experiences with nutritionist/le

[Guest guest]

I think a lot of us have had this experience with the nutritionist. When the

doctor put me on insulin I went to the nutrionist and she insisted that I should

eat some cereal and milk as a snack for bedtime because I could experience a

low. All I got was a very high blood sugar in the morning. I disregarded her

advice. I have been injecting for a year now and I have yet to experience a

low. I think diabetics type 2 who are insulin resistant and overweight should

not be treated like type 1 diabetics who have lost the ability to make insulin.

I also read the posts of diabetics who are reaching for a very low fasting blood

sugar that can be very dangerous. I think that as long as your daytime numbers

are good you should not worry about slightly elevated blood sugar. One of my

friends who developped diabetes in his thirties and is on insulin almost died

one night. His wife was out of town and he fell asleep watching tv and went

into a coma. Luckily one of his little daughters was woken up by the sound of

the tv and came down just in time to call 911 and save her father. I have

another friend, in his thirties who went into a diabetic coma while alone and

died. le

[Guest guest]

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> One of my friends who developped diabetes in his thirties and is on

insulin almost died one night. His wife was out of town and he fell

asleep watching tv and went into a coma. Luckily one of his little

daughters was woken up by the sound of the tv and came down just in

time to call 911 and save her father. I have another friend, in his

thirties who went into a diabetic coma while alone and died. le

Oh le, I'm so sorry to hear this happened. Bless your heart, that

is quite scarey. I know that must be really hard.

[Guest guest]

le,

You made the comment that Type 2 Diabetics shouldn't be treated

the same way as Type 1s. Well, not all Type 2s are that way to

start off with but after a time they will end up on insulin:

about 60% of Type 2 Diabetics must be on insulin after about 10

or 15 years and the reason is b/c the oral meds no longer work

for them.

Some like my mom can't handle the oral medications after having

tried them several times.

And the reason that they can't handle it is b/c of the side

effects with the meds. And that's in addition to the fact that

they do stop working after a while for a number of people. My

mom has been Diabetic for almost 20 years.

If she isn't supposed to be treated like a Type 1 under the

circumstances, how is she supposed to control her blood sugars?

She would most likely be dead right now if it weren't for

insulin.

So I am wondering what your suggestion would be on how to treat

Type 2s if insulin is not the answer for some of the Type 2s

like my mom according to your opinion.

Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

Kristy

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[Guest guest]

I have no answer. I am only saying what works for type 1 may not work for type

2. Even though the illness is about blood sugar it is 2 different diseases in my

opinion. Type 1 does not have the beta cells to produce insulin and type 2 FAT

produces plenty of insulin but seems to be immune to it. We are told that we eat

too much and that fat cells are the problem. Our bodies have been conditioned

for thousands of years to behave a certain way because of starvation was always

a present danger. Farming has changed and we now have cheap and reliable foods.

I heard that the Indian continent is bracing for an enormous epidemic of type 2

in the coming years. I am sure you have heard all that. I am grateful that

researchers are working on the type 2 problem. le

[Guest guest]

>

> I have no answer. I am only saying what works for type 1 may not work for

> type 2. Even though the illness is about blood sugar it is 2 different

> diseases in my opinion. Type 1 does not have the beta cells to produce

> insulin and type 2 FAT produces plenty of insulin but seems to be immune to

> it.

I understand what you are saying. However, I've never heard of a medicine,

outside of the typical oral meds available, that addresses these specific

aspects of Type 2 diabetes. Typically, oral meds are the first line of

treatment for Type 2. After that, it's insulin.

The only other 'treatment' is altering your diet. In my opinion, a human

body is a human body. A healthy diet that meets your nutritional needs and

is appropriate for your activity level is the same, whether you have Type

1, Type 2 or don't have diabetes at all. If you are overweight, a healthy

diet will make you lose weight. If you are eating nothing by carbs and

sugar, a healthy diet will fix that. The presence or absence of this

disease does not change what your body needs to continue to produce muscle,

repair itself, and do all the normal things that a body does.

Of course, the 'best case' scenerio for a Type 2 is that eating a healthy

diet brings your blood sugar under control.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mike,

Yes you understood what I was trying to say. I am keeping a journal and

counting calories to see if it helps. After all, if you take less calories in

that you need you should logically lose weight! We will see what happens. I

will report back in the fall. The only thing that seems to lower my bs is

lifting weight. I don't even need to do that much. Since January I have been

suffering with plantar fasciatis on my left heel. I am feeling better now but I

could not go anywhere as I was in tremendous pain. I did a lot of shopping

online.

Anyone got a bowflex? my husband wants to get one. He is 65 and is in great

shape. I would love to hear some feedback.. le

[Guest guest]

>

> I have no answer. I am only saying what works for type 1 may not

work for type 2. Even though the illness is about blood sugar it is 2

different diseases in my opinion.

You are right, they are treated differently. They underlying problem

causing the disease is different as well.

[Guest guest]

My mom is 79 now, has had diabetes over 20 years, and has gradually

gone from 4 pills a day to 1 pill a day, and is not in insulin and

has never had to go on it. She has gotten better control over the

years and I don't think she will ever be on insulin. I don't think

every diabetic type 2 will eventually be on insulin, some will and

some won't. It just depends on the individual.

>

> le,

>

> You made the comment that Type 2 Diabetics shouldn't be treated

> the same way as Type 1s. Well, not all Type 2s are that way to

> start off with but after a time they will end up on insulin:

> about 60% of Type 2 Diabetics must be on insulin after about 10

> or 15 years and the reason is b/c the oral meds no longer work

> for them.

>

> Some like my mom can't handle the oral medications after having

> tried them several times.

>

> And the reason that they can't handle it is b/c of the side

> effects with the meds. And that's in addition to the fact that

> they do stop working after a while for a number of people. My

> mom has been Diabetic for almost 20 years.

>

> If she isn't supposed to be treated like a Type 1 under the

> circumstances, how is she supposed to control her blood sugars?

> She would most likely be dead right now if it weren't for

> insulin.

>

> So I am wondering what your suggestion would be on how to treat

> Type 2s if insulin is not the answer for some of the Type 2s

> like my mom according to your opinion.

>

> Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

>

> Kristy

>

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>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

le,

You are right that they are two different types of Diabetes but

as for Type 2 and the fat cells again you are partially right

but not everyone who is Type 2 is fat. There are some that are

very skinny and have it too b/c of genetics or racial factors.

But not everyone who is Type 2 overeats. That's why I bring up

the genetic and racial factors as being part of the issue for

some people. I've heard the experts say that the obesity factor

is due to overeating but that doesn't mean it's true in every

case. Some people are overweight or obese b/c of other medical

problems such as thyroid disorders.

As for the research issue, I've not seen much new research on

Type 2 not that I would completely rely on it b/c with the

research it's just based on a small group that has been studied

(for whatever the study is for) and then taking the theories and

testing them to make an educated guess (meaning that it's an

opinion).

This is why Diabetes whether Type 1 or Type 2 does not fit

everyone the same way.

But for someone like my mom that has had the disease for a while

some need to be on insulin in order to live. We learned in the

Diabetic Education class that if a Type 2 Diabetic is taking 3

or 4 different meds to control the sugars that it's time to

consider insulin b/c those oral meds (even if one doesn't have a

lot of problems) does eventually stop working: after about 10 or

15 years. I thought that was interesting.

Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

Kristy

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[Guest guest]

Mike,

My mom has done the best that she can with her diet and

continues to do so but at the time she was still having issues

with her numbers. They are better than they were before she was

on the insulin.

Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

Kristy

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