Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 As per the USDOL, all non-management employees have to be paid OT, even if they are on salary. There are some exceptions. I have heard of some guys that only get comp time. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-P --- THEDUDMAN@... wrote: > Larry, > > What happens if you work more than 40 hours in a > week? If you work longer than 40, they owe you some > more money.... > > Dudley > > > Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > That is a good question because our department only > pays straight time and no overtime such as time and > a half or double time. I was asked to work Christmas > Day and I refused. What is the incentive to work > holidays for straight time? > Larry D. > > __________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of > free safety and security tools, free access to > millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to agree on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus some have families to support and cannot afford to just " walkout " Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-P --- " lwd7734@... " wrote: > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > where to start. > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > profession are underpaid and treated like second > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > far between these days. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > 30k for a private service running non emergent > transfers, for around here, > is not bad. Not sure what part of the world you hail > from, so I don't know > what to compare it to. Then again, 30k in Austin is > about what a fry guy > trainee is making.... And this is the sad reality that a burger flipper makes more or around the same as us, and we deal with peoples lives. Then again we have nothing to complain about because our instructors warned us that there was no money in EMS. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- Hatfield wrote: > Larry, > > We agree that medics are still now, and will > continue to be underpaid as a > whole until we muster together and do something > about it. THERE is the > underlying problem, for whatever reasons we cannot > seem to agree on what we > want, let alone how to get it. That'll take time to > work out. Difficult, but > not impossible. > > There are services out there that truly take > advantage of their employees, > those are the ones that need to be rooted out and > exposed. On the flip side, > there are those that truly do what is best for the > employees while at the > same time continuing to make a profit, which is the > main reason they are in > existence. > > While I do agree that it takes a special person to > volunteer (most of us > older ones started out as such), so long as they > volunteer, their entity > will never advance to hiring paid staff. That is not > a slam on volunteers, > merely an observation. I understand why they do it, > and in some places I > certainly understand the budget constraints. That's > a whole different > thread... > > 30k for a private service running non emergent > transfers, for around here, > is not bad. Not sure what part of the world you hail > from, so I don't know > what to compare it to. Then again, 30k in Austin is > about what a fry guy > trainee is making.... > > Mike > > > > Hatfield FF/EMT-P > www.canyonlakefire-ems.org > <http://www.canyonlakefire-ems.org/> > " Ubi concordia, ibi victoria " > > RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > certainly isn't good pay for a > Paramedic. I still maintain that Paramedics are > underpaid and we need to > unite and fight for better pay. That is why there is > a nationwide Paramedic > shortage. Now is the time to do something about it, > but no one can agree on > where to start. > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > and it took me a long > time to realize that we as a profession are > underpaid and treated like > second class citizens. I still admire those > volunteers that love to do this > job for free, but they are few and far between these > days. > > __________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno. <http://www.juno.com/value> > com/value to sign up > today! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Paramedics are not paid what they are worth, alot of things weigh into that factor, and yes it sucks. One way to look at it is a Paramedic at say $13 an hr 2-24 hr shifts makes a little over 35k a year w/ 5 days off a week. Throw a extra 12 at time and a half you are at 47,500. If you have a decent benefit package Insurance,Vacation,ECT. and 4 days off a week thats not too bad? That is if you get a little down time and dont have to post your whole 24 hour shift in a unit. I must have missed the part in class where they said I would have to work 72 hour a week and not get rich being a Paramedic. (lol) > > > Larry, > > > > We agree that medics are still now, and will > > continue to be underpaid as a > > whole until we muster together and do something > > about it. THERE is the > > underlying problem, for whatever reasons we cannot > > seem to agree on what we > > want, let alone how to get it. That'll take time to > > work out. Difficult, but > > not impossible. > > > > There are services out there that truly take > > advantage of their employees, > > those are the ones that need to be rooted out and > > exposed. On the flip side, > > there are those that truly do what is best for the > > employees while at the > > same time continuing to make a profit, which is the > > main reason they are in > > existence. > > > > While I do agree that it takes a special person to > > volunteer (most of us > > older ones started out as such), so long as they > > volunteer, their entity > > will never advance to hiring paid staff. That is not > > a slam on volunteers, > > merely an observation. I understand why they do it, > > and in some places I > > certainly understand the budget constraints. That's > > a whole different > > thread... > > > > 30k for a private service running non emergent > > transfers, for around here, > > is not bad. Not sure what part of the world you hail > > from, so I don't know > > what to compare it to. Then again, 30k in Austin is > > about what a fry guy > > trainee is making.... > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > www.canyonlakefire-ems.org > > <http://www.canyonlakefire-ems.org/> > > " Ubi concordia, ibi victoria " > > > > RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > > > > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > > certainly isn't good pay for a > > Paramedic. I still maintain that Paramedics are > > underpaid and we need to > > unite and fight for better pay. That is why there is > > a nationwide Paramedic > > shortage. Now is the time to do something about it, > > but no one can agree on > > where to start. > > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > > and it took me a long > > time to realize that we as a profession are > > underpaid and treated like > > second class citizens. I still admire those > > volunteers that love to do this > > job for free, but they are few and far between these > > days. > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > > Visit http://www.juno. <http://www.juno.com/value> > > com/value to sign up > > today! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Okay...it has been a while, so lets try this again....in the past 4 hours or so, there have been 3 postings saying that $30K a year is not good pay for a paramedic.... So, in a perfect world, what is the appropriate pay for a paramedic....break it down into 3 levels: Appropriate: Good: Excellent: To keep it simple, lets say this is for any length of shift and it is what the average paramedic who came to work, took some vacation, got sick a couple/three times a year...what would their W-2 show at the end of a 12-month period????? I am curious...we all know we don't get paid enough...but is there ever an enough? Fill this in with your thoughts.... Dudley RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question Thanks for giving me that information, but it certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time to do something about it, but no one can agree on where to start. There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid and it took me a long time to realize that we as a profession are underpaid and treated like second class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that love to do this job for free, but they are few and far between these days. __________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 In a message dated 12/9/2006 5:03:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, baystarems@... writes: We are making history. We are? To me a good wage is one that can sustain a person and a family so that they don't qualify for welfare and food stamps as many Medics do now (nationwide). Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Home Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 OK I guess I am confused here, all of you think that working the holiday deserve a bonus? I have read some (not all) of the threads and I have seen everything from band together (union if you read between the lines) and lets walk out (stupid idea and you don't have to read between the lines). I've been in EMS longer (1969) than when the name " Emergency Medical Services " was born (1971) and pushed as the " new ambulance service title " cause it was more than just a ride to the hospital and we were trying to break free from the " meatwagon " or " just an ambulance driver " labels that still haunt us. I have worked for employers that gave bonuses, Christmas parties, turkeys or hams, and some of them gave all of those things and some gave nothing but a handshake and a " Merry Christmas " . I never have expected or demanded for the person or company that I worked for to do anything special for me just cause I was there. Maybe I have a wierd work ethic but I always figured that the holidays were nice days to be at home, but if duty calls and your on the schedule it is like any other public service job, you go to work and arrange to celebrate that particular Christmas a day before you go in. True it is not a satisfactory subsitute to being there with your family on THE day, but again if your scheduled to work then you go in. If you have enough seniority to take it off then great, do it. Last year I VOLUNTEERED to work both Christmas and Thanksgiving for the Regional Director that was scheduled those days. We swapped days. He has a wife and child, I have a son and grand daughter that live in another town and will see directly before or after Christmas Day. This year I was scheduled to work those days and am not complaining since if I was scheduled to be off I would have volunteered to do it again. It's better than sitting at home wondering when the resturaunts will open. Next year who knows I will cross that bridge when I get there and blow it up when I am safely on the other side. Yes I agree the holidays are special this time of year and those with families suffer the " loss " greater since they have to be at work and not with those they love. One employer encouraged us to have our families over to the station for the holidays and the wives/girlfriends cooked, the kids played a game on the television or some board/card game and the guys helped all they could between calls. It was wonderful and all enjoyed it to where it was a yearly thing and we actually looked forward to it. I guess what confuses me is where the h*ll did good old fashioned comraderie go? You can make the best of the holiday with very little effort. I guess instead of " chasing a rabbit here " I should close. Opinions from Dinosaurs, especially those that are proud of what they do is usually not welcome. Ok I have gotten off the soap box without breaking my hip so in closing if you are scheduled to work, be thankful you have a job and by all means GET OVER IT. I do hope all of you and yours will have a wonderful Christmas and I hope that your New Year is everything you want and hope it to be. Have fun Christmas, and wave at me (with all your fingers) when you see me trolling the Interstate looking to get my hands dirty. Ed Brando Regional Director ETMC/EMS RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to agree on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus some have families to support and cannot afford to just " walkout " Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-P --- " lwd7734@... " wrote: > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > where to start. > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > profession are underpaid and treated like second > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > far between these days. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Yes I agree the holidays are special this time of > year and those with families suffer the " loss " > greater since they have to be at work and not with > those they love. One employer encouraged us to have > our families over to the station for the holidays > and the wives/girlfriends cooked, the kids played a > game on the television or some board/card game and > the guys helped all they could between calls. It > was wonderful and all enjoyed it to where it was a > yearly thing and we actually looked forward to it. > I guess what confuses me is where the h*ll did good > old fashioned comraderie go? You can make the best > of the holiday with very little effort. I know what you are talking about because we had this at a company I used to work for. For those who have never experienced this, it is great. It makes evrything else seem minute. I will take comraderie over pay and everything else anytime. I guess what confuses me is where the h*ll did good > old fashioned comraderie go? It is caused by the high turnover rate and bad management/administration. And lastly by employers that don't want to pay their medics to " enjoy " work. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic --- emsbrando@... wrote: > OK I guess I am confused here, all of you think that > working the holiday deserve a bonus? I have read > some (not all) of the threads and I have seen > everything from band together (union if you read > between the lines) and lets walk out (stupid idea > and you don't have to read between the lines). > > I've been in EMS longer (1969) than when the name > " Emergency Medical Services " was born (1971) and > pushed as the " new ambulance service title " cause > it was more than just a ride to the hospital and we > were trying to break free from the " meatwagon " or > " just an ambulance driver " labels that still haunt > us. I have worked for employers that gave bonuses, > Christmas parties, turkeys or hams, and some of them > gave all of those things and some gave nothing but a > handshake and a " Merry Christmas " . I never have > expected or demanded for the person or company that > I worked for to do anything special for me just > cause I was there. > > Maybe I have a wierd work ethic but I always figured > that the holidays were nice days to be at home, but > if duty calls and your on the schedule it is like > any other public service job, you go to work and > arrange to celebrate that particular Christmas a day > before you go in. True it is not a satisfactory > subsitute to being there with your family on THE > day, but again if your scheduled to work then you go > in. If you have enough seniority to take it off > then great, do it. > > Last year I VOLUNTEERED to work both Christmas and > Thanksgiving for the Regional Director that was > scheduled those days. We swapped days. He has a > wife and child, I have a son and grand daughter that > live in another town and will see directly before or > after Christmas Day. This year I was scheduled to > work those days and am not complaining since if I > was scheduled to be off I would have volunteered to > do it again. It's better than sitting at home > wondering when the resturaunts will open. Next year > who knows I will cross that bridge when I get there > and blow it up when I am safely on the other side. > > Yes I agree the holidays are special this time of > year and those with families suffer the " loss " > greater since they have to be at work and not with > those they love. One employer encouraged us to have > our families over to the station for the holidays > and the wives/girlfriends cooked, the kids played a > game on the television or some board/card game and > the guys helped all they could between calls. It > was wonderful and all enjoyed it to where it was a > yearly thing and we actually looked forward to it. > I guess what confuses me is where the h*ll did good > old fashioned comraderie go? You can make the best > of the holiday with very little effort. > > I guess instead of " chasing a rabbit here " I should > close. Opinions from Dinosaurs, especially those > that are proud of what they do is usually not > welcome. Ok I have gotten off the soap box without > breaking my hip so in closing if you are scheduled > to work, be thankful you have a job and by all means > GET OVER IT. > > I do hope all of you and yours will have a wonderful > Christmas and I hope that your New Year is > everything you want and hope it to be. Have fun > Christmas, and wave at me (with all your fingers) > when you see me trolling the Interstate looking to > get my hands dirty. > > Ed Brando > Regional Director > ETMC/EMS > > > RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to > agree > on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus > some have families to support and cannot afford to > just " walkout " > Salvador Capuchino Jr > EMT-P > --- " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why > there > > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the > time > > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > > where to start. > > There was a time that I didn't care what I got > paid > > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > > profession are underpaid and treated like second > > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers > that > > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > > far between these days. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only > $9.95/month! > > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email > Storage. > > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Can someone or the group tell me something? What does everyone think a " good " pay for an EMT and paramedic is? Be fair in answering that question because i feel a paramedic working in rural should not be paid the same as one working in an urbal area. Now, i am aware of rural areas paying bteer than several urban areas. I dont care. I dont want this to get into a discuss one who pays better. I just want a simple question ansered. What do folks believe an EMT and a paramedic should make. We are making history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 My bad with the spelling in the last email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Gotta say " BRAVO " to my friend and fellow dinosaur Ed. I worked every holiday for years so the ones with kids didn't have to, but somebody has to do it. There are plenty of jobs around, most paying more than EMS, that give you scheduled holidays off. Why not try a change of career if you can't deal with working holidays? Gene G. Older than Ed, even. > > OK I guess I am confused here, all of you think that working the holiday > deserve a bonus? I have read some (not all) of the threads and I have seen > everything from band together (union if you read between the lines) and lets walk > out (stupid idea and you don't have to read between the lines). > > I've been in EMS longer (1969) than when the name " Emergency Medical > Services " was born (1971) and pushed as the " new ambulance service title " cause it > was more than just a ride to the hospital and we were trying to break free > from the " meatwagon " or " just an ambulance driver " labels that still haunt us. I > have worked for employers that gave bonuses, Christmas parties, turkeys or > hams, and some of them gave all of those things and some gave nothing but a > handshake and a " Merry Christmas " . I never have expected or demanded for the > person or company that I worked for to do anything special for me just cause I > was there. > > Maybe I have a wierd work ethic but I always figured that the holidays were > nice days to be at home, but if duty calls and your on the schedule it is > like any other public service job, you go to work and arrange to celebrate that > particular Christmas a day before you go in. True it is not a satisfactory > subsitute to being there with your family on THE day, but again if your > scheduled to work then you go in. If you have enough seniority to take it off then > great, do it. > > Last year I VOLUNTEERED to work both Christmas and Thanksgiving for the > Regional Director that was scheduled those days. We swapped days. He has a wife > and child, I have a son and grand daughter that live in another town and will > see directly before or after Christmas Day. This year I was scheduled to work > those days and am not complaining since if I was scheduled to be off I would > have volunteered to do it again. It's better than sitting at home wondering > when the resturaunts will open. Next year who knows I will cross that bridge > when I get there and blow it up when I am safely on the other side. > > Yes I agree the holidays are special this time of year and those with > families suffer the " loss " greater since they have to be at work and not with those > they love. One employer encouraged us to have our families over to the > station for the holidays and the wives/girlfriends cooked, the kids played a game > on the television or some board/card game and the guys helped all they could > between calls. It was wonderful and all enjoyed it to where it was a yearly > thing and we actually looked forward to it. I guess what confuses me is where > the h*ll did good old fashioned comraderie go? You can make the best of the > holiday with very little effort. > > I guess instead of " chasing a rabbit here " I should close. Opinions from > Dinosaurs, especially those that are proud of what they do is usually not > welcome. Ok I have gotten off the soap box without breaking my hip so in closing if > you are scheduled to work, be thankful you have a job and by all means GET > OVER IT. > > I do hope all of you and yours will have a wonderful Christmas and I hope > that your New Year is everything you want and hope it to be. Have fun > Christmas, and wave at me (with all your fingers) when you see me trolling the > Interstate looking to get my hands dirty. > > Ed Brando > Regional Director > ETMC/EMS > > > RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to agree > on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus > some have families to support and cannot afford to > just " walkout " > Salvador Capuchino Jr > EMT-P > --- " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there > > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time > > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > > where to start. > > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > > profession are underpaid and treated like second > > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that > > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > > far between these days. > > > > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! 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Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Ahh, what is life? G > > Gene - > > Since you, Ed and Henry were born BC, wouldn't that mean you only had to > deal with this issue for the last 1/3rd to 1/2 of your lives? Remember that > these new-kids are having to deal with the Christmas Holiday Issue for > their entire lives thus far... > > Mike > > On 12/10/06, wegandy1938@wegandy <wegandy1938@wegandy> wrote: > > > > Gotta say " BRAVO " to my friend and fellow dinosaur Ed. > > > > I worked every holiday for years so the ones with kids didn't have to, but > > > > somebody has to do it. There are plenty of jobs around, most paying more > > than > > EMS, that give you scheduled holidays off. Why not try a change of career > > if > > you can't deal with working holidays? > > > > Gene G. > > Older than Ed, even. > > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/06 1:30:28 PM, emsbrando@...< > emsbrando%40aol.ems>writes: > > > > > > > > OK I guess I am confused here, all of you think that working the holiday > > > > > deserve a bonus? I have read some (not all) of the threads and I have > > seen > > > everything from band together (union if you read between the lines) and > > lets walk > > > out (stupid idea and you don't have to read between the lines). > > > > > > I've been in EMS longer (1969) than when the name " Emergency Medical > > > Services " was born (1971) and pushed as the " new ambulance service > > title " cause it > > > was more than just a ride to the hospital and we were trying to break > > free > > > from the " meatwagon " or " just an ambulance driver " labels that still > > haunt us. I > > > have worked for employers that gave bonuses, Christmas parties, turkeys > > or > > > hams, and some of them gave all of those things and some gave nothing > > but a > > > handshake and a " Merry Christmas " . I never have expected or demanded for > > the > > > person or company that I worked for to do anything special for me just > > cause I > > > was there. > > > > > > Maybe I have a wierd work ethic but I always figured that the holidays > > were > > > nice days to be at home, but if duty calls and your on the schedule it > > is > > > like any other public service job, you go to work and arrange to > > celebrate that > > > particular Christmas a day before you go in. True it is not a > > satisfactory > > > subsitute to being there with your family on THE day, but again if your > > > scheduled to work then you go in. If you have enough seniority to take > > it off then > > > great, do it. > > > > > > Last year I VOLUNTEERED to work both Christmas and Thanksgiving for the > > > Regional Director that was scheduled those days. We swapped days. He has > > a wife > > > and child, I have a son and grand daughter that live in another town and > > will > > > see directly before or after Christmas Day. This year I was scheduled to > > work > > > those days and am not complaining since if I was scheduled to be off I > > would > > > have volunteered to do it again. It's better than sitting at home > > wondering > > > when the resturaunts will open. Next year who knows I will cross that > > bridge > > > when I get there and blow it up when I am safely on the other side. > > > > > > Yes I agree the holidays are special this time of year and those with > > > families suffer the " loss " greater since they have to be at work and not > > with those > > > they love. One employer encouraged us to have our families over to the > > > station for the holidays and the wives/girlfriends cooked, the kids > > played a game > > > on the television or some board/card game and the guys helped all they > > could > > > between calls. It was wonderful and all enjoyed it to where it was a > > yearly > > > thing and we actually looked forward to it. I guess what confuses me is > > where > > > the h*ll did good old fashioned comraderie go? You can make the best of > > the > > > holiday with very little effort. > > > > > > I guess instead of " chasing a rabbit here " I should close. Opinions from > > > > > Dinosaurs, especially those that are proud of what they do is usually > > not > > > welcome. Ok I have gotten off the soap box without breaking my hip so in > > closing if > > > you are scheduled to work, be thankful you have a job and by all means > > GET > > > OVER IT. > > > > > > I do hope all of you and yours will have a wonderful Christmas and I > > hope > > > that your New Year is everything you want and hope it to be. Have fun > > > Christmas, and wave at me (with all your fingers) when you see me > > trolling the > > > Interstate looking to get my hands dirty. > > > > > > Ed Brando > > > Regional Director > > > ETMC/EMS > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > > > > The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to agree > > > on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus > > > some have families to support and cannot afford to > > > just " walkout " > > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > > EMT-P > > > --- " lwd7734@... <lwd7734%40juno.lwd> " <lwd7734@...< > lwd7734%40juno.lwd>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > > > > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > > > > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > > > > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there > > > > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time > > > > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > > > > where to start. > > > > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > > > > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > > > > profession are underpaid and treated like second > > > > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that > > > > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > > > > far between these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > > > > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > > > > Visit http://www.juno.http://ww to sign up today! > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Gene - Since you, Ed and Henry were born BC, wouldn't that mean you only had to deal with this issue for the last 1/3rd to 1/2 of your lives? Remember that these new-kids are having to deal with the Christmas Holiday Issue for their entire lives thus far... Mike > > Gotta say " BRAVO " to my friend and fellow dinosaur Ed. > > I worked every holiday for years so the ones with kids didn't have to, but > > somebody has to do it. There are plenty of jobs around, most paying more > than > EMS, that give you scheduled holidays off. Why not try a change of career > if > you can't deal with working holidays? > > Gene G. > Older than Ed, even. > > > In a message dated 12/9/06 1:30:28 PM, emsbrando@...<emsbrando%40aol.com>writes: > > > > > OK I guess I am confused here, all of you think that working the holiday > > > deserve a bonus? I have read some (not all) of the threads and I have > seen > > everything from band together (union if you read between the lines) and > lets walk > > out (stupid idea and you don't have to read between the lines). > > > > I've been in EMS longer (1969) than when the name " Emergency Medical > > Services " was born (1971) and pushed as the " new ambulance service > title " cause it > > was more than just a ride to the hospital and we were trying to break > free > > from the " meatwagon " or " just an ambulance driver " labels that still > haunt us. I > > have worked for employers that gave bonuses, Christmas parties, turkeys > or > > hams, and some of them gave all of those things and some gave nothing > but a > > handshake and a " Merry Christmas " . I never have expected or demanded for > the > > person or company that I worked for to do anything special for me just > cause I > > was there. > > > > Maybe I have a wierd work ethic but I always figured that the holidays > were > > nice days to be at home, but if duty calls and your on the schedule it > is > > like any other public service job, you go to work and arrange to > celebrate that > > particular Christmas a day before you go in. True it is not a > satisfactory > > subsitute to being there with your family on THE day, but again if your > > scheduled to work then you go in. If you have enough seniority to take > it off then > > great, do it. > > > > Last year I VOLUNTEERED to work both Christmas and Thanksgiving for the > > Regional Director that was scheduled those days. We swapped days. He has > a wife > > and child, I have a son and grand daughter that live in another town and > will > > see directly before or after Christmas Day. This year I was scheduled to > work > > those days and am not complaining since if I was scheduled to be off I > would > > have volunteered to do it again. It's better than sitting at home > wondering > > when the resturaunts will open. Next year who knows I will cross that > bridge > > when I get there and blow it up when I am safely on the other side. > > > > Yes I agree the holidays are special this time of year and those with > > families suffer the " loss " greater since they have to be at work and not > with those > > they love. One employer encouraged us to have our families over to the > > station for the holidays and the wives/girlfriends cooked, the kids > played a game > > on the television or some board/card game and the guys helped all they > could > > between calls. It was wonderful and all enjoyed it to where it was a > yearly > > thing and we actually looked forward to it. I guess what confuses me is > where > > the h*ll did good old fashioned comraderie go? You can make the best of > the > > holiday with very little effort. > > > > I guess instead of " chasing a rabbit here " I should close. Opinions from > > > Dinosaurs, especially those that are proud of what they do is usually > not > > welcome. Ok I have gotten off the soap box without breaking my hip so in > closing if > > you are scheduled to work, be thankful you have a job and by all means > GET > > OVER IT. > > > > I do hope all of you and yours will have a wonderful Christmas and I > hope > > that your New Year is everything you want and hope it to be. Have fun > > Christmas, and wave at me (with all your fingers) when you see me > trolling the > > Interstate looking to get my hands dirty. > > > > Ed Brando > > Regional Director > > ETMC/EMS > > > > > > RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > > The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to agree > > on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus > > some have families to support and cannot afford to > > just " walkout " > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-P > > --- " lwd7734@... <lwd7734%40juno.lwd> " <lwd7734@...<lwd7734%40juno.lwd>> > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > > > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > > > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > > > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there > > > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time > > > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > > > where to start. > > > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > > > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > > > profession are underpaid and treated like second > > > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that > > > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > > > far between these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > > > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > > > Visit http://www.juno.http://ww to sign up today! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yes my child, look at the picture of the three wise men very closely. I'm the one on the left. We were on a dedicated standby at the time. ed RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > > The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to agree > > on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus > > some have families to support and cannot afford to > > just " walkout " > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-P > > --- " lwd7734@... <lwd7734%40juno.lwd> " <lwd7734@...<lwd7734%40juno.lwd>> > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > > > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > > > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > > > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there > > > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time > > > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > > > where to start. > > > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > > > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > > > profession are underpaid and treated like second > > > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that > > > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > > > far between these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > > > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > > > Visit http://www.juno.http://ww to sign up today! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Bzzzt!!! Dock yourself a day's pay. The manger at Bethlehem is not a post location. Unless the System Status Controller (dispatcher) assigned you to a call there or to post there, you shouldn't have been there. <GRIN> Mr. Scrooge RE: Re: Holiday Pay Question > > > > The fact is you wikk never get two paramedics to agree > > on one thing, let alone a whole room of them. Plus > > some have families to support and cannot afford to > > just " walkout " > > Salvador Capuchino Jr > > EMT-P > > --- " lwd7734@... <lwd7734%40juno.lwd> " <lwd7734@...<lwd7734%40juno.lwd>> > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for giving me that information, but it > > > certainly isn't good pay for a Paramedic. I still > > > maintain that Paramedics are underpaid and we need > > > to unite and fight for better pay. That is why there > > > is a nationwide Paramedic shortage. Now is the time > > > to do something about it, but no one can agree on > > > where to start. > > > There was a time that I didn't care what I got paid > > > and it took me a long time to realize that we as a > > > profession are underpaid and treated like second > > > class citizens. I still admire those volunteers that > > > love to do this job for free, but they are few and > > > far between these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > > > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > > > Visit http://www.juno.http://ww to sign up today! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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