Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Hello everyone.. Let me catch you all up.. I had to go to the doctor for super bad acid reflux.. Some doctor have no ballance.. He kept telling My Hubby that I had food poisening, or ask what street drugs I was on.. I had been vomiting for over a week,, all stomache acid..Day and night waking up in the middle of the nite with vomite all over the bed.. And the PAIN IT was tottally awfull.. anyway an older doctor came buy and stuck his head in the room and looked at he, took my vomite pan look in it,ask me about my galbladder I told him it was removed years ago.. and he said I will be right back missey.. came back with this white Nasty stuff and said sip this till it is gone.. Now it wasn't 5 minutes the pain was gone, and I have not vomited sence, he whipped out his trusty perscribition pad wrote out 7 perscribitions for me.. and said young lady if you want to be rid of this pain you got to listen to me now.. No more Chocolate, no Coffee, unless decafe and menimul at that..NO soda POP, NO regular Tea..and stop smoking!!! And most of all loose some weight... I just sat there and said I was trying to get WLS and waiting for my insurance company to approve it now for me.. He looked at me and said good for you!! Now you do as I say and you will have the surgery and be fine now, you hear me missey?? I was SO happy to just be out of pain !! I would of agreed to anything at that point.. he said I want to see you back here in this clinic in one week and not smoking either!! SO I figure that Dr.that is doing my WLS gave me two weeks and this dioc gave me one week after I had been to see surgery doc.. so I haft to quit wednesday night to be smoke free thursday... I know I am cuting it to the letter.. But I have enough cigs to get me to wednesday night..I have counted them...ROFL I am going to my PCP and get some Zypan stuff to help me out.. thursday afternoon I am getting in the car headed to Texas. and not come back till the 30th or so and I am comming back smoke free.. till then I am having the last supper cendrom with cigerattes..PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF.. But I am wanting this surgery done and I can not hacve it if I am smoking, my surgern is very strick on this as one of his conditions.. If I am smoking he will post pone the surgery.. You know I was told not for sure if it is true but they can do a blood test to find out if you are a smoker?? or find out if you have been smoking.. Don't know if it is true, But I am not going to take the chance.. you know what I mean?? just thought I would share.. if you have a way to quit let me know.. I am so desprett here, and don't know if going cold turkey is best but I don't know what else to do..~~ Audrey~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Audrey - What an ordeal you have been through! I've never smoked so don't have any advice for you there. Keep your eye on the prize for wanting this surgery and wanting to be healthy. I've had that white soothing cocktail once when I went into the hospital for chest pain. It does wonders for the reflux. 7 prescriptions? Wow, that's a lot. You take care now. Why not throw those last cigs away so you don't have another bout of reflux? You can do this, Audrey. Be positive. Jeanne in WI Age 39 - Dr. T. Chua Open RNY - 5/21/02 5'7 " - 314/215/150-175 djgraves@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 what worked for my mom to stop smoking was this...... she smoked 2 packs a day. So....... we took one pack, opened it up put it in a glass jar on top the tv. That was her daily allotment. When the jar was empty...... she was done. Helped her to choose when to smoke. Day two, we did half a pack, and every day following cut it by 1/2. She did just fine, and realized she had control over that, not the ciggys. she did have some cravings, but she chose when to give in to them, and when to fight them. in a week she was smoke free and never went back. Good luck. It is tough but you have a wonderful incentive program. Hugs, this is going to be so ruff to do.. Hello everyone.. Let me catch you all up.. I had to go to the doctor for super bad acid reflux.. Some doctor have no ballance.. He kept telling My Hubby that I had food poisening, or ask what street drugs I was on.. I had been vomiting for over a week,, all stomache acid..Day and night waking up in the middle of the nite with vomite all over the bed.. And the PAIN IT was tottally awfull.. anyway an older doctor came buy and stuck his head in the room and looked at he, took my vomite pan look in it,ask me about my galbladder I told him it was removed years ago.. and he said I will be right back missey.. came back with this white Nasty stuff and said sip this till it is gone.. Now it wasn't 5 minutes the pain was gone, and I have not vomited sence, he whipped out his trusty perscribition pad wrote out 7 perscribitions for me.. and said young lady if you want to be rid of this pain you got to listen to me now.. No more Chocolate, no Coffee, unless decafe and menimul at that..NO soda POP, NO regular Tea..and stop smoking!!! And most of all loose some weight... I just sat there and said I was trying to get WLS and waiting for my insurance company to approve it now for me.. He looked at me and said good for you!! Now you do as I say and you will have the surgery and be fine now, you hear me missey?? I was SO happy to just be out of pain !! I would of agreed to anything at that point.. he said I want to see you back here in this clinic in one week and not smoking either!! SO I figure that Dr.that is doing my WLS gave me two weeks and this dioc gave me one week after I had been to see surgery doc.. so I haft to quit wednesday night to be smoke free thursday... I know I am cuting it to the letter.. But I have enough cigs to get me to wednesday night..I have counted them...ROFL I am going to my PCP and get some Zypan stuff to help me out.. thursday afternoon I am getting in the car headed to Texas. and not come back till the 30th or so and I am comming back smoke free.. till then I am having the last supper cendrom with cigerattes..PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF.. But I am wanting this surgery done and I can not hacve it if I am smoking, my surgern is very strick on this as one of his conditions.. If I am smoking he will post pone the surgery.. You know I was told not for sure if it is true but they can do a blood test to find out if you are a smoker?? or find out if you have been smoking.. Don't know if it is true, But I am not going to take the chance.. you know what I mean?? just thought I would share.. if you have a way to quit let me know.. I am so desprett here, and don't know if going cold turkey is best but I don't know what else to do..~~ Audrey~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 My doctor would NOT perform my surgery if I didn't quit smoking. They told me they would test the oxygen in my blood to see if I had quit. I was told that he had cancelled more than one surgery the day of b/c the patient had not quit smoking. I was like alright.. alright.. alright.. I had my first appt in September, got my 03-17-03 date in November... soooo... my original plan was to stop smoking 01-01-03. That was the plan. I told everyone I was NOT quitting.. I was taking a break.. that I was gonna start RIGHT back on the ride home from the hospital... figured he couldn't *take back the surgery*...When I started scheduling the battery of *pre op* stuff I had to do, my first appt was 01-12.. hmmm cutting it kinda close Kristi... I was still going ahead with the 01-01 date... My shrink was like OH HELL NO... any day but that day... (( long story... wrong list... to make a long story short.. New Years Day was a HARD day for me...))... she said stop sooner .. or later.. but not on NYD... I was like.. ok.. fine.. well this was rocking on about the middle of Dec... I had a half a pack of Marlboro left and decided... *lets do this...* it was really funny... I was counting my smokes and knew EXACTLY how long I had... I wont ever forget it.. I was outside and lunch and had 3 smokes left... I was like.. ok I can smoke 2 now and one at break... or 3 now and be done... decided to go with the 3... DARED anyone to talk to me... wanted to enjoy my smoke.... It really was funny... anyway... first week.. was A BITCH... I chewed gum and ate more of those *dumbbell* suckers than you can imagine... honestly... after the first week... it was in the bag... the cravings would still come... but they didn't take my breath away.... they didn't control me... now I sucked on peppermint right up until the night before surgery... I still miss my menthol *nods lots*... I counted the days til I could start back smoking.. just kept telling myself that I could do this... after I quit 12-18 I hit a cig 3 times... I think cold turkey is the only way... the reason being... if you do all that other stuff you are still getting the nicotine... so you are being deprived... you are fighting that .. but you aren't dealing with that withdrawal... its like stretching out the agony... you are just preventing the inevitable....first 3 days are the hardest... get past them.. and its in the bag... after that once that week is up... you are in like flin... only time I want a smoke now.. is when I am bored... cause I cant eat.. and I cant smoke... so... I walk *L* and yea... I didn't start back.. *shrugs* I just like knowing I CAN and WILL if I want to... people bickering and bitching didn't make me quit.. and it wont make me stay quit... when I took a puff after surgery it just wasn't good to me... I have tried twice now to start back... the second time it didn't taste any better than the first... ... besides... at the moment... playing rball is more important to me than a Marlboro.... tomorrow that may change.... I know where you are... I understand... wow do I understand... K this is going to be so ruff to do.. Hello everyone.. Let me catch you all up.. I had to go to the doctor for super bad acid reflux.. Some doctor have no ballance.. He kept telling My Hubby that I had food poisening, or ask what street drugs I was on.. I had been vomiting for over a week,, all stomache acid..Day and night waking up in the middle of the nite with vomite all over the bed.. And the PAIN IT was tottally awfull.. anyway an older doctor came buy and stuck his head in the room and looked at he, took my vomite pan look in it,ask me about my galbladder I told him it was removed years ago.. and he said I will be right back missey.. came back with this white Nasty stuff and said sip this till it is gone.. Now it wasn't 5 minutes the pain was gone, and I have not vomited sence, he whipped out his trusty perscribition pad wrote out 7 perscribitions for me.. and said young lady if you want to be rid of this pain you got to listen to me now.. No more Chocolate, no Coffee, unless decafe and menimul at that..NO soda POP, NO regular Tea..and stop smoking!!! And most of all loose some weight... I just sat there and said I was trying to get WLS and waiting for my insurance company to approve it now for me.. He looked at me and said good for you!! Now you do as I say and you will have the surgery and be fine now, you hear me missey?? I was SO happy to just be out of pain !! I would of agreed to anything at that point.. he said I want to see you back here in this clinic in one week and not smoking either!! SO I figure that Dr.that is doing my WLS gave me two weeks and this dioc gave me one week after I had been to see surgery doc.. so I haft to quit wednesday night to be smoke free thursday... I know I am cuting it to the letter.. But I have enough cigs to get me to wednesday night..I have counted them...ROFL I am going to my PCP and get some Zypan stuff to help me out.. thursday afternoon I am getting in the car headed to Texas. and not come back till the 30th or so and I am comming back smoke free.. till then I am having the last supper cendrom with cigerattes..PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF.. But I am wanting this surgery done and I can not hacve it if I am smoking, my surgern is very strick on this as one of his conditions.. If I am smoking he will post pone the surgery.. You know I was told not for sure if it is true but they can do a blood test to find out if you are a smoker?? or find out if you have been smoking.. Don't know if it is true, But I am not going to take the chance.. you know what I mean?? just thought I would share.. if you have a way to quit let me know.. I am so desprett here, and don't know if going cold turkey is best but I don't know what else to do..~~ Audrey~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Hello everyone.. Let me catch you all up.. I had to go to the doctor for super bad acid reflux.. Some doctor have no ballance.. He kept telling My Hubby that I had food poisening, or ask what street drugs I was on..*******Audrey, is HE on acid or something????????? I had been vomiting for over a week,, all stomache > acid..Day and night waking up in the middle of the nite with vomite > > all over the bed.. And the PAIN IT was tottally awfull.. anyway an > older doctor came buy and stuck his head in the room and looked at > he, took my vomite pan look in it,ask me about my galbladder I told > him it was removed years ago.. and he said I will be right back > missey.. came back with this white Nasty stuff and said sip this > till it is gone.. Now it wasn't 5 minutes the pain was gone, and I > have not vomited sence, he whipped out his trusty perscribition pad > wrote out 7 perscribitions for me.. and said young lady if you want > to be rid of this pain you got to listen to me now.. No more > Chocolate, no Coffee, unless decafe and menimul at that..NO soda > POP, NO regular Tea..and stop smoking!!! And most of all loose some > weight... I just sat there and said I was trying to get WLS and > waiting for my insurance company to approve it now for me.. > He looked at me and said good for you!! Now you do as I say and you > will have the surgery and be fine now, you hear me missey?? I was SO > happy to just be out of pain !! I would of agreed to anything at > that point.. he said I want to see you back here in this clinic in > one week and not smoking either!! *******Good for you with this doctor! > Someone who can actually see daylight, if you get my drift..... SO I figure that Dr.that is doing > > my WLS gave me two weeks and this dioc gave me one week after I had > been to see surgery doc.. so I haft to quit wednesday night to be > smoke free thursday... I know I am cuting it to the letter.. But I > have enough cigs to get me to wednesday night..I have counted > them...ROFL I am going to my PCP and get some Zypan stuff to help me > out.. thursday afternoon I am getting in the car headed to Texas. > and not come back till the 30th or so and I am comming back smoke > free.. till then I am having the last supper cendrom with > cigerattes..PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF.. But I am wanting this surgery > done and I can not hacve it if I am smoking, my surgern is very > strick on this as one of his conditions.. If I am smoking he will > post pone the surgery.. You know I was told not for sure if it is > true but they can do a blood test to find out if you are a smoker?? > or find out if you have been smoking.. Don't know if it is true, But > I am not going to take the chance.. you know what I mean?? just > thought I would share.. if you have a way to quit let me know.. I am > so desprett here, and don't know if going cold turkey is best but I > don't know what else to do..~~ Audrey~~ ********Audrey, honey, just keep up > the great work, stay off those coffin nails, do what you need to do to take > care of yourself! I am SOOOOO glad that a REAL doctor came in to see you! > Keep up the great work you are doing! Love, Katt Morales Open RNY Distal, 01/07/2003 Dr. Terry Sanderfer 294/248/-46/150-137 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 OH Kay you sound just like me with these things... OH I am so proud of you for taking the big break from them smokes.. Now for me to do this.. OH I know with your your story it is making me feel like I am not the only one out there.. Thank You for saying what you said, and the way you said it to me.... It sounds like it is real.. But most important it sounds just like the story I will some day pass to someone else...ROFL// Thank You.. Kind of sounds like we might have the same surgern as well.... Mine is Dr.Snyder in Denver.. I am stopping and getting into the car and driving 800 miles.. one way to get away from the house to quit.. I better buy me some dumb dumb suckers, maybe some cinamon tamolies candys too...Gum as well... if I gain weight now, I will still loose it after surgery...ROFL Right???? Hope?? Please?? ~~Audrey~~ > My doctor would NOT perform my surgery if I didn't quit smoking. They told > me they would test the oxygen in my blood to see if I had quit. I was told > that he had cancelled more than one surgery the day of b/c the patient had > not quit smoking. I was like alright.. alright.. alright.. I had my first > appt in September, got my 03-17-03 date in November... soooo... my original > plan was to stop smoking 01-01-03. That was the plan. I told everyone I was > NOT quitting.. I was taking a break.. that I was gonna start RIGHT back on > the ride home from the hospital... figured he couldn't *take back the > surgery*...When I started scheduling the battery of *pre op* stuff I had to > do, my first appt was 01-12.. hmmm cutting it kinda close Kristi... I was > still going ahead with the 01-01 date... My shrink was like OH HELL NO... > any day but that day... (( long story... wrong list... to make a long story > short.. New Years Day was a HARD day for me...))... she said stop sooner .. > or later.. but not on NYD... I was like.. ok.. fine.. well this was rocking > on about the middle of Dec... I had a half a pack of Marlboro left and > decided... *lets do this...* it was really funny... I was counting my smokes > and knew EXACTLY how long I had... I wont ever forget it.. I was outside and > lunch and had 3 smokes left... I was like.. ok I can smoke 2 now and one at > break... or 3 now and be done... decided to go with the 3... DARED anyone to > talk to me... wanted to enjoy my smoke.... It really was funny... anyway... > first week.. was A BITCH... I chewed gum and ate more of those *dumbbell* > suckers than you can imagine... honestly... after the first week... it was > in the bag... the cravings would still come... but they didn't take my > breath away.... they didn't control me... now I sucked on peppermint right > up until the night before surgery... I still miss my menthol *nods lots*... > I counted the days til I could start back smoking.. just kept telling myself > that I could do this... after I quit 12-18 I hit a cig 3 times... > > I think cold turkey is the only way... the reason being... if you do all > that other stuff you are still getting the nicotine... so you are being > deprived... you are fighting that .. but you aren't dealing with that > withdrawal... its like stretching out the agony... you are just preventing > the inevitable....first 3 days are the hardest... get past them.. and its in > the bag... after that once that week is up... you are in like flin... > > only time I want a smoke now.. is when I am bored... cause I cant eat.. and > I cant smoke... so... I walk *L* > > and yea... I didn't start back.. *shrugs* I just like knowing I CAN and WILL > if I want to... people bickering and bitching didn't make me quit.. and it > wont make me stay quit... when I took a puff after surgery it just wasn't > good to me... I have tried twice now to start back... the second time it > didn't taste any better than the first... ... besides... at the moment... > playing rball is more important to me than a Marlboro.... tomorrow that may > change.... > > I know where you are... I understand... wow do I understand... > > K > this is going to be so ruff to do.. > > > > Hello everyone.. Let me catch you all up.. I had to go to the doctor > for super bad acid reflux.. Some doctor have no ballance.. He kept > telling My Hubby that I had food poisening, or ask what street drugs > I was on.. I had been vomiting for over a week,, all stomache > acid..Day and night waking up in the middle of the nite with vomite > all over the bed.. And the PAIN IT was tottally awfull.. anyway an > older doctor came buy and stuck his head in the room and looked at > he, took my vomite pan look in it,ask me about my galbladder I told > him it was removed years ago.. and he said I will be right back > missey.. came back with this white Nasty stuff and said sip this > till it is gone.. Now it wasn't 5 minutes the pain was gone, and I > have not vomited sence, he whipped out his trusty perscribition pad > wrote out 7 perscribitions for me.. and said young lady if you want > to be rid of this pain you got to listen to me now.. No more > Chocolate, no Coffee, unless decafe and menimul at that..NO soda > POP, NO regular Tea..and stop smoking!!! And most of all loose some > weight... I just sat there and said I was trying to get WLS and > waiting for my insurance company to approve it now for me.. > He looked at me and said good for you!! Now you do as I say and you > will have the surgery and be fine now, you hear me missey?? I was SO > happy to just be out of pain !! I would of agreed to anything at > that point.. he said I want to see you back here in this clinic in > one week and not smoking either!! SO I figure that Dr.that is doing > my WLS gave me two weeks and this dioc gave me one week after I had > been to see surgery doc.. so I haft to quit wednesday night to be > smoke free thursday... I know I am cuting it to the letter.. But I > have enough cigs to get me to wednesday night..I have counted > them...ROFL I am going to my PCP and get some Zypan stuff to help me > out.. thursday afternoon I am getting in the car headed to Texas. > and not come back till the 30th or so and I am comming back smoke > free.. till then I am having the last supper cendrom with > cigerattes..PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF.. But I am wanting this surgery > done and I can not hacve it if I am smoking, my surgern is very > strick on this as one of his conditions.. If I am smoking he will > post pone the surgery.. You know I was told not for sure if it is > true but they can do a blood test to find out if you are a smoker?? > or find out if you have been smoking.. Don't know if it is true, But > I am not going to take the chance.. you know what I mean?? just > thought I would share.. if you have a way to quit let me know.. I am > so desprett here, and don't know if going cold turkey is best but I > don't know what else to do..~~ Audrey~~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 that was my thought... I gained.. umm.. well... lets just say I gained a lil weight from dec to feb but.. in all fairness.. I was eating chocolate for supper EVERY night... you can do this... you can... its hard... sweet heavens it is... every time I wanted one... i just kept thinkin a'ight Kristi... 3 mos... that is all you have to quit... don't think of it as quitting... think of it as takin a break *sage nod* and I am just a hollar away if you need some advice or just some understanding.... cause I know... what you DON'T need is *just do it*.... *just put them down*... *why do you wanna smoke anyway*.... K this is going to be so ruff to do.. > > > > Hello everyone.. Let me catch you all up.. I had to go to the doctor > for super bad acid reflux.. Some doctor have no ballance.. He kept > telling My Hubby that I had food poisening, or ask what street drugs > I was on.. I had been vomiting for over a week,, all stomache > acid..Day and night waking up in the middle of the nite with vomite > all over the bed.. And the PAIN IT was tottally awfull.. anyway an > older doctor came buy and stuck his head in the room and looked at > he, took my vomite pan look in it,ask me about my galbladder I told > him it was removed years ago.. and he said I will be right back > missey.. came back with this white Nasty stuff and said sip this > till it is gone.. Now it wasn't 5 minutes the pain was gone, and I > have not vomited sence, he whipped out his trusty perscribition pad > wrote out 7 perscribitions for me.. and said young lady if you want > to be rid of this pain you got to listen to me now.. No more > Chocolate, no Coffee, unless decafe and menimul at that..NO soda > POP, NO regular Tea..and stop smoking!!! And most of all loose some > weight... I just sat there and said I was trying to get WLS and > waiting for my insurance company to approve it now for me.. > He looked at me and said good for you!! Now you do as I say and you > will have the surgery and be fine now, you hear me missey?? I was SO > happy to just be out of pain !! I would of agreed to anything at > that point.. he said I want to see you back here in this clinic in > one week and not smoking either!! SO I figure that Dr.that is doing > my WLS gave me two weeks and this dioc gave me one week after I had > been to see surgery doc.. so I haft to quit wednesday night to be > smoke free thursday... I know I am cuting it to the letter.. But I > have enough cigs to get me to wednesday night..I have counted > them...ROFL I am going to my PCP and get some Zypan stuff to help me > out.. thursday afternoon I am getting in the car headed to Texas. > and not come back till the 30th or so and I am comming back smoke > free.. till then I am having the last supper cendrom with > cigerattes..PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF.. But I am wanting this surgery > done and I can not hacve it if I am smoking, my surgern is very > strick on this as one of his conditions.. If I am smoking he will > post pone the surgery.. You know I was told not for sure if it is > true but they can do a blood test to find out if you are a smoker?? > or find out if you have been smoking.. Don't know if it is true, But > I am not going to take the chance.. you know what I mean?? just > thought I would share.. if you have a way to quit let me know.. I am > so desprett here, and don't know if going cold turkey is best but I > don't know what else to do..~~ Audrey~~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Great idea about the cigs and the glass jar, . So glad you were there to help your Mom through that incredibly tough time. Lots of love, Trace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Dear K-grrl, You're right. No one can " make you quit " or keep you off the smokes except for yourself (and I believe, God's help as well). I just wanted to say that I am proud of you for quitting in the first place and for deciding that raquetball (your health) is more important than Marlboro cigarettes. You are, you know. Much more important. Each day, each week, each moth and each year you stay smoke free will increase your life span. That's a dang good thing, huh...? Keep fighting the good fight. Love, Trace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Dear , I'm proud of you! What a terrific idea to give your family the gift of your life -- a smoke-free life, for Christmas. I love your idea about rewarding yourself with the teeth-whitening procedure, manicure, etc., I never smoked as a habit, just off and on in college for a few years (trying to be cool!) but I hated the way my hair and clothes smelled. I'm sure my breath wasn't great either. I've been using the Crest whitening strips for about a year now (just because I wanted whiter teeth!) and they work great except for the bottom teeth because the strip won't stay on with saliva and talking. My top teeth are much whiter/brighter with the top strip, however. Take good care and thanks again for the post! Love, Trace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 I was the same way with my smoking before surgery- i kept saying ok I have two more days i can smoke one more day - then i said whats one more day? i did quit 5 weeks before surgery. cold turkey - i agree is the only way lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Chad, Have you tried to start doing the protein, it helped myself lose about 10 lbs pre-op, and I know , whom I haven't seen nor heard from, (she must be with that man, you go girl) lost 60 lbs doing protein shakes in addition to eating. Good luck, Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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