Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

[Guest guest]

I sit right alongside on this one, to make it available is one thing. to

REQUIRE it, is a different ball of wax.

perhaps one small step over the line.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

www.canyonlakefire-ems.org

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Reply-To: texasems-l

Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:51:45 -0600

>>>This is not purely an EMS topic, but I hope that the moderators will indulge

>me for posting this link to articles about Governor 's executive order to

>give the vaccine to students.

>

>I think it is important for all medical professionals to know, so I posted

>it.

>

>Reactions?<<

>

>I think Rick has a serious case of craniorectal inversion, or he's in

cahoots with Merck, that's my reaction.

>

>I'm not anti-vaccine by any means, and I applaud the development of the HPV

vaccine. But REQUIRING school girls to have the vaccine? Hell no, and not just

for the financial reasons. This kind of government mandate flies in the face of

Texas' independent spirit, does it not?

>

>>From what I've read, most physicians don't even carry it because it's

prohibitively expensive, and the reimbursement is substantially less than the

cost. Evidently Gov. did not seek the input of physicians before he issued

his executive order.

>

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[Guest guest]

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

What about polio, small pox, measles, mumps, rubella, Hepatitis B; Hepatitis A,

Tetanus, Chicken Pox???

All these are required by law as well...

Dudley

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

I sit right alongside on this one, to make it available is one thing. to

REQUIRE it, is a different ball of wax.

perhaps one small step over the line.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

www.canyonlakefire-ems.org

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

Reply-To: texasems-l

Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:51:45 -0600

>>>This is not purely an EMS topic, but I hope that the moderators will indulge

>me for posting this link to articles about Governor 's executive order to

>give the vaccine to students.

>

>I think it is important for all medical professionals to know, so I posted

>it.

>

>Reactions?<<

>

>I think Rick has a serious case of craniorectal inversion, or he's in

cahoots with Merck, that's my reaction.

>

>I'm not anti-vaccine by any means, and I applaud the development of the HPV

vaccine. But REQUIRING school girls to have the vaccine? Hell no, and not just

for the financial reasons. This kind of government mandate flies in the face of

Texas' independent spirit, does it not?

>

>>From what I've read, most physicians don't even carry it because it's

prohibitively expensive, and the reimbursement is substantially less than the

cost. Evidently Gov. did not seek the input of physicians before he issued

his executive order.

>

>--

> Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc.

>MEDIC Training Solutions

>http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

VERY GOOD POINT !

Obviously " sex education " isn't working to the degree it should. I have no

problem with it being required. This, too, is only my opinion. Maybe Gov.

is going about it the wrong way---------- I don't think so. And, according to

what I've read, he does have an interest in Merck.

But more important, I feel he has an interest in our youth.

Now to eliminate the " BIAS " ------------ Let other Drug companies get in on it!

LET THE BASHING BEGIN !

THEDUDMAN@... wrote:

What about polio, small pox, measles, mumps, rubella, Hepatitis B;

Hepatitis A, Tetanus, Chicken Pox???

All these are required by law as well...

Dudley

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

I sit right alongside on this one, to make it available is one thing. to

REQUIRE it, is a different ball of wax.

perhaps one small step over the line.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

www.canyonlakefire-ems.org

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

Reply-To: texasems-l

Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:51:45 -0600

>>>This is not purely an EMS topic, but I hope that the moderators will indulge

>me for posting this link to articles about Governor 's executive order to

>give the vaccine to students.

>

>I think it is important for all medical professionals to know, so I posted

>it.

>

>Reactions?<<

>

>I think Rick has a serious case of craniorectal inversion, or he's in

cahoots with Merck, that's my reaction.

>

>I'm not anti-vaccine by any means, and I applaud the development of the HPV

vaccine. But REQUIRING school girls to have the vaccine? Hell no, and not just

for the financial reasons. This kind of government mandate flies in the face of

Texas' independent spirit, does it not?

>

>>From what I've read, most physicians don't even carry it because it's

prohibitively expensive, and the reimbursement is substantially less than the

cost. Evidently Gov. did not seek the input of physicians before he issued

his executive order.

>

>--

> Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc.

>MEDIC Training Solutions

>http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Don't forget this is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. I don't

think a 12 yoa girl needs it. Later after puberty and the possibility is

discussed about whether or not going to be sexually promiscuous is discussed. I

have a 12 yoa and she won't get it until she is older and knows the risks of sex

outside of marriage.

Tom LeNeveu

Paramedic

Fort Worth Texas

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

No offense Tom, but who are you trying to kid?

*sigh*

The Hep B vaccine saves lives, the polio vaccine saves lives, the HPV vaccine

saves lives. Whether it " promotes premarital sex " is a PARENTING ISSUE, and

those that try to pass it off on Gov. or whoever else are not good

parents.

If you and your daughter are going to discuss all those issues, I applaud you

for being such an excellent father, and being so involved in your daughter's

life. But let's face it, not all parents are like that (unfortunately). If all

parents were like you, we wouldn't be seeing 10 year olds having kids.

Protecting people from their own stupidity sucks, but sometimes ya gotta do

it.

Tanner EMT-B

Tom LeNeveu wrote:

Don't forget this is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. I

don't think a 12 yoa girl needs it. Later after puberty and the possibility is

discussed about whether or not going to be sexually promiscuous is discussed. I

have a 12 yoa and she won't get it until she is older and knows the risks of sex

outside of marriage.

Tom LeNeveu

Paramedic

Fort Worth Texas

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

I agree with my distinguished EMT-B on her opinion. I could toss out a

few more reasons for doing this too, but we wont even touch the

social-economic factors in relation to this topic.

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

No offense Tom, but who are you trying to kid?

*sigh*

The Hep B vaccine saves lives, the polio vaccine saves lives,

the HPV vaccine saves lives. Whether it " promotes premarital sex " is a

PARENTING ISSUE, and those that try to pass it off on Gov. or

whoever else are not good parents.

If you and your daughter are going to discuss all those issues,

I applaud you for being such an excellent father, and being so involved

in your daughter's life. But let's face it, not all parents are like

that (unfortunately). If all parents were like you, we wouldn't be

seeing 10 year olds having kids.

Protecting people from their own stupidity sucks, but sometimes

ya gotta do it.

Tanner EMT-B

Tom LeNeveu <emsleneveu@...

<mailto:emsleneveu%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Don't forget this is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted

disease. I don't think a 12 yoa girl needs it. Later after puberty and

the possibility is discussed about whether or not going to be sexually

promiscuous is discussed. I have a 12 yoa and she won't get it until she

is older and knows the risks of sex outside of marriage.

Tom LeNeveu

Paramedic

Fort Worth Texas

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as

well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose.

Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that

young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

I am not trying to kid anybody. No politician is going to tell me how to raise

my kid. And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually transmitted illness is

not a decision left up to someone not in my family. I have no problem with

other vaccines. I have a problem with this one being forced on my daughter when

there are other ways to prevent such problems.

Tom LeNeveu

Paramedic

Fort Worth Texas

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

Politicians tell you and many others how to raise our kids often, they

make laws all the time telling us what we need to do. whew, I think I

am going to drop this line of debate right here guys... This might get

really hot and I dont want to feed any trolls that may be lurking about.

A. Dempsey EMT-I/FF

University Health System

Department of Correctional Healthcare Services

Bexar County Detention Center

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

I am not trying to kid anybody. No politician is going to tell

me how to raise my kid. And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually

transmitted illness is not a decision left up to someone not in my

family. I have no problem with other vaccines. I have a problem with

this one being forced on my daughter when there are other ways to

prevent such problems.

Tom LeNeveu

Paramedic

Fort Worth Texas

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as

well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose.

Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that

young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

Please. Gov. passed this as an executive order.

IOW, he didn't want to go through the scrutiny of

having his many ties to Merck called into question.

While cervical cancer is a terrible disease (one that

someone I am close to is fighting) it is NOT an

emergency. That is what an executive order is

supposed to be for, to stave off emergencies when

there is no time to convene the Legislature (which is

currently in session). For this to come from a Guv

that has slashed healthcare for millions of children

in Texas is hypocritical at best. If is so

worried about the sexual health of the daughters of

Texas, perhaps he could use his substantial influence

and have actual sex ed come back, rather than teaching

abstinence.

He has financial ties to the phamacutical company that

stands to profit billions off his lone executive

order. He has done nothing to help the uninsured

children of our state. Now, he wants to force parents

to immunize their daughters with a relatively new

immunization against a disease that can't be

transmitted through casual daily contact (all the

other immunizations are for diseases that can be

passed on the playground...).

Don't get me completely wrong. I think this

immunization is a medical breakthrough that has the

potential to make cervical cancer a very rare if not

eradicated disease. As a woman and a friend of women,

that is nothing short of greatness. But for a

politician to try to mandate it ON HIS OWN because

that very company donated $6000 to his re-election,

and has cut funding for sick kids across the state is

beyond anything I am willing to swallow.

I would almost bet that he waited until Molly Ivins

was dead before he pulled this. She would have gone

to town with this...

Connie

P.S. I personally think it is very poor form to

question someone's parenting skills over this. There

are two sides, eh?

--- Lala wrote:

> No offense Tom, but who are you trying to kid?

> *sigh*

> The Hep B vaccine saves lives, the polio vaccine

> saves lives, the HPV vaccine saves lives. Whether it

> " promotes premarital sex " is a PARENTING ISSUE, and

> those that try to pass it off on Gov. or

> whoever else are not good parents.

> If you and your daughter are going to discuss all

> those issues, I applaud you for being such an

> excellent father, and being so involved in your

> daughter's life. But let's face it, not all parents

> are like that (unfortunately). If all parents were

> like you, we wouldn't be seeing 10 year olds having

> kids.

> Protecting people from their own stupidity sucks,

> but sometimes ya gotta do it.

> Tanner EMT-B

>

> Tom LeNeveu wrote:

> Don't forget this is a vaccine for a

> sexually transmitted disease. I don't think a 12 yoa

> girl needs it. Later after puberty and the

> possibility is discussed about whether or not going

> to be sexually promiscuous is discussed. I have a 12

> yoa and she won't get it until she is older and

> knows the risks of sex outside of marriage.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose. Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were

> still that young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

>

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[Guest guest]

They don't do it in executive order. They go through

the process that we have as a state for mandating

laws.

Connie

--- Dempsey

wrote:

> Politicians tell you and many others how to raise

> our kids often, they

> make laws all the time telling us what we need to

> do. whew, I think I

> am going to drop this line of debate right here

> guys... This might get

> really hot and I dont want to feed any trolls that

> may be lurking about.

>

>

>

> A. Dempsey EMT-I/FF

> University Health System

> Department of Correctional Healthcare Services

> Bexar County Detention Center

>

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require

> cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

>

>

>

> I am not trying to kid anybody. No politician is

> going to tell

> me how to raise my kid. And giving a vaccine that is

> used for sexually

> transmitted illness is not a decision left up to

> someone not in my

> family. I have no problem with other vaccines. I

> have a problem with

> this one being forced on my daughter when there are

> other ways to

> prevent such problems.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require

> cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as

> well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose.

> Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter

> were still that

> young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

>

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[Guest guest]

Ok, maybe you didn't understand what I'm trying to say.

You are a good parent. You are raising your kid, and you actually give a crap

about what happens to her, what she learns and when. I absolutely agree with you

that it is your decision- remember you can opt out.

But how many parents are like you? Not enough, I can tell you that. You may be

able to discuss things like this with your daughter, but you know as well as I

do that it just doesn't always happen that way. If it did, we wouldn't have to

worry so much about AIDS, Hep B, etc. That's where the part about protecting

people from their own stupidity comes in, as well as the " license to procreate "

discussion.

Tanner EMT-B

Tom LeNeveu wrote:

I am not trying to kid anybody. No politician is going to tell me how

to raise my kid. And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually transmitted

illness is not a decision left up to someone not in my family. I have no problem

with other vaccines. I have a problem with this one being forced on my daughter

when there are other ways to prevent such problems.

Tom LeNeveu

Paramedic

Fort Worth Texas

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

i stand corrected. my apologies

A. Dempsey EMT-I/FF

University Health System

Department of Correctional Healthcare Services

Bexar County Detention Center

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require

> cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

>

>

>

> I am not trying to kid anybody. No politician is

> going to tell

> me how to raise my kid. And giving a vaccine that is

> used for sexually

> transmitted illness is not a decision left up to

> someone not in my

> family. I have no problem with other vaccines. I

> have a problem with

> this one being forced on my daughter when there are

> other ways to

> prevent such problems.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require

> cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as

> well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose.

> Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter

> were still that

> young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

>

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[Guest guest]

If you really think that's Gov. Goodhair's motivation,

then why aren't we handing out condoms in schools?

Cervical cancer ain't the only STD out there, ya'

know? (Yeah, I'm channeling Ivins! LOL!)

Connie

--- Lala wrote:

> Ok, maybe you didn't understand what I'm trying to

> say.

> You are a good parent. You are raising your kid,

> and you actually give a crap about what happens to

> her, what she learns and when. I absolutely agree

> with you that it is your decision- remember you can

> opt out.

> But how many parents are like you? Not enough, I

> can tell you that. You may be able to discuss things

> like this with your daughter, but you know as well

> as I do that it just doesn't always happen that way.

> If it did, we wouldn't have to worry so much about

> AIDS, Hep B, etc. That's where the part about

> protecting people from their own stupidity comes in,

> as well as the " license to procreate " discussion.

> Tanner EMT-B

>

>

> Tom LeNeveu wrote:

> I am not trying to kid anybody. No

> politician is going to tell me how to raise my kid.

> And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually

> transmitted illness is not a decision left up to

> someone not in my family. I have no problem with

> other vaccines. I have a problem with this one being

> forced on my daughter when there are other ways to

> prevent such problems.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose. Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were

> still that young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

>

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[Guest guest]

Not informing your kid(s) about risks and consequences is poor parenting. If you

don't talk to your kids, and are minimally or not at all involved in their

lives, you are not a good parent. Period.

I absolutely agree with you that Gov. is a hypocrite. I think he

completely sucks. In fact, this is the very first thing I have EVER agreed with

that he's done. However, the way he went about getting this thing passed and why

is just flat f****d up. Impeachment anyone?

BUT... I'm not here to discuss that. I'm here for the medical side of it only.

Tanner EMT-B

PS- Hep B is not spread through casual contact either.

connie mundell wrote:

Please. Gov. passed this as an executive order.

IOW, he didn't want to go through the scrutiny of

having his many ties to Merck called into question.

While cervical cancer is a terrible disease (one that

someone I am close to is fighting) it is NOT an

emergency. That is what an executive order is

supposed to be for, to stave off emergencies when

there is no time to convene the Legislature (which is

currently in session). For this to come from a Guv

that has slashed healthcare for millions of children

in Texas is hypocritical at best. If is so

worried about the sexual health of the daughters of

Texas, perhaps he could use his substantial influence

and have actual sex ed come back, rather than teaching

abstinence.

He has financial ties to the phamacutical company that

stands to profit billions off his lone executive

order. He has done nothing to help the uninsured

children of our state. Now, he wants to force parents

to immunize their daughters with a relatively new

immunization against a disease that can't be

transmitted through casual daily contact (all the

other immunizations are for diseases that can be

passed on the playground...).

Don't get me completely wrong. I think this

immunization is a medical breakthrough that has the

potential to make cervical cancer a very rare if not

eradicated disease. As a woman and a friend of women,

that is nothing short of greatness. But for a

politician to try to mandate it ON HIS OWN because

that very company donated $6000 to his re-election,

and has cut funding for sick kids across the state is

beyond anything I am willing to swallow.

I would almost bet that he waited until Molly Ivins

was dead before he pulled this. She would have gone

to town with this...

Connie

P.S. I personally think it is very poor form to

question someone's parenting skills over this. There

are two sides, eh?

--- Lala wrote:

> No offense Tom, but who are you trying to kid?

> *sigh*

> The Hep B vaccine saves lives, the polio vaccine

> saves lives, the HPV vaccine saves lives. Whether it

> " promotes premarital sex " is a PARENTING ISSUE, and

> those that try to pass it off on Gov. or

> whoever else are not good parents.

> If you and your daughter are going to discuss all

> those issues, I applaud you for being such an

> excellent father, and being so involved in your

> daughter's life. But let's face it, not all parents

> are like that (unfortunately). If all parents were

> like you, we wouldn't be seeing 10 year olds having

> kids.

> Protecting people from their own stupidity sucks,

> but sometimes ya gotta do it.

> Tanner EMT-B

>

> Tom LeNeveu wrote:

> Don't forget this is a vaccine for a

> sexually transmitted disease. I don't think a 12 yoa

> girl needs it. Later after puberty and the

> possibility is discussed about whether or not going

> to be sexually promiscuous is discussed. I have a 12

> yoa and she won't get it until she is older and

> knows the risks of sex outside of marriage.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose. Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were

> still that young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

>

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[Guest guest]

All those vaccines are for diseases that can be spread easily. I

realize a STD can be spread, but it is different. I agree, make it

available, but " Big Brother " shouldn't require it - I think parents

should still have rights about raising their children.

> What about polio, small pox, measles, mumps, rubella,

Hepatitis B; Hepatitis A, Tetanus, Chicken Pox???

>

> All these are required by law as well...

>

> Dudley

>

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

>

> I sit right alongside on this one, to make it available is

one thing. to REQUIRE it, is a different ball of wax.

>

> perhaps one small step over the line.

>

> Hatfield FF/EMT-P

> www.canyonlakefire-ems.org

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> Reply-To: texasems-l

> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:51:45 -0600

>

> >>>This is not purely an EMS topic, but I hope that the moderators

will indulge

> >me for posting this link to articles about Governor 's

executive order to

> >give the vaccine to students.

> >

> >I think it is important for all medical professionals to know, so

I posted

> >it.

> >

> >Reactions?<<

> >

> >I think Rick has a serious case of craniorectal inversion,

or he's in cahoots with Merck, that's my reaction.

> >

> >I'm not anti-vaccine by any means, and I applaud the development

of the HPV vaccine. But REQUIRING school girls to have the vaccine?

Hell no, and not just for the financial reasons. This kind of

government mandate flies in the face of Texas' independent spirit,

does it not?

> >

> >>From what I've read, most physicians don't even carry it because

it's prohibitively expensive, and the reimbursement is substantially

less than the cost. Evidently Gov. did not seek the input of

physicians before he issued his executive order.

> >

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We should be handing out condoms in schools! Absolutely!

I know that wasn't his motivation. He bites like that.

Channel on sister!!

connie mundell wrote:

If you really think that's Gov. Goodhair's motivation,

then why aren't we handing out condoms in schools?

Cervical cancer ain't the only STD out there, ya'

know? (Yeah, I'm channeling Ivins! LOL!)

Connie

--- Lala wrote:

> Ok, maybe you didn't understand what I'm trying to

> say.

> You are a good parent. You are raising your kid,

> and you actually give a crap about what happens to

> her, what she learns and when. I absolutely agree

> with you that it is your decision- remember you can

> opt out.

> But how many parents are like you? Not enough, I

> can tell you that. You may be able to discuss things

> like this with your daughter, but you know as well

> as I do that it just doesn't always happen that way.

> If it did, we wouldn't have to worry so much about

> AIDS, Hep B, etc. That's where the part about

> protecting people from their own stupidity comes in,

> as well as the " license to procreate " discussion.

> Tanner EMT-B

>

>

> Tom LeNeveu wrote:

> I am not trying to kid anybody. No

> politician is going to tell me how to raise my kid.

> And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually

> transmitted illness is not a decision left up to

> someone not in my family. I have no problem with

> other vaccines. I have a problem with this one being

> forced on my daughter when there are other ways to

> prevent such problems.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose. Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were

> still that young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

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Damn girl, I like you! *lol* ;-)

A. Dempsey EMT-I/FF

University Health System

Department of Correctional Healthcare Services

Bexar County Detention Center

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

Not informing your kid(s) about risks and consequences is poor

parenting. If you don't talk to your kids, and are minimally or not at

all involved in their lives, you are not a good parent. Period.

I absolutely agree with you that Gov. is a hypocrite. I

think he completely sucks. In fact, this is the very first thing I have

EVER agreed with that he's done. However, the way he went about getting

this thing passed and why is just flat f****d up. Impeachment anyone?

BUT... I'm not here to discuss that. I'm here for the medical

side of it only.

Tanner EMT-B

PS- Hep B is not spread through casual contact either.

connie mundell <traumasnob@...

<mailto:traumasnob%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

Please. Gov. passed this as an executive order.

IOW, he didn't want to go through the scrutiny of

having his many ties to Merck called into question.

While cervical cancer is a terrible disease (one that

someone I am close to is fighting) it is NOT an

emergency. That is what an executive order is

supposed to be for, to stave off emergencies when

there is no time to convene the Legislature (which is

currently in session). For this to come from a Guv

that has slashed healthcare for millions of children

in Texas is hypocritical at best. If is so

worried about the sexual health of the daughters of

Texas, perhaps he could use his substantial influence

and have actual sex ed come back, rather than teaching

abstinence.

He has financial ties to the phamacutical company that

stands to profit billions off his lone executive

order. He has done nothing to help the uninsured

children of our state. Now, he wants to force parents

to immunize their daughters with a relatively new

immunization against a disease that can't be

transmitted through casual daily contact (all the

other immunizations are for diseases that can be

passed on the playground...).

Don't get me completely wrong. I think this

immunization is a medical breakthrough that has the

potential to make cervical cancer a very rare if not

eradicated disease. As a woman and a friend of women,

that is nothing short of greatness. But for a

politician to try to mandate it ON HIS OWN because

that very company donated $6000 to his re-election,

and has cut funding for sick kids across the state is

beyond anything I am willing to swallow.

I would almost bet that he waited until Molly Ivins

was dead before he pulled this. She would have gone

to town with this...

Connie

P.S. I personally think it is very poor form to

question someone's parenting skills over this. There

are two sides, eh?

--- Lala <emslala@... <mailto:emslala%40yahoo.com> >

wrote:

> No offense Tom, but who are you trying to kid?

> *sigh*

> The Hep B vaccine saves lives, the polio vaccine

> saves lives, the HPV vaccine saves lives. Whether it

> " promotes premarital sex " is a PARENTING ISSUE, and

> those that try to pass it off on Gov. or

> whoever else are not good parents.

> If you and your daughter are going to discuss all

> those issues, I applaud you for being such an

> excellent father, and being so involved in your

> daughter's life. But let's face it, not all parents

> are like that (unfortunately). If all parents were

> like you, we wouldn't be seeing 10 year olds having

> kids.

> Protecting people from their own stupidity sucks,

> but sometimes ya gotta do it.

> Tanner EMT-B

>

> Tom LeNeveu <emsleneveu@...

<mailto:emsleneveu%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

> Don't forget this is a vaccine for a

> sexually transmitted disease. I don't think a 12 yoa

> girl needs it. Later after puberty and the

> possibility is discussed about whether or not going

> to be sexually promiscuous is discussed. I have a 12

> yoa and she won't get it until she is older and

> knows the risks of sex outside of marriage.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose. Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were

> still that young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

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Well, this is kind of scary. We are a group of " medical professionals " and

the common thinking seems to be that the only issues are " sex outside of

marriage " or with a " sexually promiscuous " daughter or " promoting premarital

sex " . It kind of solidifies the thought that it SHOULD be mandated since if

WE (as a majority) don't understand the problem, then the parent working at

the grocery store or industrial plant definitely won't.

The HPV is not contracted from premarital sex, nor is it contracted by being

promiscuous. It is contracted by having unprotected sex with an infected

partner. Whether this unprotected sex occurs before or after marriage is a

non-issue. The issue is what the male partner did before. And if the male

partner is infected with the HPV by whatever means and the female partner

contracts it, there is a distinct possibility of her subsequently developing

cervical cancer, which usually proves fatal.

So even if your daughter " saves herself " for marriage and your new

son-in-law says he has done the same.....that frat party with the stripper..

" oh, I forgot about that one " can prove to be an untimely death for your

daughter. Not to even mention rapes or other circumstances.

Funded or unfunded...mandated or non-mandated...Democrat or Republican....if

you can prevent a fatal illness in your child by getting a $360 vaccine....

do it! I will!

Chambers, LP, AAS

-- Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

I am not trying to kid anybody. No politician is going to tell me how to

raise my kid. And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually transmitted

illness is not a decision left up to someone not in my family. I have no

problem with other vaccines. I have a problem with this one being forced on

my daughter when there are other ways to prevent such problems.

Tom LeNeveu

Paramedic

Fort Worth Texas

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department

[Guest guest]

You know, this is being repeated over and over again, but this is the same

governor that reduced the entire DSHS departmental budgets by 10% and this is

year after year. Pretty soon Maxie will be in an office that was once the mop

closet, all by himself. There is no need for uninsured children to have a cheap

form of medical insurance like CHIP. That would be non-republican. Maybe he

will pay for it with the monies that were allotted to all EMS agencies through

the 911 charges.

Andy Foote

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

If you really think that's Gov. Goodhair's motivation,

then why aren't we handing out condoms in schools?

Cervical cancer ain't the only STD out there, ya'

know? (Yeah, I'm channeling Ivins! LOL!)

Connie

--- Lala wrote:

> Ok, maybe you didn't understand what I'm trying to

> say.

> You are a good parent. You are raising your kid,

> and you actually give a crap about what happens to

> her, what she learns and when. I absolutely agree

> with you that it is your decision- remember you can

> opt out.

> But how many parents are like you? Not enough, I

> can tell you that. You may be able to discuss things

> like this with your daughter, but you know as well

> as I do that it just doesn't always happen that way.

> If it did, we wouldn't have to worry so much about

> AIDS, Hep B, etc. That's where the part about

> protecting people from their own stupidity comes in,

> as well as the " license to procreate " discussion.

> Tanner EMT-B

>

>

> Tom LeNeveu wrote:

> I am not trying to kid anybody. No

> politician is going to tell me how to raise my kid.

> And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually

> transmitted illness is not a decision left up to

> someone not in my family. I have no problem with

> other vaccines. I have a problem with this one being

> forced on my daughter when there are other ways to

> prevent such problems.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states

> to require cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other

> vaccinations as well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so

> choose. Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were

> still that young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

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Excellent comments....

Also don't forget, that HPV can be contracted by contact with genital areas

that are not covered by a condom. Most males have no signs or symptoms of

HPV, and there is no test for men to diagnose HPV. According to the CDC, over

half of sexually active men will have HPV at some time during their life. It

only takes one time to be exposed.

- Kimberley Cunningham

Chambers said:

> Well, this is kind of scary. We are a group of " medical professionals " and

> the common thinking seems to be that the only issues are " sex outside of

> marriage " or with a " sexually promiscuous " daughter or " promoting premarital

> sex " . It kind of solidifies the thought that it SHOULD be mandated since if

> WE (as a majority) don't understand the problem, then the parent working at

> the grocery store or industrial plant definitely won't.

> The HPV is not contracted from premarital sex, nor is it contracted by being

> promiscuous. It is contracted by having unprotected sex with an infected

> partner. Whether this unprotected sex occurs before or after marriage is a

> non-issue. The issue is what the male partner did before. And if the male

> partner is infected with the HPV by whatever means and the female partner

> contracts it, there is a distinct possibility of her subsequently developing

> cervical cancer, which usually proves fatal.

> So even if your daughter " saves herself " for marriage and your new

> son-in-law says he has done the same.....that frat party with the stripper..

> " oh, I forgot about that one " can prove to be an untimely death for your

> daughter. Not to even mention rapes or other circumstances.

> Funded or unfunded...mandated or non-mandated...Democrat or Republican....if

> you can prevent a fatal illness in your child by getting a $360 vaccine....

> do it! I will!

>

> Chambers, LP, AAS

>

>

> -- Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

> cervical-cancervaccine for schoolgirls

>

> I am not trying to kid anybody. No politician is going to tell me how to

> raise my kid. And giving a vaccine that is used for sexually transmitted

> illness is not a decision left up to someone not in my family. I have no

> problem with other vaccines. I have a problem with this one being forced on

> my daughter when there are other ways to prevent such problems.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

> Paramedic

> Fort Worth Texas

>

> Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

> cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

>

> Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

>

> Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

> it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

> she damn sure would get it.

>

> Dick - FF/EMT-B

> Celina Fire Department

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tom, no one is questioning your parenting...but we have all had 12 year old

girls in the back of our units that have admitted to being sexually active

during routine Q & A re abdo pain, ectopics, etc. No, the Governor did not go

about this correctly, and we all have rights as both parents and taxpayers that

get stepped on all of the time, but that in itself does not make the vaccine a

bad idea.

Vernon Gresham

Ganado EMS

Re: Fwd: Merck lobbies states to require

cervical-cancervacc ine for schoolgirls

Shall we remove the requirement for the other vaccinations as well???

Do not forget that parents can opt out if they so choose. Personally,

it seems like a very good thing. If my daughter were still that young,

she damn sure would get it.

Dick - FF/EMT-B

Celina Fire Department