Vagal AF and beta blockers

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I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in the

last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training purposes).

Any comments or similar experiences?

Ant in Wales

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Hi Ant

I believe I have some vagal traits, my afib gets worse in the evening

and at night. My response to beta blockers were firstly sotalol made my

heart have long (5second pauses where the heart stops beating).

Atenelol made my BP go low and had dizzy spells. Propranlol made me

feel awful not have any energy. So I have given up on beta blockers.

I did have one week without afib on flecainide, however it did interfere

with my PM. It was possible the most successful drug out of those that

I have tried so far.

ine

Vagal AF and beta blockers

I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in the

last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training purposes).

Any comments or similar experiences?

Ant in Wales

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Hi Ant,

I cannot speak to your overall issues but I am curious about your comment “My

cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training purposes).”. I am

swimming for exercise and may consider a training regiment to compete (beginner

level/masters). I am currently taking Toprol XL and wonder, besides the usual

fatigue complaint (not my experience), in what way would this med interfere with

my training?

Thanks,

Alyce

Vagal AF and beta blockers

I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in the

last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training purposes).

Any comments or similar experiences?

Ant in Wales

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Hi Ant

My cardio thinks I am vagal, though I think I am more mixed with

occasional stress related events. I am on sotalol, which was difficult

for the first month but worth persevering with.

With reference to the training, it does affect your cardio capacity at

the top end. For instance it is now very difficult to get my hr above

125 bpm. If you go seriously for endurance sport, then this would be an

issue. I just have to take thinks a bit slower when climbing hills on

my bike.

Mark in England

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> I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

> rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

> treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

> etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in the

> last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

> sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

> blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training

purposes).

> Any comments or similar experiences?

>

> Ant in Wales

>

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Beta blockers is not favourable for Vagal AF . See Hans Larsens

site: www.Afibbers.com . My personal experiance with them is brief -

1/2 a tablet of Matropolol which set off a few hours of PACs PVCs and

general distrubed rhythm . I quit and do not plan to try it agan

until I am forced to go for rate control . I am not trying to scare

anyone. millions take b-blockers (some are a bit lighter and may not

cause even me a problem ).

I will take this chance to remind everyone (contrary to some recent

posts ) that b-blockers are not anti-arrhythmics. This is the main-

stream view . They only serves to slow the heart rate . Slow rate is

a problem for vagal types who are low heart rate when NSR and can

lead to volunteer pacemaking groups of cells etc.

for my part I remain NSR -3 years (after 9 mo. persistent AF)

whole food lifestyle no anti arrhythmics .

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> I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

> rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

> treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

> etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in

the

> last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

> sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

> blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training

purposes).

> Any comments or similar experiences?

>

> Ant in Wales

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I agree with your comments, I consider that my afib is vagal. I believe

that taking sotalol led to me needing a Pacemaker,

I had given up taking rate control drugs last October, this has led to

me having to find a new cardio.

I an interest to know do you take any meds? Or had an ablation?

ine

Re: Vagal AF and beta blockers

- Here

Beta blockers is not favourable for Vagal AF . See Hans Larsens

site: www.Afibbers.com . My personal experiance with them is brief -

1/2 a tablet of Matropolol which set off a few hours of PACs PVCs and

general distrubed rhythm . I quit and do not plan to try it agan

until I am forced to go for rate control . I am not trying to scare

anyone. millions take b-blockers (some are a bit lighter and may not

cause even me a problem ).

I will take this chance to remind everyone (contrary to some recent

posts ) that b-blockers are not anti-arrhythmics. This is the main-

stream view . They only serves to slow the heart rate . Slow rate is

a problem for vagal types who are low heart rate when NSR and can

lead to volunteer pacemaking groups of cells etc.

for my part I remain NSR -3 years (after 9 mo. persistent AF)

whole food lifestyle no anti arrhythmics .

-- In AFIBsupport , " " wrote:

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> I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

> rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

> treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

> etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in

the

> last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

> sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

> blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training

purposes).

> Any comments or similar experiences?

>

> Ant in Wales

>

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thanks Alyce

it *is* the fatigue, sluggish factor ...I suppose because adrenalin

is required for effective training

Ant

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> Hi Ant,

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> I cannot speak to your overall issues but I am curious about your

comment " My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

> blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training

purposes). " . I am swimming for exercise and may consider a training

regiment to compete (beginner level/masters). I am currently taking

Toprol XL and wonder, besides the usual fatigue complaint (not my

experience), in what way would this med interfere with my training?

>

> Thanks,

> Alyce

> Vagal AF and beta blockers

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> I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

> rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

> treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

> etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in

the

> last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

> sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

> blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training

purposes).

> Any comments or similar experiences?

>

> Ant in Wales

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ant,

That's what I thought but again fatigue hasn't been a major problem for me.

Like you I am dealing with endurance issues due to breathing problems. I have

mentioned the shortness of breath thing to my cardio who just shruggs saying he

doesn't know what that is all about. Typical, right?!

It's a catch 22 because the BetaBlockers might prevent a major AF episode but

they also interfere with exercise which is vital in keeping your heart healthy!

Vagal AF and beta blockers

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> I exhibit some `classical' vagal traits ( male 41, athletic, HR at

>  rest 58 etc) and many events have indeed been postural. Drug

>  treatments have been based on this fact ( flecainide, norspace

>  etc) .However I have had a number of `stress' initiated events in

the

>  last year. My breathing gets disturbed, resulting in PAC's and

>  sometimes AF. My cardio has suggested experimenting with a beta

>  blocker (although he states they are not ideal for training

purposes).

>  Any comments or similar experiences?

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