Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving up!!!

December 6, 2006

>

> Hi, all,

>

> I have a slightly different take on the T3 subject. I, too, took

T3 with

> Synthroid for awhile. And for awhile, it worked. But then, it

stopped giving me

> any benefit and I eventually stopped T3 altogether and am now just

on

> Synthroid. I talked to my endocrinologist about this, and she

said that there's a

> growing opinion among thyroid docs that T3's effectiveness does

stop eventually.

> They don't know why. I'll be very interested to see any studies

that they

> might do, but I was relieved that, at least, I wasn't unusual.

>

> Maureen Pratt

> www.maureenpratt.com

>

See my take is close but a little different.. A lot of times some on

is left too hypo..the body no longer knows what to do with T3..when

you add the T3 you feel better..but as your body adjusts to having

T3 and having T3 at the cellular level it begins to heal and learns

how to convert to T3 and how to use T3..your demands for direct T3

become less and your body sends you on another rollercoaster

thinking it is in excess.

Kats3boys

December 6, 2006

> >

> > Hi, all,

> >

> > I have a slightly different take on the T3 subject. I, too, took

> T3 with

> > Synthroid for awhile. And for awhile, it worked. But then, it

> stopped giving me

> > any benefit and I eventually stopped T3 altogether and am now

just

> on

> > Synthroid. I talked to my endocrinologist about this, and she

> said that there's a

> > growing opinion among thyroid docs that T3's effectiveness does

> stop eventually.

> > They don't know why. I'll be very interested to see any studies

> that they

> > might do, but I was relieved that, at least, I wasn't unusual.

> >

> > Maureen Pratt

> > www.maureenpratt.com

> >

>

> See my take is close but a little different.. A lot of times some

on

> is left too hypo..the body no longer knows what to do with T3..when

> you add the T3 you feel better..but as your body adjusts to having

> T3 and having T3 at the cellular level it begins to heal and learns

> how to convert to T3 and how to use T3..your demands for direct T3

> become less and your body sends you on another rollercoaster

> thinking it is in excess.

>

> Kats3boys

>

i don't really understand what all that means about the t3, it just

confuses me more. i don't know what i should be taking!right now the

t3 atleast has me stable and not reaching for my 357. i am still

disconnected and depressed, but it helps with the suicidal

thoughts.it just seems hopeless. i've been like this mentally for 2

years, and have been on thyroid meds for the last 8 months. another

christmas is coming and i'm still not out of this depression. how

much longer can i go like this????

December 6, 2006

kats3boys wrote: See my take is close but a little different.. A lot of times some on is left too hypo..the body no longer knows what to do with T3..when you add the T3 you feel better..but as your body adjusts to having T3 and having T3 at the cellular level it begins to heal and learns how to convert to T3 and how to use T3..your demands for direct T3 become less and your body sends you on another rollercoaster thinking it is in excess.Kats3boys AAAH...Kats...you are a sly one. GREAT analysis. LOVE it! ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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December 7, 2006

> >

> > Hi, all,

> >

> > I have a slightly different take on the T3 subject. I, too, took

> T3 with

> > Synthroid for awhile. And for awhile, it worked. But then, it

> stopped giving me

> > any benefit and I eventually stopped T3 altogether and am now

just

> on

> > Synthroid. I talked to my endocrinologist about this, and she

> said that there's a

> > growing opinion among thyroid docs that T3's effectiveness does

> stop eventually.

> > They don't know why. I'll be very interested to see any studies

> that they

> > might do, but I was relieved that, at least, I wasn't unusual.

> >

> > Maureen Pratt

> > www.maureenpratt.com

> >

>

That's the telling piece, right there. When a doctor tells you, with

a straight face, " We don't know why " , then you RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

If you went to any other profession, and asked them why, 90 percent

of the time, they can give you a supportable explanation. " Thus and

so " occurs because of the force applied to the piston, or " We know

this brand is popular because of the direct mail response rate " .

The medical community had better understand its subject well enough

to DOCUMENT and PROVE their wild assertions, otherwise, they are

unsupported and unjustifiable OPINIONS. With no more weight or

substance than the necromancers and potionologists of yesteryear.

I can at least give you a coherent explanation why " T3's effects tend

to diminish over time. " Because pharmaceutical companies have a

vested interest in doctors believing that.

Unless and until a subject is understood by its own practitioners,

WELL ENOUGH for them to explain to you WHY IT IS SO, you have little

more than blind people leading other blind people.

December 7, 2006

You've only been on thyroid meds for the last 8 months or so? This is not

enough time for the healing to take place to a body that has evidently been

damaged by hypo, etc......I'm not saying that you are on the correct dosage,

but that, if it took all this time to create all this damage, how can it

take only a few months to repair it all?? I'm not saying to settle for very

little, I'm just saying that there is no magic " cure " for some of the real

grave damage that thyroid disease can do. Also, none of us has any way of

knowing everything that's up here, i.e., have you listed all of your intake

of all meds, nutrients, morning to dusk intake of EVERYthing, are you

hypoglycemic, etc....??? Are you on your own or do you have a spouse or

someone that you can talk to at home or anyone else? We are here for you

too, and it may ALL be thyroid disease. I suspect that a whole lot of it

is, as I've been in the mental state you are in. Believe me, it IS like

looking back at " someone else " and saying WHO was THAT!

Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving

up!!!

> i don't really understand what all that means about the t3, it just

> confuses me more. i don't know what i should be taking!right now the

> t3 atleast has me stable and not reaching for my 357. i am still

> disconnected and depressed, but it helps with the suicidal

> thoughts.it just seems hopeless. i've been like this mentally for 2

> years, and have been on thyroid meds for the last 8 months. another

> christmas is coming and i'm still not out of this depression. how

> much longer can i go like this????

December 7, 2006

You are absolutely right there. I can't believe this particular doctor's

reply as in " we don't know why " , that just isn't so. I HAD an experience

with taking all Armour at 2 grains, when I'd already been on that dose for

at least 4 months or so, when I'd SLOWLY raised the dose over a yr's time

(that's how careful I was), all the way from starting at 30 mgs or so,

slowly lowering my T4 in small increments, etc.......leaving the dose there

for the 6 to 8 wks or so, but still, when I had held at that 120 mg dose a

yr or so later, all of a sudden here comes (and I DO mean sudden!) a

heartrate of 160 bpm, etc..etc...I can't really prove that my cellular

receptors " woke up " , but I can certainly strongly suspect it, as the ekgs

and such showed that I don't have a heart problem, etc...Probably they just

needed a good jump start that lasted around a yr or so. However, I'm going

to be very cautious here and say that no two bodies work just alike, so some

people may have to be on huge doses of Armour the rest of their lives, as

it's the cat's meow for THEIR bodies, as maybe they had some very permanent

damage to cells and such there. It really IS an experiement in

experimentation, thyroid disease, besides the fact that Hashi's is about the

most confusing thing that exists. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving

up!!!

> That's the telling piece, right there. When a doctor tells you, with

> a straight face, " We don't know why " , then you RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

>

> If you went to any other profession, and asked them why, 90 percent

> of the time, they can give you a supportable explanation. " Thus and

> so " occurs because of the force applied to the piston, or " We know

> this brand is popular because of the direct mail response rate " .

>

> The medical community had better understand its subject well enough

> to DOCUMENT and PROVE their wild assertions, otherwise, they are

> unsupported and unjustifiable OPINIONS. With no more weight or

> substance than the necromancers and potionologists of yesteryear.

>

> I can at least give you a coherent explanation why " T3's effects tend

> to diminish over time. " Because pharmaceutical companies have a

> vested interest in doctors believing that.

>

> Unless and until a subject is understood by its own practitioners,

> WELL ENOUGH for them to explain to you WHY IT IS SO, you have little

> more than blind people leading other blind people.

December 7, 2006

>

> You've only been on thyroid meds for the last 8 months or so? This

is not

> enough time for the healing to take place to a body that has

evidently been

> damaged by hypo, etc......I'm not saying that you are on the

correct dosage,

> but that, if it took all this time to create all this damage, how

can it

> take only a few months to repair it all?? I'm not saying to settle

for very

> little, I'm just saying that there is no magic " cure " for some of

the real

> grave damage that thyroid disease can do. Also, none of us has any

way of

> knowing everything that's up here, i.e., have you listed all of

your intake

> of all meds, nutrients, morning to dusk intake of EVERYthing, are

you

> hypoglycemic, etc....??? Are you on your own or do you have a

spouse or

> someone that you can talk to at home or anyone else? We are here

for you

> too, and it may ALL be thyroid disease. I suspect that a whole lot

of it

> is, as I've been in the mental state you are in. Believe me, it IS

like

> looking back at " someone else " and saying WHO was THAT!

>

> Re: thats it!!!! i feel like

giving

> up!!!

>

> > i don't really understand what all that means about the t3, it

just

> > confuses me more. i don't know what i should be taking!right now

the

> > t3 atleast has me stable and not reaching for my 357. i am still

> > disconnected and depressed, but it helps with the suicidal

> > thoughts.it just seems hopeless. i've been like this mentally for

2

> > years, and have been on thyroid meds for the last 8 months.

another

> > christmas is coming and i'm still not out of this depression. how

> > much longer can i go like this????

>

thank you for the post mary. this is what i take and eat. 30 mcg of

compounded t3 before noon. i eat very organic, have cut out sugar

almost 100%. once in a while i eat something sweet. not often though.

i have been tested for everything else. adrenals, other autoimmune

etc. i did have problems with my only ovary, but it started

functioning again when i started t3. it comes and goes as i keep

needing to adjust meds. i also take vit. c, selineum, calcium, fish

oil, vit. e, l-lysine, quercintin forte, b12 with folic acid, i think

thats all!! this brain fog gets me sometimes.

December 7, 2006

Thats a common feeling, because you are in a hopless situation. As

long as your doctor is flexible, you have to keep trying different

things. Im looking at Cytomel now after 6 months of only T4 synthroid.

Its common to get pissed off or feel helpless. The medical community

can be ultra conservative on treatment also. My Doctor will not treat

with both T3 and T4 which is what I want now, and I may have to wait 6

months to see improvements, then move on to natural armour if nothing

works. Brain Fog sucks, no doubt. The days go by too fast also, and

thats when Im trying to get stuff done. I need to get this fixed so I

can at least get a meanial job. Im gonna be living in a Van pretty

soon. But thats ok by me.

December 7, 2006

Are you seeing an MD or Endo? I am on my second D.O. and I've had great luck with them. Both seemed much more open to treating me properly and I just find them easier to talk to. NP's can be great too!.. Judy

The medical community can be ultra conservative on treatment also. My Doctor will not treat with both T3 and T4 which is what I want now, and I may have to wait 6 months to see improvements, then move on to natural armour if nothing works.

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December 8, 2006

Two more things here----Are you taking your calcium a full 4 hrs away from

any thyroid meds, AND have you been tested for low ferritin (low storage

iron)? Low iron can mimmick/cause a lot of the thyroid symptoms also, and

us hypos have a tendency to be low in it, at least while we're still hypo.

Some doctors say that the ferritin is " normal " , even if it's barely inside

the range. This is NOT correct. For some people, it's not as important not

to consume straight T3 apart from food, but for some it is. Iron should

also always be taken 4 hrs or so apart from thyroid meds, and, IMO, all food

should be separated from it also. However, I do know folks who eat right

after their T3 or Armour, but they do adjust the med for that.

P.S. One more thing, have you ever had your carotid arteries in your neck

checked. I only know of one site that mentions the carotids sitting so

close to a very swollen thyroid gland. Your carotid arteries carry blood

and oxygen up to your brain and run inside both sides of the neck. I know

this is a scary thought, but I've often wondered if that's only one of the

reasons why our brain fog sometimes continues. I do still have that

sometimes also.

Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving

up!!!

> thank you for the post mary. this is what i take and eat. 30 mcg of

> compounded t3 before noon. i eat very organic, have cut out sugar

> almost 100%. once in a while i eat something sweet. not often though.

> i have been tested for everything else. adrenals, other autoimmune

> etc. i did have problems with my only ovary, but it started

> functioning again when i started t3. it comes and goes as i keep

> needing to adjust meds. i also take vit. c, selineum, calcium, fish

> oil, vit. e, l-lysine, quercintin forte, b12 with folic acid, i think

> thats all!! this brain fog gets me sometimes.

December 8, 2006

MY doc actually puts the stethoscope to my cartoroid artieries...i give her brownie points for that!

sue