Re: Thyramine??? (tyramine)

[Guest guest]

>

Kathy:

Until you brought it up I had not heard of tyramine, so I did

a several hour search on the subject. After only a few articles

explaining what is was and how it worked in the body, I was

struck by one particular reference:

[ " Tyramine is a vaso-active amino acid found in foods. It

precipitates headaches in some sufferers. It is an intermediate

product in the conversion of tyrosine (an amino acid present in many

proteins) to epinephrine (an active hormone produced by the inner

portion of the adrenal gland). " ]

The word 'epinephrine' jumped out. This is the same chemical that

almost certainly triggers an AF attack for me...specifically when

it is in common cough or cold remedies. I have learned to avoid it

totally, either as straight epinephrine, norepinephrine or pseudo-

epinephrine which is the artificial form of the chemical.

This chemical raises BP and acts directly on the adrenal glands.

Simplistically it appears to be a direct counteraction to any

effects of taking a beta-blocker. In other words, you probably

found another 'trigger' for us AFers to avoid.

S.

> Just curious if anyone has ever heard of this as a trigger for

AFIB.

> It comes up on the web as such. It is apparently in a lot of

foods

> like smoked fish, yogurt and soy products.

>

> I have been having monthly episodes and I'm looking for the

trigger. I

> have already eliminated the obvious ones.

>

> My last episode was last Tuesday and I had had smoked salmon for

> dinner. I also eat yogurt on a daily basis.

>

> Just curious if anyone else has noticed this coorelation

>

>

> Thanks,

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your extra research. I did more as well. It's in a

lot of foods which I had already identified as triggers...like

chocolate and alcohol as well. I always thought those were due to

the caffiene and the alcohol. This makes a whole lot more sense!!!

:-)

i sure hope this additional " clue " helps me stay out of another

episode anytime soon,

Here is a list of foods I found which contain it:

HIGH TYRAMINE FOODS: Do NOT eat the following foods if you take MAO

inhibitor medicine.

BEVERAGES:

Ales and beers

Burgundy wine

Chianti wine

Sherry

Vermouth

BREADS & STARCHES

Breads made with aged cheeses and meats, or yeast extracts

Homemade or high yeast breads

DAIRY PRODUCTS:

Aged & processed cheeses, like cheddar, blue, and cheese spreads

You can eat the following cheeses: cream cheese, farmer's cheese,

cottage cheese, & ricotta cheese

FRUITS & VEGETABLES:

Banana peels

Fava bean pods

Italian or broad green beans

Kim chee (fermented cabbage)

Lentils

Lima beans

Sauerkraut

Spoiled or overly ripe fruits

MEAT & PROTEIN FOODS:

Aged, dried, cured meats

Dried or pickled fish

Meat jerky

Leftovers that may be partly fermented

Liver

Meat extracts

Salami or dry sausage

Salted, smoked, or pickled meat or fish

OTHER:

Brewer's yeast

Bouillon or broth with yeast

Commercial gravies

Crackers made with cheese

Homemade yeast breads

Marmite™ and other yeast spreads

Miso (fermented soybean paste) and soy sauce

Yeast extracts

MODERATE TYRAMINE FOODS: Eat or drink only 1/4 to 1/2 cup total of

the items on the following list each day if you take MAO inhibitor

medicine.

BEVERAGES:

Bouillon

Distilled liquor

Red, white, and port wines

BREADS & STARCHES:

Commercial breads without, or low in yeast

DAIRY PRODUCTS:

Cultured products such as buttermilk, sour cream, yogurt

Unpasteurized milk products

FRUITS & VEGETABLES:

Avocados

Chinese pea pods

Raspberries

Red plums

Spinach

MEATS & PROTEIN FOODS:

Fish roe and caviar

Meat pates

Peanuts

OTHER:

Coffee, tea, colas: only 2 cups total of these per day

Chocolate products: only 1 small serving per day

Monosodium glutamate (MSG)

Teriyaki sauce: only 2-4 Tbsp per day

> >

> Kathy:

>

> Until you brought it up I had not heard of tyramine, so I did

> a several hour search on the subject. After only a few articles

> explaining what is was and how it worked in the body, I was

> struck by one particular reference:

>

> [ " Tyramine is a vaso-active amino acid found in foods. It

> precipitates headaches in some sufferers. It is an intermediate

> product in the conversion of tyrosine (an amino acid present in

many

> proteins) to epinephrine (an active hormone produced by the inner

> portion of the adrenal gland). " ]

>

> The word 'epinephrine' jumped out. This is the same chemical that

> almost certainly triggers an AF attack for me...specifically when

> it is in common cough or cold remedies. I have learned to avoid it

> totally, either as straight epinephrine, norepinephrine or pseudo-

> epinephrine which is the artificial form of the chemical.

>

> This chemical raises BP and acts directly on the adrenal glands.

> Simplistically it appears to be a direct counteraction to any

> effects of taking a beta-blocker. In other words, you probably

> found another 'trigger' for us AFers to avoid.

>

> S.

>

> > Just curious if anyone has ever heard of this as a trigger for

> AFIB.

> > It comes up on the web as such. It is apparently in a lot of

> foods

> > like smoked fish, yogurt and soy products.

> >

> > I have been having monthly episodes and I'm looking for the

> trigger. I

> > have already eliminated the obvious ones.

> >

> > My last episode was last Tuesday and I had had smoked salmon for

> > dinner. I also eat yogurt on a daily basis.

> >

> > Just curious if anyone else has noticed this coorelation

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

>> S.

>

> > Just curious if anyone has ever heard of this as a trigger for

> AFIB.

> > SNIP

> >

> > My last episode was last Tuesday and I had had smoked salmon for

> > dinner. I also eat yogurt on a daily basis.

> >

> > Just curious if anyone else has noticed this coorelation

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kathy

here

Thyramine has been identified as a trigger by Hans Larsen on his

website " afibbers .com " for a numbrer of years.

I have a few concerns about it but i am not overly sensative to some

of the foods identified .

NSR 3 years whole food lifestyle no antiarrhythmics.

[Guest guest]

It looks like I'm going to have to cut back drastically on my

daily consumption of banana peels and spoiled fruit. Pretty soon,

all my favorite foods will be taboo. Darn!

Mike from Minnesota

>

> Thanks for your extra research. I did more as well. It's in

a

> lot of foods which I had already identified as triggers...like

> chocolate and alcohol as well. I always thought those were due to

> the caffiene and the alcohol. This makes a whole lot more sense!!!

> i sure hope this additional " clue " helps me stay out of another

> episode anytime soon,

>

> Here is a list of foods I found which contain it:

>

> HIGH TYRAMINE FOODS: Do NOT eat the following foods if you take MAO

> inhibitor medicine.

>

> FRUITS & VEGETABLES:

>

> Banana peels

>

> Spoiled or overly ripe fruits

[Guest guest]

I know there are some goofy things on the list....but there are also

a lot of things which have been identified as triggers already...like

alcohol, caffiene and chocolate. I don't have any of those

anymore. What is interesting is that yogurt and smoked fish are on

the list. I had both of these before last week's afib episode. It

was a bad episode...I needed a cardioversion to get out of it.

:-)

Kathy

> >

> > Thanks for your extra research. I did more as well. It's

in

> a

> > lot of foods which I had already identified as triggers...like

> > chocolate and alcohol as well. I always thought those were due

to

> > the caffiene and the alcohol. This makes a whole lot more

sense!!!

>

> > i sure hope this additional " clue " helps me stay out of another

> > episode anytime soon,

> >

> > Here is a list of foods I found which contain it:

> >

> > HIGH TYRAMINE FOODS: Do NOT eat the following foods if you take

MAO

> > inhibitor medicine.

> >

> > FRUITS & VEGETABLES:

> >

> > Banana peels

> >

> > Spoiled or overly ripe fruits

>

[Guest guest]

> I know there are some goofy things on the list....but there are also

> a lot of things which have been identified as triggers already...like

> alcohol, caffiene and chocolate. I don't have any of those

> anymore. What is interesting is that yogurt and smoked fish are on

> the list. I had both of these before last week's afib episode. It

> was a bad episode...I needed a cardioversion to get out of it.

>

> :-)

> Kathy

Hi Kathy, one of the hardest things to decipher with AF is how it is

triggered. Whilst I'm not saying the yogurt or fish didn't trigger your

episode it worth bearing in mind just because one thing happens before

another doesn't mean one thing causes the other. What makes it even

harder with AF is that many people report food and digestion as triggers

for AF. Figuring out if it's just a heart rate change caused by

digestion or if it has any connection with a specific food type is hard

and takes many repeatable events to be sure (and actively trying to

repeat an episode is something most of us are keen to avoid!). I spent a

good couple of years thinking pizza was a trigger for my AF only to

eventually discover that over filling my stomach with any food was a

problem and a small portion of anything (including a slice of pizza as

far as I can tell) has not caused me problems.

This is one tough nut to crack.

--

D (20 days of NSR since second ablation - something I've not

managed since August 2002)