National Registry NeySayers

January 31, 2007

In a message dated 1/31/2007 2:00:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,

kenneth.navarro@... writes:

Has the end of civilization been canceled or just postponed?

Postponed for many RURAL folks but hey everyone can drive across the state

for a 2 hours or so test gas is under 2 bucks in Aggieland.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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January 31, 2007

I just don't understand what all the Hoop La is all about. Them fellers down

there to the National Registry is just trying to do what is best fo us no matter

what. Why don't yall just let them do their fine work and let them alone.

NR, NR, all the way.

Henry

January 31, 2007

In a message dated 1/31/2007 4:01:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,

je.hill@... writes:

Let's just rephrase the comment and I think it would be more accurate.

" People who complete a quality distance education program are generally more

self-motivated. " I have LOTS of folks who don't complete. But the ones who do

typically do pretty well. So again, I DO know it can work even without

mandatory required hours for CE unless it is a necessary hands-on skill type

thing. It just has to be handled in a quality format.

Jane Hill

Yep I'd agree but I'd add this.

In ways the subject itself can be a factor. I did fine in every college

level course I took via online and other distance models. My grades were high C

to A+ overall. Then along came a bastard known as statistics! I die over and

over and over, I even got a retired stats professor from A & M to tutor me

thanks to knowing some other retired A & M faculty. Sill NOTHING can't get

better then a lousy D in the online version of the class BUT the I took the

class

in a traditaionl setting with a decent teacher and i got the C I needed to

add to my degree checklist. I might take another 20 years but I will get a

freaking BA or BS at some point if it's the day before i die!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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January 31, 2007

Henry,

Have you changed your opinion about the NR ?

Henry Barber wrote:

I just don't understand what all the Hoop La is all about. Them

fellers down there to the National Registry is just trying to do what is best fo

us no matter what. Why don't yall just let them do their fine work and let them

alone.

NR, NR, all the way.

Henry

January 31, 2007

From reading these messages a few months ago, I thought the world would

end on 01 January when the National Registry began the CAT program. At

least here in Dallas, life goes on.

One of our graduating classes has taken the computer test, had no

trouble whatsoever, and has already received their scores.

Has the end of civilization been canceled or just postponed?

Kenny Navarro

January 31, 2007

I was thinking that maybe someone should call 9-1-1 for Henry. Henry you

feeling O.K. have you fallen and hit your head lately, I'm sense a change in

mental status here.

Debbie

National Registry NeySayers

I just don't understand what all the Hoop La is all about. Them fellers down

there to the National Registry is just trying to do what is best fo us no

matter what. Why don't yall just let them do their fine work and let them

alone.

NR, NR, all the way.

Henry

January 31, 2007

I think Civilization just wants to know why if we can now take testing by

electronic means, that other parts of National Registry seems to be so archaic

and want that fixed as well.

Jane Hill

-------------- Original message from " Kenny Navarro "

: --------------

From reading these messages a few months ago, I thought the world would

end on 01 January when the National Registry began the CAT program. At

least here in Dallas, life goes on.

One of our graduating classes has taken the computer test, had no

trouble whatsoever, and has already received their scores.

Has the end of civilization been canceled or just postponed?

Kenny Navarro

January 31, 2007

I took Statistics twice (undergrad and grad school). One of the hardest

classes I've ever taken, and one of the most worthwhile. Statistics should be

required for anyone in medicine -- it helps you critically evaluate and

examine most research.

-Wes Ogilvie

In a message dated 1/31/2007 6:24:56 PM Central Standard Time,

je.hill@... writes:

I took Statistics as well and it almost kicked my booty. But I think there

is NO comparison between online versus traditional Statistics class and EMS

classes.....I took Statistics as well and it almost kicked my booty. But I

Jane Hill

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In a message dated 1/31/2007 4:01:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,

_je.hill@...._ (mailto:je.hill@...) writes:

Let's just rephrase the comment and I think it would be more accurate.

" People who complete a quality distance education program are generally more

self-motivated.self-motivated.<WBR> " I have LOTS of folks who don't complete.

But

typically do pretty well. So again, I DO know it can work even without

mandatory required hours for CE unless it is a necessary hands-on skill type

thing. It just has to be handled in a quality format.

Jane Hill

Yep I'd agree but I'd add this.

In ways the subject itself can be a factor. I did fine in every college

level course I took via online and other distance models. My grades were

high C

to A+ overall. Then along came a bastard known as statistics! I die over and

over and over, I even got a retired stats professor from A & M to tutor me

thanks to knowing some other retired A & M faculty. Sill NOTHING can't get

better then a lousy D in the online version of the class BUT the I took the

class

in a traditaionl setting with a decent teacher and i got the C I needed to

add to my degree checklist. I might take another 20 years but I will get a

freaking BA or BS at some point if it's the day before i die!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/FF/N

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Freelance CoFreelance Consultant/Trainer

Buddhist philosopher at-large

_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

(Cell Phone)

(Home Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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original author.

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January 31, 2007

In a message dated 1/31/2007 7:53:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

I took Statistics twice (undergrad and grad school). One of the hardest

classes I've ever taken, and one of the most worthwhile. Statistics should

be

required for anyone in medicine -- it helps you critically evaluate and

examine most research.

It is a foreign language in mathematics.

I did get it and I even think I understand much of it at the elemental level

BUT more from the idiots Guide I got at and Nobles.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

Buddhist philosopher at-large

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Home Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

January 31, 2007

>>> I think Civilization just wants to know why if we can now take

testing by electronic means, that other parts of National Registry

seems to be so archaic and want that fixed as well. <<<

I am certainly in no position to speak to why the National Registry

does anything, but perhaps the change is coming - one step at a time.

Although it leaves a bad taste in mouth to say this, I actually agree

with many of the points Gene made a few posts ago. There are many

investigations that demonstrate improved performance following

continuing education classes. However, there has been no definitive

link established between continuing education and improved patient

outcomes.

I am not sure that the statement " . . . people who would do a

distance learning program are the ones that are self-motivated . . . "

is a true statement. I know many people who take on-line CE because

it is the fastest way to accumulate the requisite number of hours.

I don't have enough information to say that mandatory CE

is " worthless, " but I think it reasonable to question if the concept

should continue in its present form. Should EMS providers be allowed

to gain all of their CE on-line? Even if the CE agency can't

guarantee that the student is the one who finished the class?

If not all, how much CE should be obtained on-line and how much

should be " live? " Should we be required to have CE in certain

categories? If CE doesn't improve patient outcomes, should we even

be required to do it?

I have more questions than answers. But I do know that the National

Registry is not an instrument of the devil.

Kenny Navarro

Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And hain't that a

big enough majority in any town? - Mark Twain

January 31, 2007

Let's just rephrase the comment and I think it would be more accurate. " People

who complete a quality distance education program are generally more

self-motivated. " I have LOTS of folks who don't complete. But the ones who do

typically do pretty well. So again, I DO know it can work even without

mandatory required hours for CE unless it is a necessary hands-on skill type

thing. It just has to be handled in a quality format.

Jane Hill

-------------- Original message from " Kenny Navarro "

: --------------

>>> I think Civilization just wants to know why if we can now take

testing by electronic means, that other parts of National Registry

seems to be so archaic and want that fixed as well. <<<

I am certainly in no position to speak to why the National Registry

does anything, but perhaps the change is coming - one step at a time.

Although it leaves a bad taste in mouth to say this, I actually agree

with many of the points Gene made a few posts ago. There are many

investigations that demonstrate improved performance following

continuing education classes. However, there has been no definitive

link established between continuing education and improved patient

outcomes.

I am not sure that the statement " . . . people who would do a

distance learning program are the ones that are self-motivated . . . "

is a true statement. I know many people who take on-line CE because

it is the fastest way to accumulate the requisite number of hours.

I don't have enough information to say that mandatory CE

is " worthless, " but I think it reasonable to question if the concept

should continue in its present form. Should EMS providers be allowed

to gain all of their CE on-line? Even if the CE agency can't

guarantee that the student is the one who finished the class?

If not all, how much CE should be obtained on-line and how much

should be " live? " Should we be required to have CE in certain

categories? If CE doesn't improve patient outcomes, should we even

be required to do it?

I have more questions than answers. But I do know that the National

Registry is not an instrument of the devil.

Kenny Navarro

Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And hain't that a

big enough majority in any town? - Mark Twain

January 31, 2007

As you all know we have completed the first month of NR Computer Base

Testing (CBT) and I can honestly say I've waited 31 days for your comments.

Let me

began by saying I plan to have an official report of CBT at GETAC in

February, it is early in the CBT process and I have been monitoring this

process

very closely.

I appreciate your comments and support these past 6 months and I want you to

know we are working to improve the process. I understand there are some

changes you all would like to occur with the NR, I ask you all to be patient I

am listening to your comments but like most things it takes time. If you are

not involed in GETAC I encourage you to participate. If you can't attend the

meetings please ask someone who attended to give you the information.

Please forgive me because I may have misread some of your post and also know

I am not attempting to defend the NR or fuel a debate just want to share

some information. I dont have all of the statistics yet but there have been

approximately 450 Texans sit for the NR exam and the over pass rate is

approximately 75% the vast majority of these testers have been EMT-B. There are

a

couple paramedic programs beginning to test so I will have a better picture

soon.

If anyone took the paper and pencil exam and have not received their results

I encourage them to contact the NR. I've been told that they will have

graded all of these exams by February 1st which is in about 10 minutes from

now.

If you all experience any problems with NR please send me an e-mail at

_maxie.bishop@..._ (mailto:maxie.bishop@...) and I

will

address your concerns and it will give me a better idea of any problems you

all are facing. I will keep you all posted and as I said I will give a full

report at GETAC.

Sorry but my eyes are tired, again thanks for the support and feedback.

Maxie

January 31, 2007

It can't be too much sun while fishing... maybe the aliens got the REAL Henry

and this one is a plant!

Debbie Fishbeck wrote: I was thinking that

maybe someone should call 9-1-1 for Henry. Henry you

feeling O.K. have you fallen and hit your head lately, I'm sense a change in

mental status here.

Debbie

National Registry NeySayers

I just don't understand what all the Hoop La is all about. Them fellers down

there to the National Registry is just trying to do what is best fo us no

matter what. Why don't yall just let them do their fine work and let them

alone.

NR, NR, all the way.

Henry

January 31, 2007

Maxie,

Thanks for the update and again, like others have said, the dedication you are

showing to this position.

One other thing I would like to ask, looking at the DSHS website I see 19

testing sites for civilians (plus 2 DoD sites)...was PersonVUE able to get

something at Sul Ross in Alpine or down in that area?

Dudley

Re: National Registry NeySayers

As you all know we have completed the first month of NR Computer Base

Testing (CBT) and I can honestly say I've waited 31 days for your comments. Let

me

began by saying I plan to have an official report of CBT at GETAC in

February, it is early in the CBT process and I have been monitoring this process