Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require cervical-cancervaccine...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/6/2007 11:07:54 PM Central Standard Time,

emsleneveu@... writes:

Don't forget this is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. I don't

think a 12 yoa girl needs it. Later after puberty and the possibility is

discussed about whether or not going to be sexually promiscuous is discussed. I

have a 12 yoa and she won't get it until she is older and knows the risks of

sex outside of marriage.

Tom,

As I pointed out in another post, this system seems to work best in

unexposed (essentially virgin) females...I'll be discussing the situation with

my dau

about her 13 yo dau when I see them next week.

I've delivered too many babies to 13 yos and seen too many sexually active

11 and 12 yos to believe that *any* nubile female is 'safe' despite her

parents' best efforts.

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:33:02 AM Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... writes:

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

And on the gripping hand (pun intended), how many folks realize that

prevention of cervical cancer one of main the reasons why male genital

mutilation

has been widely practiced in the US for the last 50+ years? (the other main

reason, of course, is to improve the pay rate for normal deliveries (both to

the

doctor and to the hospital).

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:41:26 AM Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

Almost every child in Texas has been treated for an STD. It is true. Every

newborn is required by law to be treated for Gonorrhea and Chlamydia

conjunctivitis immediately after birth. This is why the eye ointment is

instilled in the eyes.

BEB

point taken...and the reason why we switched from silver nitrate drops

(which only treats the GC infection) to erythromycin ointment (which treats

both)

some years ago.

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:50:26 AM Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

Now you have done it Chuck-brought religion into the fray. Soon, you will be

hearing from the Texas Association of EMS Mohels. Who knows, there may be a

bris in your future.

item a: I said nothing about religious reasons...the rise of male

circumcision in this country was NOT due to Jewish Doctors, but to a misguided

stand by

the AMA and the Pediatricians, based on poorly constructed case studies

comparing cervical cancer rates between French Nuns, French Peasant women and

female partners of circumcised men (at that time, mostly Jewish and, IIRC,

wasn't even done here in the US!). The report concluded that the virginal nuns

had

the lowest rate of cervical cancer, the partners of circumcised men did

almost as well, and the peasant women had rates of cervical cancer exceeding

that

of the barrios and ghettos of today.

It turns out that circumcision only makes it easier to maintain proper

hygiene, and makes it more obvious when a man has a significant problem...and

that

circumcision, in and of itself is not a good way to prevent cervical cancer.

Item b: The Mohel will be disappointed...

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:55:23 AM Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

We need to NIP this discussion.

I'll have to TUCK in shortly to head to work...I'm surprised that no one has

commented on the cost factors I pointed out earlier...I'd rather not CUT it

SHORT, but the bills have to be paid...

Here's what I said earlier about the costs:

Cost factors from a commercial web site:

Gardasil 10 pack $1370 $137 per dose

MMR II 10 pack $560 $56 per dose

ProQuad (MMR plus Varivax)

10 pack $1555 $155 per dose

Zostavax 10 pack $1652 $165 per dose

other, older vaccine sets are quite a bit cheaper...and often have more than

one ultimate source.

So the cost to the state is less than half of the $300 plus initially

indicated...and Gardasil is not even the most expensive recommended vaccine.

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

_____

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of krin135@...

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:09 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/6/2007 11:07:54 PM Central Standard Time,

emsleneveu@sbcgloba <mailto:emsleneveu%40sbcglobal.net> l.net writes:

Don't forget this is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. I don't

think a 12 yoa girl needs it. Later after puberty and the possibility is

discussed about whether or not going to be sexually promiscuous is

discussed. I

have a 12 yoa and she won't get it until she is older and knows the risks of

sex outside of marriage.

Tom,

As I pointed out in another post, this system seems to work best in

unexposed (essentially virgin) females...I'll be discussing the situation

with my dau

about her 13 yo dau when I see them next week.

I've delivered too many babies to 13 yos and seen too many sexually active

11 and 12 yos to believe that *any* nubile female is 'safe' despite her

parents' best efforts.

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Almost every child in Texas has been treated for an STD. It is true. Every

newborn is required by law to be treated for Gonorrhea and Chlamydia

conjunctivitis immediately after birth. This is why the eye ointment is

instilled in the eyes.

BEB

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Jack Pitcock

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:24 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

_____

From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ]

On

Behalf Of krin135@... <mailto:krin135%40aol.com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:09 AM

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/6/2007 11:07:54 PM Central Standard Time,

emsleneveu@sbcgloba <mailto:emsleneveu%40sbcglobal.net> l.net writes:

Don't forget this is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. I don't

think a 12 yoa girl needs it. Later after puberty and the possibility is

discussed about whether or not going to be sexually promiscuous is

discussed. I

have a 12 yoa and she won't get it until she is older and knows the risks of

sex outside of marriage.

Tom,

As I pointed out in another post, this system seems to work best in

unexposed (essentially virgin) females...I'll be discussing the situation

with my dau

about her 13 yo dau when I see them next week.

I've delivered too many babies to 13 yos and seen too many sexually active

11 and 12 yos to believe that *any* nubile female is 'safe' despite her

parents' best efforts.

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Now you have done it Chuck-brought religion into the fray. Soon, you will be

hearing from the Texas Association of EMS Mohels. Who knows, there may be a

bris in your future.

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of krin135@...

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:39 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:33:02 AM Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... <mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com> writes:

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

And on the gripping hand (pun intended), how many folks realize that

prevention of cervical cancer one of main the reasons why male genital

mutilation

has been widely practiced in the US for the last 50+ years? (the other main

reason, of course, is to improve the pay rate for normal deliveries (both to

the

doctor and to the hospital).

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Hey-look at the bright side of this discussion. At least we have not

breached the most sacrosanct of Texas laws-the discussion and criticism of

barbecue (or chili) (or Mexican food).

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:47 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

Now you have done it Chuck-brought religion into the fray. Soon, you will be

hearing from the Texas Association of EMS Mohels. Who knows, there may be a

bris in your future.

From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ]

On

Behalf Of krin135@... <mailto:krin135%40aol.com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:39 AM

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:33:02 AM Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... <mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com>

<mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com> writes:

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

And on the gripping hand (pun intended), how many folks realize that

prevention of cervical cancer one of main the reasons why male genital

mutilation

has been widely practiced in the US for the last 50+ years? (the other main

reason, of course, is to improve the pay rate for normal deliveries (both to

the

doctor and to the hospital).

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

We need to NIP this discussion.

-Wes

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:33:02 AM Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... <mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com> writes:

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

And on the gripping hand (pun intended), how many folks realize that

prevention of cervical cancer one of main the reasons why male genital

mutilation

has been widely practiced in the US for the last 50+ years? (the other main

reason, of course, is to improve the pay rate for normal deliveries (both to

the

doctor and to the hospital).

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

ht

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

Hey-look at the bright side of this discussion. At least we have not

breached the most sacrosanct of Texas laws-the discussion and criticism of

barbecue (or chili) (or Mexican food).

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:47 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

Now you have done it Chuck-brought religion into the fray. Soon, you will be

hearing from the Texas Association of EMS Mohels. Who knows, there may be a

bris in your future.

From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ]

On

Behalf Of krin135@... <mailto:krin135%40aol.com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:39 AM

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:33:02 AM Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... <mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com>

<mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com> writes:

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

And on the gripping hand (pun intended), how many folks realize that

prevention of cervical cancer one of main the reasons why male genital

mutilation

has been widely practiced in the US for the last 50+ years? (the other main

reason, of course, is to improve the pay rate for normal deliveries (both to

the

doctor and to the hospital).

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Lockhart, Luling, Elgin, and are all overrated for BBQ and Lubbock is

underrated. No beans in the chili. As for Tex-Mex, Austin still has the best

(Matt's El Rancho and El Gallo, both in South Austin.).

There, I've crossed the line!

-Wes

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:33:02 AM Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... <mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com>

<mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com> writes:

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

And on the gripping hand (pun intended), how many folks realize that

prevention of cervical cancer one of main the reasons why male genital

mutilation

has been widely practiced in the US for the last 50+ years? (the other main

reason, of course, is to improve the pay rate for normal deliveries (both to

the

doctor and to the hospital).

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

wes-dont forget joe allens in abilene!!! also lytle land and cattle...worth

hunting down!!!! ht

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Lockhart, Luling,

Elgin, and are all overrated for BBQ and Lubbock is underrated. No beans

in the chili. As for Tex-Mex, Austin still has the best (Matt's El Rancho and

El Gallo, both in South Austin.).

There, I've crossed the line!

-Wes

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:33:02 AM Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... <mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com>

<mailto:jrpitcock%40yahoo.com> writes:

Just for a second. let's change the rules of the discussion.

What if.. Cervical cancer was not a STD..

What would your reaction be?

And on the gripping hand (pun intended), how many folks realize that

prevention of cervical cancer one of main the reasons why male genital

mutilation

has been widely practiced in the US for the last 50+ years? (the other main

reason, of course, is to improve the pay rate for normal deliveries (both to

the

doctor and to the hospital).

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

" Lockhart, Luling, Elgin, and are all overrated for BBQ " GET A

ROPE!!!!

" and Lubbock is underrated. " Nope, it boring and dusty, just as the rumors

say.

" As for Tex-Mex, Austin still has the best (Matt's El Rancho and El Gallo,

both in South Austin.). " Okay, that's true.

" There, I've crossed the line! BIG TIME " Don't you ALWAYS?

Oh, yeah, one other thing. Wes don't like bread. (remember THAT joke?)

Barry

[Guest guest]

Pardon me Sir, but you aren't a native Texan, are you? This may disqualify you

from the BBQ discussion...

-Wes (born in Dallas.)

RE: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

" Lockhart, Luling, Elgin, and are all overrated for BBQ " GET A

ROPE!!!!

" and Lubbock is underrated. " Nope, it boring and dusty, just as the rumors

say.

" As for Tex-Mex, Austin still has the best (Matt's El Rancho and El Gallo,

both in South Austin.). " Okay, that's true.

" There, I've crossed the line! BIG TIME " Don't you ALWAYS?

Oh, yeah, one other thing. Wes don't like bread. (remember THAT joke?)

Barry

[Guest guest]

You've obviously never had the BBQ from Memphis, Tennessee (opposite end

from my home of Knoxville). You don't think Elvis and ny Cash got so

talented eating hamburgers, do you? Beside, if not for Sam Houston and

Crockett, you'd be a Mexican citizen - and I've been a naturalized

Texan longer than you've been alive.

Texas BBQ is PRETTY good, though.

;^)

Barry

(thoroughly stirring the pot, with tongue firmly planted in cheek)

_____

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Wednesday, 07 February, 2007 11:15

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

Pardon me Sir, but you aren't a native Texan, are you? This may disqualify

you from the BBQ discussion...

-Wes (born in Dallas.)

[Guest guest]

Actually, I lived in Memphis for a few years as a kid. A great evening can be

had chowing down on Memphis dry rub ribs from the Rendevoux in downtown Memphis.

(Actually, at the risk of being a heretic in two states, I prefer Texas BBQ

brisket, but Tennessee ribs.)

-Wes

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

Pardon me Sir, but you aren't a native Texan, are you? This may disqualify

you from the BBQ discussion...

-Wes (born in Dallas.)

[Guest guest]

Cervical Cancer may not be a sexually transmitted disease and we all know HPV

is, but cervcal cancer is a major killer of women even though it can be

prevented through regular exams, etc.. we all know that. So if we prevent HPV

will we prevent ALL cases of cervical cancer, probaably not but they may be

reduced significantly. It is not a matter of a girl or woman being sexually

promiscuous either, what if she is raped, that happens more often than we know.

I don't disagree with the vaccine being givenn to pubexcent girls but I do think

it should be a decision made between the girl, her parents, and her doctor, kids

these days know a lot more about sex and sexually transmitted diseases than we

give them credit for, even if it is not discussed in the home. I have two

daughters, ages 22 and 18, one in the Navy and one who will be starting college

in the fall. I will advise both of my girls to get this vaccine after some more

research. It is better to be safe than sorry. Again

not because they are promiscuos or may be sexually active, but just in case

there is an act of violence and they get raped which they have no control over,

they would still be protected. We all know Merck is going to make a lot of money

but let's be informed about what we are advising before we really jump on this

bandwagon.

Anita

NREMTP/LP

Take care and stay safe always.

" Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed. "

(Proverbs: 16:3)

May God Smile on you today.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:16:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,

THEDUDMAN@... writes:

Dudley

Texas by birth....Aggie by the grace of God

What did you do to God?

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2007 10:14:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,

emslala@... writes:

Wow, Lou! When did you learn to read minds??

-- EMT-B

Proud Austinite (and Longhorn)

Oh talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

All New Jerseyians are psychic or was that psychotic?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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[Guest guest]

Something I pointed out to a friend of mine....you ever notice you hear about

" Memphis BBQ " , " Kansas City BBQ " , etc....but BBQ from Texas is simply known as

BBQ....

Can't argue with perfection.

Dudley

Texas by birth....Aggie by the grace of God

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

Pardon me Sir, but you aren't a native Texan, are you? This may disqualify

you from the BBQ discussion...

-Wes (born in Dallas.)

[Guest guest]

You actually admit to being an Aggie? You have got guts! *lol* j/k

Hook'Em Horns!

A. Dempsey EMT-I/FF

University Health System

Department of Correctional Healthcare Services

Bexar County Detention Center

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine...

In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:16:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,

THEDUDMAN@... <mailto:THEDUDMAN%40aol.com> writes:

Dudley

Texas by birth....Aggie by the grace of God

What did you do to God?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

Consultant

Buddhist philosopher at-large

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(Home Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

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minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884

- 1962)

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