Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 As you all know we are dealing with a group who have decided they have the answer to issues...So I have a list of outcomes I want to see in 4 weeks. They are random and I would like you guys to look at them and help me organize them and word them correctly. 1. and peers will understand respect. What it is to give it and receive it. 2. and peers will understand what a friend is and practice it at all times. 3 will be given tools to be able to approach peers 4 Peers will acknowlege when he speaks to them. 5.Peers will not turn their backs and ignore 6.Peers will gain 's attention when they are speaking to him so that it is not perceived that is ignoring them 7 will use friendship tools appropriately 8 will understand and interpret situations appropriately. 9 will understand when something is inappropriate 10 will approach and inform and adult of an inappropriate situation 11. Peers should understand why adults come in to help and not tease him about it 12. Each student to be held to same standard...( was made to apologize when he hurt someones feelings...teacher did not see, yet when a student hit in the face with a basketball she was not made to apologize because the teacher did not see it.) I am sure I missed many issues ... Ellen mom to 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 That is a great list Ellen. I think what you are asking for is just some decent common sense and courtesy, but you are working with some people who really need it broken down and spelled out--I think you did a good job. (mom to Evan, 18 months) Ellen and Steinbrick wrote: As you all know we are dealing with a group who have decided they have the answer to issues...So I have a list of outcomes I want to see in 4 weeks. They are random and I would like you guys to look at them and help me organize them and word them correctly. 1. and peers will understand respect. What it is to give it and receive it. 2. and peers will understand what a friend is and practice it at all times. 3 will be given tools to be able to approach peers 4 Peers will acknowlege when he speaks to them. 5.Peers will not turn their backs and ignore 6.Peers will gain 's attention when they are speaking to him so that it is not perceived that is ignoring them 7 will use friendship tools appropriately 8 will understand and interpret situations appropriately. 9 will understand when something is inappropriate 10 will approach and inform and adult of an inappropriate situation 11. Peers should understand why adults come in to help and not tease him about it 12. Each student to be held to same standard...( was made to apologize when he hurt someones feelings...teacher did not see, yet when a student hit in the face with a basketball she was not made to apologize because the teacher did not see it.) I am sure I missed many issues ... Ellen mom to 9 --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Ellen, Sometimes, as a V.I. teacher, I have been able to have classroom " simulations " , so that the other students can get a glimpse of what it is like to be blind or have different vision losses. Even as a VI teacher, the thought of having to read braille by touch almost makes me ill! I made name strips for a first grade class after they had braille alphabet cards and it was next to impossible for them to identify any letter by touch. That lead into the necessity of making/obtaining special materials for that student as well as why I was there in class, etc. This works with hearing issues, to a small extent, by having the other kids wear the foam earplugs. Compound that with loud music in the background and have them try to hear what another person is saying to them and repeat it to you! Not as easy as it sounds, as I am sure you can imagine. I saw a wonderful video on learning disabilities at a workshop when the " class " was a group of educational professionals. The " teacher " was presenting extremely technical material in a totally unfamiliar area. The " students " asked for further explanations, for the teacher to go slower, to perhaps use some graphs, charts, etc., to further explain.....the " teacher " would mention things like " if you would just pay attention... " and would talk louder, and become more annoyed... these are things " our " kids experience frequently. It was embarrassing to watch it, knowing that even the most well-meaning teacher has done some of that at one time or another. My point is that simulations and play acting work well, if you have that opportunity. Sometimes I have been able to include a regular ed. student along with my student, and they get to see the difference in the two " worlds " . Dr. Phil's son, Jay McGraw, does whole school anti-bullying presentations and wrote a book several years ago. It has been a big issue in Texas since we are such a melting pot. Good luck; your objectives sound great. Don't you just love 28-day miracles? Kay, VI teacher, with nanny-privileges to & Randy's Garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Hey Ellen, wow!! this is a great list and great plan. I have a question that may or may not be relevant: In reading this, everything starts with --and I understand that--but it seems to me that these goals/statements should be part of any classroom culture and for ALL students to treat each other this way. For example, All students will understand respect -what it is to give and get. All students willunderstand what a friend is and practice good friendship skills. See what I mean? Then, the specifics to : students must look at him (it is for better communication, of course, but when we talk with anyone, we make eye contact; part of respect). I totally understand that this is to help , but one can hope that someone realizes, " hey, this should be for everyone, not just the special needs kid " . Someone also made reference to simulation experiences. I know that New England Center does this--perhaps it is a good step for the STAFF first, then the kids on a different level. If the staff can experience this, perhaps they will have a bit more understanding. (One could only hope). I hate that there is such an obvious double standard for (and you, too). pam Friendship program As you all know we are dealing with a group who have decided they have the answer to issues...So I have a list of outcomes I want to see in 4 weeks. They are random and I would like you guys to look at them and help me organize them and word them correctly. 1. and peers will understand respect. What it is to give it and receive it. 2. and peers will understand what a friend is and practice it at all times. 3 will be given tools to be able to approach peers 4 Peers will acknowlege when he speaks to them. 5.Peers will not turn their backs and ignore 6.Peers will gain 's attention when they are speaking to him so that it is not perceived that is ignoring them 7 will use friendship tools appropriately 8 will understand and interpret situations appropriately. 9 will understand when something is inappropriate 10 will approach and inform and adult of an inappropriate situation 11. Peers should understand why adults come in to help and not tease him about it 12. Each student to be held to same standard...( was made to apologize when he hurt someones feelings...teacher did not see, yet when a student hit in the face with a basketball she was not made to apologize because the teacher did not see it.) I am sure I missed many issues ... Ellen mom to 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Pam, I know I did a lot of will things because I wanted there to be direct accountablity to me for the success/failure of this program. I would like to be able to go down the steps and see if they are mastered. I wanted this group to see that this is more involved than a " super sensitive child " whose feelings are easily hurt. 's teacher when asked if had friends she said " Yes is very friendly " . I asked again if has friends... I then asked her to name one child...without answering that she said that the other students a friendly group. I guess I set it up to prove a point to her. She claims that has no problems in school. I see something very different. I could suggest that all of the students need to know this but I have already stepped on their toes when I told them how to handle the last situation. I'll let you know the meeting is at 2:15 tomorrow.... is attending he said he has a few things to say. Ellen mom to 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Ellen, I kind of figured that--you need the goals directed to HIM to see how they measure it as it directly relates to . Too bad you have to do this, isn't it???? Hopefully, it iwll open their eyes when they have to really look at the criteria you have outlined. I am SOOO glad is attending--what better spokesperson!!! Hopefully, again, they will give him the respect he deserves for facing the group and having to deal with a difficult situation. good luck and we will all be waiting with baited breath (what exactly do you suppose that means???? fishing analogy???) pam Re: Friendship program Pam, I know I did a lot of will things because I wanted there to be direct accountablity to me for the success/failure of this program. I would like to be able to go down the steps and see if they are mastered. I wanted this group to see that this is more involved than a " super sensitive child " whose feelings are easily hurt. 's teacher when asked if had friends she said " Yes is very friendly " . I asked again if has friends... I then asked her to name one child...without answering that she said that the other students a friendly group. I guess I set it up to prove a point to her. She claims that has no problems in school. I see something very different. I could suggest that all of the students need to know this but I have already stepped on their toes when I told them how to handle the last situation. I'll let you know the meeting is at 2:15 tomorrow.... is attending he said he has a few things to say. Ellen mom to 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Ellen beautifuly worded and you know i feel its best to start young and ill tell u why but starting young admit doestn allwasy work but if u can try its good and i say it because ive been in class with mainstream people who will just shout and yell and all thsi stuff very hard for me as you could imagine but also ive had a few people whove said oh we really need to help those kids in the unit and i once said to this person y do u allways help me no one else does you know what she said she said she had a cousin with special needs!!!! so in my opinion unless ur like her who would of already understood when i came in to that class that day you really need help to understand the vision and hearing so you could try give soem lessons on what he can hear and wat he can c even a bit of a charge lesspn would b good my vi did that in year 8 and it kinda worked > > Ellen, > I kind of figured that--you need the goals directed to HIM to see how they > measure it as it directly relates to . Too bad you have to do this, > isn't it???? Hopefully, it iwll open their eyes when they have to really > look at the criteria you have outlined. > I am SOOO glad is attending--what better spokesperson!!! Hopefully, > again, they will give him the respect he deserves for facing the group and > having to deal with a difficult situation. > good luck and we will all be waiting with baited breath (what exactly do > you suppose that means???? fishing analogy???) > > pam > > Re: Friendship program > > Pam, > I know I did a lot of will things because I wanted there to be > direct accountablity to me for the success/failure of this program. I > would like to be able to go down the steps and see if they are > mastered. I wanted this group to see that this is more involved than > a " super sensitive child " whose feelings are easily hurt. 's > teacher when asked if had friends she said " Yes is very > friendly " . I asked again if has friends... I then asked her to > name one child...without answering that she said that the other > students a friendly group. I guess I set it up to prove a point to > her. She claims that has no problems in school. I see something > very different. > I could suggest that all of the students need to know this but I have > already stepped on their toes when I told them how to handle the last > situation. > I'll let you know the meeting is at 2:15 tomorrow.... is attending > he said he has a few things to say. > Ellen mom to 9 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Dear Pam- Now if you hadn't said fishy, I wouldn't have thought twice about this, but you made me wonder, what is this reference to fish breath. So, although your interpretation is infinitely more amusing than Shakespeare's (who gets credit for first coining the phrase) It looks like it's bated breath-meaning abated, or the breath restrained or made gentle.. Now, could you bate baited breath? No doubt-just not on a Monday morning- too much thought process-LOL. Your friend in all things guppy, in Ma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 - I am sure everyone standing close hopes one can bate baited breath. Just a little silly on a Monday...:-) Janay > > Dear Pam- > Now if you hadn't said fishy, I wouldn't have thought twice about this, but > you made me > wonder, what is this reference to fish breath. > So, although your interpretation is infinitely more amusing than > Shakespeare's > (who gets credit for first coining the phrase) > It looks like it's bated breath-meaning abated, or the breath restrained or > made gentle.. > Now, could you bate baited breath? No doubt-just not on a Monday morning- > too much thought process-LOL. > Your friend in all things guppy, > in Ma. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 , This response was hysterical and I have made many a colleague here laugh this morning. Only to add to the overall enjoyment was your response, Janay!! Too funny, but a great way to start the Monday a.m.. pam > > > > > Dear Pam- > Now if you hadn't said fishy, I wouldn't have thought twice about this, but > you made me > wonder, what is this reference to fish breath. > So, although your interpretation is infinitely more amusing than > Shakespeare's > (who gets credit for first coining the phrase) > It looks like it's bated breath-meaning abated, or the breath restrained or > made gentle.. > Now, could you bate baited breath? No doubt-just not on a Monday morning- > too much thought process-LOL. > Your friend in all things guppy, > in Ma. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 So this is the deal, has 2 separate issues 1. problem solving 2 making friends ( this is them not me I could not squeeze into only 2 issues) Issue # 1 will be given 10 disks that say I have a problem he is to hand it to an adult and they are to fill out a questionaire and discuss the problem . Come up with solutions . Send him back to class then send the sheet home to me to be discussed ONLY one time. Then it is dropped. It is to be the adult of his choosing..He selected the principal...Today she is absent Second choice is the school counselor and she too is absent today... Oddly did not pick his teacher... I attempted to bring up CHARGE and OCD and I was cut off...they feel is a child who believes he is " entitled " so his reaction to situations and his behavior is brought on by him being a spoiled child. So this will fix everything.... Issue # 2 They have reassigned a para to recess to play with and 7 students. So this will fix that. There you have it ........Let the Magic begin! Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 is spoiled? Hmmm ive heard that one used on me. I was tormented worse at school by students after the teachers gave me that lable. Sounds like hes got that school i went to in grade 5 and 8. I wonder why the school dosnt want to face the real problem? How can they say he is spoiled? How are they basing that on? God i hate it when teachers assume any supports to help a special needs kid makes them spoiled... I think im gonna stop here, I can feel my brain grumbling on this one... Chantelle > > So this is the deal, > has 2 separate issues > 1. problem solving > 2 making friends > ( this is them not me I could not squeeze into only 2 issues) > Issue # 1 > > will be given 10 disks that say I have a problem he is to hand > it > to an adult and they are to fill out a questionaire and discuss the > problem . Come up with solutions . Send him back to class then send > the sheet home to me to be discussed ONLY one time. Then it is > dropped. > It is to be the adult of his choosing..He selected the > principal...Today she is absent > Second choice is the school counselor and she too is absent today... > Oddly did not pick his teacher... > I attempted to bring up CHARGE and OCD and I was cut off...they feel > is a child who believes he is " entitled " so his reaction to > situations and his behavior is brought on by him being a spoiled > child. > So this will fix everything.... > > > Issue # 2 > > They have reassigned a para to recess to play with and 7 > students. > > So this will fix that. > > There you have it ........Let the Magic begin! > Ellen > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 It never ceases to amaze me how normal adults (probably with healthy, medically unremarkable children) can jump into a situation such as yours and 's and proclaim that the root of the problem is that is " spoiled. " If was a typical, healthy kiddo I mighty agree with that assessment. But he isn't...and they aren't even making an attempt to take that into account. Ignorant kids grow up to be ignorant adults--and the cycle at this school seems doomed to repeat itself... (mom to Evan, 18 months with CHARGE) Ellen and Steinbrick wrote: So this is the deal, has 2 separate issues 1. problem solving 2 making friends ( this is them not me I could not squeeze into only 2 issues) Issue # 1 will be given 10 disks that say I have a problem he is to hand it to an adult and they are to fill out a questionaire and discuss the problem . Come up with solutions . Send him back to class then send the sheet home to me to be discussed ONLY one time. Then it is dropped. It is to be the adult of his choosing..He selected the principal...Today she is absent Second choice is the school counselor and she too is absent today... Oddly did not pick his teacher... I attempted to bring up CHARGE and OCD and I was cut off...they feel is a child who believes he is " entitled " so his reaction to situations and his behavior is brought on by him being a spoiled child. So this will fix everything.... Issue # 2 They have reassigned a para to recess to play with and 7 students. So this will fix that. There you have it ........Let the Magic begin! Ellen --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Well Ellen, I think this is simply amazing. Stand alone stunning. I really appreciate how you have laid it all out for exactly what it is. It is what it is. I also delight in your closing - " Let the Magic begin! " Open to miracles. In our family it is our own peculiar brand of sarcasm - we call it " doubt as a positive affirmation " . ) I am holding a place in my heart where all parties involved with will have clarity on the truth about him and their part in it, for the greatest good of and the greatest good for all, and for all resistance beneath the surface to dissolve completely opening a path to willingness and healing.... ohmygoodness - it seems like it is hard enough already. When the people who are " helping " us are confused, it just makes the day all that much longer.... the best to you and your family- yuka Ellen and Steinbrick wrote: So this is the deal, has 2 separate issues 1. problem solving 2 making friends ( this is them not me I could not squeeze into only 2 issues) Issue # 1 will be given 10 disks that say I have a problem he is to hand it to an adult and they are to fill out a questionaire and discuss the problem . Come up with solutions . Send him back to class then send the sheet home to me to be discussed ONLY one time. Then it is dropped. It is to be the adult of his choosing..He selected the principal...Today she is absent Second choice is the school counselor and she too is absent today... Oddly did not pick his teacher... I attempted to bring up CHARGE and OCD and I was cut off...they feel is a child who believes he is " entitled " so his reaction to situations and his behavior is brought on by him being a spoiled child. So this will fix everything.... Issue # 2 They have reassigned a para to recess to play with and 7 students. So this will fix that. There you have it ........Let the Magic begin! Ellen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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