Re: Diabesity (YUCK)-sometimes it isn't our fault

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In a message dated 6/22/2006 2:02:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

debrajocallahan@... writes:

Many of you may be in my shoes when I say that before diagnosis, I

tried repeatedly (without cheating) to lose weight on very

restricted diets & exercise). I would lose 5 pounds and then stop

losing despite efforts. Of course, after a month of no more loss or

even weight gain, I wold quit.

Hi Debby,

After gaining 48 lbs in less than 2 months because of heavy doses of

steroids, I tried to lose the weight. I tried different diets and nothing

worked.

Then when I got serious about going off meds for diabetes, I tried low-carb

and stopped losing weight and would get lows every two hours. I tried

counting carbs, calories, etc and that did not work, it stressed me. So, I

developed my own food plan, one that I can live with the rest of my life. It

is

sensible eating. I eat healthy most of the time, but I don't give up any

foods,

just eat less of some, more of others. Once I did this and added even more

exercise to my schedule, I started losing weight, went off meds for both

diabetes and BP and have been off of them since 2001.

I know there are others that have to eat low carb, count calories/carbs,

etc. Some people can get off meds, others cannot. Some people prefer to be on

meds so they can eat more carbs. The only thing that matters is that each

individual find a plan that works to control their diabetes.

I don't know why other people get diabetes, but I do know that mine was

caused by the steroids and the weight gain. But, I'm thankful that I have

diabetes. It made me more aware of my health and I realized I needed to lose

weight. Even at 63 years old, I feel better than I did when I was in the mid

to

late 40's and I enjoyed life then.

hugs

Eunice

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Thank you, for commenting on diabesity. I have T2 and yes, I

am overweight (NOT OBESE), but EVERY SINGLE FEMALE on my maternal

side of the family has been diagnosed with T2 in their 40s; that's

over 15 females and only about 5 of them were overweight. People

who are quick to label either forget or choose to ignore the

following:

Both types are highly hereditary and when a person finally contracts

T2 diabetes, their metabolism stops working properly so as to affect

one's ability to lose weight. This slowing of the metabolism will

in fact cause people who continue the same eating/exercise pattern

to gain weight. It's been proven that people with T2 who get their

bg and, consequently their metabolism, under control lose weight

without reduction of calories. Of course the energy regained from a

rapid metabolsm will allow for increased activity, something people

with high, uncontrolled bg levels lack.

Many of you may be in my shoes when I say that before diagnosis, I

tried repeatedly (without cheating) to lose weight on very

restricted diets & exercise). I would lose 5 pounds and then stop

losing despite efforts. Of course, after a month of no more loss or

even weight gain, I wold quit. I was diagnosed w/ T2 3 1/2 weeks

ago with bg in the high 300s. I put myself on a very restricted

diet, eating about 1/4 the amount I had been and changed the foods

to all nutritious, diabetic friendly. I began mild exercise/

stretching 20mins every day. I park farther, walk farther etc and I

drink three to four 44oz glasses of water a day. I've lost ONE

POUND! I began with Metformin 500mg and am now at 2000mg because

the bg wouldn't come below mid 200s. I've been on the 2000mg for

three days and am now in the 140s-160s.

I have hypertension which goes hand-in-hand with T2 Diabetes. I've

been diagnosed with a fatty liver. Oddly enough I do not nor have I

ever drank alcohol except in celebratory situations nor do I have

high levels of fat in my system.

It seems that diabetes attacks us from all sides, and while we can

do our part to help ourselves, it isn't anyone's fault (except maybe

great-great granny)that they fell prey to this tricky disease.

Thanks for listening.

Debby

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Thanks Debby... I like the way you wrote that.

>

> It seems that diabetes attacks us from all sides, and while we can

> do our part to help ourselves, it isn't anyone's fault (except

> maybe

> great-great granny)that they fell prey to this tricky disease.

> Thanks for listening.

>

> Debby

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Howdy Eunice,

I don't know that Steroids caused your diabetes but never the less it was not

your fault.

I was diagnoised with Pulmonary Fibrosis in 2000, got so sick I lost 40 pounds

in one months time. They prescribed Prednizone to me & I gained 60 pounds in one

month. The drug & diabetes just don't play well together. But I proably would

have been dead without it so it was a trade off.

Anybody wants to tell me I got diabetes because something I done is looking

for one in the kisser.

Steroids & diabetes is like walking a tight-rope without a blindfold. Anyone

that lives with these two afflictions deserves alcolades not guilt.

Now my opinion on diets, forget all those silly diet plans, there just

bandaids & bandaids fall off after awhile. Just get with a dietion, watch your

intake & whatever excerzie you can do, do it.

I could shed some pounds myself, and I will, but it won't be overnight.

Happy Trails

Victor

Hi Debby,

After gaining 48 lbs in less than 2 months because of heavy doses of

steroids, I tried to lose the weight. I tried different diets and nothing

worked.

Then when I got serious about going off meds for diabetes, I tried low-carb

and stopped losing weight and would get lows every two hours. I tried

counting carbs, calories, etc and that did not work, it stressed me. So, I

developed my own food plan, one that I can live with the rest of my life. It is

sensible eating. I eat healthy most of the time, but I don't give up any foods,

just eat less of some, more of others. Once I did this and added even more

exercise to my schedule, I started losing weight, went off meds for both

diabetes and BP and have been off of them since 2001.

I know there are others that have to eat low carb, count calories/carbs,

etc. Some people can get off meds, others cannot. Some people prefer to be on

meds so they can eat more carbs. The only thing that matters is that each

individual find a plan that works to control their diabetes.

I don't know why other people get diabetes, but I do know that mine was

caused by the steroids and the weight gain. But, I'm thankful that I have

diabetes. It made me more aware of my health and I realized I needed to lose

weight. Even at 63 years old, I feel better than I did when I was in the mid to

late 40's and I enjoyed life then.

hugs

Eunice

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Glad somebody mentioned heredity is a major factor

in whether or not we become diabetic.

Tim

--- GlassArtist@... wrote:

> Thanks Debby... I like the way you wrote that.

>

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> >

> > It seems that diabetes attacks us from all sides,

> and while we can

> > do our part to help ourselves, it isn't anyone's

> fault (except

> > maybe

> > great-great granny)that they fell prey to this

> tricky disease.

> > Thanks for listening.

> >

> > Debby

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Tim snikpoh8@...> wrote:

> Glad somebody mentioned heredity is a major factor

> in whether or not we become diabetic.

Indeed, but even enough so-called " professionals " ignore this fact and

continue to blame the patient only.

There are enough people who were overweight their whole life and don't

get diabetes and this doesn't make them " better people " than overeight

people ho become diabetic.

Sometimes I think the stigma is worse than the disease itself.

Best wishes

M.

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I'm thankful to report that my two doctors don't do that. They both

told me not to blame myself. I was told that I would have eventually

gotten the disease regardless of my weight. But I still hesitate to

tell people about it.

I did however have a HORRIBLE experience with a " personal nurse "

provided by Humana who made me feel so bad, I went in the bathroom at

work and cried after talking to her.

Re: Re: Diabesity (YUCK)-sometimes it isn't our

fault

To: diabetes

> Tim snikpoh8@...> wrote:

>

> > Glad somebody mentioned heredity is a major factor

> > in whether or not we become diabetic.

>

> Indeed, but even enough so-called " professionals " ignore this fact and

> continue to blame the patient only.

>

> There are enough people who were overweight their whole life and don't

> get diabetes and this doesn't make them " better people " than overeight

> people ho become diabetic.

>

> Sometimes I think the stigma is worse than the disease itself.

>

> Best wishes

> M.

>

>

>

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Especially considering that a full 34 percent of type II diabetics were NEVER

fat! type II diabetes is caused by a gene. So it's only a matter of time

before those with the gene are going to get it.

That gene has been shown in rat studies to also cause obesity.

One theory is that the diabetes gene was a genetic adaptation to societies where

people sometimes had to do long days of labor on little food because if you

think of it, the insulin resistant muscles will open up and uptake insulin - it

just takes more to get them to do that like depletion of of the glycogen or

muscle sugar. (why exercise is such a big influence on blood sugar levels)

Cancer is in epidemic.... it kills 557,500 people per year in the USA and is

said to be (according to the American Cancer society) 80 to 85 percent

influenced by lifestyle (compare to the fact that obesity is 20-40 percent

influenced by lifestyle).

Yet when a person with cancer walks into a doctor's office, they get no blame at

all whereas a person with diabetes and/or obesity gets ALL the blame. And while

we hear about the " obesity epidemic " almost daily, the cancer epidemic killing

fully FIVE TIMES as many people as obesity supposedly kills is almost never

talked about and certainly NOT as an epidemic... isn't THAT interesting.....

Only 110,000 people per year die of obesity related diseases and the link, says

the CDC is weak or non existant between obesity and these diseases (like many

type II diabetics have never been fat including my FIL who lost both his legs

from the disease).

I agree with you - the stigma is a killer but we can change societal attitudes

by educating those around us with the scientific facts!

best,

Sue

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>>>>>>>> Indeed, but even enough so-called " professionals " ignore this fact and

continue to blame the patient only.

There are enough people who were overweight their whole life and don't

get diabetes and this doesn't make them " better people " than overeight

people ho become diabetic.

Sometimes I think the stigma is worse than the disease itself.

Best wishes

M.

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Yes, my doctor acts like I just did this to myself. Thanks for your great

insights. I am going to save them so I can read them again. Alice

ps- my maternal grandmother had diabetes.

Yet when a person with cancer walks into a doctor's office, they get no blame

at all whereas a person with diabetes and/or obesity gets ALL the blame. And

while we hear about the " obesity epidemic " almost daily, the cancer epidemic

killing fully FIVE TIMES as many people as obesity supposedly kills is almost

never talked about and certainly NOT as an epidemic... isn't THAT

interesting.....

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I do what I can to improve my doctor's ability to help

me live a full life while managing type 1 diabetes. I

prepare a list of questions, and/or observations I

have had about my diabetes management since my last

endo visit four months previously. My endo loves this

approach and we talk about the physical and the

emotional aspects of managing diabetes. Even discuss

our favorite books of late. I perceive of Dr.

Fish as a loving, caring member of my family and the

results have been tremendous. It's important to make

an emotional connection with our

endocrinologist and our primary physician.

How do you think your doctor responds to your anger at

him/her? We need to establish a helpful dialog with

our doctors about the best ways of minimizing the

damage diabetes inflicts on our lives. They are no

more at fault than you are for your condition.

Peace be with you,

Tim

--- SilverPlume1111@... wrote:

> Yes, my doctor acts like I just did this to myself.

> Thanks for your great

> insights. I am going to save them so I can read

> them again. Alice

>

> ps- my maternal grandmother had diabetes.

> Yet when a person with cancer walks into a doctor's

> office, they get no blame

> at all whereas a person with diabetes and/or obesity

> gets ALL the blame. And

> while we hear about the " obesity epidemic " almost

> daily, the cancer epidemic

> killing fully FIVE TIMES as many people as obesity

> supposedly kills is almost

> never talked about and certainly NOT as an

> epidemic... isn't THAT

> interesting.....

>

> Click here: The Liver Detoxification Pathways I

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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SueW gswidemark@...> wrote:

> Yet when a person with cancer walks into a doctor's office, they get no

> blame at all whereas a person with diabetes and/or obesity gets ALL the

> blame. And while we hear about the " obesity epidemic " almost daily, the

> cancer epidemic killing fully FIVE TIMES as many people as obesity

> supposedly kills is almost never talked about and certainly NOT as an

> epidemic... isn't THAT interesting.....

Word.

It makes me want to reach for peoples necks.

Best wishes

M.

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GlassArtist@...> wrote:

> I'm thankful to report that my two doctors don't do that. They both

> told me not to blame myself.

Yes, the doctors in the hospital were like that, too. However, the looks

in the eyes of some people is something else. I usually don't tell

people about my diabetes.

Somehow it makes me sad that I would act in another way when I would

have been diagnosed as a clear T1. However, the doctors in the hospital

only say " most likely T2 " but they still don't want to put that label on

me because obviously it's not 100% clear.

However, if you take a closer look at it, the label shouldn't matter

anyway because it takes whatever it takes to control blood sugar, if

that is insulin, then it is insulin.

It never occured to me how bad the stigma of T2 in overweight people is

- until I was diagnosed with diabetes...

Some lesson.

Best wishes

M.

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Tim snikpoh8@...> wrote:

> How do you think your doctor responds to your anger at

> him/her?

He'll call the patient " non-compliant " . :-)

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Oh that's funny... I had a doctor call me that once because I had not lost

the amount of weight he thought I should have lost. He was an endo. I quit

going to him.

Subject: Re: Re: Diabesity (YUCK)-sometimes it isn't our fault

Tim snikpoh8@...> wrote:

> How do you think your doctor responds to your anger at him/her?

He'll call the patient " non-compliant " . :-)

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Dawson GlassArtist@...> wrote:

> Oh that's funny... I had a doctor call me that once because I had not lost

> the amount of weight he thought I should have lost. He was an endo. I

> quit going to him.

I always think it's an insult to call a patient " non-compliant " if he or

she tries to lose weight and just can't make it because the addiction is

stronger.

Losing weight, quitting smoking or drinking or other drugs is something

else than taking a pill twice a day. I don't have any problems taking a

pill twice a day.

The patient is only non-compliant if he or she blows the doctor's

recommendation on purpose[1], e. g. not caring at all to even try to

lose weight or stop drinking or whatever. This includes every other

major lifestyle change that's not easy to achieve as well.

Best wishes

M.

[1] at least this is what I learned in classes, of course there are

ignorants who tell you otherwise and the only thing you can think is

" poor patients " .

[Guest guest]

" I always think it's an insult to call a patient " non-compliant " if he or

she tries to lose weight and just can't make it because the addiction is

stronger.

Losing weight, quitting smoking or drinking or other drugs is something else

than taking a pill twice a day. I don't have any problems taking a pill

twice a day. "

You're right... And I HATE that word " non-compliant " ever since.

[Guest guest]

And losing weight is the hardest of all. No one needs to smoke,or drink or

take mind altering drugs to LIVE. We all MUST eat.

98% of all diets fail. Mostly because people have a hard time altering

their pattern forever. It is not like we will get over needing food if we

just do without it for awhile. We are even seeing weight loss surgery

survivors that are gaining back their weight. Now, here they went and had

their stomachs reduced to the size of a walnut, had their guts rerouted so

they don't absorb what they can now eat, and they are gaining the weight

back. Carnie was on TV the other day complaining that some of the

previous bariatric surgery companies she was being paid to schill for would

no longer hire her because she is back up to a *gasp* size 14. Well, duh,

did she think they would continue to pay her once she started gaining back?

It was one thing when she was bearing all for playboy, but now, thank you

but no. I will never forget seeing Roseanne Barr on TV several years after

her surgery complaining that she was the only person she knew with the

stomach the size of a walnut that STILL weighed 170 pounds.

I frankly have gotten sick of the debate. I had to learn to accept myself

as I am or go nuts. Why can we believe some of us are tall, some short,

some white, some black, but we all were meant to be the same girth? This is

not to say if there is ever a " magic " pill that would make me lose weight

and not gain it back that I won't stampede over everyone to get it first.

But I am 52 and just refuse to spend one more precious moment in this

lifetime agonizing over food. If anything has helped to make me fatter it

has been the constant yo yo dieting and obsession with food.

And every one of my doctors knows this, and accepts it or they are not my

doctors.

Laurie

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Laurie,

I believe that there's a hereditary factor involved in

obesity just as there is in diabetes. Notice

generation after generation of families that are

obese.

Then there is the cultural factor. Fast food

restaurants promote low cost high carb foods. When

families took the time to prepare and enjoy breakfast

and dinner together about 35 years ago our diets were

healthier.

Diets do work in combination with regular exercise and

believing that

diets work. Please don't give up on dieting.

Tim

--- Laurie mrmossis@...> wrote:

> And losing weight is the hardest of all. No one

> needs to smoke,or drink or

> take mind altering drugs to LIVE. We all MUST eat.

>

> 98% of all diets fail. Mostly because people have a

> hard time altering

> their pattern forever. It is not like we will get

> over needing food if we

> just do without it for awhile. We are even seeing

> weight loss surgery

> survivors that are gaining back their weight. Now,

> here they went and had

> their stomachs reduced to the size of a walnut, had

> their guts rerouted so

> they don't absorb what they can now eat, and they

> are gaining the weight

> back. Carnie was on TV the other day

> complaining that some of the

> previous bariatric surgery companies she was being

> paid to schill for would

> no longer hire her because she is back up to a

> *gasp* size 14. Well, duh,

> did she think they would continue to pay her once

> she started gaining back?

> It was one thing when she was bearing all for

> playboy, but now, thank you

> but no. I will never forget seeing Roseanne Barr on

> TV several years after

> her surgery complaining that she was the only person

> she knew with the

> stomach the size of a walnut that STILL weighed 170

> pounds.

>

> I frankly have gotten sick of the debate. I had to

> learn to accept myself

> as I am or go nuts. Why can we believe some of us

> are tall, some short,

> some white, some black, but we all were meant to be

> the same girth? This is

> not to say if there is ever a " magic " pill that

> would make me lose weight

> and not gain it back that I won't stampede over

> everyone to get it first.

> But I am 52 and just refuse to spend one more

> precious moment in this

> lifetime agonizing over food. If anything has

> helped to make me fatter it

> has been the constant yo yo dieting and obsession

> with food.

>

> And every one of my doctors knows this, and accepts

> it or they are not my

> doctors.

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

>

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Laurie mrmossis@...> wrote: And losing weight is the hardest of all. No

one needs to smoke,or drink or

take mind altering drugs to LIVE. We all MUST eat.

Laurie

I couldn't agree more!!! My aunt had her stomach banded. She is supposed to

only be able to eat three oz at a time. Right after her surgery she looked like

Dolly Parton. Now she weighs almost as much as she did before.

I used to be a realtor. One of the other realtors had gastric bypass and the

Secretary was just getting ready to have surgery when I left. They kept looking

at me like " when are you going to have surgery " because I was heavier than both

of them. I said " as long as I can walk on my own,play with my dogs and make love

to my husband I will stay fat and sassy!!! " from Ohio.

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I think you have the right attitude, ,

Ive known several people who had gastric banding - and ultimately gained all the

weight back. I watched them scarf down huge meals, and their attitude was - well

I have had gastric banding.

Its not a bandaid - you do have to restrict the amount you eat, and excercise -

Re: Re: Diabesity (YUCK)-sometimes it isn't our fault

Laurie mrmossis@...> wrote: And losing weight is the hardest of all. No

one needs to smoke,or drink or

take mind altering drugs to LIVE. We all MUST eat.

Laurie

I couldn't agree more!!! My aunt had her stomach banded. She is supposed to

only be able to eat three oz at a time. Right after her surgery she looked like

Dolly Parton. Now she weighs almost as much as she did before.

I used to be a realtor. One of the other realtors had gastric bypass and the

Secretary was just getting ready to have surgery when I left. They kept looking

at me like " when are you going to have surgery " because I was heavier than both

of them. I said " as long as I can walk on my own,play with my dogs and make love

to my husband I will stay fat and sassy!!! " from Ohio.

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Boy, , I'm with you! I can see there are SOME instances where gastric

bypass or lap banding can be the salvation of a person's life - but, in MY

case - AIN'T NO WAY - It's extensive surgery that involves a LOT of

physiological modifications - routine removal of appendix and gall bladder,

resectioning of intestine, reduction of the stomach to the point where it is

(in theory, at least) impossible to consume sufficient food to prevent

malnutrition... I'll go the old fashioned way - diet and exercise.. And be

thankful that my body, while fat, still has a healthy heart, lungs, kidneys,

etc... ;oD

C

Re: Re: Diabesity (YUCK)-sometimes it isn't our fault

Laurie net> wrote: And losing

weight is the hardest of all. No one needs to smoke,or drink or

take mind altering drugs to LIVE. We all MUST eat.

Laurie

I couldn't agree more!!! My aunt had her stomach banded. She is supposed to

only be able to eat three oz at a time. Right after her surgery she looked

like Dolly Parton. Now she weighs almost as much as she did before.

I used to be a realtor. One of the other realtors had gastric bypass and the

Secretary was just getting ready to have surgery when I left. They kept

looking at me like " when are you going to have surgery " because I was

heavier than both of them. I said " as long as I can walk on my own,play with

my dogs and make love to my husband I will stay fat and sassy!!! " from

Ohio.

[Guest guest]

They can do all this mucking around inside us and can't figure out a way to

beat diabetes? amazing!

JUDITH

> case - AIN'T NO WAY - It's extensive surgery that involves a LOT of

> physiological modifications - routine removal of appendix and gall

bladder,

> resectioning of intestine, reduction of the stomach to the point where it

is

> (in theory, at least) impossible to consume sufficient food to prevent

> malnutrition...

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" I couldn't agree more!!! My aunt had her stomach banded. She is supposed to

only be able to eat three oz at a time. Right after her surgery she looked

like Dolly Parton. Now she weighs almost as much as she did before "

Can you imagine talking yourself into the surgery, having it done, spending

the money (or begging the insurance company to pay for it) and after the

" honeymoon " period gaining the weight back?

Tim writes:

" Diets do work in combination with regular exercise and

believing that

diets work. Please don't give up on dieting. "

No, Tim, saying diets work does not make it so. No one would choose to be

fat or gay. Both are treated terribly in this day and age. So, I say

again, and have the proof to back it up, diets don't work, because if they

did, we would have no fat people. And I know you probably think you are

being kind by asking me not to give up on dieting, but frankly, until modern

science comes up with nothing short of a miracle drug, I will remain

unapologetically F A T. It is part of who I am.

Laurie

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C said

" Boy, , I'm with you! I can see there are SOME instances where gastric

bypass or lap banding can be the salvation of a person's life - but, in MY

case - AIN'T NO WAY - It's extensive surgery that involves a LOT of

physiological modifications - routine removal of appendix and gall bladder,

resectioning of intestine, reduction of the stomach to the point where it is

(in theory, at least) impossible to consume sufficient food to prevent

malnutrition... I'll go the old fashioned way - diet and exercise.. And be

thankful that my body, while fat, still has a healthy heart, lungs, kidneys,

etc... ;oD "

I personally have had 3 friends die from the surgery. One a 30 something

mother of 3 kids never left the hospital. All three were fine before the

surgery. Fat yes, sick no. The surgery has the highest death rate of any

elective surgery.

Laurie

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but frankly, until modern science comes up with nothing short of a miracle

drug, I will remain unapologetically F A T. It is part of who I am.

Laurie

Me too Laurie. ---