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In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the drug? I'll bet

OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

Why?

We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs delivered via

" aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the workplace.

Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of the truck is

" exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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We have been using Atomized versed as the first drug of choice for status

Sz for over a year now. It is delivered nasally using a MAD device that

attaches with a luer-slip to a 1 or 3 cc syringe. Since it is inserted into a

nare and delivered there is no risk of the EMS crew inhaling it--Unless the

medics pulls a ny and Roy and disperses it in the air.

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True story: Medic gets toned out at 0310 on a chest pain. Jumps up from a

deep sleep. Reaches into his pocked for the Binaca, but instead he grabs

the canister of NTG that he had absent mindedly left in his pocket. One blast

of NTG and things went South for a few minutes.

GG

>

> Yes we have albuterol, oxygen and nitro. But let me ask you this, have

> you never had an incident where you have gotten a little (although

> minute) NTG while spraying it into a pt's mouth? Personally, I have

> seen it, so if this happens to your medic what happens then. But hey,

> most places still go by that old stand by rule of zero tolerance and

> dont believe in second hand exposure to drugs by inhalation.

>

> Re: atomized Versed

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%mailto:bbledmai>

> writes:

>

> How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

> drug? I'll bet

> OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

>

> Why?

>

> We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

> delivered via

> " aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

> workplace.

>

> Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

> the truck is

> " exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consul

> Consultant

> Buddhist philosopher at-large

> LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN>

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Home Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small

> minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884

> - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

> author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

>

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

> associated with unless I

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> intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials

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Is that the one with the coloring book supplement? <GRIN>

-Wes

In a message dated 1/28/2007 12:09:57 AM Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

That is what you get for reading the Mosby book.

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From: _texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l )

[mailto:_texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l ) ] On

Behalf Of D.E. (Donn)

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:54 PM

To: _texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l )

Subject: RE: atomized Versed

NTG side effect = gastronomic euphoria? Interesting. Haven't seen that in

any of the texts.

Donn

Re: atomized Versed

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> bbledsoe (AT) earthlink (DOT) <mailto:bbledsoe%mailto:bbledmai> bbl

<mailto:bbledsoe%mailto:bbledsoe>

> writes:

>

> How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

> drug? I'll bet

> OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

>

> Why?

>

> We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

> delivered via

> " aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

> workplace.

>

> Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

> the truck is

> " exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consul

> Consultant

> Buddhist philosopher at-large

> LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) <mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN> LNM <mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN>

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Home Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small

> minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884

> - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

> author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

>

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This approach is new news to me but I can understand how it would work.

Would like to here either here or offline what type of success you have had

with it and what if any documentation is out on it. This may be something I

can bring up to my EMS Officer and my Medical Director

Quinten

Firefighter/EMT-LP

What do you think of Etomidate?

Hello Group. I would like to know from those of you that use

Etomidate, how you feel about it. I am researching it for use in our

system and am currently looking at the benefits and complications of

this drug. Yes, I have researched it in studies, pharm books,

physician drug and emergency books but...I would like to hear from

paramedics and EMS physicians concerning their thoughts and experiences

from its application. I also would like to know all applications that

you have utilized it besides the obvious pharm assisted intubation. Do

you utilize it in other applications? Thanks for your help.

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How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the drug? I'll bet

OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

_____

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Quinten

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:33 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: atomized Versed

This approach is new news to me but I can understand how it would work.

Would like to here either here or offline what type of success you have had

with it and what if any documentation is out on it. This may be something I

can bring up to my EMS Officer and my Medical Director

Quinten

Firefighter/EMT-LP

What do you think of Etomidate?

Hello Group. I would like to know from those of you that use

Etomidate, how you feel about it. I am researching it for use in our

system and am currently looking at the benefits and complications of

this drug. Yes, I have researched it in studies, pharm books,

physician drug and emergency books but...I would like to hear from

paramedics and EMS physicians concerning their thoughts and experiences

from its application. I also would like to know all applications that

you have utilized it besides the obvious pharm assisted intubation. Do

you utilize it in other applications? Thanks for your help.

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Yes we have albuterol, oxygen and nitro. But let me ask you this, have

you never had an incident where you have gotten a little (although

minute) NTG while spraying it into a pt's mouth? Personally, I have

seen it, so if this happens to your medic what happens then. But hey,

most places still go by that old stand by rule of zero tolerance and

dont believe in second hand exposure to drugs by inhalation.

Re: atomized Versed

In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net>

writes:

How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

drug? I'll bet

OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

Why?

We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

delivered via

" aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

workplace.

Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

the truck is

" exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

Consultant

Buddhist philosopher at-large

LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com>

(Cell Phone)

(Home Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small

minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884

- 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

associated with unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

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stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

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Versed is a potent hypnotic. The others are stimulants.

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of lnmolino@...

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:35 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: atomized Versed

In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe (AT) earthlink (DOT) <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> net writes:

How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the drug? I'll bet

OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

Why?

We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs delivered via

" aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the workplace.

Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of the truck is

" exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

Buddhist philosopher at-large

LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com> com

(Cell Phone)

(Home Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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You mean intranasal Versed. Atomized and inhaled is a different animal.

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of fremsdallas@...

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:43 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: atomized Versed

We have been using Atomized versed as the first drug of choice for status

Sz for over a year now. It is delivered nasally using a MAD device that

attaches with a luer-slip to a 1 or 3 cc syringe. Since it is inserted into

a

nare and delivered there is no risk of the EMS crew inhaling it--Unless the

medics pulls a ny and Roy and disperses it in the air.

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What do you think of Etomidate?

Hello Group. I would like to know from those of you that use

Etomidate, how you feel about it. I am researching it for use in our

system and am currently looking at the benefits and complications of

this drug. Yes, I have researched it in studies, pharm books,

physician drug and emergency books but...I would like to hear from

paramedics and EMS physicians concerning their thoughts and experiences

from its application. I also would like to know all applications that

you have utilized it besides the obvious pharm assisted intubation. Do

you utilize it in other applications? Thanks for your help.

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As has Clive Fire/EMS in Iowa for a couple years now..same delivery

method.

Jules

Re: atomized Versed

We have been using Atomized versed as the first drug of choice for

status

Sz for over a year now. It is delivered nasally using a MAD device

that

attaches with a luer-slip to a 1 or 3 cc syringe. Since it is inserted

into a

nare and delivered there is no risk of the EMS crew inhaling

it--Unless the

medics pulls a ny and Roy and disperses it in the air.

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OOooops...I stand corrected...intranasal not atomized versed..Sorry

Jules

Re: atomized Versed

We have been using Atomized versed as the first drug of choice for

status

Sz for over a year now. It is delivered nasally using a MAD device

that

attaches with a luer-slip to a 1 or 3 cc syringe. Since it is inserted

into a

nare and delivered there is no risk of the EMS crew inhaling

it--Unless the

medics pulls a ny and Roy and disperses it in the air.

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Actually, it is an issue and there has been some talk of banning it if air

exchange rates cannot be maintained. This is the reason we do not have

Penthrane inhalers in the United States.

BEB

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of jkaymdc@...

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:02 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: atomized Versed

What do you think of Etomidate?

Hello Group. I would like to know from those of you that use

Etomidate, how you feel about it. I am researching it for use in our

system and am currently looking at the benefits and complications of

this drug. Yes, I have researched it in studies, pharm books,

physician drug and emergency books but...I would like to hear from

paramedics and EMS physicians concerning their thoughts and experiences

from its application. I also would like to know all applications that

you have utilized it besides the obvious pharm assisted intubation. Do

you utilize it in other applications? Thanks for your help.

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How do you know if air exchange rates are not maintained?

I know my training had nothing to do with worrying about the staff

getting exposed. We administer nitrous with a neb set up...handheld by

the patient.

Jules

What do you think of Etomidate?

Hello Group. I would like to know from those of you that use

Etomidate, how you feel about it. I am researching it for use in our

system and am currently looking at the benefits and complications of

this drug. Yes, I have researched it in studies, pharm books,

physician drug and emergency books but...I would like to hear from

paramedics and EMS physicians concerning their thoughts and experiences

from its application. I also would like to know all applications that

you have utilized it besides the obvious pharm assisted intubation. Do

you utilize it in other applications? Thanks for your help.

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I did not pursue the obvious contradiction in terms. If, indeed, you were

" atomizing " midazolam, you would not be administering midazolam. You would

be administering carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, chlorine and assorted atoms.

You are not even " molecularizing " midazolam--you are aerosolizing it.

Am I a smart ass or what?

BEB

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Hatfield

Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:35 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: atomized Versed

I take the heat for the semantic differences.

What I mentioned should be " intranasal via the MAD " , not atomized.

I think atomized has become somewhat of an accepted term given the

delivery device.

Re: atomized Versed

We have been using Atomized versed as the first drug of choice for

status

Sz for over a year now. It is delivered nasally using a MAD device

that

attaches with a luer-slip to a 1 or 3 cc syringe. Since it is inserted

into a

nare and delivered there is no risk of the EMS crew inhaling

it--Unless the

medics pulls a ny and Roy and disperses it in the air.

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If the ambulances meet the latest KKK-1822-E guidelines then it should be

OK. It is a problem right now in Oz and New Zealand.

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of jkaymdc@...

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:43 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: atomized Versed

How do you know if air exchange rates are not maintained?

I know my training had nothing to do with worrying about the staff

getting exposed. We administer nitrous with a neb set up...handheld by

the patient.

Jules

What do you think of Etomidate?

Hello Group. I would like to know from those of you that use

Etomidate, how you feel about it. I am researching it for use in our

system and am currently looking at the benefits and complications of

this drug. Yes, I have researched it in studies, pharm books,

physician drug and emergency books but...I would like to hear from

paramedics and EMS physicians concerning their thoughts and experiences

from its application. I also would like to know all applications that

you have utilized it besides the obvious pharm assisted intubation. Do

you utilize it in other applications? Thanks for your help.

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I ordered 1 " of NTG paste for a CHF patient. Nursing student put 2 " . No

problem. She simply wiped 1 " away with her index finger.

Then came God's own headache, diaphoresis, near-syncope-similar to what

happens after a taste of ' co-called Chili.

BEB

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of wegandy1938@...

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:48 PM

To: kenneth.dempsey@...; texasems-l

Subject: Re: atomized Versed

True story: Medic gets toned out at 0310 on a chest pain. Jumps up from a

deep sleep. Reaches into his pocked for the Binaca, but instead he grabs

the canister of NTG that he had absent mindedly left in his pocket. One

blast

of NTG and things went South for a few minutes.

GG

In a message dated 1/27/07 9:47:25 PM, kenneth.dempsey@

<mailto:kenneth.dempsey%40uhs-sa.com> uhs-sa.com writes:

>

> Yes we have albuterol, oxygen and nitro. But let me ask you this, have

> you never had an incident where you have gotten a little (although

> minute) NTG while spraying it into a pt's mouth? Personally, I have

> seen it, so if this happens to your medic what happens then. But hey,

> most places still go by that old stand by rule of zero tolerance and

> dont believe in second hand exposure to drugs by inhalation.

>

> Re: atomized Versed

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> bbledsoe (AT) earthlink (DOT) <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.bbl> bbl

<mailto:bbledsoe%mailto:bbledmai>

> writes:

>

> How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

> drug? I'll bet

> OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

>

> Why?

>

> We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

> delivered via

> " aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

> workplace.

>

> Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

> the truck is

> " exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consul

> Consultant

> Buddhist philosopher at-large

> LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.LNM> LNM <mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN>

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Home Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small

> minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884

> - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

> author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

>

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

> associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

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Dang,

I miss ' chili, and your strange concoction that you call chili.

Tom

Re: atomized Versed

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> bbledsoe (AT) earthlink (DOT) <mailto:bbledsoe% 40earthlink. bbl> bbl

<mailto:bbledsoe% mailto:bbledmai>

> writes:

>

> How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

> drug? I'll bet

> OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

>

> Why?

>

> We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

> delivered via

> " aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

> workplace.

>

> Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

> the truck is

> " exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consul

> Consultant

> Buddhist philosopher at-large

> LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) <mailto:LNMolino% 40aol.LNM> LNM <mailto:LNMolino% mailto:LN>

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Home Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small

> minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884

> - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

> author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

>

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

> associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

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While all of you are beating Mike up for the nomenclature glitch, how many of

you are still giving albuterol by conventional means? The RT's have caught on

to the number of their industry that have grown so tolerant of the meds they

use, based on standing around inhaling the blowby off a neb, that the same meds

will often not work for them when they require treatment. The back of your

truck is smaller that most treatment areas. With three asthmatics in a small

service we started the search for a better way. The first unit we found should

have had NCC-1701 painted on the side of the thing (it was about a foot long and

looked like the Starship Enterprise). We now use a smaller, cheaper BAN (Breath

Activated Nebulizer) that we get from Tri-anim. Patient gets all of the

updraft, instead of sharing half of it with you. (And they don't think you are

coming at them with an alien probe!)

Vernon Gresham

Ganado EMS

Re: atomized Versed

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%mailto:bbledmai>

> writes:

>

> How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

> drug? I'll bet

> OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

>

> Why?

>

> We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

> delivered via

> " aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

> workplace.

>

> Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

> the truck is

> " exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consul

> Consultant

> Buddhist philosopher at-large

> LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN>

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Home Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small

> minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884

> - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

> author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

>

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

> associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

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> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

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NTG side effect = gastronomic euphoria? Interesting. Haven't seen that in

any of the texts.

Donn

Re: atomized Versed

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> In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

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> bbledsoe (AT) earthlink (DOT) <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.bbl> bbl

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> How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

> drug? I'll bet

> OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

>

> Why?

>

> We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

> delivered via

> " aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

> workplace.

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> Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

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> " exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

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That is what you get for reading the Mosby book.

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of D.E. (Donn)

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:54 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: atomized Versed

NTG side effect = gastronomic euphoria? Interesting. Haven't seen that in

any of the texts.

Donn

Re: atomized Versed

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> bbledsoe (AT) earthlink (DOT) <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.bbl> bbl

<mailto:bbledsoe%mailto:bbledmai>

> writes:

>

> How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the

> drug? I'll bet

> OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

>

> Why?

>

> We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs

> delivered via

> " aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the

> workplace.

>

> Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of

> the truck is

> " exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consul

> Consultant

> Buddhist philosopher at-large

> LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.LNM> LNM <mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN>

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> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

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I take the heat for the semantic differences.

What I mentioned should be " intranasal via the MAD " , not atomized.

I think atomized has become somewhat of an accepted term given the

delivery device.

Re: atomized Versed

We have been using Atomized versed as the first drug of choice for

status

Sz for over a year now. It is delivered nasally using a MAD device

that

attaches with a luer-slip to a 1 or 3 cc syringe. Since it is inserted

into a

nare and delivered there is no risk of the EMS crew inhaling

it--Unless the

medics pulls a ny and Roy and disperses it in the air.

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In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:37:06 PM Central Standard Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

_bbledsoe@..._ (mailto:bbledsoe@...) writes:

How do you assure the paramedic does not inhale some of the drug? I'll bet

OSHA would have a bovine delivery over this one.

Why?

We already have albuterol and nitro sprays and other drugs delivered via

" aerosol " routes so you're not introducing a " new " hazard to the workplace.

Besides in the course of blow by oxygen everyone in the back of the truck is

" exposed " to that " drug " . <VBG>

has a good point here, and atomized Versed will probably fall under

the same classification as Nitrous Oxide (which now requires an 'over board

scavenging system' in place before it can be used in a confined space.

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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Probably both . . .

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

I did not pursue the obvious contradiction in terms. If, indeed, you

were

" atomizing " midazolam, you would not be administering midazolam. You would

be administering carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, chlorine and assorted atoms.

You are not even " molecularizing " midazolam--you are aerosolizing it.

Am I a smart ass or what?

BEB

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Hatfield

Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:35 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: atomized Versed

I take the heat for the semantic differences.

What I mentioned should be " intranasal via the MAD " , not atomized.

I think atomized has become somewhat of an accepted term given the

delivery device.

Re: atomized Versed

We have been using Atomized versed as the first drug of choice for

status

Sz for over a year now. It is delivered nasally using a MAD device

that

attaches with a luer-slip to a 1 or 3 cc syringe. Since it is inserted

into a

nare and delivered there is no risk of the EMS crew inhaling

it--Unless the

medics pulls a ny and Roy and disperses it in the air.

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