Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost immediately they took her off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to normal. This is very drastic measure but for some its the answer. Alice Click here: The Liver Detoxification Pathways I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Yes, Alice - for some - and I'd say that would be VERY few - it's a valid answer and is what is necessary in order to address health complications. I do feel, however, that there is a lot of hype that this is the panacea for weight loss - and is just isn't! I'm glad your sis-in-law has been able to improve her health. C Re: gastric bypass My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost immediately they took her off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to normal. This is very drastic measure but for some its the answer. Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My brother had this done also. It did not cure the reason for overeating though. In the long run, it did not work. -Sunny --- Clayton claytonsecretarialplus@...> wrote: > Yes, Alice - for some - and I'd say that would be > VERY few - it's a valid > answer and is what is necessary in order to address > health complications. I > do feel, however, that there is a lot of hype that > this is the panacea for > weight loss - and is just isn't! > > > > I'm glad your sis-in-law has been able to improve > her health. > > > > C > > > > Re: gastric bypass > > > > My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost > immediately they took > her > off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to > normal. This is very > drastic measure but for some its the answer. > Alice > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Actually, in a new op gastricbypass patient, the sugar levels go to normal (in most patients) as early as 36 hours after surgery i.e. before they have lost any weight. This is probably because gastric bypass patients fast for the first several months while their new arrangement is healing (i.e. the average calorie intake of this post surgery period is 300-500 calories a day and some of this is not absorbed). Fasting or starvation will always bring the sugar levels down to normal or low. Two years after surgery, the picture is often different. Most patients find their blood sugar levels rising again as their bodies accomodate the new arrangement, their appetite comes back and they start eating more normally again. Most end up going back on, not only their medications but the same diets they struggled with BEFORE surgery. The American Medical society addressed the fact that the EARLY results of a gastric bypass were impressive but pointed out that there was NO EVIDENCE about the late term results... here is the quote from their issue on obesity: >>>> " Short-term outcomes are impressive-patients undergoing bariatric surgery maintain more weight loss compared with diet and exercise. Comorbidities such as type 2 diabetes can be reversed. But long-term consequences remain uncertain. Issues such as whether weight loss is maintained and the long-term effects of altering nutrient absorption remain unresolved. " <<<<<< 1762-JAMA, April 9, 2003-VoL 289, No. 14 Sue http://obesitysurgery-info.com (more info about this and other issues about gastricbypass) ------ original message ------- >>>>>>>> My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost immediately they took her off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to normal. This is very drastic measure but for some its the answer. Alice <<<<<<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 I have had surgery twice now and I always find that my blood sugar goes down to a more normal level for a while and there is no weight gain. Within a few months I regain the weight. . I end up weighing more than before. It is either the fact that when you have surgery you end up fasting except for the IV or possibly something to do with the drugs given for anesthesia that make you loose weight. Has anybody heard of anesthesia drugs causing weight loss? le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 > > I have had surgery twice now and I always find that my blood sugar goes > down > to a more normal level for a while and there is no weight gain. Within a > few months I regain the weight. . I end up weighing more than before. It > is > either the fact that when you have surgery you end up fasting except for > the > IV or possibly something to do with the drugs given for anesthesia that > make > you loose weight. Has anybody heard of anesthesia drugs causing weight > loss? Not to be totally silly here, but I think only way anesthesia drugs would cause weightloss is if you didn't eat when asleep! ;-) Depending on the surgery, my guess is that two things are happening (depending on the extend of the surgery)... 1) during a recovery period from both the anesthesia and the surgery, you may be less likely to eat... also if in the hospital for any amount of time, you are on the 'hospitals' diet (for the most part)... and 2) the body needs to repair itself, and while this repair process is going on, there could be a need for increased nutrition and because of #1 this would amplify the affect. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 LOL! Bad Fairie, you are too funny! I just went to the Rennie Fair and saw a great purple fairy with giant wings. She was so beautiful I wanted to get her picture but she flew off very fast. Alice Standard Time, badfairie@... writes: to be flippant for a moment, I've lost weight after each of my surgeries (3) and it stayed off! I had 3 c-sections......... don't recommend it for weight loss - dirty diapers & all the rest Click here: The Liver Detoxification Pathways I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 I don't mean to be silly but I heard that anesthesia drugs make you lose weight. If you want you could do some research on the Internet. I heard it at least 3 years ago on a newscast. Apparently it was not for people who have a lot of weight to lose. Did not pursue it but this group has a lot of members who have had major surgery. It would be interesting to learn other people experiences after surgery. As someone mentioned it is amazing that only hours after gastric bypass the blood sugar is normal as well as blood pressure and the patients have not even lost any weight yet. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 > > I don't mean to be silly but I heard that anesthesia drugs make you lose > weight. If you want you could do some research on the Internet. I heard > it > at least 3 years ago on a newscast. Apparently it was not for people who > have a lot of weight to lose. Did not pursue it but this group has a lot > of > members who have had major surgery. It would be interesting to learn > other > people experiences after surgery. As someone mentioned it is amazing that > only hours after gastric bypass the blood sugar is normal as well as blood > pressure and the patients have not even lost any weight yet. le > But I don't see the 'anesthesia for weightloss' as related to blood sugars becoming normal after gastric bypass surgery even before weight loss. Here is the reason. When you have surgery (especially gastric bypass) you need to be fasting prior to the surgery. From that point on, you are severely restricted on what you can eat. As someone else mentioned, not only are you severely restricted, you may not retain or completely digest that small amount of food you can consume. Not to mention that the small amount of food you consume is usually low fat protein as your body can't handle fatty foods or foods high in sugar. If you are Type 2 you still produce some insulin, and if you aren't consuming any calories, it isn't a stretch to think you would end up with normal sugars. I'd be willing to bet that if you fasted for 24 hours, and then only consumed a few hundred calories a day after that you would have drastically lower blood sugars without the surgery or anesthesia. I'm sure I could throw out my insulin if the only thing I consumed all day was water, a skinless broiled chicken breast (1, split between 3 meals) and maybe a couple of tablespoons of potatos. I've been doing a Google search for anesthesia and weight loss. I haven't found any references to this yet. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 to be flippant for a moment, I've lost weight after each of my surgeries (3) and it stayed off! I had 3 c-sections......... don't recommend it for weight loss - dirty diapers & all the rest > Re: Re: gastric bypass > > > I have had surgery twice now and I always find that my blood > sugar goes down > to a more normal level for a while and there is no weight gain. Within a > few months I regain the weight. . I end up weighing more than > before. It is > either the fact that when you have surgery you end up fasting > except for the > IV or possibly something to do with the drugs given for > anesthesia that make > you loose weight. Has anybody heard of anesthesia drugs causing > weight loss? > le > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Oh, you Bad Fairie, LOL!! I once lost 240 pounds in one day when I divorced my cheating husband. And it is the ONLY weight loss I have ever managed to maintain. Then 14 years later, I met husband #2, and gained a new, better life. He was worth the weight, if ya get my drift. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Gosh Laurie! I did the same! it sure felt like a giant weight lifted off me too! Alice Oh, you Bad Fairie, LOL!! I once lost 240 pounds in one day when I divorced my cheating husband. And it is the ONLY weight loss I have ever managed to maintain. Then 14 years later, I met husband #2, and gained a new, better life. He was worth the weight, if ya get my drift. Laurie Click here: The Liver Detoxification Pathways I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 How long do you suppose a person could get by like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Its permanent! How long do you suppose a person could get by like that? Click here: The Liver Detoxification Pathways I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi Mike and others, I tried to find the article talking about anesthesia drugs as a weight loss tool. It was on the six o'clock Health portion of the news on a CTV (Toronto) broadcast 2 or 3 years ago. Some of the ingredients that are part of anesthesia drugs were in a cream sold by a cosmetic surgeon. I remember that the cream was very expensive and only to be used for small weight loss. I know it sounds way out there. I had forgotten about the broadcast but details are coming back little by little. I had been interested by the newscast because I remembered my experience after surgery. My blood sugar went down to normal for 5 months and at first I thought that the 10 lbs I had lost was the reason. Granted you go into surgery fasting and depending on the operation you do not eat eat for several days so you only need a small amount of insulin to keep the blood sugar normal. I understand that. (I just experienced that a week ago when a stent was inserted under general anesthesia. I had a kidney stone attack ). When I heard the broadcast I reflected on the fact that I kept off the 10 lbs loss and the lower blood sugar for 5 months. I know it sounds silly to suggest that anesthesia drugs could help lower blood sugar but I am not offended. You can make funny remarks but here we are some of us so traumatized that they are willing to have major surgery that could end in death. I have enjoyed all the posts about the gastric bypass. I know several people who have had it done.le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Sorry I am not sure I understand your question or remark. We were talking about gastric bypass and someone mentioned the fact the right after the operation blood sugar and blood pressure are normal. My question is since people having the gastric bypass have not lost any weight yet why is this happening since we are told that losing weight is the key to getting rid of diabetes. Mike says that the operation is preceded by fasting and several days of more fasting which would explain a lower blood sugar. Since we always produce a little insulin this is all we need to take care of our basic needs. Eventually we have to eat or organs will suffer (anorexics). When I read the posts I started to remember a newscast about a cream for weight loss sold by a cosmetic surgeon in Toronto. The cream contained some drugs given during general anesthesia. My contribution was that there might be a correlation between a decrease in blood sugar for people who go under general anesthesia during gastric bypass irregardless of fasting or weight loss. The side effect of anesthesia could be lower blood sugar that lasts for several months then dissipate after a certain length of time. I went to the doctor's website after the newscast and read up on it. Since then my computer crashed and I have lost my saved favorite sites. I was interested because I experienced lower blood sugar and blood pressure for several months after major surgery to remove a cancerous kidney. After 5 months I gained back 10 lbs that I had lost initially during my hospital stay and my blood sugar started rising also To have a kidney removed is pretty serious operation. I was lucky my cancer was grade 1 stage 1. The cancer was found just in time. Does it make more sense? I am going to keep searching for the website. After the newscast I talked with one of my friends I will talk to her to see what she remembers. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 been there, lost about that much too! and it was soooo worth it beth > Re: Re: gastric bypass > > > Oh, you Bad Fairie, LOL!! I once lost 240 pounds in one day when > I divorced > my cheating husband. And it is the ONLY weight loss I have ever > managed to > maintain. > > Then 14 years later, I met husband #2, and gained a new, better life. He > was worth the weight, if ya get my drift. > > Laurie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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