here - and expensive ! Now, if I could make my own... slurp lolLili

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Lili, this article was interesting.  I guess you should use a food processor :)Make your own nut butters By Sylvia Gist When almond butter replaced peanut butter in my diet (on doctor’s orders), I discovered I really liked the almond better. And it opened my eyes to the world of “other” nut butters. I also discovered they were quite expensive. I was lucky if I found a 10 ounce jar of almond butter for less than $4.00, a luxury compared to even the 100% natural peanut butter. So I did some experimenting and came up with my own recipe for almond butter that satisfied me. The same process can be used for other nuts.To make almond butter, I use a cookie sheet or jelly roll pan to dry roast the nuts since I prefer them roasted. I also use my food processor. I have used a blender, but it took longer, required more scraping the nuts off the sides, and I had to add more oil to get a decent butter. A rubber spatula and a jar to store the butter in complete the required equipment.Ingredients are simply a couple cups of the desired nuts and a little bit of olive oil. I buy larger bags of raw almonds, throw them in the freezer, and take them out as I need them. I prefer to start with raw nuts and do my own roasting. That way, I get freshly roasted nuts with nothing added. If I need to add oil, I prefer to use extra virgin olive oil.The actual process of making the butter is not difficult. I put two cups of nuts on the baking sheet and pop them into a preheated oven to roast at 350 degrees, leave them there for several minutes, then remove the pan and stir. I return the pan to the oven and roast for a few minutes more, watching the color of the nuts, striving for a toasted, but not burnt, look. How long before the nuts burn? That depends upon the oven and the pan. My Air-bake pan requires a longer time than a thin baking sheet. The thin sheet can take 8 minutes or less. Just watch the nuts the first time to get an idea how long they need to bake in your oven with your pan. Once you make a batch of burnt almond butter, you will be motivated to watch the time.After toasting the nuts, I allow them to cool before dumping them into the processor. Since my food processor has just one speed, I flip the switch and watch the nuts bang wildly and loudly against the sides of the container. Gradually they get chopped up finer and finer. If particles build up on the sides of the container, stop and scrape them down with a rubber spatula. Continue processing until it begins to ball up. You may have to break up the ball, but it is most important to be patient. Sometimes the ball will bang around for a while before it begins to break down and look creamy. It takes several minutes.It is during this time when it is balled up that I add some oil. I will add a teaspoon of oil and run the processor some more. If the butter is creamy enough without it, I omit the oil. I have never added more than 3 teaspoons of oil to the 2 cups of nuts. It is important to be patient and give the processor a chance to make the butter. Toward the end, more oil can be added if you like it creamier. If chunky style is desired, just roast a few extra nuts, chop, and stir into the finished butter.While it is possible to make peanut butter in this same manner, I don’t bother, because I can buy excellent peanut butter at a reasonable price. There are so many other possibilities for nut butters. Below are some notes about different ones that I have tried.Almond butter. Since almonds are more reasonably priced and easier to digest, I make this type of butter more frequently than any of the others. Raw almond butter can be found in the health food stores and some people prefer the raw kind. You simply process the nuts without roasting. Two cups of raw almonds, processed with a minimum of oil, will fill a 10 ounce jar. If you are roasting them, throw a few extra nuts on the baking sheet for a warm snack when you take the pan out of the oven. They are quite tasty.Cashew butter. Cashews are more expensive (where I shop), so I buy the least expensive raw white pieces and roast them. They brown much faster than almonds (hardly seven minutes on the Air-bake pan), so be vigilant or they burn and taste terrible. Cashews are softer than almonds and grind up quicker too. While cashew butter can be made without oil, it is fairly dry, so add some oil for a creamy smooth butter. This butter tastes more like peanut butter than any of the others I’ve made, but yet slightly different.Raw pecan butter. Raw pecan butter is the easiest to make. No roasting. Pecans are soft so they process quickly and make a very smooth butter.Hazelnut butter. Hazelnut butter is available at health food stores, so I tried to make some. Unfortunately, I roasted them a tad too much and the butter had a twangy taste. Since hazelnuts are quite expensive, I haven’t tried it again.Since I add no preservatives, these nut butters can become rancid. I always store mine in the refrigerator and try to use them up within a month or so.Each of the nut butters tastes a bit different, so each can be used differently. I like the almond butter on a sandwich with apple butter or jam. Some are best on a cracker of one kind or another. I eat whole grain rye crackers, which always taste better with some kind of nut butter. Any of these improve the taste of a rice cake, too. One of my cookbooks uses these odd nut butters quite a lot; they seem to work well in cookies and quick breads.If you like experimenting, check a health food store for their variety of nut butters, buy the appropriate nuts, roast (or not), and make the butter yourself. It isn’t hard.Hi Jackie,Do you have recipes for all these butters ? I'd love to try them. I adore peanut butter but it's hard to come by over here - and expensive ! Now, if I could make my own... slurp lolLili. 

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Thank you, Jackie, I had no idea it was so easy ! lol

Lili

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: Re: How much does folic acid affect

>us, or does it at all?

>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:49:22 -0800

>

>Lili, this article was interesting. I guess you should use a food

>processor

>

>Make your own nut butters

>

>

>

>By Sylvia Gist

>

>

>

>When almond butter replaced peanut butter in my diet (on doctor’s orders),

>I discovered I really liked the almond better. And it opened my eyes to

>the world of “other” nut butters. I also discovered they were quite

>expensive. I was lucky if I found a 10 ounce jar of almond butter for less

>than $4.00, a luxury compared to even the 100% natural peanut butter. So I

>did some experimenting and came up with my own recipe for almond butter

>that satisfied me. The same process can be used for other nuts.

>

>To make almond butter, I use a cookie sheet or jelly roll pan to dry roast

>the nuts since I prefer them roasted. I also use my food processor. I have

>used a blender, but it took longer, required more scraping the nuts off

>the sides, and I had to add more oil to get a decent butter. A rubber

>spatula and a jar to store the butter in complete the required equipment.

>

>Ingredients are simply a couple cups of the desired nuts and a little bit

>of olive oil. I buy larger bags of raw almonds, throw them in the freezer,

>and take them out as I need them. I prefer to start with raw nuts and do

>my own roasting. That way, I get freshly roasted nuts with nothing added.

>If I need to add oil, I prefer to use extra virgin olive oil.

>

>

>The actual process of making the butter is not difficult. I put two cups

>of nuts on the baking sheet and pop them into a preheated oven to roast at

>350 degrees, leave them there for several minutes, then remove the pan and

>stir. I return the pan to the oven and roast for a few minutes more,

>watching the color of the nuts, striving for a toasted, but not burnt,

>look. How long before the nuts burn? That depends upon the oven and the

>pan. My Air-bake pan requires a longer time than a thin baking sheet. The

>thin sheet can take 8 minutes or less. Just watch the nuts the first time

>to get an idea how long they need to bake in your oven with your pan. Once

>you make a batch of burnt almond butter, you will be motivated to watch

>the time.

>

>After toasting the nuts, I allow them to cool before dumping them into the

>processor. Since my food processor has just one speed, I flip the switch

>and watch the nuts bang wildly and loudly against the sides of the

>container. Gradually they get chopped up finer and finer. If particles

>build up on the sides of the container, stop and scrape them down with a

>rubber spatula. Continue processing until it begins to ball up. You may

>have to break up the ball, but it is most important to be patient.

>Sometimes the ball will bang around for a while before it begins to break

>down and look creamy. It takes several minutes.

>

>It is during this time when it is balled up that I add some oil. I will

>add a teaspoon of oil and run the processor some more. If the butter is

>creamy enough without it, I omit the oil. I have never added more than 3

>teaspoons of oil to the 2 cups of nuts. It is important to be patient and

>give the processor a chance to make the butter. Toward the end, more oil

>can be added if you like it creamier. If chunky style is desired, just

>roast a few extra nuts, chop, and stir into the finished butter.

>

>While it is possible to make peanut butter in this same manner, I don’t

>bother, because I can buy excellent peanut butter at a reasonable price.

>There are so many other possibilities for nut butters. Below are some

>notes about different ones that I have tried.

>

>Almond butter. Since almonds are more reasonably priced and easier to

>digest, I make this type of butter more frequently than any of the others.

>Raw almond butter can be found in the health food stores and some people

>prefer the raw kind. You simply process the nuts without roasting. Two

>cups of raw almonds, processed with a minimum of oil, will fill a 10 ounce

>jar. If you are roasting them, throw a few extra nuts on the baking sheet

>for a warm snack when you take the pan out of the oven. They are quite

>tasty.

>

>

>Cashew butter. Cashews are more expensive (where I shop), so I buy the

>least expensive raw white pieces and roast them. They brown much faster

>than almonds (hardly seven minutes on the Air-bake pan), so be vigilant or

>they burn and taste terrible. Cashews are softer than almonds and grind up

>quicker too. While cashew butter can be made without oil, it is fairly

>dry, so add some oil for a creamy smooth butter. This butter tastes more

>like peanut butter than any of the others I’ve made, but yet slightly

>different.

>

>Raw pecan butter. Raw pecan butter is the easiest to make. No roasting.

>Pecans are soft so they process quickly and make a very smooth butter.

>

>Hazelnut butter. Hazelnut butter is available at health food stores, so I

>tried to make some. Unfortunately, I roasted them a tad too much and the

>butter had a twangy taste. Since hazelnuts are quite expensive, I haven’t

>tried it again.

>

>Since I add no preservatives, these nut butters can become rancid. I

>always store mine in the refrigerator and try to use them up within a

>month or so.

>

>Each of the nut butters tastes a bit different, so each can be used

>differently. I like the almond butter on a sandwich with apple butter or

>jam. Some are best on a cracker of one kind or another. I eat whole grain

>rye crackers, which always taste better with some kind of nut butter. Any

>of these improve the taste of a rice cake, too. One of my cookbooks uses

>these odd nut butters quite a lot; they seem to work well in cookies and

>quick breads.

>

>If you like experimenting, check a health food store for their variety of

>nut butters, buy the appropriate nuts, roast (or not), and make the butter

>yourself. It isn’t hard.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>Hi Jackie,

>>

>>Do you have recipes for all these butters ? I'd love to try them. I adore

>>peanut butter but it's hard to come by over here - and expensive ! Now,

>>if I

>>could make my own... slurp lol

>>

>>Lili

>>

>>.

>>

>>

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>

>

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Am I bouncing again? Or is it slow on here today?JackieHi Jackie,Do you have recipes for all these butters ? I'd love to try them. I adore peanut butter but it's hard to come by over here - and expensive ! Now, if I could make my own... slurp lolLili>From: Ken & Jackie Reimer <quest4us (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Re: How much does folic acid affect >us, or does it at all?>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:27:42 -0800>>Topper,>>Congrats on the clear breathing, if you figure out the nutrient >connection, I'd love to hear it >>A lymph stretch and massage? Is that on DVD?>>I'm going to assume you live with others that aren't very considerate??? >I had a friend and her three kids stay with me for 3 weeks last year,>we haven't spoken since. Was never really sure if it was my sensitive hypo >self, or them. Seems like we all have a set of our own courtesy rules. >It's nice when we find people that hold the same ones, doesn't work so >well they don't >>Have you ever made your own peanut butter? Then it will be fresh, yummy >and only in small batches )))) You can make peanut butter, cashew >butter almond butter....>>Glad your feeling well today.>>Jackie>>>>>>On Jan 22, 2007, at 4:16 AM, topper2 (AT) juno (DOT) com wrote:>>>Peanut butter is a pretty good food. I agree there, it's just always>>weirded me out when I have this incredible NEED to not stop til the jar>>is empty.>>>>So.... the second day has completed... I went to bed last night and did>>my hour of TV, stretch and massage (for lymph) and dosed right off..... I>>was out about 20 minutes when it was determined that there was something>>in need of banging in the kitchen and that woke me up.... I was NOT>>happy.>>>>I decided to get up and go to bathroom, just to break up the "I'm really>>pissed" train of thought.... then went back to bed. I fell asleep before>>I was frustrated enough to roll over and see what time it was.>>>>Slept through the night.>>>>Woke up this morning without a clogged nose.>>>>How profound was that? Well, so profound that my first thoughts didn't>>have anything to do with timing, tired, clock, noise.. it was DEEP BREATH>>I can breathe through both nostrils!!!>>>>Interesting.>>>>Wish I knew which nutrient(s), if any, has affected this...>>>>One of those things that I would LOVE to do some day.... a hair analysis>>and compare that to my journal....>>>>See how that chemical trail relates to life observations...>>>>I'm at the point where I want to push up my dosage increase.... but I>>know better, learned that lesson the hard way.... so I'll wait... do it>>right... and get 'there' faster.>>>>Topper ()>>>>.>>>__________________________________________________________Avec Windows Live OneCare éliminez tous les virus de votre PC ! http://www.windowslive.fr/liveonecare/default.asp www.jordanreimer.comSupport My Music....Jordan Reimer Music

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I have noticed in the health food stores here, curry is often used to coat toasted cashews. Maybe one day I'll be adventurous and try some .

Re: How much does folic acid affect us, or does it at all?

Hi Lili,

I'm one of those cooks who don't use measuring spoons and wing it most the time, so i don't have any recipes. I'm sure if you

put "peanut butter recipe" into your search engine you would find some.

I have a rather high powered (albeit old) Vita Mix, and it really mashes things up well. If your using a regular blender, just put the nuts in, cashews are a soft nut, so easier to mash up.

I like to add a little honey and you can also add a little oil. Take it slowly, don't burn out your blender motor. If your feeling adventurous add some cinnamon or any other spices you think might go well.

If you make a little too much just refrigerate the leftovers.

I'd love to hear what you come up with.

In good health, Jackie

Hi Jackie,Do you have recipes for all these butters ? I'd love to try them. I adore peanut butter but it's hard to come by over here - and expensive ! Now, if I could make my own... slurp lolLili

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If I remember right, you need less oil if you use the nuts raw.When you roast them you lose some of the nutritional value.