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Nitro- tabs? Nitroglycerin? sublingual or what? is he having any of the side

effects of overdose? severe headaches, difficult or slowed breathing, slowed

or irreg heartbeat, vomitting- nausea, fever, dizziness, vision changes etc.

another in his case would be- does it seem that his alzheimers has gotten

worse- - confusion wise? this is another big tip off to an overdose.

the norm is no more than 3 tabs/ 15 mins

Good luck and let us know what you find out.

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Dear ,

Alzheimer/s is a very difficult disease to deal with in your loved ones. I

remember how difficult it was for Steve to make decisions regarding his Mom

after his Dad/s death. His Dad did a great job of covering up his Mom/s

disease.

He is an only too.. and finally had to make the decision to take away his

Mom/s driving priviledges.. she kept forgetting where she was going and how

to get back home. She would forget that she was cooking and caught the

kitchen on fire .. this is when he finally made the decision to have a

caregiver with her during the daytime. When she started opening the door

after the caregiver had gone for the day to perfect strangers, invited them

in, and proceeded to tell them where she kept valuables, he decided that she

could no longer stay home alone .. and due to financial reasons, had to place

her in a long term nursing home . It was a difficult but necessary decision.

We visited her daily and had a caregiver stay with her in the nursing home

during the day to make sure that she had good care.

I dont know what to tell you to do about your Dad.. but know that I will be

praying for you as you face making these difficult decisions regarding his

care. It is very hard when we, the children, have to take on the parenthood

role for our own parents.

Hugs,

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What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got them from me.

Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

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I myself have no idea, I would call an ER and ask the on call doc. When did you

find out he was taking them like that?

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What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got them from

me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

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just now. I've been suspicious. Thought he was losing them. I think his doc

just sends you to ER. So, guess I'll call there, but I'm not high in

confidence.

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What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got them from

me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

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Um, and thanks.

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What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got them from

me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

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Ok but let me know what you find out. Sorry if your hospital isn't the greatest.

Hope every thing goes well. Love ya Dawn

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What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got them

from me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

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Do you know how many he is taking at any given time? Is he taking a

handful at a time or is he taking one or two an hour? Is he showing

any symptoms that are unusual for him? What does his BP normally run?

Protocol allows us to administer nitro if the systolic BP is 100 or

more. On top of that, we normally only give up three doses if pain

hasn't subsided and they are spread out over 5 to 15 minutes apart.

Why and when was nitro prescribed? Is he supposed to take it only

when presented with chest pain or is he on it on a daily basis to

decrease the workload of his heart? I can tell you that nitro is

going to dilate every vein and artery throughout the body and as with

any medication it could cause adverse effects, some being serious.

Signs and symptoms that might appear would be dizziness, fainting,

headaches, shortness of breath leading to respiratory arrest,low BP,

bradycardia, heart palpitations, convulsions and others. I'm not

saying that all of these are going to occur, but there is a risk.

These particular symptoms would set off a red flag to me and would

most likely need medical intervention. I would definately talk to his

doctor about it and if you aren't comfortable with them, then I would

try talking him into changing doctors. I would not ignore this!

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Looked up nitroglycerin - this is what happens when you overdose:

• Symptoms of a nitroglycerin overdose include a severe throbbing

headache, difficult or slow breathing, muscle cramps, nausea,

vomiting, diarrhea, fever, dizziness, fainting, an irregular or slow

heartbeat, changes in vision, confusion, flushing, and seizures.

So if you think your dad has been taking all of these, then he does

need medical attention. Of course, it is possible that the bottles

are just misplaced at his house. Sounds like it is also time for a

discussion with his doctor about alternative treatments. I know their

are nitro patches. But of course, he may not leave them on or may put

too many on. We went thru alheimers with my paternal grandmother, so

I understand the situation fully. It is difficult.

PatC/FL :)

> What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

>

> My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got

them from me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

>

> My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

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> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

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Do you know how many he is taking at any given time? Is he taking a

handful at a time or is he taking one or two an hour? Is he showing

any symptoms that are unusual for him? What does his BP normally run?

Protocol allows us to administer nitro if the systolic BP is 100 or

more. On top of that, we normally only give up three doses if pain

hasn't subsided and they are spread out over 5 to 15 minutes apart.

Why and when was nitro prescribed? Is he supposed to take it only

when presented with chest pain or is he on it on a daily basis to

decrease the workload of his heart? I can tell you that nitro is

going to dilate every vein and artery throughout the body and as with

any medication it could cause adverse effects, some being serious.

Signs and symptoms that might appear would be dizziness, fainting,

headaches, shortness of breath leading to respiratory arrest,low BP,

bradycardia, heart palpitations, convulsions and others. I'm not

saying that all of these are going to occur, but there is a risk.

These particular symptoms would set off a red flag to me and would

most likely need medical intervention. I would definately talk to his

doctor about it and if you aren't comfortable with them, then I would

try talking him into changing doctors. I would not ignore this!

Lindy, Medic

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ummmmmm does he live alone? it may be time for live-in nurses or a rest home. I

know how hard that is, butttttttttttt if he is eating his nitro pills that isn't

good. and if he is taking that many cause he really is having angina pain, that

is even worse. I would think about more supervision for him. Just a thought

Phyllis

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What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got them from me.

Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

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Thanks! The ER nurse FINALLY called back. My guess is that he is taking 25

tabs over 7 days. She said 3 is not an OD, if 1 doesn't quell the angina.

Of course, the problems are that he insists:

a) we are not actually giving them to him

B) there are only 4 in the bottle

c) my step-dtr is stealing them

Soooooo, there we are. He does have an appt this week,. but I was thinking if

he's taken 125 of these, cumulative damage, you know?

He is taking his Tiazac (heart) SOMETIMES, which could be triggering the angina.

And around it goes.

I'm gonna have to send in a caregiver. I think my procrastination is about done.

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Looked up nitroglycerin - this is what happens when you overdose:

. Symptoms of a nitroglycerin overdose include a severe throbbing

headache, difficult or slow breathing, muscle cramps, nausea,

vomiting, diarrhea, fever, dizziness, fainting, an irregular or slow

heartbeat, changes in vision, confusion, flushing, and seizures.

So if you think your dad has been taking all of these, then he does

need medical attention. Of course, it is possible that the bottles

are just misplaced at his house. Sounds like it is also time for a

discussion with his doctor about alternative treatments. I know their

are nitro patches. But of course, he may not leave them on or may put

too many on. We went thru alheimers with my paternal grandmother, so

I understand the situation fully. It is difficult.

PatC/FL :)

> What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

>

> My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never got

them from me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

>

> My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

> If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

>

>

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If he is not complaining of any of the symptoms of an overdoes, I

think there is a good chance he has taken them too close together to

cause a problem. I'm not sure with nitro if you get cumulative

effects or not. I would have to research. I'm really a computer tech,

but used to do medical billing for a cardio practice & a group of ER

docs so I learned a lot a long the way. Plus I'm good at internet

searches .

The caretake decision is difficult. It took my grandfather months to

agree that he needed help with my grandmother. That was months and

months after she had forgotten how to walk, but still remembered that

she could walk. Does that make sense? The docs had no other

explanation for her inability to walk, except her alzheimers. Walking

is a learned ability and she lost the path in her brain that told her

how to walk. But she knew she could. So you couldn't leave her alone

or she would try to get out of the chair, the bed, etc. Turns out my

grandfather would tell her to stay in the chair and leave the house.

We didn't know this for a while, till he couldn't find a neighbor

home to help him get her off the floor and he had to call my dad to

drive across the county to help him. After several of these instances

he finally agreed to some help so that he could leave the house part

of the day. Though we did finally have to put her in a nursing home.

I have come to the conclusion that alzheimers is maybe the worst

disease to die from. For a long time my grandmotherh knew she was

losing her memory and it really bothered her.IT got easier at least

for her, when she no longer knew that her memory, etc was going.

Though it didn't get easier for the rest of it. I tried really hard

to be whoever she thought I was that day. To discuss the snowstorm we

had just had (in SW FL), the horseback ride I had just had (at 400+

lbs). The fact that she didn't think I was old enough to drive, when

I was over 40.

It is hard . Take it one day at a time. Make the decisions as

you are capable, or when you see that you have no other choice.

Sometimes that is the only way you can face making them. Treasure the

good days. Get good pictures and have good times while you still can.

Capture his memories of his life while you still can. My grandparents

never really would talk about their childhood, courtship, etc. Now I

wish I had that info for the family genealogy & history, but all the

grandparents are gone. Time for me to stop rambling.

PatC/FL :)

> > What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

> >

> > My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never

got

> them from me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

> >

> > My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

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> > Vitalady, Inc. T

> > www.vitalady.com

> >

> > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

> > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

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I really appreciate your support.

I joined an online AD group last spring this time, and was on for 60 days. It

was so disheartening that I simply could not face it any more. The progress of

this disease is utterly devastating. There is a tiny part of me that says a

fast heart attack would be much kinder than losing your abilities one by one,

while you watch.

I am an " only " , my kids pretend not to see the progression. If I take the car,

he'll prolly have me arrested. His doc is useless, think. Takes about 5 weeks

to get a return call. The AD doc.

VERY frustrating. My mom died 2000, and she was obviously covering a lot. I

took over meds right then, but am not there to put them in his face.

And yes, I heard that all the time. They forget they can't walk, get up and

break more bones. Repeat.

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If he is not complaining of any of the symptoms of an overdoes, I

think there is a good chance he has taken them too close together to

cause a problem. I'm not sure with nitro if you get cumulative

effects or not. I would have to research. I'm really a computer tech,

but used to do medical billing for a cardio practice & a group of ER

docs so I learned a lot a long the way. Plus I'm good at internet

searches .

The caretake decision is difficult. It took my grandfather months to

agree that he needed help with my grandmother. That was months and

months after she had forgotten how to walk, but still remembered that

she could walk. Does that make sense? The docs had no other

explanation for her inability to walk, except her alzheimers. Walking

is a learned ability and she lost the path in her brain that told her

how to walk. But she knew she could. So you couldn't leave her alone

or she would try to get out of the chair, the bed, etc. Turns out my

grandfather would tell her to stay in the chair and leave the house.

We didn't know this for a while, till he couldn't find a neighbor

home to help him get her off the floor and he had to call my dad to

drive across the county to help him. After several of these instances

he finally agreed to some help so that he could leave the house part

of the day. Though we did finally have to put her in a nursing home.

I have come to the conclusion that alzheimers is maybe the worst

disease to die from. For a long time my grandmotherh knew she was

losing her memory and it really bothered her.IT got easier at least

for her, when she no longer knew that her memory, etc was going.

Though it didn't get easier for the rest of it. I tried really hard

to be whoever she thought I was that day. To discuss the snowstorm we

had just had (in SW FL), the horseback ride I had just had (at 400+

lbs). The fact that she didn't think I was old enough to drive, when

I was over 40.

It is hard . Take it one day at a time. Make the decisions as

you are capable, or when you see that you have no other choice.

Sometimes that is the only way you can face making them. Treasure the

good days. Get good pictures and have good times while you still can.

Capture his memories of his life while you still can. My grandparents

never really would talk about their childhood, courtship, etc. Now I

wish I had that info for the family genealogy & history, but all the

grandparents are gone. Time for me to stop rambling.

PatC/FL :)

> > What happens if a person eats too many Nitro tabs?

> >

> > My dad is eating them like candy. Every week, swears he never

got

> them from me. Has gone through 5 bottles of 25 in in 5 weeks.

> >

> > My hair is standing on end. He has Alzheimer's

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

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> > Vitalady, Inc. T

> > www.vitalady.com

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More like a nitroglycerine overdose is NO BLOOD PRESSURE, NO CARDIAC OUTPUT.

One way to tell if nitro is even good, is to ask the person if they feel in

tingle under their tongue. If they don't, it doesn't matter how many they take,

they are not good.

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They are brand spanky new. I'm ordering them as fast as they let me. He was

keeping old ones around, but they're gone or we found 'em tossed. But that was

many months ago.

This is recent. BUT his rx ran out, so I requested a new one be called in to

his mail order. Then I can just " click " to refill him. BUT weekly?

Anyway, he sees his doc Tuesday. But with AD, one always gets the feeling that

the docs don't believe one. He'll say I don't give them to him, I'll say I do.

Oh man.

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More like a nitroglycerine overdose is NO BLOOD PRESSURE, NO CARDIAC OUTPUT.

One way to tell if nitro is even good, is to ask the person if they feel in

tingle under their tongue. If they don't, it doesn't matter how many they take,

they are not good.

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He's been taking them for 30 yrs, PRN. There has not been a problem with any

outward signs of low BP or such as you guys have all listed. No stumbling,

fainting, no indicators.

But the message I am clearly getting is that NOW is when I am going to have to

call in a caregiver. Scares me to death. All of it.

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Do you know how many he is taking at any given time? Is he taking a

handful at a time or is he taking one or two an hour? Is he showing

any symptoms that are unusual for him? What does his BP normally run?

Protocol allows us to administer nitro if the systolic BP is 100 or

more. On top of that, we normally only give up three doses if pain

hasn't subsided and they are spread out over 5 to 15 minutes apart.

Why and when was nitro prescribed? Is he supposed to take it only

when presented with chest pain or is he on it on a daily basis to

decrease the workload of his heart? I can tell you that nitro is

going to dilate every vein and artery throughout the body and as with

any medication it could cause adverse effects, some being serious.

Signs and symptoms that might appear would be dizziness, fainting,

headaches, shortness of breath leading to respiratory arrest,low BP,

bradycardia, heart palpitations, convulsions and others. I'm not

saying that all of these are going to occur, but there is a risk.

These particular symptoms would set off a red flag to me and would

most likely need medical intervention. I would definately talk to his

doctor about it and if you aren't comfortable with them, then I would

try talking him into changing doctors. I would not ignore this!

Lindy, Medic

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No sign that he gulps them all at once, or anything. He may be sticking with

the 1, 5 minutes, 1 5 minutes rule. What I worry about is that time is not a

reality for him mostly.

Yes, the AD has taken a huge step forward again. But then, my step-dtr found

all the Aricept he's not been taking. Sigh. He hides them. For later. In case

he needs them. But he doesn't need Aricept anyway, because there's nothing wrong

with his memory. And the doctor is totally wrong about his having AD. Just ask

him.

We see the PCP Tuesday. The neuro, well, he's good as far as dx & treatment, but

there is NOOOOOOOOO support at all.

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Nitro- tabs? Nitroglycerin? sublingual or what? is he having any of the side

effects of overdose? severe headaches, difficult or slowed breathing, slowed

or irreg heartbeat, vomitting- nausea, fever, dizziness, vision changes etc.

another in his case would be- does it seem that his alzheimers has gotten

worse- - confusion wise? this is another big tip off to an overdose.

the norm is no more than 3 tabs/ 15 mins

Good luck and let us know what you find out.

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Yes it is a horrible feeling when one has to make the decision to take over the

care of a parent. All your life you leaned towards them, and now they have

taken several steps backwards and rely on us.

My sister-in-law just went thru this agony with both parents. Her dad has AD,

and her mom, pretty likely also has it. She was starving herself to death down

to 68 lbs. Would lie about eating. They finally had a family meeting, as my

brother and sister-in-law had to go out of town and no one paid attention to

her mother why she was sleeping. Well we decided to let her sleep. Yeah they

almost let her sleep into a coma. So, now both parents are in extended living.

They are actually happier, and it takes the pressure off the family. No more

manipulation about meds and food. We call it the resort as that's what it looks

like. Better to do it now before they set the house on fire, or walk away into

traffic and no one misses them until some tragedy happens. , you can

only do so much. It's a horrible burden for families. And you are right, there

is crappy support out there. But, when you do find a good place, know that it's

the best decision for you, and your dad.............You have to make it, you

have to live with it. No one else does, and until they walk a mile in your

shoes, then heck with em. But, give yourself peace of mind.

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- I am so sorry that your dad is now at the point where you have to get

him a caregiver. But your piece of mind should be better knowing that the

caregiver is there. I am praying for you and your dad. Hang in there.

Jeanne in WI

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(((((((((((michelle)))))))))))) I sure do understand the pain and emotional

turmoil this causes. I went thru the same thing with my mom, but we were able to

keep her home longer cause my step-dad was there, but as he got older, he wasn't

able to care for her even with home health aides coming in every day for a

couple hours. Then mom started getting paranoid, we were all trying to kill her,

poison her, she wouldn't take her meds, she wouldn't eat, and she was a very

severe diabetic. Then she started saying that she was afraid of her husband, he

was hitting her. Usually when she got more confused and paranoid, she need

antibiotics for a UTI. This is very common with older people (first thing we

check with my patients when their behavior changes) But finally we took her to

the ER and told her doc she HAD to be placed. Even if my step-dad wasn't abusive

(and I really don't know the answer to that, he has always been so loving toward

her, but the strain of 24/7 caregiving is HUGE! and mom was difficult to say the

least) SHE believed it and was frightened. The guilt and emotional pain I went

thru having mom placed was horrible. Here I was, taking care of other peoples

parents for 24 years, and I couldn't keep mom at home. But truly it was for the

best. and there is only so much you can do! Please look into this for your sake

and your dad's. sometimes the most loving thing we can do for someone, hurts us.

Let me know if you just need to vent!

Phyllis

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Nitro- tabs? Nitroglycerin? sublingual or what? is he having any of the side

effects of overdose? severe headaches, difficult or slowed breathing, slowed

or irreg heartbeat, vomitting- nausea, fever, dizziness, vision changes etc.

another in his case would be- does it seem that his alzheimers has gotten

worse- - confusion wise? this is another big tip off to an overdose.

the norm is no more than 3 tabs/ 15 mins

Good luck and let us know what you find out.

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Oh ,

I don't know if you are aware but AD and Down Syndrome go hand in hand. So I

know a lot about the AD and what you are dealing with. So scary. You all are

in my prayers.

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Nitro- tabs? Nitroglycerin? sublingual or what? is he having any of the side

effects of overdose? severe headaches, difficult or slowed breathing, slowed

or irreg heartbeat, vomitting- nausea, fever, dizziness, vision changes

etc.

another in his case would be- does it seem that his alzheimers has gotten

worse- - confusion wise? this is another big tip off to an overdose.

the norm is no more than 3 tabs/ 15 mins

Good luck and let us know what you find out.

Lori

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No, but I can see the dependency of DS eventually matching the end stages of AD.

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Nitro- tabs? Nitroglycerin? sublingual or what? is he having any of the

side

effects of overdose? severe headaches, difficult or slowed breathing,

slowed

or irreg heartbeat, vomitting- nausea, fever, dizziness, vision changes

etc.

another in his case would be- does it seem that his alzheimers has gotten

worse- - confusion wise? this is another big tip off to an overdose.

the norm is no more than 3 tabs/ 15 mins

Good luck and let us know what you find out.

Lori

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Dear Mom,

::Big Hugs::

Sorry to read about your Dad/nitro/problems. Sounds like your idea to

have a home health care nurse check on him/medicate him is a great idea.

Does he live out of state/far away from you...?

Love,

Trace

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Actually no. I was talking biochemically. The same brain cell death occurs in

each as they are degenerative diseases. The Aricept is to slow the brain cell

death. takes Piracetam, a baby cousin to Aricept for the same thing. all

cells regenerate except brain cells. so we have to get them before they die

or become so dry they are useless.

Having DS my son is much more likely to develop early onset AD. BUT....... he

is the new generation, and the ones who will rock the world with the vitamin

therapy we do and the piracetam/aricept. No other generation has had the

benefit of these things, so prayerfully they will make a huge change for kids

like my son and others. :)

Hugs,

No, but I can see the dependency of DS eventually matching the end stages of

AD.

Thanks,

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