Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 What's the problem here? It's a political problem. It's not an EMS problem. It's not a Fire Department problem. It's a political problem. It's caused because the Mayor and the members of the City Council of San are idiots. What's the remedy for citizens? Go to the polls and vote the people who are in office who allow Mr. Walsh to have a job out of office and elect people who will fire him and change the policies. Simple, no? Well, golly gee! I don't want to pay any more taxes, and I'll probably never use the ambulance, so why should I pay to serve a bunch of people who don't pay taxes? So I'll vote against change and re-elect the guys who promise NO NEW TAXES. OH CRAP! My wife is choking. I can't figure out what to do. She's turning blue. I'll call 911. Ambulance is on the way. (From halfway across town). People just don't get it. We all get the kind of government we deserve, because we have the power to change it. When we don't, we have nobody to blame but ourselves. San is a cesspool of political cronyism, poor government, and failed services. Everybody in the country knows this. It has a sorry, sorry history of this. So why would anybody even think it might be able to provide acceptable EMS service? Don't blame the EMS folks. Blame the politicians and the bureaucrats. They call the shots. GG > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > It is something you might not think about until you, or someone you love, > have a life threatening emergency. How long would it take for an ambulance > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter investigation, Jaie Avila > reveals why a life saving response could be a long time coming. > One night last November, Lois called 911 because her one-year-old > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to breathe. She was born with a narrow > airway. > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy of the 911 call made > that night. > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS SMITH: " We've got a baby > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the bathroom with the shower > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I have a unit on the way. Just > keep her where you are right now, and make sure she's breathing. If she gets > any worse off before we get there call us back at 911 okay? " > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at 's home in the Dominion > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help Chloe breath, all > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask over her face, and wait for > the ambulance. > > " She turned blue several times we could have lost her. We were just > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for that ambulance, oh, it was > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It was horrible. " > > Fire department records we obtained show the ambulance took 24 minutes to > get to 's home. But the family is adamant they waited longer than that, > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San firefighters say these types of > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even with their emergency training > they feel helpless. > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't have any equipment, and so > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance can get there, " says Chris > Steele, president of the San Professional Firefighters Association. > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to reach 's home? There is a > new fire station right across I-10, but it doesn't have an ambulance. > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and Loop 1604, does have an > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, it sat in the station. That's > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It is only on duty part-time, > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher number of emergencies. > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , only 29, have a " full-time " > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " ambulance, or no ambulance at > all. > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. I thought it just went with > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the 's home in the Dominion, > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the closest " full-time " > ambulance, all the way down on Vance near I-10. That is a 14 minute > drive, without traffic. > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So dispatchers had to go to a > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak fire station on road. > It's crew was just returning from another emergency, and had to make the > long trek across the north side, and up to the dominion. > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this size, " says Steele. > > Firefighters union President Steele says it's not just a problem in > one part of town. > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on the far northeast side, the > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes away on Nacogdoches. Again, > that's without traffic. > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What angers Lois is that her > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, and she says they were > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their tax dollars. > > " They should stick to their word and do what they promised, " she says. > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the man who oversees the Fire > and EMS budget, Assistant City Manager Walsh. > > Walsh claims slow response times are rare, and says the city has already > spent a lot of money adding 5 EMS units in the last 2 fiscal years. > > " I'm not hearing that you think there's any problem with the number of > ambulances we have, " Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila recently asked Walsh. > > " I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that I don't know that > adding a $1.2 million dollar EMS unit is the only answer, " responded Walsh. > > Walsh is looking at less expensive options, like putting paramedics on fire > trucks, and making crews work more shifts to increase the number of > ambulances on duty. And he supports the idea of those peak ambulances. > > How can EMS leaders know ahead of time when a peak time is going to be? > > " Surprisingly enough, calls and the types of calls do follow some type of > pattern, " says Walsh. > > But what if your child has a problem breathing and it's not a peak time? > > " Well in those cases we'll have to rely upon the full time unit and at the > same time recognize that there is a minimum of four peak period units at any > one time, " says Walsh. > > Walsh says the city doesn't see the need to convert its seven part time > ambulances to full time. > > That angers many EMS crews and homeowners like Lois who wonders which > one will be on duty, the next time her grand daughter is gasping for air. > > Walsh says the city will add another full time ambulance in july, bringing > San 's total to 30. By comparison, Austin has 31 and Dallas has 35. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Sal, ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call a private service to back them up. First of all, the privates don't have the blessing of their medical director, and there is no system for utilization of private services. It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is naive enough to think it's about patient care needs to take a Valium. What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD were to start dispatching private services to 911 calls? Never will happen. GG > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > services like they are supposed to, according to > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services working > 24 hours. > Salvador Capuchino Jr > EMT-Paramedic > --- wrote: > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until you, > > or someone you love, > > have a life threatening emergency. How long would it > > take for an ambulance > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > reveals why a life saving response could be a long > > time coming. > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > because her one-year-old > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to breathe. > > She was born with a narrow > > airway. > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy of > > the 911 call made > > that night. > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > bathroom with the shower > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I have a > > unit on the way. Just > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > she's breathing. If she gets > > any worse off before we get there call us back at > > 911 okay? " > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at 's > > home in the Dominion > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > Chloe breath, all > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask over > > her face, and wait for > > the ambulance. > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have lost > > her. We were just > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It was > > horrible. " > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant they > > waited longer than that, > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > firefighters say these types of > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even with > > their emergency training > > they feel helpless. > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't have > > any equipment, and so > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance can > > get there, " says Chris > > Steele, president of the San Professional > > Firefighters Association. > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to reach > > 's home? There is a > > new fire station right across I-10, but it doesn't > > have an ambulance. > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and Loop > > 1604, does have an > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, it > > sat in the station. That's > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It is > > only on duty part-time, > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > number of emergencies. > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > all. > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. I > > thought it just went with > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the 's > > home in the Dominion, > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > closest " full-time " > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance near > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > drive, without traffic. > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > dispatchers had to go to a > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > fire station on road. > > It's crew was just returning from another emergency, > > and had to make the > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > dominion. > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > size, " says Steele. > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says it's > > not just a problem in > > one part of town. > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on the > > far northeast side, the > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes away > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > that's without traffic. > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What angers > > Lois is that her > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, and > > she says they were > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their tax > > dollars. > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what they > > promised, " she says. > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the man > > who oversees the Fire > > and EMS budget, Assistant City Manager Walsh. > > > > Walsh claims slow response times are rare, and says > > the city has already > > spent a lot of money adding 5 EMS units in the last > > 2 fiscal years. > > > > " I'm not hearing that you think there's any problem > > with the number of > > ambulances we have, " Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila > > recently asked Walsh. > > > > " I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying > > that I don't know that > > adding a $1.2 million dollar EMS unit is the only > > answer, " responded Walsh. > > > > Walsh is looking at less expensive options, like > > putting paramedics on fire > > trucks, and making crews work more shifts to > > increase the number of > > ambulances on duty. And he supports the idea of > > those peak ambulances. > > > > How can EMS leaders know ahead of time when a peak > > time is going to be? > > > > " Surprisingly enough, calls and the types of calls > > do follow some type of > > pattern, " says Walsh. > > > > But what if your child has a problem breathing and > > it's not a peak time? > > > > " Well in those cases we'll have to rely upon the > > full time unit and at the > > same time recognize that there is a minimum of four > > peak period units at any > > one time, " says Walsh. > > > > Walsh says the city doesn't see the need to convert > > its seven part time > > ambulances to full time. > > > > That angers many EMS crews and homeowners like Lois > > who wonders which > > one will be on duty, the next time her grand > > daughter is gasping for air. > > > > Walsh says the city will add another full time > > ambulance in july, bringing > > San 's total to 30. By comparison, Austin has > > 31 and Dallas has 35. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM Posted By: Maritza Nunez It is something you might not think about until you, or someone you love, have a life threatening emergency. How long would it take for an ambulance to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter investigation, Jaie Avila reveals why a life saving response could be a long time coming. One night last November, Lois called 911 because her one-year-old grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to breathe. She was born with a narrow airway. The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy of the 911 call made that night. 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS SMITH: " We've got a baby that's having trouble breathing. We're in the bathroom with the shower running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I have a unit on the way. Just keep her where you are right now, and make sure she's breathing. If she gets any worse off before we get there call us back at 911 okay? " Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at 's home in the Dominion neighborhood. But without the equipment to help Chloe breath, all firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask over her face, and wait for the ambulance. " She turned blue several times we could have lost her. We were just terrified over the whole thing and that wait for that ambulance, oh, it was the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It was horrible. " Fire department records we obtained show the ambulance took 24 minutes to get to 's home. But the family is adamant they waited longer than that, perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San firefighters say these types of calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even with their emergency training they feel helpless. " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't have any equipment, and so it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance can get there, " says Chris Steele, president of the San Professional Firefighters Association. Why did it take so long for an ambulance to reach 's home? There is a new fire station right across I-10, but it doesn't have an ambulance. The next closest fire station, at Babcock and Loop 1604, does have an ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, it sat in the station. That's because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It is only on duty part-time, whenever the city thinks there might be a higher number of emergencies. In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , only 29, have a " full-time " ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " ambulance, or no ambulance at all. " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. I thought it just went with them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the 's home in the Dominion, was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the closest " full-time " ambulance, all the way down on Vance near I-10. That is a 14 minute drive, without traffic. But that ambulance was busy on another call. So dispatchers had to go to a fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak fire station on road. It's crew was just returning from another emergency, and had to make the long trek across the north side, and up to the dominion. " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this size, " says Steele. Firefighters union President Steele says it's not just a problem in one part of town. For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on the far northeast side, the closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes away on Nacogdoches. Again, that's without traffic. " It is too far, it should be closer. " What angers Lois is that her area was annexed by the city a few years ago, and she says they were promised fast EMS response in exchange for their tax dollars. " They should stick to their word and do what they promised, " she says. The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the man who oversees the Fire and EMS budget, Assistant City Manager Walsh. Walsh claims slow response times are rare, and says the city has already spent a lot of money adding 5 EMS units in the last 2 fiscal years. " I'm not hearing that you think there's any problem with the number of ambulances we have, " Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila recently asked Walsh. " I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that I don't know that adding a $1.2 million dollar EMS unit is the only answer, " responded Walsh. Walsh is looking at less expensive options, like putting paramedics on fire trucks, and making crews work more shifts to increase the number of ambulances on duty. And he supports the idea of those peak ambulances. How can EMS leaders know ahead of time when a peak time is going to be? " Surprisingly enough, calls and the types of calls do follow some type of pattern, " says Walsh. But what if your child has a problem breathing and it's not a peak time? " Well in those cases we'll have to rely upon the full time unit and at the same time recognize that there is a minimum of four peak period units at any one time, " says Walsh. Walsh says the city doesn't see the need to convert its seven part time ambulances to full time. That angers many EMS crews and homeowners like Lois who wonders which one will be on duty, the next time her grand daughter is gasping for air. Walsh says the city will add another full time ambulance in july, bringing San 's total to 30. By comparison, Austin has 31 and Dallas has 35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private services like they are supposed to, according to TDSHS? I am sure there are private services working 24 hours. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- wrote: > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > It is something you might not think about until you, > or someone you love, > have a life threatening emergency. How long would it > take for an ambulance > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > investigation, Jaie Avila > reveals why a life saving response could be a long > time coming. > One night last November, Lois called 911 > because her one-year-old > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to breathe. > She was born with a narrow > airway. > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy of > the 911 call made > that night. > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > SMITH: " We've got a baby > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > bathroom with the shower > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I have a > unit on the way. Just > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > she's breathing. If she gets > any worse off before we get there call us back at > 911 okay? " > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at 's > home in the Dominion > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > Chloe breath, all > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask over > her face, and wait for > the ambulance. > > " She turned blue several times we could have lost > her. We were just > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > that ambulance, oh, it was > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It was > horrible. " > > Fire department records we obtained show the > ambulance took 24 minutes to > get to 's home. But the family is adamant they > waited longer than that, > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > firefighters say these types of > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even with > their emergency training > they feel helpless. > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't have > any equipment, and so > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance can > get there, " says Chris > Steele, president of the San Professional > Firefighters Association. > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to reach > 's home? There is a > new fire station right across I-10, but it doesn't > have an ambulance. > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and Loop > 1604, does have an > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, it > sat in the station. That's > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It is > only on duty part-time, > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > number of emergencies. > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > only 29, have a " full-time " > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > ambulance, or no ambulance at > all. > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. I > thought it just went with > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the 's > home in the Dominion, > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > closest " full-time " > ambulance, all the way down on Vance near > I-10. That is a 14 minute > drive, without traffic. > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > dispatchers had to go to a > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > fire station on road. > It's crew was just returning from another emergency, > and had to make the > long trek across the north side, and up to the > dominion. > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > size, " says Steele. > > Firefighters union President Steele says it's > not just a problem in > one part of town. > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on the > far northeast side, the > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes away > on Nacogdoches. Again, > that's without traffic. > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What angers > Lois is that her > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, and > she says they were > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their tax > dollars. > > " They should stick to their word and do what they > promised, " she says. > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the man > who oversees the Fire > and EMS budget, Assistant City Manager Walsh. > > Walsh claims slow response times are rare, and says > the city has already > spent a lot of money adding 5 EMS units in the last > 2 fiscal years. > > " I'm not hearing that you think there's any problem > with the number of > ambulances we have, " Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila > recently asked Walsh. > > " I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying > that I don't know that > adding a $1.2 million dollar EMS unit is the only > answer, " responded Walsh. > > Walsh is looking at less expensive options, like > putting paramedics on fire > trucks, and making crews work more shifts to > increase the number of > ambulances on duty. And he supports the idea of > those peak ambulances. > > How can EMS leaders know ahead of time when a peak > time is going to be? > > " Surprisingly enough, calls and the types of calls > do follow some type of > pattern, " says Walsh. > > But what if your child has a problem breathing and > it's not a peak time? > > " Well in those cases we'll have to rely upon the > full time unit and at the > same time recognize that there is a minimum of four > peak period units at any > one time, " says Walsh. > > Walsh says the city doesn't see the need to convert > its seven part time > ambulances to full time. > > That angers many EMS crews and homeowners like Lois > who wonders which > one will be on duty, the next time her grand > daughter is gasping for air. > > Walsh says the city will add another full time > ambulance in july, bringing > San 's total to 30. By comparison, Austin has > 31 and Dallas has 35. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and now they are finally utulizing the other private providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers in the area. I know of one FD service that does. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Sal, > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > a private service to > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > have the blessing of their > medical director, and there is no system for > utilization of private services. > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > naive enough to think it's > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > were to start > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > Never will happen. > > GG > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > working > > 24 hours. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > you, > > > or someone you love, > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > would it > > > take for an ambulance > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > long > > > time coming. > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > because her one-year-old > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > breathe. > > > She was born with a narrow > > > airway. > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > of > > > the 911 call made > > > that night. > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > bathroom with the shower > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > have a > > > unit on the way. Just > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > at > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > 's > > > home in the Dominion > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > Chloe breath, all > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > over > > > her face, and wait for > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > lost > > > her. We were just > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > was > > > horrible. " > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > they > > > waited longer than that, > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > firefighters say these types of > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > with > > > their emergency training > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > have > > > any equipment, and so > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > can > > > get there, " says Chris > > > Steele, president of the San > Professional > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > reach > > > 's home? There is a > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > doesn't > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > Loop > > > 1604, does have an > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > it > > > sat in the station. That's > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > is > > > only on duty part-time, > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > all. > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > I > > > thought it just went with > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > 's > > > home in the Dominion, > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > closest " full-time " > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > near > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > fire station on road. > > > It's crew was just returning from another > emergency, > > > and had to make the > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > dominion. > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > it's > > > not just a problem in > > > one part of town. > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > the > > > far northeast side, the > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > away > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > angers > > > Lois is that her > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > and > > > she says they were > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > tax > > > dollars. > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > they > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > man > > > who oversees the Fire > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Sal -- Can you cite a DSHS rule that requires that? -Wes Re: How Long Before They Reach You? Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and now they are finally utulizing the other private providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers in the area. I know of one FD service that does. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Sal, > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > a private service to > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > have the blessing of their > medical director, and there is no system for > utilization of private services. > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > naive enough to think it's > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > were to start > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > Never will happen. > > GG > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > working > > 24 hours. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > you, > > > or someone you love, > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > would it > > > take for an ambulance > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > long > > > time coming. > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > because her one-year-old > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > breathe. > > > She was born with a narrow > > > airway. > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > of > > > the 911 call made > > > that night. > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > bathroom with the shower > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > have a > > > unit on the way. Just > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > at > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > 's > > > home in the Dominion > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > Chloe breath, all > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > over > > > her face, and wait for > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > lost > > > her. We were just > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > was > > > horrible. " > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > they > > > waited longer than that, > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > firefighters say these types of > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > with > > > their emergency training > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > have > > > any equipment, and so > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > can > > > get there, " says Chris > > > Steele, president of the San > Professional > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > reach > > > 's home? There is a > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > doesn't > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > Loop > > > 1604, does have an > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > it > > > sat in the station. That's > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > is > > > only on duty part-time, > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > all. > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > I > > > thought it just went with > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > 's > > > home in the Dominion, > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > closest " full-time " > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > near > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > fire station on road. > > > It's crew was just returning from another > emergency, > > > and had to make the > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > dominion. > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > it's > > > not just a problem in > > > one part of town. > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > the > > > far northeast side, the > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > away > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > angers > > > Lois is that her > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > and > > > she says they were > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > tax > > > dollars. > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > they > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > man > > > who oversees the Fire > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 1.2 million dollars thats could be used to put alot of Firefighters through paramedic school!!! thats right I said it start making firefighters go to paramedic school then you may still have to wait for EMS to transport but at least the Pt. can be stablized while you wait salvador capuchino wrote: Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and now they are finally utulizing the other private providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers in the area. I know of one FD service that does. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Sal, > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > a private service to > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > have the blessing of their > medical director, and there is no system for > utilization of private services. > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > naive enough to think it's > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > were to start > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > Never will happen. > > GG > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > working > > 24 hours. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > you, > > > or someone you love, > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > would it > > > take for an ambulance > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > long > > > time coming. > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > because her one-year-old > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > breathe. > > > She was born with a narrow > > > airway. > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > of > > > the 911 call made > > > that night. > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > bathroom with the shower > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > have a > > > unit on the way. Just > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > at > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > 's > > > home in the Dominion > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > Chloe breath, all > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > over > > > her face, and wait for > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > lost > > > her. We were just > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > was > > > horrible. " > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > they > > > waited longer than that, > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > firefighters say these types of > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > with > > > their emergency training > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > have > > > any equipment, and so > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > can > > > get there, " says Chris > > > Steele, president of the San > Professional > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > reach > > > 's home? There is a > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > doesn't > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > Loop > > > 1604, does have an > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > it > > > sat in the station. That's > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > is > > > only on duty part-time, > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > all. > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > I > > > thought it just went with > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > 's > > > home in the Dominion, > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > closest " full-time " > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > near > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > fire station on road. > > > It's crew was just returning from another > emergency, > > > and had to make the > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > dominion. > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > it's > > > not just a problem in > > > one part of town. > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > the > > > far northeast side, the > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > away > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > angers > > > Lois is that her > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > and > > > she says they were > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > tax > > > dollars. > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > they > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > man > > > who oversees the Fire > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 I asked the same question. Why was the patient not ventilated with BVM? Could it beeeeee......that they didn't have a pedi BVM on the truck? GG > > Hey after re-reading this again...what about a BVM? From another list that > argued EMT-B vs. Paramedic for about 3 weeks...what would a paramedic have > done here that an EMT couldn't have? > > Dudley > > > Re: How Long Before They Reach You? > > Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty > fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the > Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and > now they are finally utulizing the other private > providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all > 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers > in the area. I know of one FD service that does. > Salvador Capuchino Jr > EMT-Paramedic > --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: > > > Sal, > > > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > > a private service to > > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > > have the blessing of their > > medical director, and there is no system for > > utilization of private services. > > > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > > naive enough to think it's > > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > > were to start > > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > > > Never will happen. > > > > GG > > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > > working > > > 24 hours. > > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > > EMT-Paramedic > > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > > you, > > > > or someone you love, > > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > > would it > > > > take for an ambulance > > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > > long > > > > time coming. > > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > > because her one-year-old > > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > > breathe. > > > > She was born with a narrow > > > > airway. > > > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > > of > > > > the 911 call made > > > > that night. > > > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > > bathroom with the shower > > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > > have a > > > > unit on the way. Just > > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > > at > > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > > 's > > > > home in the Dominion > > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > > Chloe breath, all > > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > > over > > > > her face, and wait for > > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > > lost > > > > her. We were just > > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > > was > > > > horrible. " > > > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > > they > > > > waited longer than that, > > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > > firefighters say these types of > > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > > with > > > > their emergency training > > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > > have > > > > any equipment, and so > > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > > can > > > > get there, " says Chris > > > > Steele, president of the San > > Professional > > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > > reach > > > > 's home? There is a > > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > > doesn't > > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > > Loop > > > > 1604, does have an > > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > > it > > > > sat in the station. That's > > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > > is > > > > only on duty part-time, > > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > > all. > > > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > > I > > > > thought it just went with > > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > > 's > > > > home in the Dominion, > > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > > closest " full-time " > > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > > near > > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > > fire station on road. > > > > It's crew was just returning from another > > emergency, > > > > and had to make the > > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > > dominion. > > > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > > it's > > > > not just a problem in > > > > one part of town. > > > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > > the > > > > far northeast side, the > > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > > away > > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > > angers > > > > Lois is that her > > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > > and > > > > she says they were > > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > > tax > > > > dollars. > > > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > > they > > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > > man > > > > who oversees the Fire > > > === message truncated === > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusineshttp://smallhttp://smhttp://sma > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free > AOL Mail and more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Interesting Salvador, Can you get your DSHS rep to please quote the DSHS regulation or the chapter of the Health and Safety Code that says you have to utilize " private providers " ? Actually show me one that says you have to use Mutual Aid at all...I know in your provider licensing packet there is a requirement to have mutual aid agreements...but have never seen any regulation, rule, or statute that requires an agency to use it. Here are 3 questions for the list: 1. How many agencies on here call Mutual Aid to your area when you have available units because they may be closer than your available unit? 2. How many agencies on here have Mutual Aid agreements that guarantee payments if you use a " private " agency (or any agency for that matter) to cover a call in your district (not the recent COG Mutual Aid agreements that talk about reimbursment, but your everyday, put it into your provider license packet mutual aid agreements)? 3. How many agencies have provided mutual aid and when the numbers get high gone to talk to the other agency about a subsidy or cost coverage because you are covering their district VERY frequently? Here is the deal Gene...its about the money. The City of San (COSA) is working to put more ambulances on...see it happening and it is only going to continue...they know they are behind the power curve...but that takes money. Fortunately they have a new City Manager who came from an area where the FD has a well renowned EMS division (and a very famous fire chief) and she is, I believe, making changes... Interesting, COSA recently entered into an agreement with a suburban city to provide " automatic aid " on both fires and ems responses...certain groups within COSA had significant issues because it was seen as an attempt to not build fire stations and hire MORE firefighters (although I believe it is a stop gap measure)...but the suburban city didn't just do this out of the goodness of their heart....their city is getting to annex some land out of the COSA ETJ that has some significant retail establishments and room for more.... COSA does use the varioius private agencies in town...at least those who will cooperate and help...and they are an integral part of the disaster plan...but plugging that in daily would not be feasible because I can tell you from experience...they will want some cash to continually cover these calls.... It does boil down to money...and jobs....and politics....but those are not one-sided....they exist on both sides of this fence in SA, and any other metropolitan area in the country... Dudley Re: How Long Before They Reach You? Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and now they are finally utulizing the other private providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers in the area. I know of one FD service that does. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Sal, > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > a private service to > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > have the blessing of their > medical director, and there is no system for > utilization of private services. > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > naive enough to think it's > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > were to start > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > Never will happen. > > GG > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > working > > 24 hours. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > you, > > > or someone you love, > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > would it > > > take for an ambulance > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > long > > > time coming. > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > because her one-year-old > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > breathe. > > > She was born with a narrow > > > airway. > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > of > > > the 911 call made > > > that night. > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > bathroom with the shower > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > have a > > > unit on the way. Just > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > at > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > 's > > > home in the Dominion > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > Chloe breath, all > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > over > > > her face, and wait for > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > lost > > > her. We were just > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > was > > > horrible. " > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > they > > > waited longer than that, > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > firefighters say these types of > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > with > > > their emergency training > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > have > > > any equipment, and so > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > can > > > get there, " says Chris > > > Steele, president of the San > Professional > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > reach > > > 's home? There is a > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > doesn't > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > Loop > > > 1604, does have an > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > it > > > sat in the station. That's > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > is > > > only on duty part-time, > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > all. > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > I > > > thought it just went with > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > 's > > > home in the Dominion, > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > closest " full-time " > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > near > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > fire station on road. > > > It's crew was just returning from another > emergency, > > > and had to make the > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > dominion. > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > it's > > > not just a problem in > > > one part of town. > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > the > > > far northeast side, the > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > away > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > angers > > > Lois is that her > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > and > > > she says they were > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > tax > > > dollars. > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > they > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > man > > > who oversees the Fire > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Hey after re-reading this again...what about a BVM? From another list that argued EMT-B vs. Paramedic for about 3 weeks...what would a paramedic have done here that an EMT couldn't have? Dudley Re: How Long Before They Reach You? Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and now they are finally utulizing the other private providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers in the area. I know of one FD service that does. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Sal, > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > a private service to > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > have the blessing of their > medical director, and there is no system for > utilization of private services. > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > naive enough to think it's > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > were to start > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > Never will happen. > > GG > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > working > > 24 hours. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > you, > > > or someone you love, > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > would it > > > take for an ambulance > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > long > > > time coming. > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > because her one-year-old > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > breathe. > > > She was born with a narrow > > > airway. > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > of > > > the 911 call made > > > that night. > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > bathroom with the shower > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > have a > > > unit on the way. Just > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > at > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > 's > > > home in the Dominion > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > Chloe breath, all > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > over > > > her face, and wait for > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > lost > > > her. We were just > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > was > > > horrible. " > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > they > > > waited longer than that, > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > firefighters say these types of > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > with > > > their emergency training > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > have > > > any equipment, and so > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > can > > > get there, " says Chris > > > Steele, president of the San > Professional > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > reach > > > 's home? There is a > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > doesn't > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > Loop > > > 1604, does have an > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > it > > > sat in the station. That's > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > is > > > only on duty part-time, > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > all. > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > I > > > thought it just went with > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > 's > > > home in the Dominion, > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > closest " full-time " > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > near > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > fire station on road. > > > It's crew was just returning from another > emergency, > > > and had to make the > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > dominion. > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > it's > > > not just a problem in > > > one part of town. > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > the > > > far northeast side, the > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > away > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > angers > > > Lois is that her > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > and > > > she says they were > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > tax > > > dollars. > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > they > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > man > > > who oversees the Fire > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 If they have an adult BVM they can reverse the mask, put the nose to the lower mouth and will work fine. They just need to be careful to not overinflate. We have to adapt with the tools we have in hand. We don't know the whole story and they may have done something. Don ---- wegandy1938@... wrote: > I asked the same question. Why was the patient not ventilated with BVM? > Could it beeeeee......that they didn't have a pedi BVM on the truck? > > GG > > > > > > > Hey after re-reading this again...what about a BVM? From another list that > > argued EMT-B vs. Paramedic for about 3 weeks...what would a paramedic have > > done here that an EMT couldn't have? > > > > Dudley > > > > > > Re: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > > Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty > > fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the > > Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and > > now they are finally utulizing the other private > > providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all > > 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers > > in the area. I know of one FD service that does. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: > > > > > Sal, > > > > > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > > > a private service to > > > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > > > have the blessing of their > > > medical director, and there is no system for > > > utilization of private services. > > > > > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > > > naive enough to think it's > > > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > > > > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > > > were to start > > > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > > > > > Never will happen. > > > > > > GG > > > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > > > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > > > working > > > > 24 hours. > > > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > > > EMT-Paramedic > > > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > > > you, > > > > > or someone you love, > > > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > > > would it > > > > > take for an ambulance > > > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > > > long > > > > > time coming. > > > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > > > because her one-year-old > > > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > > > breathe. > > > > > She was born with a narrow > > > > > airway. > > > > > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > > > of > > > > > the 911 call made > > > > > that night. > > > > > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > > > bathroom with the shower > > > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > > > have a > > > > > unit on the way. Just > > > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > > > at > > > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > > > 's > > > > > home in the Dominion > > > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > > > Chloe breath, all > > > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > > > over > > > > > her face, and wait for > > > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > > > lost > > > > > her. We were just > > > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > > > was > > > > > horrible. " > > > > > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > > > they > > > > > waited longer than that, > > > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > > > firefighters say these types of > > > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > > > with > > > > > their emergency training > > > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > > > have > > > > > any equipment, and so > > > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > > > can > > > > > get there, " says Chris > > > > > Steele, president of the San > > > Professional > > > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > > > reach > > > > > 's home? There is a > > > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > > > doesn't > > > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > > > Loop > > > > > 1604, does have an > > > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > > > it > > > > > sat in the station. That's > > > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > > > is > > > > > only on duty part-time, > > > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > > > I > > > > > thought it just went with > > > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > > > 's > > > > > home in the Dominion, > > > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > > > closest " full-time " > > > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > > > near > > > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > > > fire station on road. > > > > > It's crew was just returning from another > > > emergency, > > > > > and had to make the > > > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > > > dominion. > > > > > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > > > it's > > > > > not just a problem in > > > > > one part of town. > > > > > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > > > the > > > > > far northeast side, the > > > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > > > away > > > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > > > angers > > > > > Lois is that her > > > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > > > and > > > > > she says they were > > > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > > > tax > > > > > dollars. > > > > > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > > > they > > > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > > > man > > > > > who oversees the Fire > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > http://smallbusineshttp://smallhttp://smhttp://sma > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > Check out the new AOL. 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Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 The media didn't get the facts right? What are you saying sir??? Dudley Re: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > > Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty > > fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the > > Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and > > now they are finally utulizing the other private > > providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all > > 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers > > in the area. I know of one FD service that does. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: > > > > > Sal, > > > > > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > > > a private service to > > > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > > > have the blessing of their > > > medical director, and there is no system for > > > utilization of private services. > > > > > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > > > naive enough to think it's > > > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > > > > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > > > were to start > > > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > > > > > Never will happen. > > > > > > GG > > > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > > > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > > > working > > > > 24 hours. > > > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > > > EMT-Paramedic > > > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > > > you, > > > > > or someone you love, > > > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > > > would it > > > > > take for an ambulance > > > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > > > long > > > > > time coming. > > > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > > > because her one-year-old > > > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > > > breathe. > > > > > She was born with a narrow > > > > > airway. > > > > > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > > > of > > > > > the 911 call made > > > > > that night. > > > > > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > > > bathroom with the shower > > > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > > > have a > > > > > unit on the way. Just > > > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > > > at > > > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > > > 's > > > > > home in the Dominion > > > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > > > Chloe breath, all > > > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > > > over > > > > > her face, and wait for > > > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > > > lost > > > > > her. We were just > > > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > > > was > > > > > horrible. " > > > > > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > > > they > > > > > waited longer than that, > > > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > > > firefighters say these types of > > > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > > > with > > > > > their emergency training > > > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > > > have > > > > > any equipment, and so > > > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > > > can > > > > > get there, " says Chris > > > > > Steele, president of the San > > > Professional > > > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > > > reach > > > > > 's home? There is a > > > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > > > doesn't > > > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > > > Loop > > > > > 1604, does have an > > > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > > > it > > > > > sat in the station. That's > > > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > > > is > > > > > only on duty part-time, > > > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > > > I > > > > > thought it just went with > > > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > > > 's > > > > > home in the Dominion, > > > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > > > closest " full-time " > > > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > > > near > > > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > > > fire station on road. > > > > > It's crew was just returning from another > > > emergency, > > > > > and had to make the > > > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > > > dominion. > > > > > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > > > it's > > > > > not just a problem in > > > > > one part of town. > > > > > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > > > the > > > > > far northeast side, the > > > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > > > away > > > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > > > angers > > > > > Lois is that her > > > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > > > and > > > > > she says they were > > > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > > > tax > > > > > dollars. > > > > > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > > > they > > > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > > > man > > > > > who oversees the Fire > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > http://smallbusineshttp://smallhttp://smhttp://sma > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > Check out the new AOL. 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Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 You hit the nail on the head, It's the media. I was just replying to gene's post.on BVM's. Who knows what all of the facts are. I am not saying they did anything nor am I saying they did more. I simply wait until all the truth comes out. From all the posts, there seems to be a problem and it should be fixed in my mind. Yet, It's politics and until the public puts pressure on the officials they may ignore it. City government does not like to add personnel, period. We experience that in our city. Does the media get all the facts right? Do they really investigate it completely? They do a fair job here, yet they miss a lot. Don ---- THEDUDMAN@... wrote: > The media didn't get the facts right? What are you saying sir??? > > Dudley > > > Re: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > > > > Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty > > > fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the > > > Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and > > > now they are finally utulizing the other private > > > providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all > > > 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers > > > in the area. I know of one FD service that does. > > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > > EMT-Paramedic > > > --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: > > > > > > > Sal, > > > > > > > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > > > > a private service to > > > > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > > > > have the blessing of their > > > > medical director, and there is no system for > > > > utilization of private services. > > > > > > > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > > > > naive enough to think it's > > > > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > > > > > > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > > > > were to start > > > > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > > > > > > > Never will happen. > > > > > > > > GG > > > > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > > > > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > > > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > > > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > > > > working > > > > > 24 hours. > > > > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > > > > EMT-Paramedic > > > > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > > > > you, > > > > > > or someone you love, > > > > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > > > > would it > > > > > > take for an ambulance > > > > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > > > > long > > > > > > time coming. > > > > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > > > > because her one-year-old > > > > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > > > > breathe. > > > > > > She was born with a narrow > > > > > > airway. > > > > > > > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > > > > of > > > > > > the 911 call made > > > > > > that night. > > > > > > > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > > > > bathroom with the shower > > > > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > > > > have a > > > > > > unit on the way. Just > > > > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > > > > at > > > > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > > > > 's > > > > > > home in the Dominion > > > > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > > > > Chloe breath, all > > > > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > > > > over > > > > > > her face, and wait for > > > > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > > > > lost > > > > > > her. We were just > > > > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > > > > was > > > > > > horrible. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > > > > they > > > > > > waited longer than that, > > > > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > > > > firefighters say these types of > > > > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > > > > with > > > > > > their emergency training > > > > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > > > > have > > > > > > any equipment, and so > > > > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > > > > can > > > > > > get there, " says Chris > > > > > > Steele, president of the San > > > > Professional > > > > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > > > > reach > > > > > > 's home? There is a > > > > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > > > > doesn't > > > > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > > > > Loop > > > > > > 1604, does have an > > > > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > > > > it > > > > > > sat in the station. That's > > > > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > > > > is > > > > > > only on duty part-time, > > > > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > > > > I > > > > > > thought it just went with > > > > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > > > > 's > > > > > > home in the Dominion, > > > > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > > > > closest " full-time " > > > > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > > > > near > > > > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > > > > fire station on road. > > > > > > It's crew was just returning from another > > > > emergency, > > > > > > and had to make the > > > > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > > > > dominion. > > > > > > > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > > > > it's > > > > > > not just a problem in > > > > > > one part of town. > > > > > > > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > > > > the > > > > > > far northeast side, the > > > > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > > > > away > > > > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > > > > angers > > > > > > Lois is that her > > > > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > > > > and > > > > > > she says they were > > > > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > > > > tax > > > > > > dollars. > > > > > > > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > > > > they > > > > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > > > > man > > > > > > who oversees the Fire > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > Get your own web address. > > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > > http://smallbusineshttp://smallhttp://smhttp://sma > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > Check out the new AOL. 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Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I couldn't agree more. We in EMS do a crummy job of public education compared to fire and law enforcement. What do we do compared to the relatively constant stream of PR events that law enforcement and the fire service do? On a related note, I thank Lubbock (and Austin) EMS for allowing civilian ride-alongs. It's what got me interested in this field. -Wes Ogilvie Austin TX In a message dated 2/5/2007 10:29:52 AM Central Standard Time, ems@... writes: What? A political problem? The politicians? I am afraid I will have to disagree in part because it is the vote of the people that place like-minded and like-thinking politicians in office to voice their opinion through representation. It is the people that are the problem and need to be educated along with the politicians. No one wants to pay higher taxes, but those that yell the loudest never give consideration for fire and EMS until they need it then it's " where are they at? " . Police on the other hand get all the support they need because what is on the media every night at six and ten? People don't want to lose their " stuff " and that's where their priorities are at until those events that were never given a second thought happen. I'm sorry Gene, but if you educate and inundate the people with those possibilities that they never think about, then support and change will come or maybe that specific tax increase will be tolerated a little easier. Chuck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 In a message dated 2/5/2007 10:42:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: I couldn't agree more. We in EMS do a crummy job of public education compared to fire and law enforcement. I think at times we in EMS give way too much credit to the FD side of this question as in many areas fire prevention is but one week of the year. Yes overall generally speaking I'd rank LE hen FD and then lastly EMS in terms of our public outreach. I'd say the umber one thing anyone in FD or EMS PU ED can do to start with is to get with their areas crime prevention Officers and see how they might be able to tag along with them and the like. I have a sneaking suspicion that they would be more then happy to help. It takes effort and yes some money and that's going to be the perennial problem so if you're interested in doing Injury prevention and the like just like everything else we do one must get creative funding wise and other wise. . Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant Buddhist philosopher at-large LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Home Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I was getting ready to ask the same question. Henry Re: How Long Before They Reach You? Then maybe TDSHS needs to step in in the form of hefty fines for their arrogance. An EMS 911 provider in the Valley had a few too many bad days (3 in a row) and now they are finally utulizing the other private providers in the area. According to a TDSHS rep all 911 providers are supposed to utiize private providers in the area. I know of one FD service that does. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Sal, > > ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! They had rather die than call > a private service to > back them up. First of all, the privates don't > have the blessing of their > medical director, and there is no system for > utilization of private services. > > It's all about turf, my friend. Anybody who is > naive enough to think it's > about patient care needs to take a Valium. > > What do you think the SAFD union would think if SAFD > were to start > dispatching private services to 911 calls? > > Never will happen. > > GG > In a message dated 2/4/07 12:07:25 AM, > scapuchino@... writes: > > > > > > Question: Why isn't SAFD using its local private > > services like they are supposed to, according to > > TDSHS? I am sure there are private services > working > > 24 hours. > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-Paramedic > > --- wrote: > > > > > > > > EMS Ambulances: How Long Before They Reach You? > > > Last Update: Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM > > > > > > Posted By: Maritza Nunez > > > > > > > > > It is something you might not think about until > you, > > > or someone you love, > > > have a life threatening emergency. How long > would it > > > take for an ambulance > > > to reach you? In a News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter > > > investigation, Jaie Avila > > > reveals why a life saving response could be a > long > > > time coming. > > > One night last November, Lois called 911 > > > because her one-year-old > > > grand-daughter, Chloe, was struggling to > breathe. > > > She was born with a narrow > > > airway. > > > > > > The News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters obtained a copy > of > > > the 911 call made > > > that night. > > > > > > 911 DISPATCHER: " San fire and EMS. " LOIS > > > SMITH: " We've got a baby > > > that's having trouble breathing. We're in the > > > bathroom with the shower > > > running hot. " 911 DISPATCHER: " Okay ma'am, I > have a > > > unit on the way. Just > > > keep her where you are right now, and make sure > > > she's breathing. If she gets > > > any worse off before we get there call us back > at > > > 911 okay? " > > > > > > Eight minutes later a fire truck arrived at > 's > > > home in the Dominion > > > neighborhood. But without the equipment to help > > > Chloe breath, all > > > firefighters could do was hold an oxygen mask > over > > > her face, and wait for > > > the ambulance. > > > > > > " She turned blue several times we could have > lost > > > her. We were just > > > terrified over the whole thing and that wait for > > > that ambulance, oh, it was > > > the longest time we ever spent, " says . " It > was > > > horrible. " > > > > > > Fire department records we obtained show the > > > ambulance took 24 minutes to > > > get to 's home. But the family is adamant > they > > > waited longer than that, > > > perhaps as long as 40 minutes. San > > > firefighters say these types of > > > calls are becoming frighteningly common. Even > with > > > their emergency training > > > they feel helpless. > > > > > > " There's no paramedic on the truck, they don't > have > > > any equipment, and so > > > it's basically baby-sitting until an ambulance > can > > > get there, " says Chris > > > Steele, president of the San > Professional > > > Firefighters Association. > > > > > > Why did it take so long for an ambulance to > reach > > > 's home? There is a > > > new fire station right across I-10, but it > doesn't > > > have an ambulance. > > > > > > The next closest fire station, at Babcock and > Loop > > > 1604, does have an > > > ambulance, but the night baby Chloe needed it, > it > > > sat in the station. That's > > > because this ambulance is a " peak " ambulance. It > is > > > only on duty part-time, > > > whenever the city thinks there might be a higher > > > number of emergencies. > > > > > > In fact, of the 50 fire stations in San , > > > only 29, have a " full-time " > > > ambulance . The rest have either a " peak-time " > > > ambulance, or no ambulance at > > > all. > > > > > > " I assumed every fire station had an ambulance. > I > > > thought it just went with > > > them, " says Chloe's mother, Brenya. > > > > > > A second " peak ambulance, " not far from the > 's > > > home in the Dominion, > > > was also off-duty. So dispatchers turned to the > > > closest " full-time " > > > ambulance, all the way down on Vance > near > > > I-10. That is a 14 minute > > > drive, without traffic. > > > > > > But that ambulance was busy on another call. So > > > dispatchers had to go to a > > > fourth option: Sending a unit from the Stone Oak > > > fire station on road. > > > It's crew was just returning from another > emergency, > > > and had to make the > > > long trek across the north side, and up to the > > > dominion. > > > > > > " We don't have enough ambulances for a city this > > > size, " says Steele. > > > > > > Firefighters union President Steele says > it's > > > not just a problem in > > > one part of town. > > > > > > For people in Fox Run and other neighborhoods on > the > > > far northeast side, the > > > closest full-time ambulance is about 12 minutes > away > > > on Nacogdoches. Again, > > > that's without traffic. > > > > > > " It is too far, it should be closer. " What > angers > > > Lois is that her > > > area was annexed by the city a few years ago, > and > > > she says they were > > > promised fast EMS response in exchange for their > tax > > > dollars. > > > > > > " They should stick to their word and do what > they > > > promised, " she says. > > > > > > The Trouble Shooters took these concerns to the > man > > > who oversees the Fire > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL __________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 What? A political problem? The politicians? I am afraid I will have to disagree in part because it is the vote of the people that place like-minded and like-thinking politicians in office to voice their opinion through representation. It is the people that are the problem and need to be educated along with the politicians. No one wants to pay higher taxes, but those that yell the loudest never give consideration for fire and EMS until they need it then it's " where are they at? " . Police on the other hand get all the support they need because what is on the media every night at six and ten? People don't want to lose their " stuff " and that's where their priorities are at until those events that were never given a second thought happen. I'm sorry Gene, but if you educate and inundate the people with those possibilities that they never think about, then support and change will come or maybe that specific tax increase will be tolerated a little easier. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I've been trying to educate " the people " about the need for adequate support for EMS for over 30 years, and things are no better now than they were then. People will gladly spend $1,000 for a Superbowl ticket, or $3,999 for a super high performance TV to watch it on, but if you ask them to pay $50 per year per family to insure good EMS service, they scream like a pig caught under a gate. Gene Gandy > > What? A political problem? The politicians? I am afraid I will have to > disagree in part because it is the vote of the people that place like-minded > and like-thinking politicians in office to voice their opinion through > representation. It is the people that are the problem and need to be > educated along with the politicians. > > No one wants to pay higher taxes, but those that yell the loudest never give > consideration for fire and EMS until they need it then it's " where are they > at? " . Police on the other hand get all the support they need because what > is on the media every night at six and ten? People don't want to lose their > " stuff " and that's where their priorities are at until those events that > were never given a second thought happen. > > I'm sorry Gene, but if you educate and inundate the people with those > possibilities that they never think about, then support and change will come > or maybe that specific tax increase will be tolerated a little easier. > > Chuck > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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