Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 E------------My results are in from my Dec. 1 labwork. MEDS: switched to Armour Thyroid 90 mg. (1.5 grain) on Oct. 5 and slowly upped it to 145 mg. (1-1/2 pill) = 2.25 grains LABS from Dec 01, 2006: TSH: .53 range .30-3.5 <----fine by me T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher – has not budged in YEARS. Previous labs Oct. 4 were: Med: 100 Levoxyl; 15 mcg CYtomel TSH: .81 range .30-3.5 <--felt GREAT at this T3F: 391 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher I have called in a request for 120 mg of Armour 2 grains AND 25 mcg Levo t4 straight up. This way I can hopefully raise my T4F.....and can get this metabolism kicking. Tired of getting fat for no reason Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 JustYourTypeDTP wrote: E------------My results are in from my Dec. 1 labwork.MEDS: switched to Armour Thyroid 90 mg. (1.5 grain) on Oct. 5 and slowly upped it to 145 mg. (1-1/2 pill) = 2.25 grainsLABS from Dec 01, 2006:TSH: .53 range .30-3.5 <----fine by me T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high levelT4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher – has not budged in YEARS. Previous labs Oct. 4 were:Med: 100 Levoxyl; 15 mcg CYtomelTSH: .81 range .30-3.5 <--felt GREAT at thisT3F: 391 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high levelT4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher I have called in a request for 120 mg of Armour 2 grains AND 25 mcg Levo t4 straight up.This way I can hopefully raise my T4F.....and can get this metabolism kicking.Tired of getting fat for no reason :(Sue Sue: THANKS..for posting. I like your spunk....and your plan to add some t4. .9 is awful low if you ask me. I'd expect to have trouble with weight and with vertigo or headaches. Many folks are happy with at least a 1.4 on that scale. I'm at a 1.5 and I am feeling like its too low for me. My friend is at a 1.6 and feels like that is too low...and now she has added in some t4. You are looking to cut back 25 mgs of Armour at the same time? That should be perfectly okay...I should think. Interesting that your t4 is flat. I expected you to lose ground there...not stay flat. AT least I was right..that it wouldn't go up! LOL:) Do you ever feel hyperish...insomnia...too hot or edgy? What is your temp like? Are you still taking the selenium? ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op. Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Just wondering how you feel as before you got ANY meds? Do you feel 20% better, 60% better? Do these meds help at all? =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 E, I have problems with weight, vertigo AND headaches. Will YOU be my doctor? I have been more edgy on the armour. I do feel hot more often than not. I am sleeping very very well, almost 8 hours a night and never much run out of steam, so that’s cool. My temp is about 98.4 I no longer take Selenium. What I am doing now is making bone broth soup from soup bones. I boil it for 24 hours, adding in garlic, onion and potatoe and carrots, etc and then sip on that during the afternoon. My “hair test lady” who does my hair mineral test analysis told me to do this to get lots of protein and other good stuff. Here’s a link to just how good this bone broth is for us. http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm And believe me, I don’t bake, fry, or even boil much and I love making this stuff.....! Keep reading and scrolling down to see all the symptoms it helps with, it’s like a “superfood”. I hope it helps with my adrenals as well. Yes, I plan to add 25 mcg of levoxyl and drop 30 mg off the armour since I need my med in T4 not T3 at this point....... I could just take on the t4 but feel I may get hyper – but I will, as always, play it by ear and “tweak.” sue JustYourTypeDTP wrote: E------------My results are in from my Dec. 1 labwork. MEDS: switched to Armour Thyroid 90 mg. (1.5 grain) on Oct. 5 and slowly upped it to 145 mg. (1-1/2 pill) = 2.25 grains LABS from Dec 01, 2006: TSH: .53 range .30-3.5 <----fine by me T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher ˆ has not budged in YEARS. Previous labs Oct. 4 were: Med: 100 Levoxyl; 15 mcg CYtomel TSH: .81 range .30-3.5 <--felt GREAT at this T3F: 391 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher I have called in a request for 120 mg of Armour 2 grains AND 25 mcg Levo t4 straight up. This way I can hopefully raise my T4F.....and can get this metabolism kicking. Tired of getting fat for no reason Sue Sue: THANKS..for posting. I like your spunk....and your plan to add some t4. ..9 is awful low if you ask me. I'd expect to have trouble with weight and with vertigo or headaches. Many folks are happy with at least a 1.4 on that scale. I'm at a 1.5 and I am feeling like its too low for me. My friend is at a 1.6 and feels like that is too low...and now she has added in some t4. You are looking to cut back 25 mgs of Armour at the same time? That should be perfectly okay...I should think. Interesting that your t4 is flat. I expected you to lose ground there...not stay flat. AT least I was right..that it wouldn't go up! LOL:) Do you ever feel hyperish...insomnia...too hot or edgy? What is your temp like? Are you still taking the selenium? ~E:) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 I've heard that that's why homemade chicken soup is so good for you. Boiling those whole pieces of chicken gets all those nutrients from the bones that you'd otherwise miss. I make a big pot of it occasionally, and it's so yummy and satisfying. Re: to E my labs are in E,I have problems with weight, vertigo AND headaches. Will YOU be my doctor?I have been more edgy on the armour.I do feel hot more often than not.I am sleeping very very well, almost 8 hours a night and never much run out of steam, so that’s cool.My temp is about 98.4I no longer take Selenium.What I am doing now is making bone broth soup from soup bones. I boil it for 24 hours, adding in garlic, onion and potatoe and carrots, etc and then sip on that during the afternoon.My “hair test lady” who does my hair mineral test analysis told me to do this to get lots of protein and other good stuff. Here’s a link to just how good this bone broth is for us. http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm And believe me, I don’t bake, fry, or even boil much and I love making this stuff.....! Keep reading and scrolling down to see all the symptoms it helps with, it’s like a “superfood”.I hope it helps with my adrenals as well.Yes, I plan to add 25 mcg of levoxyl and drop 30 mg off the armour since I need my med in T4 not T3 at this point....... I could just take on the t4 but feel I may get hyper – but I will, as always, play it by ear and “tweak.”sueOn 12/7/06 5:40 PM, "E Gillespie" <lyongillespie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: JustYourTypeDTP <justyourtypedtp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: E------------My results are in from my Dec. 1 labwork.MEDS: switched to Armour Thyroid 90 mg. (1.5 grain) on Oct. 5 and slowly upped it to 145 mg. (1-1/2 pill) = 2.25 grainsLABS from Dec 01, 2006:TSH: .53 range .30-3.5 <----fine by me T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high levelT4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher ˆ has not budged in YEARS. Previous labs Oct. 4 were:Med: 100 Levoxyl; 15 mcg CYtomelTSH: .81 range .30-3.5 <--felt GREAT at thisT3F: 391 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high levelT4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher I have called in a request for 120 mg of Armour 2 grains AND 25 mcg Levo t4 straight up.This way I can hopefully raise my T4F.....and can get this metabolism kicking.Tired of getting fat for no reason :(Sue Sue: THANKS..for posting. I like your spunk....and your plan to add some t4. .9 is awful low if you ask me. I'd expect to have trouble with weight and with vertigo or headaches. Many folks are happy with at least a 1.4 on that scale. I'm at a 1.5 and I am feeling like its too low for me. My friend is at a 1.6 and feels like that is too low...and now she has added in some t4. You are looking to cut back 25 mgs of Armour at the same time? That should be perfectly okay...I should think. Interesting that your t4 is flat. I expected you to lose ground there...not stay flat. AT least I was right..that it wouldn't go up! LOL:) Do you ever feel hyperish...insomnia...too hot or edgy? What is your temp like? Are you still taking the selenium? ~E:) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Check out the link ---I have been “on the broth” for about two weeks and feel 5 years younger, just better overall somehow. This will help with nails, hair, and sooo much more. It’s awesome stuff, warms you up and just is a “feel good” thing to sip on. What day is it and time is it in Japan right now? Sue I've heard that that's why homemade chicken soup is so good for you. Boiling those whole pieces of chicken gets all those nutrients from the bones that you'd otherwise miss. I make a big pot of it occasionally, and it's so yummy and satisfying. Re: to E my labs are in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 JustYourTypeDTP wrote: E,I have problems with weight, vertigo AND headaches. Will YOU be my doctor?I have been more edgy on the armour.I do feel hot more often than not.I am sleeping very very well, almost 8 hours a night and never much run out of steam, so that’s cool.My temp is about 98.4 . Sue: Well..that confirms it...Your plan to tweak the t4 up and the t3 down looks like a good one. You should get improvements in temperature, headaches, weight, vertigo and serenity. I just can't wait to see how this develops... ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op. Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 > > E------------My results are in from my Dec. 1 labwork. > > MEDS: switched to Armour Thyroid 90 mg. (1.5 grain) on Oct. 5 and slowly > upped it to 145 mg. (1-1/2 pill) = 2.25 grains > LABS from Dec 01, 2006: > > TSH: .53 range .30-3.5 <----fine by me > T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level > T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher has not budged in > YEARS. > > > > Previous labs Oct. 4 were: > > Med: 100 Levoxyl; 15 mcg CYtomel > > > > TSH: .81 range .30-3.5 <--felt GREAT at this > > T3F: 391 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level > > T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher > I have called in a request for 120 mg of Armour 2 grains AND 25 mcg Levo t4 > straight up. > This way I can hopefully raise my T4F.....and can get this metabolism > kicking. > Tired of getting fat for no reason > Sue > Throwing some numbers at you..just so you can see... previous meds.. 100 mcg of T4.........15 mcg of T3.. Oct. 5th....... 57 mcg of T4.........13.5 mcg of T3 Now............ 85.5 mcg of T4.........20.25 mcg of T3 Switching to... 101 mcg of T4.........18 mcg of T3.. No comment on the med change..just throwing the numbers out at you to give you a clear picture of what you are doing.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 The only trouble about doing it this way, Sue, is that, when you drop off 30 mgs of the Armour, you will also be dropping off 19 mcgs of T4 and simply trading it in for 25 mcgs of synthetic T4. This is one of the dilemmas that I had taking mostly Armour, with a LITTLE T4. You will actually be beginning to get only 6 more mcgs of the T4, which is not enough to get you out of that low low T4. With that low a T4, I would be grossly COLD, and I was that way, even with a much much higher Free T3, at one time. It was when I made most of it mostly T4 in my testing that I regained my warmth. Different bodies. It was as though my body was always "barely on the edge" of trying to catch up, so I was also converting my T4 to T3 much more rapidly, as though my body thought that "there's never going to be enough T4 here to convert, so we must convert very rapidly". Don't know whether that makes sense or whether I said it very well. Re: to E my labs are in E,I have problems with weight, vertigo AND headaches. Will YOU be my doctor?I have been more edgy on the armour.I do feel hot more often than not.I am sleeping very very well, almost 8 hours a night and never much run out of steam, so that’s cool.My temp is about 98.4I no longer take Selenium.What I am doing now is making bone broth soup from soup bones. I boil it for 24 hours, adding in garlic, onion and potatoe and carrots, etc and then sip on that during the afternoon.My “hair test lady” who does my hair mineral test analysis told me to do this to get lots of protein and other good stuff. Here’s a link to just how good this bone broth is for us. http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm And believe me, I don’t bake, fry, or even boil much and I love making this stuff.....! Keep reading and scrolling down to see all the symptoms it helps with, it’s like a “superfood”.I hope it helps with my adrenals as well.Yes, I plan to add 25 mcg of levoxyl and drop 30 mg off the armour since I need my med in T4 not T3 at this point....... I could just take on the t4 but feel I may get hyper – but I will, as always, play it by ear and “tweak.”sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 E........ I think we are on to something...i had no idea headaches, weight and vertigo were a T4 thing, I just thought they were.......normal........ Funny how we can get so used to something it does come to be normal........... wow JustYourTypeDTP wrote: E, I have problems with weight, vertigo AND headaches. Will YOU be my doctor? I have been more edgy on the armour. I do feel hot more often than not. I am sleeping very very well, almost 8 hours a night and never much run out of steam, so that’s cool. My temp is about 98.4 .. Sue: Well..that confirms it...Your plan to tweak the t4 up and the t3 down looks like a good one. You should get improvements in temperature, headaches, weight, vertigo and serenity. I just can't wait to see how this develops... <http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZC> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Yes, thanks I did the math too and it looks PERFECT for what I want to do---raise the T4 and keep the t3 about status quo. Looks good to me sue > > E------------My results are in from my Dec. 1 labwork. > > MEDS: switched to Armour Thyroid 90 mg. (1.5 grain) on Oct. 5 and slowly > upped it to 145 mg. (1-1/2 pill) = 2.25 grains > LABS from Dec 01, 2006: > > TSH: .53 range .30-3.5 <----fine by me > T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level > T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher – has not budged in > YEARS. > > > > Previous labs Oct. 4 were: > > Med: 100 Levoxyl; 15 mcg CYtomel > > > > TSH: .81 range .30-3.5 <--felt GREAT at this > > T3F: 391 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level > > T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher > I have called in a request for 120 mg of Armour 2 grains AND 25 mcg Levo t4 > straight up. > This way I can hopefully raise my T4F.....and can get this metabolism > kicking. > Tired of getting fat for no reason > Sue > Throwing some numbers at you..just so you can see... previous meds.. 100 mcg of T4.........15 mcg of T3.. Oct. 5th....... 57 mcg of T4.........13.5 mcg of T3 Now............ 85.5 mcg of T4.........20.25 mcg of T3 Switching to... 101 mcg of T4.........18 mcg of T3.. No comment on the med change..just throwing the numbers out at you to give you a clear picture of what you are doing.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Thing is I am warm and sweaty now... And full of energy. What I need is more t4 and less t3 --- and I when I was at 100/15 I felt fine and was able to lose weight but I wanted to try the armour........ So I am basically back to square 1.... sue The only trouble about doing it this way, Sue, is that, when you drop off 30 mgs of the Armour, you will also be dropping off 19 mcgs of T4 and simply trading it in for 25 mcgs of synthetic T4. This is one of the dilemmas that I had taking mostly Armour, with a LITTLE T4. You will actually be beginning to get only 6 more mcgs of the T4, which is not enough to get you out of that low low T4. With that low a T4, I would be grossly COLD, and I was that way, even with a much much higher Free T3, at one time. It was when I made most of it mostly T4 in my testing that I regained my warmth. Different bodies. It was as though my body was always " barely on the edge " of trying to catch up, so I was also converting my T4 to T3 much more rapidly, as though my body thought that " there's never going to be enough T4 here to convert, so we must convert very rapidly " . Don't know whether that makes sense or whether I said it very well. Re: to E my labs are in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 I like it this way and it’s not 6mcg more it’s 16 more mcg T4 and that’s a good starting point... Then I can add bit of T4 in if needed and I should be where I need to be... Once I get that done, I will work on this metabolism from other angles.... I am eliminating carbs and sugar but it’s tough...not psychologically but I am getting moody and headaches.... sue The only trouble about doing it this way, Sue, is that, when you drop off 30 mgs of the Armour, you will also be dropping off 19 mcgs of T4 and simply trading it in for 25 mcgs of synthetic T4. This is one of the dilemmas that I had taking mostly Armour, with a LITTLE T4. You will actually be beginning to get only 6 more mcgs of the T4, which is not enough to get you out of that low low T4. With that low a T4, I would be grossly COLD, and I was that way, even with a much much higher Free T3, at one time. It was when I made most of it mostly T4 in my testing that I regained my warmth. Different bodies. It was as though my body was always " barely on the edge " of trying to catch up, so I was also converting my T4 to T3 much more rapidly, as though my body thought that " there's never going to be enough T4 here to convert, so we must convert very rapidly " . Don't know whether that makes sense or whether I said it very well. Re: to E my labs are in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 JustYourTypeDTP wrote: Yes, thanks I did the math too and it looks PERFECT for what I want to do---raise the T4 and keep the t3 about status quo.Looks good to me :)sue Sue: You are gonna want to keep your eyes peeled for a clash...or feeligns of hyper. EVERY combo is different...and there is no way to know for sure that you won't get a little edgy. I am fairly sure you will be feelng fine though!!! ~E:) On 12/7/06 11:23 PM, "kats3boys" <kats3boys (AT) yahoo (DOT) ca> wrote: >> E------------My results are in from my Dec. 1 labwork.> > MEDS: switched to Armour Thyroid 90 mg. (1.5 grain) on Oct. 5 and slowly> upped it to 145 mg. (1-1/2 pill) = 2.25 grains> LABS from Dec 01, 2006:> > TSH: .53 range .30-3.5 <----fine by me > T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level> T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher – has not budged in> YEARS.> > > > Previous labs Oct. 4 were:> > Med: 100 Levoxyl; 15 mcg CYtomel> > > > TSH: .81 range .30-3.5 <--felt GREAT at this> > T3F: 391 range: 230-420 <--LOVE the high level> > T4F: .9 range: .8-2.8 <--wish there were higher> I have called in a request for 120 mg of Armour 2 grains AND 25 mcg Levo t4> straight up.> This way I can hopefully raise my T4F.....and can get this metabolism> kicking.> Tired of getting fat for no reason > Sue>Throwing some numbers at you..just so you can see...previous meds.. 100 mcg of T4.........15 mcg of T3..Oct. 5th....... 57 mcg of T4.........13.5 mcg of T3Now............ 85.5 mcg of T4.........20.25 mcg of T3Switching to... 101 mcg of T4.........18 mcg of T3..No comment on the med change..just throwing the numbers out at you to give you a clear picture of what you are doing..Kats3boys TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op. Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Thanks e, if I get edgy, I get edgy...... The math adds up to what I was on with the levo/cyto but it’s about 1/4 the cost. I am amazed I got it dead on the same as the levo/cyto on my own. The doc wrote me a note, “I am confused, please call my nurse and let her know what you are taking...” Lol I always freak her out cuz she prescribes me and tells me “no changes for 8 weeks” and off I go. Then comes blood work time and I have to ‘fess up” that I tweaked it. When she started me on 90mg armour I KNEW it was too little on day one. My joints ached, I was tired and cold. I upped it about 30 mg every two weeks til I stopped at 145 mg and stayed there for a month and got the same blood levels...from eight weeks ago, how cool is that? sue JustYourTypeDTP wrote: Yes, thanks I did the math too and it looks PERFECT for what I want to do---raise the T4 and keep the t3 about status quo. Looks good to me sue Sue: You are gonna want to keep your eyes peeled for a clash...or feeligns of hyper. EVERY combo is different...and there is no way to know for sure that you won't get a little edgy. I am fairly sure you will be feelng fine though!!! ~E:) > .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 JustYourTypeDTP wrote: I upped it about 30 mg every two weeks til I stopped at 145 mg and stayed there for a month and got the same blood levels...from eight weeks ago, how cool is that?sue THAT is WAAAAY cool! . ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 > > > previous meds.. 100 mcg of T4.........15 mcg of T3.. > > Switching to... 101 mcg of T4.........18 mcg of T3.. > > Thinking out loud but between 100 and 101 not thinking much of a change on your T4..T3 is up by 3mcg but thinking once you level out at 25 mcg of T4 you should be feeling the same before you started Armour and playing with meds. 50 mcg might be a better option or at least a better option to increase to 6 weeks after on the 25mcg. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Yes, I totally agree with your thinking/ I don’t like being at the low end range. When I was on straight levo my T34 was actually higher and in mid range. I plan to increase to 50 mcg levo if the T4F doesn’t move much on the new mix. I finally caught on to the math of this though. Took me awhile LOL, thanks for all your effort... sue > > > previous meds.. 100 mcg of T4.........15 mcg of T3.. > > Switching to... 101 mcg of T4.........18 mcg of T3.. > > Thinking out loud but between 100 and 101 not thinking much of a change on your T4..T3 is up by 3mcg but thinking once you level out at 25 mcg of T4 you should be feeling the same before you started Armour and playing with meds. 50 mcg might be a better option or at least a better option to increase to 6 weeks after on the 25mcg. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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