Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Dr. Krin, When writing my post I assumed that the proper legal proceedings would take place including sound legal defense, an impartial jury and all the requisite other components. To be more clear, after all of the above, if this young man is found responsible then which of the two scenarios is more likely? I would like to say that I believe a request to change the venue would only serve to irritate the judge. On a side note, as a former cop I have first hand experience in how the judicial system operates and believe that, in theory, our system is a sound one. In practice, however, is where we break down. But that is another thread. Finally, let us remember that said young suspect has allegedly confessed his role in the incident. I can only assume that this was done of his own free will, without coercion, and will be fully admissable as evidence at trial. In fact, in his defense, it could be used to show remorse. I'm as objective a person as can be found but his admission starts to change the color of the landscape just a bit. That is hard to argue. Regards, J. Reeves --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Often times cybersarcasm is missed. Really? I didn't know that. Cheers, reeveo --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Well, , you've got it right, as I also predicted last night. You predicted that I would be right? And you did that last night? Impressive. So what else did you predict? .... reeveo --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 In a message dated 3/4/2007 9:21:24 AM Central Standard Time, wolfbricks@... writes: Dr. Krin, When writing my post I assumed that the proper legal proceedings would take place including sound legal defense, an impartial jury and all the requisite other components. To be more clear, after all of the above, if this young man is found responsible then which of the two scenarios is more likely? I would like to say that I believe a request to change the venue would only serve to irritate the judge. ck: I agree with you in that. While 'paying one's debt to society and returning to the arms of society' is nice in principle, a good argument can be made that the system is broken, at least partially due to the cost of 'The War on [some] Drugs,' and that many criminals come out of their prison terms worse goblins than they went in. I'm also less than sanguine that this kid will end up in a program that will assist him in understanding his personal problems and controlling them, much less a program that will actually make him understand that he's got to be housebroken in order to freely circulate in modern society. On a side note, as a former cop I have first hand experience in how the judicial system operates and believe that, in theory, our system is a sound one. In practice, however, is where we break down. But that is another thread. Finally, let us remember that said young suspect has allegedly confessed his role in the incident. I can only assume that this was done of his own free will, without coercion, and will be fully admissable as evidence at trial. In fact, in his defense, it could be used to show remorse. I'm as objective a person as can be found but his admission starts to change the color of the landscape just a bit. That is hard to argue. ck: I've had my own share of experience with the system, partially as a Deputy Coroner and POST certified reserve Deputy, and partially as an expert witness for a couple of the local judges and lawyers when I was in clinical practice. If there is ANY question about the perp's sanity, a good defense lawyer can spin his 'alleged confession' as obtained 'under severe duress while this sterling young man was being deprived of his right to counsel', and manage to get a jury to swallow that whole cloth (and do so even when the prosecutor documents that the defense lawyer had been present during the interview and assisted the boy in writing up the statement!). Probably, the good folks of Tarrant County are more sophisticated than the mostly rural folks from Louisiana that I've spent almost 20 years working with, but I was in the POST class as the former football star was tried for the murder of his ex wife and her bf...and we dissected much of that in detail, including the mistakes of the prosecutors and police evidence handlers. I've also seen some recent reaction on a couple of other groups where the consensus seemed to be pushing the limits of our Constitution, so maybe I'm a bit more sensitized to the factors right now... In any case, if the confession holds up, and the judge does his/her job properly, I hope that the young perp does time to fit the crime AND makes appropriate restitution to the man he egregiously injured. ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Thanks Jules. My patient care is extremely objective, my personal opinions? Perhaps not so objective, but then again, they don't have to be either.:-) Hope you thaw soon, we are almost halfway to the conference.:-) Mike From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of jkaymdc@... Hatfield FF/EMT-P write: >>> Often times cybersarcasm is missed. No hon...it came through loud and clear...but then I'm buried under a couple feet of snow and Ice, so I'm gullible..<G> jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 LMAO, although I did catch that tid bit there.:-) Re: They caught the guy. Often times cybersarcasm is missed. Really? I didn't know that. Cheers, reeveo --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Surely you jest! GG > > Often times cybersarcasm is missed. > > > Really? I didn't know that. > > Cheers, > > reeveo > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > hotel bargains. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 No, not jesting, and stop calling me Shirley... Re: Re: They caught the guy. Surely you jest! GG In a message dated 3/4/07 11:10:54 AM, wolfbricks (AT) yahoo (DOT) <mailto:wolfbricks%40yahoo.com> com writes: > > Often times cybersarcasm is missed. > > > Really? I didn't know that. > > Cheers, > > reeveo > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > hotel bargains. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Im glad that the Paramedic Did not get hurt more severe or worse its to bad that young man had to have been that stupid to have done that! That was a dumb ass mistake The sad part is the lives he was putting in jeopardy to take his frustration out on the other poor citizens of the Community I hope that he gets his ass sent to jail for quite awhile so he can see what its like to be the one going through crap, If the Paramedic who got hurt ever reads this I am glad Sir that you did not get hurt anymore than you did I hope that you make a full recovery You Paramedics do a great job helping other people and doing your awesome skills Just to get a pay back like that its not right nor fair and I hope they give him the Maxim sentence instead of just giving him a pat on the back! God Bless and stay safe and good luck on your quick and swift recovery thanks. Hatfield wrote: No, not jesting, and stop calling me Shirley... Re: Re: They caught the guy. Surely you jest! GG In a message dated 3/4/07 11:10:54 AM, wolfbricks (AT) yahoo (DOT) <mailto:wolfbricks%40yahoo.com> com writes: > > Often times cybersarcasm is missed. > > > Really? I didn't know that. > > Cheers, > > reeveo > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > hotel bargains. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 The 'Castle Doctrine' is in the Texas Legislature also & most likely will pass. As Missouri's & several other states similar law will prevent criminal prosecution or civil suits in a self defense situation. _____ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of krin135@... Sent: Saturday, 03 March, 2007 21:46 To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Re: They caught the guy. In a message dated 3/3/2007 9:36:38 PM Central Standard Time, Wegandy1938 writes: As to the ACLU's stand on the right of self defense, I am firmly in favor of the right of self defense, and I am firmly against the laws that are on the books in lots of states, but are now being questioned, that require one who is threatened to retreat, unreasonably, in my mind, before using deadly force against a predator. for the record, it seems that Missouri will soon have a 'castle doctrine' law on its books to protect folks who successfully defend themselves against such goblins...it will preempt both criminal prosecution and civil suits against those folks. ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol. <http://www.aol.com.> com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Hey folks, TODAY is my first day back at work since the accident!!!! I first wanted to say thank you for including me in all of your thoughts and prayers during this recent hardship. Secondly, I am also thankfull that everything turned out alot better than it could have. One small move or one small change in the situation, and I could have easily been killed. I am thankful that my wife did not have to be contacted to advise her that her husband that the father of her children had been killed. OK, now that is all of the mushy stuff. As time goes on, I find myself becoming more and more sympathetic toward this " thug " and the mistake that he made. I am still very frustrated with the whole situation, but the worst thing that came out of all of this is one hell of a scar (and a little pain, fractured skull, you know...no big deal). Things could have been very different, and those of you that know me understand my true feelings in regards to the punishment of this young man upon his conviction. Once again, thanks for everything. You don't always realize, and sometimes take for granted, the amount of caring people that are in our profession. But, isn't that why we do what we do??? Donnie Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Welcome back Donnie. Glad to see you back! -Wes Ogilvie Re: They caught the guy. Hey folks, TODAY is my first day back at work since the accident!!!! I first wanted to say thank you for including me in all of your thoughts and prayers during this recent hardship. Secondly, I am also thankfull that everything turned out alot better than it could have. One small move or one small change in the situation, and I could have easily been killed. I am thankful that my wife did not have to be contacted to advise her that her husband that the father of her children had been killed. OK, now that is all of the mushy stuff. As time goes on, I find myself becoming more and more sympathetic toward this " thug " and the mistake that he made. I am still very frustrated with the whole situation, but the worst thing that came out of all of this is one hell of a scar (and a little pain, fractured skull, you know...no big deal). Things could have been very different, and those of you that know me understand my true feelings in regards to the punishment of this young man upon his conviction. Once again, thanks for everything. You don't always realize, and sometimes take for granted, the amount of caring people that are in our profession. But, isn't that why we do what we do??? Donnie Stone ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Welcome back, Donnie. Gene Gandy > > Hey folks, > > TODAY is my first day back at work since the accident!!!! > > I first wanted to say thank you for including me in all of your > thoughts and prayers during this recent hardship. Secondly, I am > also thankfull that everything turned out alot better than it could > have. One small move or one small change in the situation, and I > could have easily been killed. I am thankful that my wife did not > have to be contacted to advise her that her husband that the father > of her children had been killed. OK, now that is all of the mushy > stuff. > > As time goes on, I find myself becoming more and more sympathetic > toward this " thug " and the mistake that he made. I am still very > frustrated with the whole situation, but the worst thing that came > out of all of this is one hell of a scar (and a little pain, > fractured skull, you know...no big deal). Things could have been > very different, and those of you that know me understand my true > feelings in regards to the punishment of this young man upon his > conviction. > > Once again, thanks for everything. You don't always realize, and > sometimes take for granted, the amount of caring people that are in > our profession. But, isn't that why we do what we do??? > > Donnie Stone > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Hey there Donnie you make good point but everyone knows a skull fracture in a Medic is a non injury Seriously, glad it all worked out and I hope you know that the whole of the Texas EMS community was on your side! LNM Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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