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My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost immediately they took her

off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to normal. This is very

drastic measure but for some its the answer.

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Yes, Alice - for some - and I'd say that would be VERY few - it's a valid

answer and is what is necessary in order to address health complications. I

do feel, however, that there is a lot of hype that this is the panacea for

weight loss - and is just isn't!

I'm glad your sis-in-law has been able to improve her health.

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My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost immediately they took

her

off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to normal. This is very

drastic measure but for some its the answer.

Alice

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My brother had this done also. It did not cure the

reason for overeating though. In the long run, it did

not work.

-Sunny

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> Yes, Alice - for some - and I'd say that would be

> VERY few - it's a valid

> answer and is what is necessary in order to address

> health complications. I

> do feel, however, that there is a lot of hype that

> this is the panacea for

> weight loss - and is just isn't!

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> I'm glad your sis-in-law has been able to improve

> her health.

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> C

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> My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost

> immediately they took

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> off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to

> normal. This is very

> drastic measure but for some its the answer.

> Alice

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Actually, in a new op gastricbypass patient, the sugar levels go to normal (in

most patients) as early as 36 hours after surgery i.e. before they have lost any

weight. This is probably because gastric bypass patients fast for the first

several months while their new arrangement is healing (i.e. the average calorie

intake of this post surgery period is 300-500 calories a day and some of this is

not absorbed). Fasting or starvation will always bring the sugar levels down to

normal or low.

Two years after surgery, the picture is often different. Most patients find

their blood sugar levels rising again as their bodies accomodate the new

arrangement, their appetite comes back and they start eating more normally

again. Most end up going back on, not only their medications but the same diets

they struggled with BEFORE surgery.

The American Medical society addressed the fact that the EARLY results of a

gastric bypass were impressive but pointed out that there was NO EVIDENCE about

the late term results... here is the quote from their issue on obesity:

>>>> " Short-term outcomes are impressive-patients undergoing bariatric surgery

maintain more weight loss compared with diet and exercise. Comorbidities such as

type 2 diabetes can be reversed. But long-term consequences remain uncertain.

Issues such as whether weight loss is maintained and the long-term effects of

altering nutrient absorption remain unresolved. " <<<<<<

1762-JAMA, April 9, 2003-VoL 289, No. 14

Sue

http://obesitysurgery-info.com (more info about this and other issues about

gastricbypass)

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>>>>>>>> My sister in law just had gastric bypass and almost immediately they

took her off her diabetes meds and her blood pressure went to normal. This is

very drastic measure but for some its the answer.

Alice <<<<<<<<

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I have had surgery twice now and I always find that my blood sugar goes down

to a more normal level for a while and there is no weight gain. Within a

few months I regain the weight. . I end up weighing more than before. It is

either the fact that when you have surgery you end up fasting except for the

IV or possibly something to do with the drugs given for anesthesia that make

you loose weight. Has anybody heard of anesthesia drugs causing weight loss?

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> I have had surgery twice now and I always find that my blood sugar goes

> down

> to a more normal level for a while and there is no weight gain. Within a

> few months I regain the weight. . I end up weighing more than before. It

> is

> either the fact that when you have surgery you end up fasting except for

> the

> IV or possibly something to do with the drugs given for anesthesia that

> make

> you loose weight. Has anybody heard of anesthesia drugs causing weight

> loss?

Not to be totally silly here, but I think only way anesthesia drugs would

cause weightloss is if you didn't eat when asleep! ;-)

Depending on the surgery, my guess is that two things are happening

(depending on the extend of the surgery)... 1) during a recovery period from

both the anesthesia and the surgery, you may be less likely to eat... also

if in the hospital for any amount of time, you are on the 'hospitals' diet

(for the most part)... and 2) the body needs to repair itself, and while

this repair process is going on, there could be a need for increased

nutrition and because of #1 this would amplify the affect.

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LOL! Bad Fairie, you are too funny! I just went to the Rennie Fair and saw a

great purple fairy with giant wings. She was so beautiful I wanted to get

her picture but she flew off very fast. Alice

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to be flippant for a moment,

I've lost weight after each of my surgeries (3) and it stayed off!

I had 3 c-sections.........

don't recommend it for weight loss -

dirty diapers & all the rest

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I don't mean to be silly but I heard that anesthesia drugs make you lose

weight. If you want you could do some research on the Internet. I heard it

at least 3 years ago on a newscast. Apparently it was not for people who

have a lot of weight to lose. Did not pursue it but this group has a lot of

members who have had major surgery. It would be interesting to learn other

people experiences after surgery. As someone mentioned it is amazing that

only hours after gastric bypass the blood sugar is normal as well as blood

pressure and the patients have not even lost any weight yet. le

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> I don't mean to be silly but I heard that anesthesia drugs make you lose

> weight. If you want you could do some research on the Internet. I heard

> it

> at least 3 years ago on a newscast. Apparently it was not for people who

> have a lot of weight to lose. Did not pursue it but this group has a lot

> of

> members who have had major surgery. It would be interesting to learn

> other

> people experiences after surgery. As someone mentioned it is amazing that

> only hours after gastric bypass the blood sugar is normal as well as blood

> pressure and the patients have not even lost any weight yet. le

>

But I don't see the 'anesthesia for weightloss' as related to blood sugars

becoming normal after gastric bypass surgery even before weight loss. Here

is the reason.

When you have surgery (especially gastric bypass) you need to be fasting

prior to the surgery. From that point on, you are severely restricted on

what you can eat. As someone else mentioned, not only are you severely

restricted, you may not retain or completely digest that small amount of

food you can consume. Not to mention that the small amount of food you

consume is usually low fat protein as your body can't handle fatty foods or

foods high in sugar.

If you are Type 2 you still produce some insulin, and if you aren't

consuming any calories, it isn't a stretch to think you would end up with

normal sugars.

I'd be willing to bet that if you fasted for 24 hours, and then only

consumed a few hundred calories a day after that you would have drastically

lower blood sugars without the surgery or anesthesia. I'm sure I could

throw out my insulin if the only thing I consumed all day was water, a

skinless broiled chicken breast (1, split between 3 meals) and maybe a

couple of tablespoons of potatos.

I've been doing a Google search for anesthesia and weight loss. I haven't

found any references to this yet.

Mike

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to be flippant for a moment,

I've lost weight after each of my surgeries (3) and it stayed off!

I had 3 c-sections.........

don't recommend it for weight loss -

dirty diapers & all the rest

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> I have had surgery twice now and I always find that my blood

> sugar goes down

> to a more normal level for a while and there is no weight gain. Within a

> few months I regain the weight. . I end up weighing more than

> before. It is

> either the fact that when you have surgery you end up fasting

> except for the

> IV or possibly something to do with the drugs given for

> anesthesia that make

> you loose weight. Has anybody heard of anesthesia drugs causing

> weight loss?

> le

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>

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Oh, you Bad Fairie, LOL!! I once lost 240 pounds in one day when I divorced

my cheating husband. And it is the ONLY weight loss I have ever managed to

maintain.

Then 14 years later, I met husband #2, and gained a new, better life. He

was worth the weight, if ya get my drift.

Laurie

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Gosh Laurie! I did the same! it sure felt like a giant weight lifted off me

too! Alice

Oh, you Bad Fairie, LOL!! I once lost 240 pounds in one day when I divorced

my cheating husband. And it is the ONLY weight loss I have ever managed to

maintain.

Then 14 years later, I met husband #2, and gained a new, better life. He

was worth the weight, if ya get my drift.

Laurie

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Hi Mike and others,

I tried to find the article talking about anesthesia drugs as a weight loss

tool. It was on the six o'clock Health portion of the news on a CTV

(Toronto) broadcast 2 or 3 years ago. Some of the ingredients that are part

of anesthesia drugs were in a cream sold by a cosmetic surgeon. I remember

that the cream was very expensive and only to be used for small weight loss.

I know it sounds way out there. I had forgotten about the broadcast but

details are coming back little by little. I had been interested by the

newscast because I remembered my experience after surgery. My blood sugar

went down to normal for 5 months and at first I thought that the 10 lbs I

had lost was the reason. Granted you go into surgery fasting and depending

on the operation you do not eat eat for several days so you only need a

small amount of insulin to keep the blood sugar normal. I understand that.

(I just experienced that a week ago when a stent was inserted under general

anesthesia. I had a kidney stone attack ). When I heard the broadcast I

reflected on the fact that I kept off the 10 lbs loss and the lower blood

sugar for 5 months. I know it sounds silly to suggest that anesthesia

drugs could help lower blood sugar but I am not offended. You can make

funny remarks but here we are some of us so traumatized that they are

willing to have major surgery that could end in death. I have enjoyed all

the posts about the gastric bypass. I know several people who have had it

done.le

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Sorry I am not sure I understand your question or remark. We were talking

about gastric bypass and someone mentioned the fact the right after the

operation blood sugar and blood pressure are normal. My question is since

people having the gastric bypass have not lost any weight yet why is this

happening since we are told that losing weight is the key to getting rid of

diabetes. Mike says that the operation is preceded by fasting and several

days of more fasting which would explain a lower blood sugar. Since we

always produce a little insulin this is all we need to take care of our

basic needs. Eventually we have to eat or organs will suffer (anorexics).

When I read the posts I started to remember a newscast about a cream for

weight loss sold by a cosmetic surgeon in Toronto. The cream contained some

drugs given during general anesthesia. My contribution was that there might

be a correlation between a decrease in blood sugar for people who go under

general anesthesia during gastric bypass irregardless of fasting or weight

loss. The side effect of anesthesia could be lower blood sugar that lasts

for several months then dissipate after a certain length of time. I went to

the doctor's website after the newscast and read up on it. Since then my

computer crashed and I have lost my saved favorite sites. I was interested

because I experienced lower blood sugar and blood pressure for several

months after major surgery to remove a cancerous kidney. After 5 months I

gained back 10 lbs that I had lost initially during my hospital stay and my

blood sugar started rising also To have a kidney removed is pretty serious

operation. I was lucky my cancer was grade 1 stage 1. The cancer was found

just in time. Does it make more sense?

I am going to keep searching for the website. After the newscast I talked

with one of my friends I will talk to her to see what she remembers. le

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been there, lost about that much too! and it was soooo worth it

beth

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> Oh, you Bad Fairie, LOL!! I once lost 240 pounds in one day when

> I divorced

> my cheating husband. And it is the ONLY weight loss I have ever

> managed to

> maintain.

>

> Then 14 years later, I met husband #2, and gained a new, better life. He

> was worth the weight, if ya get my drift.

>

> Laurie

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