Re: NREMT Computer Testing

[Guest guest]

But as a high paid lawyer type...isn't that but a drop in the bucket??? Oh

yeah...I forgot...you are getting into EMS...too much burnt orange must be

getting to your brain.

Dudley

TAMU Class of '92

Re: NREMT Computer Testing

I think it is a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

> Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's

> upcoming transition to computer-based testing

> (conducted by a private service) as opposed to the

> current written exams?

>

> While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it

> seems to me that now that Texas gave up its

> independence in testing to become a NR state, we are

> stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including higher

> costs.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Bullseye! The NR exams are valid. And the moon is made of green cheese.

And oil prices are the result of market forces without any influence from oil

companies. And Paramedics will be wearing diamonds big as horse apples soon

(or vice versa).

GG

> We have given up  many of our concessions that were originally talked

> about whenever the NR came in.  Then the old bait and switch thing

> happened. 

>

> Giving up decentralized paramedic skills testing by the educational

> institution and keeping the Texas ECA tests were a few.  Our program had

> to increase tuition in order to have a scheduled skills test for our

> students.  In order to be an ECA, one now must take the NR First

> Responder exam.  It seems there are a lot fewer ECAs around these days.

> I still do not believe that the NR test is a better testing mechanism.

> In fact,  the NR has never shown any educational testing and measure

> research concerning the validity of test failure by subscales. 

>

> Make no mistake - the NR still smiles like a Cheshire cat when they

> think of " getting " Texas.

>

> -MH 

>

> >>> ExLngHrn@... 5/11/2006 1:53 pm >>>

> Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's upcoming

> transition to computer-based testing (conducted by a private service) as

> opposed to the current written exams?

>

> While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it seems to me that now

> that Texas gave up its independence in testing to become a NR state, we

> are stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including higher costs.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What the educators need to do is rise up and smite the NREMT and drag it

kicking and screaming into the 21st Century where distance learning is a proven

method for learning.

I suggest that everybody on this list to EMAIL the NREMT and demand that it

change its policies regarding distance learning.

OOPS, I just went to their site, and there's no way to contact them by

email unless you write their webmaster at webmaster@.... Fancy that.

One would think that an organization that depends upon the fees paid by

thousands of medics across the country would have a way for them to contact it

by

email. Silly me. Well, gee. Let's just write the old webmaster and I'l

bet s/he can figure out how to get the messages to the top dawgs there.

Or, could it be..............COULD IT BE????..........that they DON'T WANT

you to be able to contact them easily?

Well, they have a snailmail address, a phone number, and a fax number at the

end of their webpage, so let's use those and let them know that we're mad as

hell that they don't recognize distance learning courses for more than a

limited number of hours and that we're not going to take it anymore.

And while you're at it, copy your friends at the Texas DSHS with the same

message.

Think they'll stand up and salute? If you do, then I've got some prime

beachfront property out in Shackelford County that I'd LOVE to sell you.

Who loves ya baby? NOBODY!

GG

> Very few places provide CEs for their personnel. This is another problem

> with our profession. 

>   

>   Since we are nationally registered in Texas only a very small portion of

> our CEs are available to be obtained by computer.  Most of the CEs must be

> obtained by formal classes. 

>   

>   I understand the problem. I believe the solution is for the available

> instructors in an area to get together and come up with a lesson plan for CEs,

> submit it to TDSHS (which can be done), and then go forth and teach.  But alas

> money is still the issue.  Who will pay for the instructors time?

>

> wegandy1938@... wrote:

>   Quinten:

>

> That's a knee slapper all right! Texas has NO money. When it gets done

> with the school funding fiasco there won't be anything left for anybody

> else.

> I suggest you find a good CE program and join it. BTW, why isn't your

> service providing you with the CE you need?

>

> Gene G.

>

> >

> > I

> >   Maybe

> > Texas can take the money it saves in test creation and provide some CE

> > training for EMS.

> >

> > Quinten

> > Firefighter/Paramedic

> >

> > NREMT Computer Testing

> >

> >

> > Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's upcoming transition

> to

> > computer-based testing (conducted by a private service) as opposed to the

> > current written exams?

> >

> > While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it seems to me that now

> that

> > Texas gave up its independence in testing to become a NR state, we are

> stuck

> > with whatever NREMT produces, including higher costs.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You can not be any more positive can you Gene.

Ed Walsh

Re: NREMT Computer Testing

> Bullseye! The NR exams are valid. And the moon is made of green

> cheese.

> And oil prices are the result of market forces without any influence from

> oil

> companies. And Paramedics will be wearing diamonds big as horse apples

> soon

> (or vice versa).

>

> GG

>

>

>

>> We have given up many of our concessions that were originally talked

>> about whenever the NR came in. Then the old bait and switch thing

>> happened.

>>

>> Giving up decentralized paramedic skills testing by the educational

>> institution and keeping the Texas ECA tests were a few. Our program had

>> to increase tuition in order to have a scheduled skills test for our

>> students. In order to be an ECA, one now must take the NR First

>> Responder exam. It seems there are a lot fewer ECAs around these days.

>> I still do not believe that the NR test is a better testing mechanism.

>> In fact, the NR has never shown any educational testing and measure

>> research concerning the validity of test failure by subscales.

>>

>> Make no mistake - the NR still smiles like a Cheshire cat when they

>> think of " getting " Texas.

>>

>> -MH

>>

>> >>> ExLngHrn@... 5/11/2006 1:53 pm >>>

>> Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's upcoming

>> transition to computer-based testing (conducted by a private service) as

>> opposed to the current written exams?

>>

>> While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it seems to me that now

>> that Texas gave up its independence in testing to become a NR state, we

>> are stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including higher costs.

>>

>> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

>> Austin, Texas

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Wes:

My apologies for the delay in answering your ?.

The increased costs are part of becoming more

up-to-date with the times. I remember when on-line CEs

became available. I thought it was expensive. However,

now that they have been around a few years, cost have

come down and obtaining my CEs this way is far cheaper

than going to conferences when you add the expenses of

gas, hotel, meals, and time.

Jon Beach, OPA-C, EMT-I

--- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

> Why? Do you like the increased costs as well?

>

> -Wes

>

> Re: NREMT Computer Testing

>

>

> I think it is a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> > Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on

> NREMT's

> > upcoming transition to computer-based testing

> > (conducted by a private service) as opposed to the

> > current written exams?

> >

> > While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it

> > seems to me that now that Texas gave up its

> > independence in testing to become a NR state, we

> are

> > stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including

> higher

> > costs.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Come on Dudley,

The state was not having serious problems, they simply chose to not

place writing test as a priority. In all the years that I have been in

EMS, I only heard one rumor, one rumor where they thought that the test

in Texas was compromised. The fact of the matter is that the state (TDH)

out sourced the test because funds were short and they used those funds

to fund jobs in TDH EMS other than the testing. Now were are screwed for

it. I certainly for one will not accept that we are better off with NR

and pat now one at TDH on the back for it.

Henry

THEDUDMAN@... wrote:

> So...the fact that almost all licensing tests in healthcare and many

> other arenas are being done like this...EMS should stay on paper and

> allow some folks who make low wages in Austin write the exams...based

> upon their feeling of what we should know instead of using commonly

> accepted practices to write tests...

>

> If I am not mistaken, the testing process through TDH was having

> serious issues and concerns before it went away...and, although we

> like this arguement for things like an EMS Commission and other neat

> ideas...but not this testing piece...more and more states are getting

> out of the testing and certification business...

>

> Does anybody remember the headlines from Colorado that made national

> news within the last 12 months about all those EMT's who had " passed "

> until it was determined that the test was compromised and there was no

> way of knowing who or how many had gotten through...that did so much

> for the confidence of the general public...but then again what do they

> matter???

>

> Dudley

>

> Re: NREMT Computer Testing

>

>

> Stinks, Sucks, Smells, Crap, Private Enterprise smells of money,

> ecttttt.......... Just another example where TDH sold us out instead

> of

> making test writing a priority. The same old we don't have enough

> help,

> money, time or whatever to get it done. They seem to have enough help

> to

> collect fees for nothing. We all know that NR works with you if a test

>

> is lost or you think it has been graded in error NOT!!!!!!!! So what

> would give anyone with even a little common sense the impression that

> when the internet screws up that NR will do anything but charge you

> again.

>

> Henry

>

>

> Henry

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> > Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's upcoming

> > transition to computer-based testing (conducted by a private

> service)

> > as opposed to the current written exams?

> >

> > While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it seems to me that

> now

> > that Texas gave up its independence in testing to become a NR state,

>

> > we are stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including higher costs.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

AMEN !!! BROTHER !!! TESTIFY !!

HENRY !!!!!

wegandy1938@... wrote:

> Bullseye! The NR exams are valid. And the moon is made of green

> cheese.

> And oil prices are the result of market forces without any influence

> from oil

> companies. And Paramedics will be wearing diamonds big as horse

> apples soon

> (or vice versa).

>

> GG

>

>

>

>

> > We have given up many of our concessions that were originally

> talked

> > about whenever the NR came in. Then the old bait and switch thing

> > happened.

> >

> > Giving up decentralized paramedic skills testing by the educational

> > institution and keeping the Texas ECA tests were a few. Our program

> had

> > to increase tuition in order to have a scheduled skills test for our

>

> > students. In order to be an ECA, one now must take the NR First

> > Responder exam. It seems there are a lot fewer ECAs around these

> days.

> > I still do not believe that the NR test is a better testing

> mechanism.

> > In fact, the NR has never shown any educational testing and measure

>

> > research concerning the validity of test failure by subscales.

> >

> > Make no mistake - the NR still smiles like a Cheshire cat when they

> > think of " getting " Texas.

> >

> > -MH

> >

> > >>> ExLngHrn@... 5/11/2006 1:53 pm >>>

> > Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's upcoming

> > transition to computer-based testing (conducted by a private

> service) as

> > opposed to the current written exams?

> >

> > While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it seems to me that

> now

> > that Texas gave up its independence in testing to become a NR state,

> we

> > are stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including higher costs.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Now one _______NO ONE_____

There thats better.

Henry

Henry wrote:

> Come on Dudley,

>

> The state was not having serious problems, they simply chose to not

> place writing test as a priority. In all the years that I have been in

>

> EMS, I only heard one rumor, one rumor where they thought that the

> test

> in Texas was compromised. The fact of the matter is that the state

> (TDH)

> out sourced the test because funds were short and they used those

> funds

> to fund jobs in TDH EMS other than the testing. Now were are screwed

> for

> it. I certainly for one will not accept that we are better off with NR

>

> and pat now one at TDH on the back for it.

>

> Henry

>

> THEDUDMAN@... wrote:

>

> > So...the fact that almost all licensing tests in healthcare and

> many

> > other arenas are being done like this...EMS should stay on paper and

>

> > allow some folks who make low wages in Austin write the

> exams...based

> > upon their feeling of what we should know instead of using commonly

> > accepted practices to write tests...

> >

> > If I am not mistaken, the testing process through TDH was having

> > serious issues and concerns before it went away...and, although we

> > like this arguement for things like an EMS Commission and other neat

>

> > ideas...but not this testing piece...more and more states are

> getting

> > out of the testing and certification business...

> >

> > Does anybody remember the headlines from Colorado that made national

>

> > news within the last 12 months about all those EMT's who had

> " passed "

> > until it was determined that the test was compromised and there was

> no

> > way of knowing who or how many had gotten through...that did so much

>

> > for the confidence of the general public...but then again what do

> they

> > matter???

> >

> > Dudley

> >

> > Re: NREMT Computer Testing

> >

> >

> > Stinks, Sucks, Smells, Crap, Private Enterprise smells of money,

> > ecttttt.......... Just another example where TDH sold us out instead

>

> > of

> > making test writing a priority. The same old we don't have enough

> > help,

> > money, time or whatever to get it done. They seem to have enough

> help

> > to

> > collect fees for nothing. We all know that NR works with you if a

> test

> >

> > is lost or you think it has been graded in error NOT!!!!!!!! So

> what

> > would give anyone with even a little common sense the impression

> that

> > when the internet screws up that NR will do anything but charge you

> > again.

> >

> > Henry

> >

> >

> > Henry

> >

> > ExLngHrn@... wrote:

> >

> > > Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's upcoming

> > > transition to computer-based testing (conducted by a private

> > service)

> > > as opposed to the current written exams?

> > >

> > > While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it seems to me that

>

> > now

> > > that Texas gave up its independence in testing to become a NR

> state,

> >

> > > we are stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including higher costs.

>

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I am an educator and I plan on preparing my students for the

computer version by making their exams computer based. I am at a

college and I can have the students go to the testing center all at

once and have the test password protected. The testing center staff

are the only ones who have the password. I will see how it works

out.

>

> Anyone here into Star Trek? All of a sudden, I'm picturing

Locutus of NREMT. " Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. "

>

> -Wes

>

> Re: NREMT Computer Testing

>

>

> We have given up many of our concessions that were originally

talked

> about whenever the NR came in. Then the old bait and switch thing

> happened.

>

> Giving up decentralized paramedic skills testing by the educational

> institution and keeping the Texas ECA tests were a few. Our

program had

> to increase tuition in order to have a scheduled skills test for

our

> students. In order to be an ECA, one now must take the NR First

> Responder exam. It seems there are a lot fewer ECAs around these

days.

> I still do not believe that the NR test is a better testing

mechanism.

> In fact, the NR has never shown any educational testing and

measure

> research concerning the validity of test failure by subscales.

>

> Make no mistake - the NR still smiles like a Cheshire cat when they

> think of " getting " Texas.

>

> -MH

>

> >>> ExLngHrn@... 5/11/2006 1:53 pm >>>

> Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on NREMT's upcoming

> transition to computer-based testing (conducted by a private

service) as

> opposed to the current written exams?

>

> While I like the rapid turnaround for grading, it seems to me that

now

> that Texas gave up its independence in testing to become a NR

state, we

> are stuck with whatever NREMT produces, including higher costs.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

>

>