Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. (Maxxis 761s). Any advice? Susie Jechow, LP Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS Del Rio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Susie: If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc tx.rr.com> wrote: What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. (Maxxis 761s). Any advice? Susie Jechow, LP Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS Del Rio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 In her email she said why: half the cost. Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences with these vendors and price points. Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? Mike :/ > > Susie: > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > (Maxxis 761s). > > Any advice? > > Susie Jechow, LP > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > Del Rio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Not sure if this helps, Susie, but Maxxis publishes a load chart for that tire and it's available here: < http://www.maxxis.com/products/automotive/compare_products.asp?id=246 & UnitType=r\ oyal & product_ids= > You'll need to reference the size of tire you're using and probably consult a dealer regarding the actual load if you're running a dual-wheel axle setup, Type I, II, III, etc. Mike > > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > (Maxxis 761s). > > Any advice? > > Susie Jechow, LP > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > Del Rio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Mike: Cost is a factor that should be considered. My concern is does the tire do what it is supposed to or designed to do,an emergency vehicle tire. I would compare someone elses experience with Maxxis. Apparently, this tire is not doing what it should. A good tire has to last and endure the punishment EMS subjects it to. Apparently,the Michelin tire was performing its job,until a salesman said otherwise. Cheap does not neccessiraly mean that it is better, Regards,rabbiems Mike wrote: In her email she said why: half the cost. Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences with these vendors and price points. Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? Mike :/ > > Susie: > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > (Maxxis 761s). > > Any advice? > > Susie Jechow, LP > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > Del Rio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 > > Mike: > Cost is a factor that should be considered. My concern is does the tire do what it is supposed to or designed to do,an emergency vehicle tire. I would compare someone elses experience with Maxxis. Apparently, this tire is not doing what it should. A good tire has to last and endure the punishment EMS subjects it to. Apparently,the Michelin tire was performing its job,until a salesman said otherwise. Cheap does not neccessiraly mean that it is better, Regards,rabbiems On this you and I agree, but that's not the point that your first email made. The other point I'd make is in regards to what percentage of truck maintenance tires currently represent, and how much of a difference a change in tire price makes with regards to the overall maintenance budget. Of course now, with two failures, you have to factor in replacement cost, if any, and related downtime/out-of-service time. Sometimes cheap is more expensive, and more expensive is cheaper... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Mike, I believe Doc was contributing to the discussion...if the Michelin tire was meeting the needs...and the cheaper tire had problems...why change from Michelins? I.E. the solution may be to go back to the previous method...although more expensive up front...may not be in the long run... Dudley Re: tires In her email she said why: half the cost. Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences with these vendors and price points. Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? Mike :/ > > Susie: > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > (Maxxis 761s). > > Any advice? > > Susie Jechow, LP > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > Del Rio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Sorry Mike, Didn't realize he had also commented much the same as mine...BTW, I would love a choice of tire...our city has some " unusual " policies regarding tires...but the hour is late... Dudley Re: tires In her email she said why: half the cost. Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences with these vendors and price points. Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? Mike :/ > > Susie: > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > (Maxxis 761s). > > Any advice? > > Susie Jechow, LP > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > Del Rio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 In a message dated 11/8/2006 8:41:31 AM Central Standard Time, hbarber@... writes: If you think they have been checking the pressures, go out and check them once yourself. You may find that they can't even get to the stem And remember that as little as 3 psi difference between the inner and outer tire of a dual mount can shorten the life of both tires and contribute to a catastrophic failure at speed. ck S. Krin. DO FAAFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 In a message dated 11/8/2006 9:57:20 AM Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: I could give y'all all a lesson in government contracting and procurement, but it knocks people out quicker than Valium. 'You're from the Government, and I'm here to help you....' Favorite line from a friend of mine who was giving a networking class to a group of IRS employees several years ago when that agency started computer modernization... ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Although Wes could probably explain more, being a contracts attorney for government, I'd imagine it's due to some strange-fangled bid process, and some vendor won the " tire contract " for the City? Yeah, that can be fun... worked at a PD where a garage 20 miles away won the contract to service our tires, alignments, etc. Had to go out of service for more than an hour just to get the tires rotated. Mike > > Sorry Mike, > > Didn't realize he had also commented much the same as mine...BTW, I would > love a choice of tire...our city has some " unusual " policies regarding > tires...but the hour is late... > > Dudley > > > Re: tires > > In her email she said why: half the cost. > > Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from > others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences > with these vendors and price points. > > Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? > > Mike :/ > > On 11/7/06, richard borenstein <rabbiems2000@...<rabbiems2000%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > Susie: > > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis > tires; > > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > > (Maxxis 761s). > > > > Any advice? > > > > Susie Jechow, LP > > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > > Del Rio > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 We run Goodyear's because we get the government pricing Henry Re: tires In her email she said why: half the cost. Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences with these vendors and price points. Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? Mike :/ > > Susie: > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > (Maxxis 761s). > > Any advice? > > Susie Jechow, LP > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > Del Rio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Something to be considered about all tires. When the chassis comes from the factory it has a factory alignment. When you mount the box and fill it up with all the EMS stuff, that alignment may no longer be valid. The first thing you should do when you get a new unit or remount is go get it aligned again. The next is keep the tires inflated to the pressure the ambulance manufacture suggest. (Crews hate this) If you think they have been checking the pressures, go out and check them once yourself. You may find that they can't even get to the stem. Post the correct pressure right above the wheel well that way their will be no confusion about the correct pressure for front or back. Next you have multi drivers. Some slow down for speed bumps and pot holes others barrel on. Watch the tires close for inside outside wear. Realize you will probably have to have wheel alignments from time to time. The big box trucks that run the 19.5 tires vary rarely get the real life of a tire. Just a fact of life. If we do our job, the tires and most any tire that is rated for the weight we carry will probably do its job reasonably well. Henry Re: tires Mike: Cost is a factor that should be considered. My concern is does the tire do what it is supposed to or designed to do,an emergency vehicle tire. I would compare someone elses experience with Maxxis. Apparently, this tire is not doing what it should. A good tire has to last and endure the punishment EMS subjects it to. Apparently,the Michelin tire was performing its job,until a salesman said otherwise. Cheap does not neccessiraly mean that it is better, Regards,rabbiems Mike wrote: In her email she said why: half the cost. Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences with these vendors and price points. Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? Mike :/ > > Susie: > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis tires; > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > (Maxxis 761s). > > Any advice? > > Susie Jechow, LP > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > Del Rio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Depends on the governmental entity and the amount of the purchase, but yeah, it often happens that only or two businesses will bid on a contract. There's a whole subset of companies that almost specialize in bidding on government contracts. Their prices and/or service may not be the best, but they know how to navigate the process and say what's being asked for. Thus, they get the contract. I could give y'all all a lesson in government contracting and procurement, but it knocks people out quicker than Valium. -Wes Re: tires > > In her email she said why: half the cost. > > Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from > others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences > with these vendors and price points. > > Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? > > Mike :/ > > On 11/7/06, richard borenstein <rabbiems2000@...<rabbiems2000%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > Susie: > > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis > tires; > > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > > (Maxxis 761s). > > > > Any advice? > > > > Susie Jechow, LP > > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > > Del Rio > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Here's one vote for Wes's lesson in government contracting and procurement . . . Muncipal, state, or federal level. Conley Harmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 After replying this to Susie off list, I realize I should have sent it to the list as well. After all, most of us would really not relish another two weeks of verbal accusation and debauchery over ANY subject so well visited. We have enough outside friction to deal with to lower ourselves to display the same juvenility within our own ranks. Posted to Susie: After trying other brands we went back to Michelin. We are currently using the Michelin XLS Rib, with is rated for 116,000 miles. It has a steel sidewall which reportedly helps reduce sway and blowouts. Strouhal Tire, which has nine or ten offices across south and central Texas sold them to us under the state contract, which any non-profit taxing entity qualifies for. That saved us quite a bit on each tire. You may qualify for that as a non-profit, even if you are not a taxing entity. You have to sign a form declaring the use of the tires, which allows the dealer to get some of his money back from the manufacturer. Most reputable tire shops can do this for you. Some people will tell you that this only works with a given brand, such as Goodyear, but I just save about 600 bucks on 14 tires that proves otherwise. Also make sure you are aware of the date code on your tires. If you cannot find it, take it to a tire shop, they can point it out to you. Depending on the brand, most tires should not be older that 4 to 6 years past the date code, for maximum safety. We just trashed a set of tires with great trend, that were out of date. Once you lose a couple of tires, one on the front at 70 mph, within a couple of weeks, you get a little leery. End of post to Susie. Guys, I promise you when you happen to be one of the people sitting in the front seat of that truck when it leaves the highway abruptly at 70 and is on a collision path with one of the light poles so conveniently placed in the bottom of the esplanade, you will pucker a bit, and have a whole new idea of what low bid is about. Hum, this might explain we just re-tired trucks, right down to the spares, with new Michelins. Henry is also right about the out of the box thing. The front end alignment must compensate for things like that generator planted in the right rear of the truck, etc. The only effective way to make sure it is aligned correctly is to take the vehicle to a " truck " tire shop that has computer alignment, not the ol' spit on the thumb process. The tires have to be dyna balanced as well. Many small shops do dyna balancing for car tires, and bubble balance larger tires. The tires also MUST NOT be static balanced (weight on one side to balance the tire...often done on larger, high weight range tires). The tires must be bought for the right weight range, which for most of use running a Type I, is " E " . The tire pressure mentioned is also very pertinent. You can get a screw on cap for about $7 that will monitor the tire pressure and show red when under pressured. The inside rear dual must have the stem clocked correctly for access, and a longer stem can be requested that makes it easier to reach. When I was at Fort Bend, we used a pressure monitoring system on the rear tires that tied the two tires together. The tires always stayed at the same pressure, were easier to fill, and the very easy to monitor the pressure on, as it used a three color system. Think it was called " Crossfire " . The system was rectified, so if one tire lost more than a very few pounds of pressure acutely, the other tire would not deflate with it. It was so effective, it save the cost of the unit. We then added single units on the front tires, to increase crew compliance with tire pressure maintenance. The contract that I referred Susie to is considered by most tire manufacturers to be a state or national deal. This is pre-established and is not tied to any local negotiation (local deals may save you more money, but reduce your range of service locations). No, I was not born in a tire shop or raised by a band of wolf-like tire technicians, just been around a while. Henry Barber taught me paramedicine back when he still had an afro the size of a number 3 wash tub. Vernon Gresham Re: tires > > > > In her email she said why: half the cost. > > > > Services are trying to be budget conscious and she's seeking feedback from > > others who have faced a similar challenge and asking for their experiences > > with these vendors and price points. > > > > Did you have something along those lines to contribute to the discussion? > > > > Mike :/ > > > > On 11/7/06, richard borenstein <rabbiems2000@...<rabbiems2000%40yahoo.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Susie: > > > If Michelins meet your needs,stay with them.Why changes,Regards,Doc > > > > > > tx.rr.com> wrote: > > > What are 911 providers putting on their ambulances for tires? > > > > > > We have always used Michelins until a salesman told us about Maxxis > > tires; > > > as good as Michelins but half the cost. We had two and both went bad. > > > (Maxxis 761s). > > > > > > Any advice? > > > > > > Susie Jechow, LP > > > Val Verde Regional Medical Center EMS > > > Del Rio > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 You are kidding, right, Conley? -Wes Re: tires Here's one vote for Wes's lesson in government contracting and procurement . . . Muncipal, state, or federal level. Conley Harmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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