5HTP and still more sleep issues!

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but can't

say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been on

it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested it.

Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

comments would be really gratefully received.

Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

Flo

--

Flo (UK)

Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

[Guest guest]

Flo, I could not make it in this world without sleep; I don't know how you

do it. I just went to the 5htp.com web site - to be honest, that's the

first I'd heard about it.

>

> Hi Folks,

> Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

> anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

> lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but can't

> say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

> 50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

> keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been on

> it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

> options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

> recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

> course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested it.

> Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

> knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

>

> Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

> comments would be really gratefully received.

>

> Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

> Flo

>

> --

> Flo (UK)

> Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . Just had a quick look at the website. Sounds promising but am

grasping at straws at the moment. Here's hoping we come up with an answer

soon. Pleased to hear 5HTP researched for many decades. If we think it is

indicated, gives us more clout to approach her paed.

That girl is defying all logic and missing out on an insane amount of

educational and social opportunities as she is too tired to participate in

society! Well, actually, come to think of it, so are the rest of us, and

when we do take her out, her OCDs are of course wayyyyy over the top as she

is sooo tired. Just can't win on this one at the moment.

Will of course keep you all posted.

Sleepily and up way too late when I know she will be awake soon........

Flo

>

> Flo, I could not make it in this world without sleep; I don't know how

> you

> do it. I just went to the 5htp.com web site - to be honest, that's the

> first I'd heard about it.

>

>

>

> On 1/27/07, Flo Njeru <flo.njeru@...<flo.njeru%40googlemail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Folks,

> > Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

> > anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

> > lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but

> can't

> > say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

> > 50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

> > keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been

> on

> > it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

> > options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

> > recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

> > course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested

> it.

> > Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

> > knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

> >

> > Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

> > comments would be really gratefully received.

> >

> > Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

> > Flo

> >

> > --

> > Flo (UK)

> > Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Flo,

I loved your last sentence: Desperate for a good night devoid of

drama...........

And I hope the 5HTP is the answer. I, too, will be interested in what it might

be...?

pam

[Guest guest]

Wow, Flo, it is really discouraging to be in such circumstances. If it is any

help at all, our circumstances were nearly identical until 10 years ago. At

that time many things changed and to this day we do not experience the lack of

sleep or other extreme behaviors.

For us, it seemed from about age 3.5 years or 4.0 years until she was 10, Kendra

had a terribly difficult time. I've mentioned that her brother and sister

called her " the Hornet " during these years. Everything went down the tubes, so

to speak. Eye contact nearly disappeared, spinnng was the activity of the day,

and biting wasn't unheard of. Sleep WAS unheard of. Luckily, the medication

Anafranil changed most of that overnight. The improvement in sleep led to

improvements in social areas and language.

The Anafranil affected the serotonin in Kendra's brain. Because the effect was

so dramatic and immediate, I am certain there is a link to serotonin. But this

is true for Kendra. Any of our kids could have an opposite problem. Too much

serotonin. Or totally unrelated issues.

What we do know is that there is lots of research into neurotransmitters.

Neurotransmitters, such as serotonin, are generally made from amino acids. The

essential amino acid tryptophan is a precursor of the amino acid

5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) and the neurotransmitter serotonin.

But, how does one know what is going on and what to do? In the US, the doctors

that are most interested in these kinds of issues are naturopathic doctors or

some osteopathic doctors. There are some MDs interested in this topic. Just

today I was reading a book that has an interesting theory about

neurotransmitters written by an MD. The book " Why Stomach Acid is Good For You "

really turns on its head the most commonly held views most of us have about

digestion. The book cites references that lead to the conclusion that if there

is not enough stomach acid, the following results can happen due to poor

digestion:

low stomach acid

leads to:

reduced absorption of essential amino acids

which leads to:

neurotransmitter (serotonin, norepinephrine) deficiency

the book clearly states that one of the most common causes of problems with the

neurotransmitters is faulty digestion. On another note, asthma as well as

rheumatoid arthritis may also be associated with the digestive problems.

So, Flo, It is possible, and due to the recommendations you have received, that

this pattern of low stomach acid leading to neurotransmtter problems is related

to the problem.

In looking back, we see that most of Kendra's difficulties with behavior and

sleep and language surfaced after she transitioned off of Pregestimil.

Pregestimil had supplied all the AMINO ACIDS necessary! So if she had a problem

with low stomach acid, the Pregestimil counteracted the problem by supplying all

the basic nutrient building blocks of life. It might be interesting to note if

Jess had a similar course of behavior following the changing of foods or

formulas. At the time, there was no immediate change in Kendra, and by the time

we put these facts together, she was way beyond going back to Pregestimil. But

there are similar formulas that can be used with older kids and that might be

something to look into.

One thing that can happen if one's digestion is not working well is that Methyl

B 12 can be deficient. This happens to be the case with Kendra. Her doctor

prescribed Methyl B 12 shots last summer and we had a most interesting result.

Kendra started to put her arm out to get the shots. She knows it helps her.

Prior to getting the shots, she would not sit and allow even a quick

finger-prick blood test. Following the use of the Methyl B 12 shots, her

language has improved.

So those are thoughts about neurotransmitters and digestion and behavior.

Regarding OCD, there's no question that zinc has been helpful. Kendra was

tested to have a zinc deficiency and has been treated for several years. I

think the zinc is helping her to wean off the original serotonin medicine (which

now is celexa, not anafranil any longer). Zinc can be helpful in treating such

conditions as anorexia, (lack of eating), short stature, diarrhea, and OCD. OCD

can be related to Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated

with Streptococcal infectiions (PANDAS), wherein it is suspected that some strep

infections affect the basal ganglia of the brain and result in OCD and Tic

disorders. This site, called OCD Hope, has further information:

http://www.ocdhope.com/PANDAS.htm

I do find it encouraging that much research is going into these kinds of issues

that are keeping you all up to extraordinary degrees at night. My basic sense

is that there are digestive issues affecting the immune system and ultimately

brain function and neurotransmitters. It is obviously a complex and important

subject that hasn't had enough study yet.

If Kendra had never been put on anafranil or celexa, I would first try reading

the book I mentioned above and consult with a doctor interested in these issues.

Not all doctors are. For the most part, most MDs in the United States, I don't

know about the UK, would not want to delve too far into the realm of the effect

of digestion on such behaviors and conditions.

Because Kendra had such an immediate and positive response to the celexa,

perhaps that is something you wish to discuss with your doctor. 's

behaviors and sleep patterns sound so much like what we saw. But, there are

CHARGE kids who have not had a positive response to the medicine. If it were to

be tried and if it provided some relief, perhaps it would allow everyone to

regain their sleep and you could then have energy to delve into the issue in

more depth.

Because Jess has a history of fits, of course all of these possible sources of

help would need to have approval from the doctor.

And last, but not least, my favorite subject is the subject of Vitamin D's

effect on sleep and the immune system. Natural sunlight will affect not only

Vitamin D, but will affect melatonin production. Turning on lights in the

middle of the night will affect how much melatonin is available. This subject

could be a very easy one to try to see if fresh air and sunlight affect Jess'

sleep patterns.

Please let me know if something is not clear. This topic is of extreme interest

to me. I truly hope the issue is resolved soon so that you all have wonderful

and restful sleep. At least reading this long e-mail might have the effect of

putting everyone to sleep right away! Night Night. zzzz

:-)

Mom to Kendra, (no longer the hornet), (a medical student) and Camille

(the pastry chef)

5HTP and still more sleep issues!

Hi Folks,

Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but can't

say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been on

it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested it.

Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

comments would be really gratefully received.

Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

Flo

--

Flo (UK)

Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

[Guest guest]

,

Incredible! It's all even more impressive to see the steps you took

and how much it

helped when it's all together like this. Beautiful piece of work, and a

beautiful reference

for others to consider step by step.

I'm saving it just because it's a work of art. ;-)

in Ma.

[Guest guest]

,

You are an AMAZING font of information--good information.

pam

Re: 5HTP and still more sleep issues!

Wow, Flo, it is really discouraging to be in such circumstances. If it is any

help at all, our circumstances were nearly identical until 10 years ago. At

that time many things changed and to this day we do not experience the lack of

sleep or other extreme behaviors.

For us, it seemed from about age 3.5 years or 4.0 years until she was 10, Kendra

had a terribly difficult time. I've mentioned that her brother and sister

called her " the Hornet " during these years. Everything went down the tubes, so

to speak. Eye contact nearly disappeared, spinnng was the activity of the day,

and biting wasn't unheard of. Sleep WAS unheard of. Luckily, the medication

Anafranil changed most of that overnight. The improvement in sleep led to

improvements in social areas and language.

The Anafranil affected the serotonin in Kendra's brain. Because the effect was

so dramatic and immediate, I am certain there is a link to serotonin. But this

is true for Kendra. Any of our kids could have an opposite problem. Too much

serotonin. Or totally unrelated issues.

What we do know is that there is lots of research into neurotransmitters.

Neurotransmitters, such as serotonin, are generally made from amino acids. The

essential amino acid tryptophan is a precursor of the amino acid

5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) and the neurotransmitter serotonin.

But, how does one know what is going on and what to do? In the US, the doctors

that are most interested in these kinds of issues are naturopathic doctors or

some osteopathic doctors. There are some MDs interested in this topic. Just

today I was reading a book that has an interesting theory about

neurotransmitters written by an MD. The book " Why Stomach Acid is Good For You "

really turns on its head the most commonly held views most of us have about

digestion. The book cites references that lead to the conclusion that if there

is not enough stomach acid, the following results can happen due to poor

digestion:

low stomach acid

leads to:

reduced absorption of essential amino acids

which leads to:

neurotransmitter (serotonin, norepinephrine) deficiency

the book clearly states that one of the most common causes of problems with the

neurotransmitters is faulty digestion. On another note, asthma as well as

rheumatoid arthritis may also be associated with the digestive problems.

So, Flo, It is possible, and due to the recommendations you have received, that

this pattern of low stomach acid leading to neurotransmtter problems is related

to the problem.

In looking back, we see that most of Kendra's difficulties with behavior and

sleep and language surfaced after she transitioned off of Pregestimil.

Pregestimil had supplied all the AMINO ACIDS necessary! So if she had a problem

with low stomach acid, the Pregestimil counteracted the problem by supplying all

the basic nutrient building blocks of life. It might be interesting to note if

Jess had a similar course of behavior following the changing of foods or

formulas. At the time, there was no immediate change in Kendra, and by the time

we put these facts together, she was way beyond going back to Pregestimil. But

there are similar formulas that can be used with older kids and that might be

something to look into.

One thing that can happen if one's digestion is not working well is that Methyl

B 12 can be deficient. This happens to be the case with Kendra. Her doctor

prescribed Methyl B 12 shots last summer and we had a most interesting result.

Kendra started to put her arm out to get the shots. She knows it helps her.

Prior to getting the shots, she would not sit and allow even a quick

finger-prick blood test. Following the use of the Methyl B 12 shots, her

language has improved.

So those are thoughts about neurotransmitters and digestion and behavior.

Regarding OCD, there's no question that zinc has been helpful. Kendra was

tested to have a zinc deficiency and has been treated for several years. I

think the zinc is helping her to wean off the original serotonin medicine (which

now is celexa, not anafranil any longer). Zinc can be helpful in treating such

conditions as anorexia, (lack of eating), short stature, diarrhea, and OCD. OCD

can be related to Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated

with Streptococcal infectiions (PANDAS), wherein it is suspected that some strep

infections affect the basal ganglia of the brain and result in OCD and Tic

disorders. This site, called OCD Hope, has further information:

http://www.ocdhope.com/PANDAS.htm

I do find it encouraging that much research is going into these kinds of issues

that are keeping you all up to extraordinary degrees at night. My basic sense

is that there are digestive issues affecting the immune system and ultimately

brain function and neurotransmitters. It is obviously a complex and important

subject that hasn't had enough study yet.

If Kendra had never been put on anafranil or celexa, I would first try reading

the book I mentioned above and consult with a doctor interested in these issues.

Not all doctors are. For the most part, most MDs in the United States, I don't

know about the UK, would not want to delve too far into the realm of the effect

of digestion on such behaviors and conditions.

Because Kendra had such an immediate and positive response to the celexa,

perhaps that is something you wish to discuss with your doctor. 's

behaviors and sleep patterns sound so much like what we saw. But, there are

CHARGE kids who have not had a positive response to the medicine. If it were to

be tried and if it provided some relief, perhaps it would allow everyone to

regain their sleep and you could then have energy to delve into the issue in

more depth.

Because Jess has a history of fits, of course all of these possible sources of

help would need to have approval from the doctor.

And last, but not least, my favorite subject is the subject of Vitamin D's

effect on sleep and the immune system. Natural sunlight will affect not only

Vitamin D, but will affect melatonin production. Turning on lights in the

middle of the night will affect how much melatonin is available. This subject

could be a very easy one to try to see if fresh air and sunlight affect Jess'

sleep patterns.

Please let me know if something is not clear. This topic is of extreme interest

to me. I truly hope the issue is resolved soon so that you all have wonderful

and restful sleep. At least reading this long e-mail might have the effect of

putting everyone to sleep right away! Night Night. zzzz

:-)

Mom to Kendra, (no longer the hornet), (a medical student) and Camille

(the pastry chef)

5HTP and still more sleep issues!

Hi Folks,

Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but can't

say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been on

it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested it.

Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

comments would be really gratefully received.

Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

Flo

--

Flo (UK)

Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

[Guest guest]

Thanks, !! We all look at and and study these issues because of necessity.

If something I wrote was helpful to you, I'm thrilled.

:-)

Re: 5HTP and still more sleep issues!

,

Incredible! It's all even more impressive to see the steps you took

and how much it

helped when it's all together like this. Beautiful piece of work, and a

beautiful reference

for others to consider step by step.

I'm saving it just because it's a work of art. ;-)

in Ma.

[Guest guest]

Dear Flo,

>>>>(because obviously you have little better to do than sort out my

child!!!).<<<<<

laughing, laughing, here!

That's our gal-pal! You may be on your knees, but the flag's still waving

high!!!!

Love and sympathies,

;-)

in Ma.

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you so much for all the time you must have taken to explain all that

so carefully. Lots and lots of info to digest, which is always great as

would rather have lots to look at and hopefully something will click. We

were trying to look at change of diet and could not think of anything as

although Jess has had sleep probs since pretty much age 1, they just got

unbearable in July last year which of course is the height of summer here

and we were on holiday when it all started to get way worse and we were all

going out every day and enjoying lots of light and sunshine etc. Her school

are also great and really maximise the use of the outside world when it is

warm and/sunny so would have had plenty of that just before the onset of 7

waking nights per week.

Which all leaves me to think about your serotonin theory. I don't know a

huge deal about serotonin and connection with sleep but there will be some

serious looking into it, definitely. Am scanning your e-mail for any other

titbits as now really have to look at the fine detail as poor little thing

is just too exhausted (as are we but we can at least cope) and social

occassions are proving a nightmare if she will insist on her obsession with

feet, bums and boobs! She is also quite stuck with language so I was

interested in all that Kendra suddenly had movement in when sleep problem

was addressed. Hmmmmm, lots of food for thought.

Many many thanks again for taking the time to explain it all so carefully

and in such detail. It will NOT go to waste!

Flo

Re: 5HTP and still more sleep issues!

>

> Wow, Flo, it is really discouraging to be in such circumstances. If it is

> any help at all, our circumstances were nearly identical until 10 years ago.

> At that time many things changed and to this day we do not experience the

> lack of sleep or other extreme behaviors.

>

> For us, it seemed from about age 3.5 years or 4.0 years until she was 10,

> Kendra had a terribly difficult time. I've mentioned that her brother and

> sister called her " the Hornet " during these years. Everything went down the

> tubes, so to speak. Eye contact nearly disappeared, spinnng was the activity

> of the day, and biting wasn't unheard of. Sleep WAS unheard of. Luckily, the

> medication Anafranil changed most of that overnight. The improvement in

> sleep led to improvements in social areas and language.

>

> The Anafranil affected the serotonin in Kendra's brain. Because the effect

> was so dramatic and immediate, I am certain there is a link to serotonin.

> But this is true for Kendra. Any of our kids could have an opposite problem.

> Too much serotonin. Or totally unrelated issues.

>

> What we do know is that there is lots of research into neurotransmitters.

> Neurotransmitters, such as serotonin, are generally made from amino acids.

> The essential amino acid tryptophan is a precursor of the amino acid

> 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) and the neurotransmitter serotonin.

>

> But, how does one know what is going on and what to do? In the US, the

> doctors that are most interested in these kinds of issues are naturopathic

> doctors or some osteopathic doctors. There are some MDs interested in this

> topic. Just today I was reading a book that has an interesting theory about

> neurotransmitters written by an MD. The book " Why Stomach Acid is Good For

> You " really turns on its head the most commonly held views most of us have

> about digestion. The book cites references that lead to the conclusion that

> if there is not enough stomach acid, the following results can happen due to

> poor digestion:

>

> low stomach acid

>

> leads to:

>

> reduced absorption of essential amino acids

>

> which leads to:

>

> neurotransmitter (serotonin, norepinephrine) deficiency

>

> the book clearly states that one of the most common causes of problems

> with the neurotransmitters is faulty digestion. On another note, asthma as

> well as rheumatoid arthritis may also be associated with the digestive

> problems.

>

> So, Flo, It is possible, and due to the recommendations you have received,

> that this pattern of low stomach acid leading to neurotransmtter problems is

> related to the problem.

>

> In looking back, we see that most of Kendra's difficulties with behavior

> and sleep and language surfaced after she transitioned off of Pregestimil.

> Pregestimil had supplied all the AMINO ACIDS necessary! So if she had a

> problem with low stomach acid, the Pregestimil counteracted the problem by

> supplying all the basic nutrient building blocks of life. It might be

> interesting to note if Jess had a similar course of behavior following the

> changing of foods or formulas. At the time, there was no immediate change in

> Kendra, and by the time we put these facts together, she was way beyond

> going back to Pregestimil. But there are similar formulas that can be used

> with older kids and that might be something to look into.

>

> One thing that can happen if one's digestion is not working well is that

> Methyl B 12 can be deficient. This happens to be the case with Kendra. Her

> doctor prescribed Methyl B 12 shots last summer and we had a most

> interesting result. Kendra started to put her arm out to get the shots. She

> knows it helps her. Prior to getting the shots, she would not sit and allow

> even a quick finger-prick blood test. Following the use of the Methyl B 12

> shots, her language has improved.

>

> So those are thoughts about neurotransmitters and digestion and behavior.

>

> Regarding OCD, there's no question that zinc has been helpful. Kendra was

> tested to have a zinc deficiency and has been treated for several years. I

> think the zinc is helping her to wean off the original serotonin medicine

> (which now is celexa, not anafranil any longer). Zinc can be helpful in

> treating such conditions as anorexia, (lack of eating), short stature,

> diarrhea, and OCD. OCD can be related to Pediatric Autoimmune

> Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated with Streptococcal infectiions

> (PANDAS), wherein it is suspected that some strep infections affect the

> basal ganglia of the brain and result in OCD and Tic disorders. This site,

> called OCD Hope, has further information:

> http://www.ocdhope.com/PANDAS.htm

>

> I do find it encouraging that much research is going into these kinds of

> issues that are keeping you all up to extraordinary degrees at night. My

> basic sense is that there are digestive issues affecting the immune system

> and ultimately brain function and neurotransmitters. It is obviously a

> complex and important subject that hasn't had enough study yet.

>

> If Kendra had never been put on anafranil or celexa, I would first try

> reading the book I mentioned above and consult with a doctor interested in

> these issues. Not all doctors are. For the most part, most MDs in the United

> States, I don't know about the UK, would not want to delve too far into the

> realm of the effect of digestion on such behaviors and conditions.

>

> Because Kendra had such an immediate and positive response to the celexa,

> perhaps that is something you wish to discuss with your doctor. 's

> behaviors and sleep patterns sound so much like what we saw. But, there are

> CHARGE kids who have not had a positive response to the medicine. If it were

> to be tried and if it provided some relief, perhaps it would allow everyone

> to regain their sleep and you could then have energy to delve into the issue

> in more depth.

>

> Because Jess has a history of fits, of course all of these possible

> sources of help would need to have approval from the doctor.

>

> And last, but not least, my favorite subject is the subject of Vitamin D's

> effect on sleep and the immune system. Natural sunlight will affect not only

> Vitamin D, but will affect melatonin production. Turning on lights in the

> middle of the night will affect how much melatonin is available. This

> subject could be a very easy one to try to see if fresh air and sunlight

> affect Jess' sleep patterns.

>

> Please let me know if something is not clear. This topic is of extreme

> interest to me. I truly hope the issue is resolved soon so that you all have

> wonderful and restful sleep. At least reading this long e-mail might have

> the effect of putting everyone to sleep right away! Night Night. zzzz

>

> :-)

> Mom to Kendra, (no longer the hornet), (a medical student) and

> Camille (the pastry chef)

>

> 5HTP and still more sleep issues!

>

> Hi Folks,

> Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

> anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

> lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but can't

> say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

> 50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

> keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been on

> it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

> options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

> recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

> course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested it.

> Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

> knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

>

> Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

> comments would be really gratefully received.

>

> Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

> Flo

>

> --

> Flo (UK)

> Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Flo,

You are so welcome! I hope something clicks and makes a difference or leads you

to something that helps. :-)

One question for you. Does have trouble with reflux? Does she take

medicine for it? Does she take any medicine?

Just prior to your holiday last July did she have any illnesses or medical

treatments?

Just wondering outloud what might, (or if anything might) be associated with

the precipitation at that particular time.

5HTP and still more sleep issues!

>

> Hi Folks,

> Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

> anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

> lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but can't

> say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

> 50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

> keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been on

> it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

> options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

> recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

> course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested it.

> Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

> knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

>

> Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

> comments would be really gratefully received.

>

> Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

> Flo

>

> --

> Flo (UK)

> Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

has no reflux issues. We are very lucky, to date, she has not

needed any ongoing medications.

The most obvious treatment she had last year was the cochlear implant which

was end of March, switch on mid April, onset of sleep problems mid July.

Not a solar system apart in terms of timing. We had noted a deterioration

in behaviours shortly after switch on which I am sure was relevant to the

increased sensory input and possible overload. A behavioural programme at

school dealt well with that. And now that you mention it, I am beginning

to wonder whether increased OCDs also coincided. Will have to think hard on

that but off top of my head, think they have definitely waaaay got worse

since July and the sleep saga. She managed to shut my finger in a drawer

yesterday because drawers, doors, cupboards etc must be shut.

Hmmm, more food for thought. , thank you again and time permitting,

don't stop wondering for me! (because obviously you have little better to do

than sort out my child!!!).

Flo

>

> Flo,

>

> You are so welcome! I hope something clicks and makes a difference or

> leads you to something that helps. :-)

>

> One question for you. Does have trouble with reflux? Does she take

> medicine for it? Does she take any medicine?

>

> Just prior to your holiday last July did she have any illnesses or medical

> treatments?

>

> Just wondering outloud what might, (or if anything might) be associated

> with the precipitation at that particular time.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Flo-

I've been following your saga with great interest even though it's outside

any of our experiences with Aubrie. With this most recent realization of

the possible relationship of the CI to all of the increased OCD and sleep

disturbances, is it possible to turn the CI off for a week or so just to see

what happens?? I know nothing at all of CI so never mind if it's a foolish

notion or one you've already considered. Just thinking out loud and hoping

that one of us will grasp the right straw to make things better for .

Michele W

Aubrie's mom

[Guest guest]

Hey, thanks, Pam!!

:-)

5HTP and still more sleep issues!

Hi Folks,

Coming out of lurk mode to ask a quick question. Does anyone here know

anything about 5HTP? As you all know, 's sleep is the bain of our

lives at the moment. She is currently on slow release melatonin but can't

say we are wildly convinced of its success. It seems to have a less than

50/50 chance of success but not sending her off to sleep any faster, nor

keeping her asleep every night. We are still watching as has only been on

it for just over one week. In the meantime, we are still exploring other

options. Soooo, anyone know anything of 5HTP? Two people so far have

recommended it, one of who was the salesperson in a health store so of

course instantly suspicious until her new cranial osteopath suggested it.

Does anyone know anything of this supplement? , you have a vast

knowledge of this type of thing. Any thoughts?

Know nothing about it and googling it just left me more confused so any

comments would be really gratefully received.

Desperate for a good night devoid of drama...........

Flo

--

Flo (UK)

Mum to - CHARGE - (6) and Elly (4)

[Guest guest]

,

This is a hysterical response. Can¹t you just see Flo now????

pam

>

>

>

>

> Dear Flo,

>>>>> >>>>(because obviously you have little better to do than sort out my

> child!!!).<<<<<

> laughing, laughing, here!

> That's our gal-pal! You may be on your knees, but the flag's still waving

> high!!!!

>

> Love and sympathies,

> ;-)

> in Ma.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank goodness for this group! It is wonderful to have others who will help

sort out our children - because sometimes it seems we are all alone and the

physicians must think I for one am crazy!

Lori Myers

Re: 5HTP and still more sleep issues!

,

has no reflux issues. We are very lucky, to date, she has not

needed any ongoing medications.

The most obvious treatment she had last year was the cochlear implant which

was end of March, switch on mid April, onset of sleep problems mid July.

Not a solar system apart in terms of timing. We had noted a deterioration

in behaviours shortly after switch on which I am sure was relevant to the

increased sensory input and possible overload. A behavioural programme at

school dealt well with that. And now that you mention it, I am beginning

to wonder whether increased OCDs also coincided. Will have to think hard on

that but off top of my head, think they have definitely waaaay got worse

since July and the sleep saga. She managed to shut my finger in a drawer

yesterday because drawers, doors, cupboards etc must be shut.

Hmmm, more food for thought. , thank you again and time permitting,

don't stop wondering for me! (because obviously you have little better to do

than sort out my child!!!).

Flo

>

> Flo,

>

> You are so welcome! I hope something clicks and makes a difference or

> leads you to something that helps. :-)

>

> One question for you. Does have trouble with reflux? Does she take

> medicine for it? Does she take any medicine?

>

> Just prior to your holiday last July did she have any illnesses or medical

> treatments?

>

> Just wondering outloud what might, (or if anything might) be associated

> with the precipitation at that particular time.

>

>

>

>

>