Re: MSG article-where is it?

[Guest guest]

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> Gerald,

> Thanks for posting a fantastic site and article!!

> LJ

I could not identify the MSG article you refer to . I was distressed

by the link to an article on Tim Hortons coffee.(i do not drink it)

Not because there may not be some in the coffee but the quanity is

small compared to the diet of most north americans .Further it

minimises the issue and spreads confusion .

There is a serious issue with MSG. Please read " Truth in labeling " to

get an understanding. MSG is an invented food " stuff " ; it has

nothting in common with Kombu a sea weed (sea Vegatable) used for

manny years (3000 or so) before someone isolated MSG from kombu . The

poison is in the dose .

skip the gossip sheets read this .

http://www.truthinlabeling.org

[Guest guest]

Looks like a real objective source of information.

Garry

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From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On

Behalf Of billy171john

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:27 AM

To: AFIBsupport

Subject: Re: MSG article-where is it?

>

> Gerald,

> Thanks for posting a fantastic site and article!!

> LJ

I could not identify the MSG article you refer to . I was distressed

by the link to an article on Tim Hortons coffee.(i do not drink it)

Not because there may not be some in the coffee but the quanity is

small compared to the diet of most north americans .Further it

minimises the issue and spreads confusion .

There is a serious issue with MSG. Please read " Truth in labeling " to

get an understanding. MSG is an invented food " stuff " ; it has

nothting in common with Kombu a sea weed (sea Vegatable) used for

manny years (3000 or so) before someone isolated MSG from kombu . The

poison is in the dose .

skip the gossip sheets read this .

http://www.truthinlabeling.org

[Guest guest]

>

> Looks like a real objective source of information.

>

> Garry

SNIP

> http://www.truthinlabeling.org

>

> Here

I still do not know which article was previously posted .

" Truth in Labeling " is not trying to be objective .It is trying to

warn people of the amount of " free glutamate " that is being stuffed

into our food . Expecting them to be objective is like asking someone

who experianced food poisoning to say " on the other hand the waiter

was very nice. "

I have corresponded with Jack who is very educated.He personally

suffers AF when he eats MSG. Their mission is to lobby for

legislation to require labels to clearly state if there is free

glutamate contained in food.In addition they tirelessly educate folks

with these concerns, how to avoid MSG,from a thousand sources.

There are already labeling requirements in place for other things .

Many people suffer from MSG sensativity. Why does it seem to anyone

here that it is a bad idea . I guess if I had stocks in MSG inc. (or

Cambell's soup) I might be aginst it.

NSR 3 years-whole food lifestyle

[Guest guest]

I didn't say it was a bad idea to label the ingredients in food, I think

it's a good idea. People should know what's in the food they are eating so

they can choose for themselves what they ingest or not. I just believe there

is a lot of unfounded hysteria and misinformation surrounding the whole MSG

issue. The Japanese and Chinese are much heavier users of MSG than Americans

and are also much healthier and have a significantly lower rate of obesity.

How does MSG cause obesity, as the truth in labeling site claims, in

Americans but not in people in other countries? Overeating causes obesity,

plain and simple.

As for the labeling laws:

" Under current FDA regulations, when MSG is added to a food, it must be

identified as " monosodium glutamate " in the label's ingredient list. Each

ingredient used to make a food must be declared by its name in this list.

While technically MSG is only one of several forms of free glutamate used in

foods, consumers frequently use the term MSG to mean all free glutamate. For

this reason, FDA considers foods whose labels say " No MSG " or " No Added MSG "

to be misleading if the food contains ingredients that are sources of free

glutamates, such as hydrolyzed protein.

As mandated by the Code of Federal Regulations, 21CFR101.22 Subpart B:

Foods: Labeling of Spices, Flavorings, Colorings, and Chemical

Preservatives, the terms " flavors " , " natural flavors " , or " flavorings " may

not include MSG, hydrolyzed proteins, and autolyzed yeast. Each of these

must be declared on the label by its common or usual name rather than hidden

within another blanket term.

Therefore, in processed foods containing other ingredients with significant

levels of free glutamate, such as hydrolyzed proteins, autolyzed yeast, and

soy sauce, manufacturers must declare these ingredients like any other

ingredient on their labels. "

You can read the entire regulation here:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/CF101-22.HTML

This directly contradicts some of the information on the truth in labeling

site. An example of what I consider misleading information is this

statement: The US Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act of 2004

( http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/%7Edms/alrgact.html> Title II of Public Law

108-282) makes no provision for identification of MSG.

While this is a true statement, there are already laws that require foods

containing MSG to include it as an ingredient on the label.

The website also states: " Manufacturers of processed foods continue to hide

MSG using " http://www.truthinlabeling.org/clean-labels.html> Clean

labels. " " Clean labels, " as defined by the food industry in years past, are

labels on foods that contain processed free glutamic acid (MSG), but will

give no clue to consumers that the products contain MSG. " Again, this is in

direct contradiction to the labeling law which requires that contain MSG

must identify it as " monosodium glutamate " on the label. Maybe the key

phrase there is " in years past " . Maybe that was a practice prior to passage

of the current labeling laws. A Google search for " clean labels " gives no

results for the term that matches the truth in labeling site's definition.

It's interesting that truth in labeling refers to scientific papers that

disagree with their opinion as " propaganda " while they publish only the

" truth " . Like most issues, there are two sides to the story, and when it

comes to MSG there is much contradictory scientific evidence. When I say

" objective " I expect a balanced presentation of all the evidence, not a

one-sided, exaggeration labeled as " truth " .

Anyone can setup a website and publish anything they want to the entire

world. This doesn't mean that it is true or even based on fact. As has

always been the case, you can't believe everything you read. Since the

advent of the Internet this is more true than ever.

Garry

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From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On

Behalf Of billy171john

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:31 AM

To: AFIBsupport

Subject: Re: MSG article-where is it?

>

> Looks like a real objective source of information.

>

> Garry

SNIP

> http://www.truthinlabeling.org

>

> Here

I still do not know which article was previously posted .

" Truth in Labeling " is not trying to be objective .It is trying to

warn people of the amount of " free glutamate " that is being stuffed

into our food . Expecting them to be objective is like asking someone

who experianced food poisoning to say " on the other hand the waiter

was very nice. "

I have corresponded with Jack who is very educated.He personally

suffers AF when he eats MSG. Their mission is to lobby for

legislation to require labels to clearly state if there is free

glutamate contained in food.In addition they tirelessly educate folks

with these concerns, how to avoid MSG,from a thousand sources.

There are already labeling requirements in place for other things .

Many people suffer from MSG sensativity. Why does it seem to anyone

here that it is a bad idea . I guess if I had stocks in MSG inc. (or

Cambell's soup) I might be aginst it.

NSR 3 years-whole food lifestyle

[Guest guest]

Right on , While most of the posts here sound like soap opera it

is really refreshing to read something with substance. Thanks Doug

Sherman

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[Guest guest]

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> Right on , While most of the posts here sound like soap opera it

> is really refreshing to read something with substance. Thanks Doug

> Sherman

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So, maybe people should lighten up on the cookies, gum, jams, jellies and

baked goods. Not to mention the soft drinks. Even if they were sweetened

with conventional sugar, consuming mass quantities of those products would

still cause weight gain. Why blame the corn syrup for a lack of self

control?

Garry

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From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On

Behalf Of J

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:49 PM

To: AFIBsupport

Subject: Re: Re: MSG article-where is it?

There is evidence that high fructose corn syrup is metabolized differently.

It does not trigger a feeling of being full unlike conventional sugar. That

can cause weight gain. It can cause high cholesterol, especially in men.

" While soft drinks and fruit beverages such as lemonade are the leading

products containing high-fructose corn syrup, plenty of other items --

including cookies, gum, jams, jellies and baked goods -- also contain this

syrup. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8003-2003Mar10?language=printer

And it doesn't make sense that in the last 10 years Americans have less self

control than earlier ones.

Jo Anne

[Guest guest]

The point with the high fructose corn syrup is that eating/drinking it does not

signal the body that one is getting full. So those who eat by body signals

(which ordinarily is the healthy way) are misled and think they can eat more.

And they don't know that they are being misled. You can bet your boots that the

some of the manufacturers knew about this and wanted this effect. After all,

Coca-Cola put cocaine in its pop/soda 100 years ago to attract users. And the

major cigarette manufacturers recently were found to have put a substance in

cigarettes to addict people to them.

Jo Anne

Re: Re: MSG article-where is it?

There is evidence that high fructose corn syrup is metabolized differently.

It does not trigger a feeling of being full unlike conventional sugar. That

can cause weight gain. It can cause high cholesterol, especially in men.

" While soft drinks and fruit beverages such as lemonade are the leading

products containing high-fructose corn syrup, plenty of other items --

including cookies, gum, jams, jellies and baked goods -- also contain this

syrup. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8003-2003Mar10?language=printer

And it doesn't make sense that in the last 10 years Americans have less self

control than earlier ones.

Jo Anne

[Guest guest]

Is it necessary to consume cookies, gum, jams, jellies and soft drinks until

you feel " full " ? I can't see that as the " healthy way " . That argument makes

no sense to me. Gorging yourself on sweets until full is going to lead to

obesity regardless of the type of sweetener used, unless it is a calory free

artificial sweetener which is another can of worms..

Garry

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From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On

Behalf Of J

Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:55 AM

To: AFIBsupport

Subject: Re: Re: MSG article-where is it?

The point with the high fructose corn syrup is that eating/drinking it does

not signal the body that one is getting full. So those who eat by body

signals (which ordinarily is the healthy way) are misled and think they can

eat more. And they don't know that they are being misled. You can bet your

boots that the some of the manufacturers knew about this and wanted this

effect. After all, Coca-Cola put cocaine in its pop/soda 100 years ago to

attract users. And the major cigarette manufacturers recently were found to

have put a substance in cigarettes to addict people to them.

Jo Anne

[Guest guest]

>

> So, maybe people should lighten up on the cookies, gum, jams,

jellies and

> baked goods. Not to mention the soft drinks. Even if they were

sweetened

> with conventional sugar, consuming mass quantities of those products

would

> still cause weight gain. Why blame the corn syrup for a lack of self

> control?

>

> Garry

Here

>

fair enough remarks .

As for the MSG article ... not new to me .I wrote Jack of Truth in

Labeling on the issue of fermented foods namely i eat saurcroute and

traditional 15th century recipe, soy sauce.in modertion.

i gerernally also try to avoid tyramine foods which some say is

aspecial AF risk and is common in some of the high MSG foods.

Just label the food and everyone can eat all the MSG they want . in

terms of quanity .hydrolized protien and modified corn starch is the

major source of free glutamate.The pro labelers just want a label that

clearly states that it has MSG in it.

I bought a " traditional " sauce in Costa Rica . It has that slimey

hydrolised protien texture and i threw it out .

NSR 3 years whole food lifestyle

[Guest guest]

I was afraid of the 3% complication rate prior to my PVI... I think that's

normal and healthy, and educated. Now I have changed my position, not to fit

the subject, but because I HAD a PVI and I'm looking back. It's easy for me now

to remind others who are concerned, that there may be a 3% complication rate,

but there is also a 97% no complication rate.. it's the same coin from different

angles.

wrbyv789 bogbs123@...> wrote:

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Doug,

I think I know what you mean. I get lot of good information from this site, but

some people like to go on and on about things. Like the person that was afraid

to have an ablation because of the 1% to 3%

complication rate. Now that they have had the ablation, they think the

complication rate is OK and say it means a 97% success rate. It is very

intersting to follow what some people post on this site and how

their position changes to fit the subject. And there is always someone

somewhere who told them something.