Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 In a message dated 4/24/2006 16:29:15 Central Standard Time, btaylor@... writes: I received the following information from a relative with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Has anyone had any experience with these? It will be interesting to see what problems/challenges will be had in regard to abuse of the technique. I guess nebulizers are not a FDA regulated device. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Thought you might be interested in the newest fad and way to get drunk. It is called AWOL or Alcohol WithOut Liquid. It mixes vaporized alcohol with oxygen and is delivered straight to the brain through inhalation. The bad news for Law Enforcement is because the alcohol never enters the blood stream and dissipates very quickly in the the lungs, The level of intoxication cannot be determined by breath or blood tests! It purports not to cause hangovers in users. There is no other use for this device other than alcohol consumption. I would take a very close look at any minors found with this device. Also if DWI is suspected you're going to have to build your case purely on your observations of driving and the standardized field sobriety tests. Various Law Enforcement Agencys are running tests to see how users react to SFST and various testing devices. Check out the video at the website : _http://www.awolmachine.com/index.htm_ (http://www.awolmachine.com/index.htm) I'm curious, if the alcohol doesn't get into the blood stream, how does it get to the brain? Kirk EMT-B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 I received the following information from a relative with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Has anyone had any experience with these? It will be interesting to see what problems/challenges will be had in regard to abuse of the technique. I guess nebulizers are not a FDA regulated device. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Thought you might be interested in the newest fad and way to get drunk. It is called AWOL or Alcohol WithOut Liquid. It mixes vaporized alcohol with oxygen and is delivered straight to the brain through inhalation. The bad news for Law Enforcement is because the alcohol never enters the blood stream and dissipates very quickly in the the lungs, The level of intoxication cannot be determined by breath or blood tests! It purports not to cause hangovers in users. There is no other use for this device other than alcohol consumption. I would take a very close look at any minors found with this device. Also if DWI is suspected you're going to have to build your case purely on your observations of driving and the standardized field sobriety tests. Various Law Enforcement Agencys are running tests to see how users react to SFST and various testing devices. Check out the video at the website : http://www.awolmachine.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 I bet some teenager whose younger sibling has asthma “invented” this contraption. I am forwarding this to a friend of mine that is a personal injury attorney. Tater wrote: I received the following information from a relative with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Has anyone had any experience with these? It will be interesting to see what problems/challenges will be had in regard to abuse of the technique. I guess nebulizers are not a FDA regulated device. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Thought you might be interested in the newest fad and way to get drunk. It is called AWOL or Alcohol WithOut Liquid. It mixes vaporized alcohol with oxygen and is delivered straight to the brain through inhalation. The bad news for Law Enforcement is because the alcohol never enters the blood stream and dissipates very quickly in the the lungs, The level of intoxication cannot be determined by breath or blood tests! It purports not to cause hangovers in users. There is no other use for this device other than alcohol consumption. I would take a very close look at any minors found with this device. Also if DWI is suspected you're going to have to build your case purely on your observations of driving and the standardized field sobriety tests. Various Law Enforcement Agencys are running tests to see how users react to SFST and various testing devices. Check out the video at the website : http://www.awolmachine.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 If it does not enter the blood, how does it get to the brain? Is there some airway between the lungs and brain on Oklahoma residents? Re: AWOL alcohol machine I bet some teenager whose younger sibling has asthma " invented " this contraption. I am forwarding this to a friend of mine that is a personal injury attorney. Tater wrote: I received the following information from a relative with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Has anyone had any experience with these? It will be interesting to see what problems/challenges will be had in regard to abuse of the technique. I guess nebulizers are not a FDA regulated device. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Thought you might be interested in the newest fad and way to get drunk. It is called AWOL or Alcohol WithOut Liquid. It mixes vaporized alcohol with oxygen and is delivered straight to the brain through inhalation. The bad news for Law Enforcement is because the alcohol never enters the blood stream and dissipates very quickly in the the lungs, The level of intoxication cannot be determined by breath or blood tests! It purports not to cause hangovers in users. There is no other use for this device other than alcohol consumption. I would take a very close look at any minors found with this device. Also if DWI is suspected you're going to have to build your case purely on your observations of driving and the standardized field sobriety tests. Various Law Enforcement Agencys are running tests to see how users react to SFST and various testing devices. Check out the video at the website : http://www.awolmachine.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was more interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? Re: AWOL alcohol machine I bet some teenager whose younger sibling has asthma " invented " this contraption. I am forwarding this to a friend of mine that is a personal injury attorney. Tater wrote: I received the following information from a relative with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Has anyone had any experience with these? It will be interesting to see what problems/challenges will be had in regard to abuse of the technique. I guess nebulizers are not a FDA regulated device. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Thought you might be interested in the newest fad and way to get drunk. It is called AWOL or Alcohol WithOut Liquid. It mixes vaporized alcohol with oxygen and is delivered straight to the brain through inhalation. The bad news for Law Enforcement is because the alcohol never enters the blood stream and dissipates very quickly in the the lungs, The level of intoxication cannot be determined by breath or blood tests! It purports not to cause hangovers in users. There is no other use for this device other than alcohol consumption. I would take a very close look at any minors found with this device. Also if DWI is suspected you're going to have to build your case purely on your observations of driving and the standardized field sobriety tests. Various Law Enforcement Agencys are running tests to see how users react to SFST and various testing devices. Check out the video at the website : http://www.awolmachine.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 I'm curious what sort of regulatory approval is needed for this item? A permit from the FDA? TABC? -Wes Ogilvie Re: AWOL alcohol machine I bet some teenager whose younger sibling has asthma " invented " this contraption. I am forwarding this to a friend of mine that is a personal injury attorney. Tater wrote: I received the following information from a relative with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Has anyone had any experience with these? It will be interesting to see what problems/challenges will be had in regard to abuse of the technique. I guess nebulizers are not a FDA regulated device. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Thought you might be interested in the newest fad and way to get drunk. It is called AWOL or Alcohol WithOut Liquid. It mixes vaporized alcohol with oxygen and is delivered straight to the brain through inhalation. The bad news for Law Enforcement is because the alcohol never enters the blood stream and dissipates very quickly in the the lungs, The level of intoxication cannot be determined by breath or blood tests! It purports not to cause hangovers in users. There is no other use for this device other than alcohol consumption. I would take a very close look at any minors found with this device. Also if DWI is suspected you're going to have to build your case purely on your observations of driving and the standardized field sobriety tests. Various Law Enforcement Agencys are running tests to see how users react to SFST and various testing devices. Check out the video at the website : http://www.awolmachine.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Gee, you haven't been to EMS conference in a while, have you? Mike > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was more > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 In a message dated 26-Apr-06 08:45:04 Central Daylight Time, csuprun@... writes: If I remember correctly, nebulized vodka was one of the treatments for patients who attempted suicide via drinking anti-freeze. I don't remember exactly where I heard this....docs, correct, close? only if you can't find the old Ethanol 10% in D5W around... the liver enzyme Alcohol Dehydrogenase is something on the order of 50x as avid for ethanol as it is for ethylene glycol and 10x as avid for methanol... so a blood alcohol of .15-.20 mg/dl is decent protection against the toxic effects of either of those two poisons. ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 There is a big trend in Iceland where people go into saunas and pour vodka in the steam pit and get wasted by inhaling the ETOH fumes. I guess with no sunlight for 6 months out of the year, you've got to find ways to keep your spirits up. -MH >>> paramedicop@... 4/25/2006 12:26 pm >>> Gee, you haven't been to EMS conference in a while, have you? Mike > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was more > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Sounds like my next vacation should be in Iceland!! Re: AWOL alcohol machine There is a big trend in Iceland where people go into saunas and pour vodka in the steam pit and get wasted by inhaling the ETOH fumes. I guess with no sunlight for 6 months out of the year, you've got to find ways to keep your spirits up. -MH >>> paramedicop@... 4/25/2006 12:26 pm >>> Gee, you haven't been to EMS conference in a while, have you? Mike > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was more > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Sounds like my next vacation should be in Iceland!! Re: AWOL alcohol machine There is a big trend in Iceland where people go into saunas and pour vodka in the steam pit and get wasted by inhaling the ETOH fumes. I guess with no sunlight for 6 months out of the year, you've got to find ways to keep your spirits up. -MH >>> paramedicop@... 4/25/2006 12:26 pm >>> Gee, you haven't been to EMS conference in a while, have you? Mike > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was more > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 If I remember correctly, nebulized vodka was one of the treatments for patients who attempted suicide via drinking anti-freeze. I don't remember exactly where I heard this....docs, correct, close? Re: AWOL alcohol machine There is a big trend in Iceland where people go into saunas and pour vodka in the steam pit and get wasted by inhaling the ETOH fumes. I guess with no sunlight for 6 months out of the year, you've got to find ways to keep your spirits up. -MH >>> paramedicop@... 4/25/2006 12:26 pm >>> Gee, you haven't been to EMS conference in a while, have you? Mike > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was more > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Any chance we could have the next conference there? Or maybe EMStock 2007? Hudson wrote: There is a big trend in Iceland where people go into saunas and pour vodka in the steam pit and get wasted by inhaling the ETOH fumes. I guess with no sunlight for 6 months out of the year, you've got to find ways to keep your spirits up. -MH >>> paramedicop@... 4/25/2006 12:26 pm >>> Gee, you haven't been to EMS conference in a while, have you? Mike > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was more > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 W. C. Fields said it's always good to have a bottle of whiskey handy in case of snakebite, and to always carry a small snake in your pocket. Hic. Where's my anti-freeze jug? GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I have a 21Y/O and 18Y/o daughters and we live in the KC area. I ask them if they had seen these things and one went to a freinds and picked one up for me to look at. So they are in Missouri; Like the Ok LEO (cop) said these things are going to make all of are jobs alot harder. Have great day. Mike B. Misouri > > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was > more > > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 ............but how well did it work? LOL oldmedic43 wrote: I have a 21Y/O and 18Y/o daughters and we live in the KC area. I ask them if they had seen these things and one went to a freinds and picked one up for me to look at. So they are in Missouri; Like the Ok LEO (cop) said these things are going to make all of are jobs alot harder. Have great day. Mike B. Misouri > > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was > more > > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their area. > > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be before > > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this purpose? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Why would it make our jobs harder? It's just alcohol - people abuse alcohol all the time. Nothing this machine is doing is making it any harder, just different. Mike > > I have a 21Y/O and 18Y/o daughters and we live in the KC area. I ask > them if they had seen these things and one went to a freinds and > picked one up for me to look at. So they are in Missouri; Like the > Ok LEO (cop) said these things are going to make all of are jobs > alot harder. Have great day. > > Mike B. > Misouri > > > > > > > > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > > > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was > > more > > > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their > area. > > > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be > before > > > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Ok, I gotta agree with Mike. How would this make our jobs harder? If you inhale alchol its still inthe blood. You breath out its still on the breath. Its still detectable by the breathalizer. So what's the big deal. They found a better way to poison themsleves. So what. Just treat and street or arrest and lock up. What ever needs to be done. Nothing different. Tom Mike wrote: Why would it make our jobs harder? It's just alcohol - people abuse alcohol all the time. Nothing this machine is doing is making it any harder, just different. Mike > > I have a 21Y/O and 18Y/o daughters and we live in the KC area. I ask > them if they had seen these things and one went to a freinds and > picked one up for me to look at. So they are in Missouri; Like the > Ok LEO (cop) said these things are going to make all of are jobs > alot harder. Have great day. > > Mike B. > Misouri > > > > > > > > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > > > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was > > more > > > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their > area. > > > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be > before > > > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 OK I quess I was looking at it from what the OK guy said, but Tom and mIke are correct. My only concern would be that some youg kid with astma goes sucking on this thing and causes the resp problems. I am not saying it would but it could. And I agree with the treat em street em and lock em up Have a great Day Mike B Tom wrote: Ok, I gotta agree with Mike. How would this make our jobs harder? If you inhale alchol its still inthe blood. You breath out its still on the breath. Its still detectable by the breathalizer. So what's the big deal. They found a better way to poison themsleves. So what. Just treat and street or arrest and lock up. What ever needs to be done. Nothing different. Tom Mike wrote: Why would it make our jobs harder? It's just alcohol - people abuse alcohol all the time. Nothing this machine is doing is making it any harder, just different. Mike > > I have a 21Y/O and 18Y/o daughters and we live in the KC area. I ask > them if they had seen these things and one went to a freinds and > picked one up for me to look at. So they are in Missouri; Like the > Ok LEO (cop) said these things are going to make all of are jobs > alot harder. Have great day. > > Mike B. > Misouri > > > > > > > > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > > > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was > > more > > > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their > area. > > > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be > before > > > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 If anyone want to see what an AWOL looks likes and how it works, you can find more info on the following sites. www.awolmachine.com www.awolusa.com Myron Schmiedekamp EMT mike bail wrote: OK I quess I was looking at it from what the OK guy said, but Tom and mIke are correct. My only concern would be that some youg kid with astma goes sucking on this thing and causes the resp problems. I am not saying it would but it could. And I agree with the treat em street em and lock em up Have a great Day Mike B Tom wrote: Ok, I gotta agree with Mike. How would this make our jobs harder? If you inhale alchol its still inthe blood. You breath out its still on the breath. Its still detectable by the breathalizer. So what's the big deal. They found a better way to poison themsleves. So what. Just treat and street or arrest and lock up. What ever needs to be done. Nothing different. Tom Mike wrote: Why would it make our jobs harder? It's just alcohol - people abuse alcohol all the time. Nothing this machine is doing is making it any harder, just different. Mike > > I have a 21Y/O and 18Y/o daughters and we live in the KC area. I ask > them if they had seen these things and one went to a freinds and > picked one up for me to look at. So they are in Missouri; Like the > Ok LEO (cop) said these things are going to make all of are jobs > alot harder. Have great day. > > Mike B. > Misouri > > > > > > > > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > > > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was > > more > > > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their > area. > > > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be > before > > > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 This piece of junk costs $315 plus tax. Don't know how many little Suzies and ies can afford that. That buys a lot of Lite. GG In a message dated 4/29/06 19:03:04 Central Daylight Time, myron53@... writes: > Subj:Re: Re: AWOL alcohol machine > Date:4/29/06 19:03:04 Central Daylight Time > From:myron53@... > Reply-to:texasems-l > To:texasems-l > Sent from the Internet > > > > If anyone want to see what an AWOL looks likes and how it works, you can > find more info on the following sites. www.awolmachine.com > www.awolusa.com > > Myron Schmiedekamp EMT > > mike bail wrote: > OK I quess I was looking at it from what the OK guy said, but Tom and mIke > are correct. My only concern would be that some youg kid with astma goes > sucking on this thing and causes the resp problems. I am not saying it would but > it could. And I agree with the treat em street em and lock em up > > Have a great Day > > Mike B > > Tom wrote: > Ok, > > I gotta agree with Mike. How would this make our jobs harder? If you > inhale alchol its still inthe blood. You breath out its still on the breath. > Its still detectable by the breathalizer. So what's the big deal. They found > a better way to poison themsleves. So what. Just treat and street or arrest > and lock up. What ever needs to be done. Nothing different. > > Tom > > Mike wrote: > Why would it make our jobs harder? It's just alcohol - people abuse > alcohol all the time. Nothing this machine is doing is making it any > harder, just different. > > Mike > > > > > > I have a 21Y/O and 18Y/o daughters and we live in the KC area. I ask > > them if they had seen these things and one went to a freinds and > > picked one up for me to look at. So they are in Missouri; Like the > > Ok LEO (cop) said these things are going to make all of are jobs > > alot harder. Have great day. > > > > Mike B. > > Misouri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree that The OHP A & P courses have failed to make the > > > > connection between the respiratory and circulatory system, I was > > > more > > > > interested if anyone has seen or heard of this device in their > > area. > > > > Although teens may not be able to buy it, how long will it be > > before > > > > grandma's or little brother's nebulizer modified for this > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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