Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Actually, PD is already supposed to be trained in first aid. Right? And as I see it, this is more about the collection of evidence than medical care anyways. -Wes In a message dated 1/7/2007 1:15:27 AM Central Standard Time, THEDUDMAN@... writes: Hey Wes, This is always my favorite when this discussion starts...let the cops do it...I mean its such a menial task... While were at it, lets add trauma care as well...the cops are always on scene of trauma calls (except MVA's) prior to EMS to secure the scene...why call EMS anyway? I hate having units tied up on domestic violence calls to treat a black eye or bandage a cut...what if a " real " emergency comes in while we are sitting there...let PD do it...they can just start care and transport those guys to the hospital too...I mean, it would truly be an inconvenience to get called into court off of a homicide, fatal MVA, or domestic abuse case....(oh wait...) Anything that can have a potential court appearance attached to it (criminal now...not civil) we can just let the LEO's handle for us...I mean its their job isn't it? To enforce the laws??? We can train them in EMS in those instances too....I mean we wouldn't want to hurt our image as the " good guys " . I mean, Philadelphia tried it...why couldn't Dallas, Houston, Waco, Fredericksburg, Schertz??? Funny...I don't hear physicians and nurses lobbying to get taken off the list of folks who do it now...maybe they realize what the word " system " means? Dudley PS: I would bet the number of states that allow Paramedics to draw DUI blood in mandatory draws far outshadows the one or two places that have turned that over to a law enforcement agency... Blood draws Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Hey Wes, This is always my favorite when this discussion starts...let the cops do it...I mean its such a menial task... While were at it, lets add trauma care as well...the cops are always on scene of trauma calls (except MVA's) prior to EMS to secure the scene...why call EMS anyway? I hate having units tied up on domestic violence calls to treat a black eye or bandage a cut...what if a " real " emergency comes in while we are sitting there...let PD do it...they can just start care and transport those guys to the hospital too...I mean, it would truly be an inconvenience to get called into court off of a homicide, fatal MVA, or domestic abuse case....(oh wait...) Anything that can have a potential court appearance attached to it (criminal now...not civil) we can just let the LEO's handle for us...I mean its their job isn't it? To enforce the laws??? We can train them in EMS in those instances too....I mean we wouldn't want to hurt our image as the " good guys " . I mean, Philadelphia tried it...why couldn't Dallas, Houston, Waco, Fredericksburg, Schertz??? Funny...I don't hear physicians and nurses lobbying to get taken off the list of folks who do it now...maybe they realize what the word " system " means? Dudley PS: I would bet the number of states that allow Paramedics to draw DUI blood in mandatory draws far outshadows the one or two places that have turned that over to a law enforcement agency... Blood draws Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 In a message dated 1/7/2007 12:43:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? The lobby power of the folks that might fight it versus the non lobby power of EMS in Texas comes to mind. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Home Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 In a message dated 1/7/2007 5:09:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, THEDUDMAN@... writes: Oh contrare Mr. Molino....EMS lobby has kept this off the books for at least 6 years..... Dudley Point taken. The question is will we prevail. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Home Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 That just about sums it up for just about every EMS issue on the board in Texas..LOL Raina >From: lnmolino@... >Reply-To: texasems-l >To: texasems-l >Subject: Re: Blood draws >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:39:34 EST > > > >In a message dated 1/7/2007 12:43:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, >ExLngHrn@... writes: > >What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? > > >The lobby power of the folks that might fight it versus the non lobby >power >of EMS in Texas comes to mind. > >Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET >FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI >Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > >LNMolino@... > > (Cell Phone) > (Home Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds >discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > >The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and >the >author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or >organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with >unless I >specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its >stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials >retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by >the >original author. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Dalworthington Gardens DPS (Suburb of Arlington) sent all of their officers to this class for this reason. Lee Blood draws Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 But aren't they all EMS trained anyways? Blood draws Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Only to the ECA or EMT-B level Lee Blood draws Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 10-4 Blood draws Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Unless things have changed they are not called ECA's. A part of the DPS training is (or at least was when I was at the state) training at the ECA level, but did not take the ECA exam. Because they are a state agency, they were given ECA certificates but called Law Enforcement First Responders (LEFR's). Eddie , EMT-P Director of Clinical Services 4100 Ed Bluestein Blvd., Suite 100 Austin, TX 78721 ext. 110 _____ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Lee Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:06 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: Blood draws Only to the ECA or EMT-B level Lee Blood draws Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's an eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the police academy. <GRIN> As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas would prevent us from doing the same? -Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 You are correct Eddie, about the LEFR in the past, but DWG DPS and State DPS are two different situations. DWG does indeed perform blood draws but they hold regular DSHS, ECA and EMT certifications obtained in the usual manner. Contact me off line if you would like further information. Pat Elmes > > Unless things have changed they are not called ECA's. A part of the DPS > training is (or at least was when I was at the state) training at the ECA > level, but did not take the ECA exam. Because they are a state agency, they > were given ECA certificates but called Law Enforcement First Responders > (LEFR's). > > > > Eddie , EMT-P > > Director of Clinical Services > > 4100 Ed Bluestein Blvd., Suite 100 > > Austin, TX 78721 > > ext. 110 > > _____ > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems- l ] On > Behalf Of Lee > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:06 PM > To: texasems-l > Subject: RE: Blood draws > > > > Only to the ECA or EMT-B level > > Lee > > Blood draws > > Instead of mandating that EMS do blood draws for DWI, can't we just add > phlebotomy to the TCLEOSE peace officer curriculum? As I understand it, it's > an > eight hour course. Take an hour from boot shining and an hour from mirrored > sunglasses 101 and pretty soon you don't even need to add hours to the > police > academy. <GRIN> > > As I understand it, some other states already do this. What about Texas > would prevent us from doing the same? > > -Wes > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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