Hi !! I am new to this list !!

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Hello !! My name is Sheri and I just joined the list. I hope you don't mind if I jump right in. I have a handful of questions. I have had chronic broncitis over the last couple of years. I have had a couple of symptoms that could point to thyroid. My TSH always comes back normal and I am told my thyroid was fine. To make a long story short I was in the hospital a week ago. I had the broncitis thing going on and a rapid and irregular heart rate. I have been very shaky and light headed as well. They did a SCAN of my chest because I was having a high level of pain. Their concern was a a blood clot. No clot, but they found an enlarged thyroid. My doctor ran a handful of blood tests. My questions are this.... can someone have an enlarged thyroid and have nothing wrong with it? I hope that made sense? When I read the symptoms of Hypothyroidism it seems it is right on the money. My other question is this... A few of the blood tests show the levels

close to being out of the "normal" range. They point in the direction of Hypothyroidism. So, could I have Hypothyroidism and have my labs still read "normal"? I feel like I am spinning in circles. I haven't felt good in a long time and I am hoping I am on the right path. Thanks for reading this and any input you may have. Sincerely, Sheri

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Welcome!  I love people who just jump! :)I personally don't have enough experience with thyroid problems, so I'll let more experienced folks help you there.I do have lung issues, so.... what did they give you in the hospital to treat your bronchitis? Did they give you "breathing treatments"?  Then they probably used albuterol in high doses and that will indeed give you  a racing heart.Keep us posted, hope your feeling better soon.JackieHello !! My name is Sheri and I just joined the list. I hope you don't mind if I jump right in. I have a handful of questions. I have had chronic broncitis over the last couple of years. I have had a couple of symptoms that could point to thyroid. My TSH always comes back normal and I am told my thyroid was fine. To make a long story short I was in the hospital a week ago. I had the broncitis thing going on and a rapid and irregular heart rate. I have been very shaky and light headed as well. They did a SCAN of my chest because I was having a high level of pain. Their concern was a a blood clot. No clot, but they found an enlarged thyroid. My doctor ran a handful of blood tests. My questions are this.... can someone have an enlarged thyroid and have nothing wrong with it? I hope that made sense? When I read the symptoms of Hypothyroidism it seems it is right on the money. My other question is this... A few of the blood tests show the levels close to being out of the "normal" range. They point in the direction of Hypothyroidism. So, could I have Hypothyroidism and have my labs still read "normal"? I feel like I am spinning in circles. I haven't felt good in a long time and I am hoping I am on the right path. Thanks for reading this and any input you may have. Sincerely, Sheri          Don't pick lemons.See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. www.jordanreimer.comSupport My Music....Jordan Reimer Music

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Hi Sheri,

Glad to have you here and yes you can have " normal " tests as per the

docs and be hypo. That is how most of our docs are/were as they are

not all up on the correct ranges which have changed in the last few

years. Have you had a look at your labs or can you get them so that

you could post them here and let the girls put their 2 cents in and

be able to help you better. Just ask and we will all try to give of

our own experiences. You are not alone in any of this we have all

been where you are and are now on the way to being healthy again.

Dawn in Canada

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> Hello !! My name is Sheri and I just joined the list. I hope you

don't mind if I jump right in. I have a handful of questions. I have

had chronic broncitis over the last couple of years. I have had a

couple of symptoms that could point to thyroid. My TSH always comes

back normal and I am told my thyroid was fine. To make a long story

short I was in the hospital a week ago. I had the broncitis thing

going on and a rapid and irregular heart rate. I have been very shaky

and light headed as well. They did a SCAN of my chest because I was

having a high level of pain. Their concern was a a blood clot. No

clot, but they found an enlarged thyroid. My doctor ran a handful of

blood tests. My questions are this.... can someone have an enlarged

thyroid and have nothing wrong with it? I hope that made sense? When

I read the symptoms of Hypothyroidism it seems it is right on the

money. My other question is this... A few of the blood tests show the

levels close to being out of the

> " normal " range. They point in the direction of Hypothyroidism. So,

could I have Hypothyroidism and have my labs still read " normal " ? I

feel like I am spinning in circles. I haven't felt good in a long

time and I am hoping I am on the right path. Thanks for reading this

and any input you may have.

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Hi Jackie,

Yes, they gave me the breathing treatment. The racing heart and

irregular heartbeats where before any of the meds. Do you mind if I

ask why you belong to a thyroid list when you are having lung

problems. I am wondering if there is a connection between the two.

Thanks for the welcome.

Sheri

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> > Hello !! My name is Sheri and I just joined the list. I hope you

> > don't mind if I jump right in. I have a handful of questions. I

> > have had chronic broncitis over the last couple of years. I have

> > had a couple of symptoms that could point to thyroid. My TSH

always

> > comes back normal and I am told my thyroid was fine. To make a

long

> > story short I was in the hospital a week ago. I had the

broncitis

> > thing going on and a rapid and irregular heart rate. I have been

> > very shaky and light headed as well. They did a SCAN of my chest

> > because I was having a high level of pain. Their concern was a a

> > blood clot. No clot, but they found an enlarged thyroid. My

doctor

> > ran a handful of blood tests. My questions are this.... can

someone

> > have an enlarged thyroid and have nothing wrong with it? I hope

> > that made sense? When I read the symptoms of Hypothyroidism it

> > seems it is right on the money. My other question is this... A

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> > of the blood tests show the levels close to being out of the

> > " normal " range. They point in the direction of Hypothyroidism.

So,

> > could I have Hypothyroidism and have my labs still read " normal " ?

I

> > feel like I am spinning in circles. I haven't felt good in a

long

> > time and I am hoping I am on the right path. Thanks for reading

> > this and any input you may have.

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> > Sincerely, Sheri

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> Support My Music....Jordan Reimer Music

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Hi Dawn,

Thanks for the reply. It feels good not to be alone and chat with

people that understand. I wrote a brief introduction, but this has

been never ending for some time and I just want to cry. Ok, now that

I got that out of the way : ) Yes, I asked my doctor's office to fax

me the results they got back so far. I would love to hear anyone's

input. I will include the range the results show me. If anyone knows

that they are different, please update me. Thanks. Here are the tests

and the results....

TSI - 1.0+ RANGE 0.0 - 1.3

Thyeoglob Ab - 10 RANGE 59 & below = negative

Thyro Perox Ab - 1 RANGE 59 & below = negative

Free T4 - 0.8 Range 0.6 - 1.6

TSH - 0.99 Range 0.30 - 5.00

Total T3 - 96 Range 80 - 220

That's all the tests I got back so far. Thank you so much for any

help.

Sheri

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> > Hello !! My name is Sheri and I just joined the list. I hope you

> don't mind if I jump right in. I have a handful of questions. I

have

> had chronic broncitis over the last couple of years. I have had a

> couple of symptoms that could point to thyroid. My TSH always comes

> back normal and I am told my thyroid was fine. To make a long story

> short I was in the hospital a week ago. I had the broncitis thing

> going on and a rapid and irregular heart rate. I have been very

shaky

> and light headed as well. They did a SCAN of my chest because I was

> having a high level of pain. Their concern was a a blood clot. No

> clot, but they found an enlarged thyroid. My doctor ran a handful

of

> blood tests. My questions are this.... can someone have an enlarged

> thyroid and have nothing wrong with it? I hope that made sense?

When

> I read the symptoms of Hypothyroidism it seems it is right on the

> money. My other question is this... A few of the blood tests show

the

> levels close to being out of the

> > " normal " range. They point in the direction of Hypothyroidism.

So,

> could I have Hypothyroidism and have my labs still read " normal " ? I

> feel like I am spinning in circles. I haven't felt good in a long

> time and I am hoping I am on the right path. Thanks for reading

this

> and any input you may have.

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And here's documented proof of the tyranny of the TSH. I got my labs today.

TSH 0.43 (0.40-4.10) Couldn't be more perfect right?

T4 8.8 (4.5 - 12.5) midrange - should be much higher with a TSH of ..43

T3 76 (87-178) LOW! This is the first time this has happened and a doctor actually

said the I wasn't converting properly - ya think! So she's keeping me

on the Armour and Levo combination and will look again in 3 months.

The only reason that she's not increasing is that I told her I had taken only Levo over the holiday season and hadn't taken my Armour for 2 of the 3 weeks before the testing.

Now, I have a question. If I take my Armour on morning X and then don't take it on morning Y - the morning of the labs, doesn't it stand to reason that my T3 will be low???? T3 has a halflife (if you want to be generous) of 1 day, so after 24 hours, I would be at least 1/2 low anyway wouldn't I?

Let me know what all y'all think.

But one thing is for sure. If she had relied only on the TSH, she'd say my numbers where 'normal' and some docs would worry that I was close to hyper... Judy

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Hi Judy,

Yep, the doctors who do TSH only are truly morons.

Your T3 is low — and your not taking any armour which has the T3 shows you don’t convert your own T4 and do need to supplement it.

If you skip one day for the labwork though, I think you will be ok — in fact I take my meds the day of – I know it’s controversial but I truly have tested it both ways 24 hours apart and it makes no significant difference — they really do need to see how you are doing ON the meds... So it’s really your call -

Sue

And here's documented proof of the tyranny of the TSH. I got my labs today.

TSH 0.43 (0.40-4.10) Couldn't be more perfect right?

T4 8.8 (4.5 - 12.5) midrange - should be much higher with a TSH of ..43

T3 76 (87-178) LOW! This is the first time this has happened and a doctor actually

said the I wasn't converting properly - ya think! So she's keeping me

on the Armour and Levo combination and will look again in 3 months.

The only reason that she's not increasing is that I told her I had taken only Levo over the holiday season and hadn't taken my Armour for 2 of the 3 weeks before the testing.

Now, I have a question. If I take my Armour on morning X and then don't take it on morning Y - the morning of the labs, doesn't it stand to reason that my T3 will be low???? T3 has a halflife (if you want to be generous) of 1 day, so after 24 hours, I would be at least 1/2 low anyway wouldn't I?

Let me know what all y'all think.

But one thing is for sure. If she had relied only on the TSH, she'd say my numbers where 'normal' and some docs would worry that I was close to hyper... Judy

[Guest guest]

I was thinking the same thing. With the straight T4, I don't think it would make much difference because it builds up in your system, but with the T3, it just seems to me that I was rightfully depleted that morning. I'm grateful for all the info, but sometimes I wish that I'd just stayed in my Eltroxin oblivion. Thanks Sue... Judy

I know it’s controversial but I truly have tested it both ways 24 hours apart and it makes no significant difference — they really do need to see how you are doing ON the meds.

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JUDY/Sue:

Woulnd't that be a cute name? judy-sue....? LOL

At any rate.... what I pick up on here, is that one

thing you never know...since bloods are but a

snap-shot in time..is what was going on before it they

got taken.

STUFF happens in the blood.....and you can still feel

okay...even when a big change as taken

place...verified by bloods. The saturation may still

be in the cells...and in the tissues. THERE is a lag

time...in or out of the cells compared to the bloods.

I think this is one thing that really confuses the

docs.

THEY can have a patient sitting in front of them with

a TSH of 100 who claims to feel fine..(and they

probably do) while you can walk in with a TSH of

2...and wish you were dead.

Likewise...Sue's experiment with taking t3 the day of

testing and then forgoing her pill the day of

testing....MAY not prove out in the same way again..if

she were to try and repeat that experiement.

This could have been a fluke..which has some

explaination, which isn't readily obvious. Maybe

she took an asprin the night before and that trounced

some t3 on the first test...or she drank coffee the

morning of on the second test?

MAYBE..her tests are true blue, but this is something

that only happens to her?

We know that many times...when people do this same

thing, their results are consistent with what Topper

suggests. AND...many of us have found that once a doc

sees elevated t3..and a lower tsh...which gets MUCH

more readily suppressed by the free t3...he's likely

to start cutting your pills back.

This leads to all kinds of horror for some of us. My

doc wanted me to cut back last time I saw him....so

this is a real possibility.

Since many/some (who really know) have experienced

this, even those of us who are cancer survivors...we

tend to be leary of the presentation of that latest

unused t3 in our bloods...which shows over the range.

Not everyone does go over range with their t3...so

this is not always the case..either if you follow me

here.

Of course some practitioners are aware of this little

tid-bit, but many ar not, taking the bloods as they

were infallible with no room for analysis.

In Judy's case here...it does look as if there is a t3

dip due to lack of the t3 in ARmour. One may ask why

she decided to forgo the dose she was on. I would

expect her to have a drop in t3 and I would expect the

TSH..to lag behind in terms of rebounding upwards

without that t3. We just dont' know what the time

frame is...or what HER pititary act like usually in

this scanario...

~E:)

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wrote:

> Hi Judy,

>

> Yep, the doctors who do TSH only are truly morons.

> Your T3 is low ‹ and your not taking any armour

> which has the T3 shows you

> don¹t convert your own T4 and do need to supplement

> it.

> If you skip one day for the labwork though, I think

> you will be ok ‹ in fact

> I take my meds the day of ­ I know it¹s

> controversial but I truly have

> tested it both ways 24 hours apart and it makes no

> significant difference ‹

> they really do need to see how you are doing ON the

> meds... So it¹s really

> your call -

>

> Sue

>

>

> On 1/15/07 10:19 PM, " Judy P " oaloopsjp@...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > And here's documented proof of the tyranny of the

> TSH. I got my labs today.

> >

> > TSH 0.43 (0.40-4.10) Couldn't be more perfect

> right?

> >

> > T4 8.8 (4.5 - 12.5) midrange - should be much

> higher with a TSH of ..43

> >

> > T3 76 (87-178) LOW! This is the first time

> this has happened and a doctor

> > actually

> > said the I wasn't

> converting properly - ya think!

> > So she's keeping me

> > on the Armour and

> Levo combination and will look

> > again in 3 months.

> >

> > The only reason that she's not increasing is that

> I told her I had taken only

> > Levo over the holiday season and hadn't taken my

> Armour for 2 of the 3 weeks

> > before the testing.

> >

> > Now, I have a question. If I take my Armour on

> morning X and then don't take

> > it on morning Y - the morning of the labs, doesn't

> it stand to reason that my

> > T3 will be low???? T3 has a halflife (if you want

> to be generous) of 1 day,

> > so after 24 hours, I would be at least 1/2 low

> anyway wouldn't I?

> >

> > Let me know what all y'all think.

> >

> > But one thing is for sure. If she had relied only

> on the TSH, she'd say my

> > numbers where 'normal' and some docs would worry

> that I was close to hyper...

> > Judy

> >

> >

>

>

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Something just struck me... what if the tests were showing exactly what

we are trying to see, the conversion of the T3? What I mean is that,

though the numbers were fairly close both days... so would that not imply

that her body was able to convert to about the same level as when T3 is

introduced via pill?

That's what the goal is... to build up sufficient levels of T4 in the

system, and to do what we can to optimize conversion so that the body is

able to maintain fairly stable T3 levels via conversion - between

doses....

Hmmmmm

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

lyongillespie@...> writes:

> JUDY/Sue:

>

> Woulnd't that be a cute name? judy-sue....? LOL

>

> At any rate.... what I pick up on here, is that one

> thing you never know...since bloods are but a

> snap-shot in time..is what was going on before it they

> got taken.

>

> STUFF happens in the blood.....and you can still feel

> okay...even when a big change as taken

> place...verified by bloods. The saturation may still

> be in the cells...and in the tissues. THERE is a lag

> time...in or out of the cells compared to the bloods.

>

>

> I think this is one thing that really confuses the

> docs.

>

> THEY can have a patient sitting in front of them with

> a TSH of 100 who claims to feel fine..(and they

> probably do) while you can walk in with a TSH of

> 2...and wish you were dead.

>

> Likewise...Sue's experiment with taking t3 the day of

> testing and then forgoing her pill the day of

> testing....MAY not prove out in the same way again..if

> she were to try and repeat that experiement.

>

>

> This could have been a fluke..which has some

> explaination, which isn't readily obvious. Maybe

> she took an asprin the night before and that trounced

> some t3 on the first test...or she drank coffee the

> morning of on the second test?

>

> MAYBE..her tests are true blue, but this is something

> that only happens to her?

>

> We know that many times...when people do this same

> thing, their results are consistent with what Topper

> suggests. AND...many of us have found that once a doc

> sees elevated t3..and a lower tsh...which gets MUCH

> more readily suppressed by the free t3...he's likely

> to start cutting your pills back.

>

> This leads to all kinds of horror for some of us. My

> doc wanted me to cut back last time I saw him....so

> this is a real possibility.

>

> Since many/some (who really know) have experienced

> this, even those of us who are cancer survivors...we

> tend to be leary of the presentation of that latest

> unused t3 in our bloods...which shows over the range.

> Not everyone does go over range with their t3...so

> this is not always the case..either if you follow me

> here.

>

> Of course some practitioners are aware of this little

> tid-bit, but many ar not, taking the bloods as they

> were infallible with no room for analysis.

>

> In Judy's case here...it does look as if there is a t3

> dip due to lack of the t3 in ARmour. One may ask why

> she decided to forgo the dose she was on. I would

> expect her to have a drop in t3 and I would expect the

> TSH..to lag behind in terms of rebounding upwards

> without that t3. We just dont' know what the time

> frame is...or what HER pititary act like usually in

> this scanario...

>

> ~E:)

[Guest guest]

LOL tyranny of tsh... too great!! gotta write that one down .

Re: Re: Hi !! I am new to this list !!

And here's documented proof of the tyranny of the TSH. I got my labs today.

TSH 0.43 (0.40-4.10) Couldn't be more perfect right?

T4 8.8 (4.5 - 12.5) midrange - should be much higher with a TSH of ..43

T3 76 (87-178) LOW! This is the first time this has happened and a doctor actually

said the I wasn't converting properly - ya think! So she's keeping me

on the Armour and Levo combination and will look again in 3 months.

The only reason that she's not increasing is that I told her I had taken only Levo over the holiday season and hadn't taken my Armour for 2 of the 3 weeks before the testing.

Now, I have a question. If I take my Armour on morning X and then don't take it on morning Y - the morning of the labs, doesn't it stand to reason that my T3 will be low???? T3 has a halflife (if you want to be generous) of 1 day, so after 24 hours, I would be at least 1/2 low anyway wouldn't I?

Let me know what all y'all think.

But one thing is for sure. If she had relied only on the TSH, she'd say my numbers where 'normal' and some docs would worry that I was close to hyper... Judy

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[Guest guest]

Haha, you can have it, but I can't take credit. It's from a book with the same title.

Tyranny of the TSH:

Dr. C. Lowe writes: "The entire set of beliefs of mainstream medicine about the diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism could be thrown out with no harm whatever to the public. In fact, the public would benefit immensely! One of the most harmful of the beliefs—and the foundation upon which most conventional treatment of hypothyroidism is based—is that the TSH test is the "gold standard" for the diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism. This belief is the "Rosemary's baby" of the conventional endocrinology specialty. The belief has bedeviled the public for more than thirty years, causing unspeakable suffering and premature death. The legacy of the belief is a world-wide public health crisis, one costing the public billions of dollars each year. It must be brought to a halt."

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