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What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; as

good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. (Maxxis

761s).

Any advice?

Susie Jechow, LP

Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

Del Rio

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Susie:

If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

tx.rr.com> wrote:

What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; as

good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. (Maxxis

761s).

Any advice?

Susie Jechow, LP

Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

Del Rio

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In her email she said why: half the cost.

Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

with these vendors and price points.

Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

Mike :/

>

> Susie:

> If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

>

> tx.rr.com> wrote:

> What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

>

> We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires;

> as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> (Maxxis 761s).

>

> Any advice?

>

> Susie Jechow, LP

> Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> Del Rio

>

>

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Not sure if this helps, Susie, but Maxxis publishes a load chart for that

tire and it's available here:

<

http://www.maxxis.com/products/automotive/compare_products.asp?id=246 & UnitType=r\

oyal & product_ids=

>

You'll need to reference the size of tire you're using and probably consult

a dealer regarding the actual load if you're running a dual-wheel axle

setup, Type I, II, III, etc.

Mike :)

>

> What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

>

> We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires;

> as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> (Maxxis 761s).

>

> Any advice?

>

> Susie Jechow, LP

> Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> Del Rio

>

>

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Mike:

Cost is a factor that should be considered. My concern is does the tire do

what it is supposed to or designed to do,an emergency vehicle tire. I would

compare someone elses experience with Maxxis. Apparently, this tire is not doing

what it should. A good tire has to last and endure the punishment EMS subjects

it to. Apparently,the Michelin tire was performing its job,until a salesman said

otherwise. Cheap does not neccessiraly mean that it is better, Regards,rabbiems

Mike wrote:

In her email she said why: half the cost.

Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

with these vendors and price points.

Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

Mike :/

>

> Susie:

> If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

>

> tx.rr.com> wrote:

> What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

>

> We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires;

> as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> (Maxxis 761s).

>

> Any advice?

>

> Susie Jechow, LP

> Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> Del Rio

>

>

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> Mike:

> Cost is a factor that should be considered. My concern is does the tire do

what it is supposed to or designed to do,an emergency vehicle tire. I would

compare someone elses experience with Maxxis. Apparently, this tire is not doing

what it should. A good tire has to last and endure the punishment EMS subjects

it to. Apparently,the Michelin tire was performing its job,until a salesman said

otherwise. Cheap does not neccessiraly mean that it is better, Regards,rabbiems

On this you and I agree, but that's not the point that your first

email made. The other point I'd make is in regards to what percentage

of truck maintenance tires currently represent, and how much of a

difference a change in tire price makes with regards to the overall

maintenance budget. Of course now, with two failures, you have to

factor in replacement cost, if any, and related

downtime/out-of-service time. Sometimes cheap is more expensive, and

more expensive is cheaper...

Mike :)

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Mike,

I believe Doc was contributing to the discussion...if the Michelin tire was

meeting the needs...and the cheaper tire had problems...why change from

Michelins? I.E. the solution may be to go back to the previous

method...although more expensive up front...may not be in the long run...

Dudley

Re: tires

In her email she said why: half the cost.

Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

with these vendors and price points.

Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

Mike :/

>

> Susie:

> If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

>

> tx.rr.com> wrote:

> What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

>

> We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires;

> as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> (Maxxis 761s).

>

> Any advice?

>

> Susie Jechow, LP

> Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> Del Rio

>

>

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Sorry Mike,

Didn't realize he had also commented much the same as mine...BTW, I would love a

choice of tire...our city has some " unusual " policies regarding tires...but the

hour is late...

Dudley

Re: tires

In her email she said why: half the cost.

Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

with these vendors and price points.

Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

Mike :/

>

> Susie:

> If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

>

> tx.rr.com> wrote:

> What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

>

> We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires;

> as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> (Maxxis 761s).

>

> Any advice?

>

> Susie Jechow, LP

> Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> Del Rio

>

>

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In a message dated 11/8/2006 8:41:31 AM Central Standard Time,

hbarber@... writes:

If you think they have been checking the pressures, go out and check them

once yourself. You may find that they can't even get to the stem

And remember that as little as 3 psi difference between the inner and outer

tire of a dual mount can shorten the life of both tires and contribute to a

catastrophic failure at speed.

ck

S. Krin. DO FAAFP

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In a message dated 11/8/2006 9:57:20 AM Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

I could give y'all all a lesson in government contracting and procurement,

but it knocks people out quicker than Valium.

'You're from the Government, and I'm here to help you....'

Favorite line from a friend of mine who was giving a networking class to a

group of IRS employees several years ago when that agency started computer

modernization...

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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Although Wes could probably explain more, being a contracts attorney for

government, I'd imagine it's due to some strange-fangled bid process, and

some vendor won the " tire contract " for the City? Yeah, that can be fun...

worked at a PD where a garage 20 miles away won the contract to service our

tires, alignments, etc. Had to go out of service for more than an hour just

to get the tires rotated.

Mike :)

>

> Sorry Mike,

>

> Didn't realize he had also commented much the same as mine...BTW, I would

> love a choice of tire...our city has some " unusual " policies regarding

> tires...but the hour is late...

>

> Dudley

>

>

> Re: tires

>

> In her email she said why: half the cost.

>

> Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

> others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

> with these vendors and price points.

>

> Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

>

> Mike :/

>

> On 11/7/06, richard borenstein

<rabbiems2000@...<rabbiems2000%40yahoo.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Susie:

> > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

> >

> > tx.rr.com> wrote:

> > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

> >

> > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis

> tires;

> > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> > (Maxxis 761s).

> >

> > Any advice?

> >

> > Susie Jechow, LP

> > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> > Del Rio

> >

> >

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We run Goodyear's because we get the government pricing

Henry

Re: tires

In her email she said why: half the cost.

Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

with these vendors and price points.

Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

Mike :/

>

> Susie:

> If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

>

> tx.rr.com> wrote:

> What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

>

> We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires;

> as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> (Maxxis 761s).

>

> Any advice?

>

> Susie Jechow, LP

> Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> Del Rio

>

>

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Something to be considered about all tires. When the chassis comes from the

factory it has a factory alignment. When you mount the box and fill it up with

all the EMS stuff, that alignment may no longer be valid. The first thing you

should do when you get a new unit or remount is go get it aligned again. The

next is keep the tires inflated to the pressure the ambulance manufacture

suggest. (Crews hate this) If you think they have been checking the pressures,

go out and check them once yourself. You may find that they can't even get to

the stem. Post the correct pressure right above the wheel well that way their

will be no confusion about the correct pressure for front or back. Next you have

multi drivers. Some slow down for speed bumps and pot holes others barrel on.

Watch the tires close for inside outside wear. Realize you will probably have to

have wheel alignments from time to time. The big box trucks that run the 19.5

tires vary rarely get the real life of a tire. Just a fact of life. If we do our

job, the tires and most any tire that is rated for the weight we carry will

probably do its job reasonably well.

Henry

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Mike:

Cost is a factor that should be considered. My concern is does the tire do

what it is supposed to or designed to do,an emergency vehicle tire. I would

compare someone elses experience with Maxxis. Apparently, this tire is not doing

what it should. A good tire has to last and endure the punishment EMS subjects

it to. Apparently,the Michelin tire was performing its job,until a salesman said

otherwise. Cheap does not neccessiraly mean that it is better, Regards,rabbiems

Mike wrote:

In her email she said why: half the cost.

Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

with these vendors and price points.

Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

Mike :/

>

> Susie:

> If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

>

> tx.rr.com> wrote:

> What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

>

> We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires;

> as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> (Maxxis 761s).

>

> Any advice?

>

> Susie Jechow, LP

> Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> Del Rio

>

>

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Depends on the governmental entity and the amount of the purchase, but yeah, it

often happens that only or two businesses will bid on a contract.

There's a whole subset of companies that almost specialize in bidding on

government contracts. Their prices and/or service may not be the best, but they

know how to navigate the process and say what's being asked for. Thus, they get

the contract.

I could give y'all all a lesson in government contracting and procurement, but

it knocks people out quicker than Valium.

-Wes

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>

> In her email she said why: half the cost.

>

> Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from

> others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences

> with these vendors and price points.

>

> Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion?

>

> Mike :/

>

> On 11/7/06, richard borenstein

<rabbiems2000@...<rabbiems2000%40yahoo.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Susie:

> > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

> >

> > tx.rr.com> wrote:

> > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

> >

> > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis

> tires;

> > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> > (Maxxis 761s).

> >

> > Any advice?

> >

> > Susie Jechow, LP

> > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> > Del Rio

> >

> >

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After replying this to Susie off list, I realize I should have sent it to

the list as well. After all, most of us would really not relish another two

weeks of verbal accusation and debauchery over ANY subject so well visited.

We have enough outside friction to deal with to lower ourselves to display

the same juvenility within our own ranks.

Posted to Susie:

After trying other brands we went back to Michelin. We are currently using

the Michelin XLS Rib, with is rated for 116,000 miles. It has a steel

sidewall which reportedly helps reduce sway and blowouts. Strouhal Tire,

which has nine or ten offices across south and central Texas sold them to us

under the state contract, which any non-profit taxing entity qualifies for.

That saved us quite a bit on each tire. You may qualify for that as a

non-profit, even if you are not a taxing entity. You have to sign a form

declaring the use of the tires, which allows the dealer to get some of his

money back from the manufacturer. Most reputable tire shops can do this for

you. Some people will tell you that this only works with a given brand,

such as Goodyear, but I just save about 600 bucks on 14 tires that proves

otherwise.

Also make sure you are aware of the date code on your tires. If you cannot

find it, take it to a tire shop, they can point it out to you. Depending on

the brand, most tires should not be older that 4 to 6 years past the date

code, for maximum safety. We just trashed a set of tires with great trend,

that were out of date. Once you lose a couple of tires, one on the front at

70 mph, within a couple of weeks, you get a little leery.

End of post to Susie.

Guys, I promise you when you happen to be one of the people sitting in the

front seat of that truck when it leaves the highway abruptly at 70 and is on

a collision path with one of the light poles so conveniently placed in the

bottom of the esplanade, you will pucker a bit, and have a whole new idea of

what low bid is about. Hum, this might explain we just re-tired trucks,

right down to the spares, with new Michelins.

Henry is also right about the out of the box thing. The front end alignment

must compensate for things like that generator planted in the right rear of

the truck, etc. The only effective way to make sure it is aligned correctly

is to take the vehicle to a " truck " tire shop that has computer alignment,

not the ol' spit on the thumb process. The tires have to be dyna balanced

as well. Many small shops do dyna balancing for car tires, and bubble

balance larger tires. The tires also MUST NOT be static balanced (weight on

one side to balance the tire...often done on larger, high weight range

tires). The tires must be bought for the right weight range, which for most

of use running a Type I, is " E " .

The tire pressure mentioned is also very pertinent. You can get a screw on

cap for about $7 that will monitor the tire pressure and show red when under

pressured. The inside rear dual must have the stem clocked correctly for

access, and a longer stem can be requested that makes it easier to reach.

When I was at Fort Bend, we used a pressure monitoring system on the rear

tires that tied the two tires together. The tires always stayed at the same

pressure, were easier to fill, and the very easy to monitor the pressure on,

as it used a three color system. Think it was called " Crossfire " . The

system was rectified, so if one tire lost more than a very few pounds of

pressure acutely, the other tire would not deflate with it. It was so

effective, it save the cost of the unit. We then added single units on the

front tires, to increase crew compliance with tire pressure maintenance.

The contract that I referred Susie to is considered by most tire

manufacturers to be a state or national deal. This is pre-established and

is not tied to any local negotiation (local deals may save you more money,

but reduce your range of service locations).

No, I was not born in a tire shop or raised by a band of wolf-like tire

technicians, just been around a while. Henry Barber taught me paramedicine

back when he still had an afro the size of a number 3 wash tub.

Vernon Gresham

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> >

> > In her email she said why: half the cost.

> >

> > Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback

from

> > others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their

experiences

> > with these vendors and price points.

> >

> > Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the

discussion?

> >

> > Mike :/

> >

> > On 11/7/06, richard borenstein

<rabbiems2000@...<rabbiems2000%40yahoo.com>>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Susie:

> > > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc

> > >

> > > tx.rr.com> wrote:

> > > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires?

> > >

> > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis

> > tires;

> > > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad.

> > > (Maxxis 761s).

> > >

> > > Any advice?

> > >

> > > Susie Jechow, LP

> > > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS

> > > Del Rio

> > >

> > >

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You are kidding, right, Conley?

-Wes

Re: tires

Here's one vote for Wes's lesson in government contracting and procurement . . .

Muncipal, state, or federal level.

Conley Harmon

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