Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My question is... Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to have no 'margarine/butter' at all? I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding the 'good' spreads, but she says no. What do all y'all think about that??? JudyP – What others think of me is none of my business! 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 For me, I would look at which ones have more bad fats than good. That is the one I would then go with (of course, barring any allergens). I use a brand called Earth Balance that is pretty healthy and is sold in the natural section with the cold milks and yogurts. It melts well and is really really good. Smart Balance is good also and I don't think I've tried Benecol yet, but will look to see if I can find any the next time I go shopping. Portions will be a key item also. If you have less fat in brand 'x' but more in brand 'y' but brand 'x' tastes better so you eat 3 times as much of brand 'x', it may not be so helpful LOL. Good luck . Question I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My question is... Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to have no 'margarine/butter' at all? I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding the 'good' spreads, but she says no. What do all y'all think about that??? JudyP – What others think of me is none of my business! 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no timewith theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 My endo and doctor and nutritionist all told me to stop eating dry toast. And have just a small pat of real butter. So I do... sue I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My question is... Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to have no 'margarine/butter' at all? I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding the 'good' spreads, but she says no. What do all y'all think about that??? JudyP ˆ What others think of me is none of my business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 > > I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My question is... > > Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to have no 'margarine/butter' at all? > > I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding the 'good' spreads, but she says no. > > What do all y'all think about that??? > > JudyP – What others think of me is none of my business! > > JMO..but I perfer the real foods..to me margarine/smart balance etc are not real foods..I only use butter..but you are right..you are better off to have a potato either plain or with a little butter then to add chemical wannabes that the body does not know how to process .. Mind you I am at the other end of the scale..my total cholesterol was 1.5 on a scale of 2.5-5..and me and my boys all have the issue of gaining wieght and keeping it on.. but I know my body can not handle the fake foods. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I will check them all, but when I find the 'best' one, is it actually better than having nothing or just better than the others? For me, I would look at which ones have more bad fats than good. That is the one I would then go with (of course, barring any allergens). TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 JUDY, JUDY, JUDY, I guess you didn't read my post about obsessing over your cholestrol levels?!?! There is absolutly NO WAY I would put anything but REAL LIVE BUTTER in my body. Did you know that margarine, etc is ONE molecule away from PLASTIC ?!?! It is BAD ! BAD ! BAD !!!. Did you also know our brains NEED cholestorol to think right? They are finding more cases of Alztimers(sp?) then ever before & have traced it back to all the low fat craze. Once again I will point out my cholestrol levels were perfect (127) the good were high the bad were low & I still had a heart attack & DIED !!. Also in my research I read that ants won't eat margarines, never tried to give it to any ants but next summer maybe I will remember & try it to make sure what I read wasn't a lie. PLEASE stop worrying about your cholestrol & read my last post if you feel inclined to do so? Cindy Sue> >> > I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the > doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My > question is...> > > > Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to > have no 'margarine/butter' at all?> > > > I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding > the 'good' spreads, but she says no.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Cindy Sue, you talk so much good sense ! I totally agree with you on this point. My doctor told me that all magerines are poison, whereas butter supplies so many good nutrients, including Vit A. As for cholesterol, my good and my bad are both low - the good far too low ! - despite the butter and other fats I eat. But, I'm over-weight ! And my heart is as strong as a horse. Where is the connection ? There isn't one ! lol Lili > >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Re: Question >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:13:03 -0000 > > >JUDY, JUDY, JUDY, > > I guess you didn't read my post about obsessing over your cholestrol >levels?!?! There is absolutly NO WAY I would put anything but REAL LIVE >BUTTER in my body. Did you know that margarine, etc is ONE molecule away >from PLASTIC ?!?! It is BAD ! BAD ! BAD !!!. Did you also know our >brains NEED cholestorol to think right? They are finding more cases of >Alztimers(sp?) then ever before & have traced it back to all the low fat >craze. Once again I will point out my cholestrol levels were perfect >(127) the good were high the bad were low & I still had a heart attack >& DIED !!. Also in my research I read that ants won't eat margarines, >never tried to give it to any ants but next summer maybe I will remember >& try it to make sure what I read wasn't a lie. > > PLEASE stop worrying about your cholestrol & read my last post if you >feel inclined to do so? > > Cindy Sue > > > > > > I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the > > doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My > > question is... > > > > > > Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to > > have no 'margarine/butter' at all? > > > > > > I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding > > the 'good' spreads, but she says no. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Oh, and I forgot to say, the body needs cholesterol to produce hormones ! So, non cholesterol, no hormones... > >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: RE: Re: Question >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:00:35 +0100 > > > >Cindy Sue, you talk so much good sense ! I totally agree with you on this >point. My doctor told me that all magerines are poison, whereas butter >supplies so many good nutrients, including Vit A. As for cholesterol, my >good and my bad are both low - the good far too low ! - despite the butter >and other fats I eat. But, I'm over-weight ! And my heart is as strong as a >horse. Where is the connection ? There isn't one ! lol > >Lili > > > > > >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group > >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group > >Subject: Re: Question > >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:13:03 -0000 > > > > > >JUDY, JUDY, JUDY, > > > > I guess you didn't read my post about obsessing over your cholestrol > >levels?!?! There is absolutly NO WAY I would put anything but REAL LIVE > >BUTTER in my body. Did you know that margarine, etc is ONE molecule away > >from PLASTIC ?!?! It is BAD ! BAD ! BAD !!!. Did you also know our > >brains NEED cholestorol to think right? They are finding more cases of > >Alztimers(sp?) then ever before & have traced it back to all the low fat > >craze. Once again I will point out my cholestrol levels were perfect > >(127) the good were high the bad were low & I still had a heart attack > >& DIED !!. Also in my research I read that ants won't eat margarines, > >never tried to give it to any ants but next summer maybe I will remember > >& try it to make sure what I read wasn't a lie. > > > > PLEASE stop worrying about your cholestrol & read my last post if you > >feel inclined to do so? > > > > Cindy Sue > > > > > > > > I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the > > > doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My > > > question is... > > > > > > > > Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to > > > have no 'margarine/butter' at all? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding > > > the 'good' spreads, but she says no. > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com >http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > _________________________________________________________________ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 is that like the if a bear craps in the woods bit??..... that is what you will have to decide on your own as our bodies and our biological chemistries are different from person to person. something that may be right for one of us, may not be right for you. you will have to use your judgement to decide. and of course, we'll support 100%. good luck Re: Question I will check them all, but when I find the 'best' one, is it actually better than having nothing or just better than the others? For me, I would look at which ones have more bad fats than good. That is the one I would then go with (of course, barring any allergens). TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Actually Cindy, I read your entire post and took note and yes, I'm aware of the chemical composition of the edible oil byproduct that we call margarine. I'm also aware of the protective factors of cholesterol and even the fact that an abundance of fish oil will actually raise the bad cholesterol without being a danger to the body. Today, they don't differentiate between sticky and fluffy LDL, which could account for some folks living long healthy lives despite elevate levels. There was no overthinking, no worrying and certainly no obsession in my remarks. I'm a thinker and I like to know stuff. I have an astute panel of intellect here and so I tossed it out. If you want to push my major button, then just tell me to stop worrying, to stop overthinking, or to stop obsessing when not one single cell in my body is doing any of those things. I am very happy that you survived your death and are here with us today, but it doesn't really mean that other medical data has no value. When I had cervical cancer 25 years ago, before the virus theory, I was a textbook case because I had none of the risk factors, zero, zilch, nada. That does not mean that women in the high risk category would not ever get it. Statistics don't say that folks with stellar cholesterol levels will never have a heart attack, they simply say that the majority of heart attack victims have cholesterol counts above a statistically determined range. We may find out someday that it has nothing to do with anything, but in the meantime, I won't obsess over it, but I won't ignore it either... Judy I guess you didn't read my post about obsessing over your cholesterol levels?!?! It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Judy, I didn't mean to imply you had no intellect , sorry for that. Also sorry I pushed the "stop worry button" too. As far as medical data goes, I recently went for a checkup with a new doc. ( I, like a alot fo us am overwieght, in my case more from lack of movement due to messed up knees, but also some poor eating which I am in the process of changing) after talking to me & hearing about my heart attack , etc did you know the ONLY test he felt I needed was a cholestrol test? I asked him about my homocyctine & C-reactive protiens, I couldn't believe my ears when he said they didn't matter . When I had the attack the homo was 11 & the top is 12.5 A DOCTOR dismissing valid medical data I was appalled. Which goes to prove the point WE need to take responsiblity for ourselves & do research. After my heart attack I did TONS of research & when I hear people worried about cholestrol & it seems, nothing more it pushes my "warning button" & I have to speak out. I don't always say stuff in the right way but I am trying ....lol.... When it comes to cancer I have done a little research on that since it is in the family too, & I had a bad pap smear & had to do the biopsy too. Lucily it came back ok & I didn't do any more research. I learned that sugar makes it multipy 7 times faster, so any one with cancer should stay away from sugar. Glad you made it threw cancer !! Cindy Sue >> Actually Cindy, I read your entire post and took note and yes, I'm aware of the chemical composition of the edible oil byproduct that we call margarine. I'm also aware of the protective factors of cholesterol and even the fact that an abundance of fish oil will actually raise the bad cholesterol without being a danger to the body. Today, they don't differentiate between sticky and fluffy LDL, which could account for some folks living long healthy lives despite elevate levels.> > There was no overthinking, no worrying and certainly no obsession in my remarks. I'm a thinker and I like to know stuff. I have an astute panel of intellect here and so I tossed it out. If you want to push my major button, then just tell me to stop worrying, to stop overthinking, or to stop obsessing when not one single cell in my body is doing any of those things.> > I am very happy that you survived your death and are here with us today, but it doesn't really mean that other medical data has no value. When I had cervical cancer 25 years ago, before the virus theory, I was a textbook case because I had none of the risk factors, zero, zilch, nada. That does not mean that women in the high risk category would not ever get it. Statistics don't say that folks with stellar cholesterol levels will never have a heart attack, they simply say that the majority of heart attack victims have cholesterol counts above a statistically determined range. We may find out someday that it has nothing to do with anything, but in the meantime, I won't obsess over it, but I won't ignore it either... Judy> > ---------------------------------> > I guess you didn't read my post about obsessing over your cholesterol levels?!?! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 My homocysteine was high, so the doctor put me on Cardio B supplements. I'm not sure how high it was, but out of range. What is that and what does it actually mean. Do you think the B vitamins will help it? I asked him about my homocyctine & C-reactive protiens Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 You need the whole range of B vitamins & Folic acid. You need all the b's becasue they don't work well if you only take like B6 & forget the rest. High homocyctine levels means inflamation, so far I haven't been able to find out what truely causes the inflamation. I will admit I haven't looked for any info in a few years. What I do remember is the inflamation causes your cholestrol to increase which then sticks to the arteries because the artereis get damaged byt the inflamation. Cholestrol is like a bandaid for our viens, but when the inflamation is too much then it goes overboard "helping" us, that's how we get blocked arteries. Cindy Sue >> My homocysteine was high, so the doctor put me on Cardio B supplements. I'm not sure how high it was, but out of range. What is that and what does it actually mean. Do you think the B vitamins will help it?> > ---------------------------------> > I asked him about my homocyctine & C-reactive protiens> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I'm a little prejudiced here, as I like butter (yeh the fat stuff, yum!). The prejudice comes in here as this---That olive oil based stuff tastes like $#it!! I use olive oil for pan broiling ALL the time, but the margarine stuff, to me, has absolutely NO relationship to olive oil at ALL, yuk. I've tried to on two occasions, and I just can't stomach it, and I don't see how ANYone can, gross. I haven't used any margarines since I found out about the soy, etc.....and I ate it for yrs and yrs.....but noone's going to convince me to eat that Benecol stuff or anything related to it, yukky. Now this is all coming from one who still eats sugar, and I also won't touch Sucralose, Aspartame, or anything related to THAT. I understand that we who still eat sugar are probably "hooked" on that, so this is a very prejudiced viewpoint, but not on the olive oil "margarine". That stuff just tastes AWFUL! If I'm not going to enjoy eating it then forget it. I also understand that we are to eat to live, not live to eat, but eating should be enjoyable, not just to survive. I think that the good Lord would not have given us taste buds had He not wanted us to enjoy what we eat. Gross! : ) Question I would like your opinion. My cholesterol is borderline and the doc recommended 'Smart Balance' spread, red wine and exercise. My question is... Is it more beneficial to eat 'Smart Balance' or 'Benecol' than to have no 'margarine/butter' at all? I'm thinking bare toast/potatoes etc. would be smarter than adding the 'good' spreads, but she says no. What do all y'all think about that??? JudyP – What others think of me is none of my business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 > > > You need the whole range of B vitamins & Folic acid. You need all the > b's becasue they don't work well if you only take like B6 & forget the > rest. High homocyctine levels means inflamation, so far I haven't been > able to find out what truely causes the inflamation. I will admit I > haven't looked for any info in a few years. What I do remember is the > inflamation causes your cholestrol to increase which then sticks to the > arteries because the artereis get damaged byt the inflamation. > Cholestrol is like a bandaid for our viens, but when the inflamation is > too much then it goes overboard " helping " us, that's how we get blocked > arteries. > > Cindy Sue > I have been told by the dietican, allergist and GP not to take any B vitamins.. The reason being I am allergic to Cobalt chloride and B12 is a Cobalt compound, so I am allergic to sythetic B12s.. and it is not reccomended that the B's be taken seperately as they can throw the balance of the other B's out of whack. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 You need the whole range of B vitamins & Folic acid. You need all the b's becasue they don't work well if you only take like B6 & forget the rest. High homocyctine levels means inflamation, so far I haven't been able to find out what truely causes the inflamation. I will admit I haven't looked for any info in a few years. What I do remember is the inflamation causes your cholestrol to increase which then sticks to the arteries because the artereis get damaged byt the inflamation. Cholestrol is like a bandaid for our viens, but when the inflamation is too much then it goes overboard "helping" us, that's how we get blocked arteries.> > > > Cindy Sue> > > I have been told by the dietican, allergist and GP not to take any B > vitamins.. The reason being I am allergic to Cobalt chloride and B12 > is a Cobalt compound, so I am allergic to sythetic B12s.. and it is > not reccomended that the B's be taken seperately as they can throw > the balance of the other B's out of whack.> > Kats3boys Kats, Did I miss something? I didn't see anything in my post that said to take any of the B's separately? If your allergic then of course you should not take B's, but if that is the case you really need to be sure to eat the right foods then. Here is a link to some help with that, they said you are at risk of cancer if you don't get enough & a few other problemshttp://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminB12/ Cindy Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 > Did I miss something? I didn't see anything in my post that said to > take any of the B's separately? If your allergic then of course you > should not take B's, but if that is the case you really need to be sure > to eat the right foods then. No, you did not miss anything.. I was actually agreeing with you..I have been told by different professionals not to take B's seperate... because of the balance they play with each other.. Sorry if it came out confusing.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 just remember that if you take too many b vitamins they will flush out of your system with no harm *in theory of course*. this is why once someone starts taking b vitamins their pee will turn a bit more yellow, even if they are getting enough water. Re: Question > Did I miss something? I didn't see anything in my post that said to> take any of the B's separately? If your allergic then of course you> should not take B's, but if that is the case you really need to be sure> to eat the right foods then.No, you did not miss anything.. I was actually agreeing with you..I have been told by different professionals not to take B's seperate... because of the balance they play with each other..Sorry if it came out confusing..Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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