Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 In a message dated 31-Dec-07 11:05:36 Central Standard Time, bbledsoe@... writes: Over the last few months I have looked at probably 20-30 photos of wrecked ambulances for the next edition of my paramedic book. In the photos Kenny referenced notice how the box came apart. That was what I saw in several of the other photos I looked out. Why are ambulance manufacturers not following automotive industry standards in regard to construction and safety? I would rather see them use the school bus standards to build our ambos... where the box itself is designed to break away from the chassis and remain intact, for example. Most buses (of both types) are now Diesel powered, so fire is a much lower risk than previous, but some crashworthy protection (at least a spaced shield around the tank) would be nice. ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 As we approach New Year's Eve I wanted to share an e-mail I received from a young lady I encountered recently. I hope as you all read this e-mail you will think about what happened to her and her partner. To those of you on duty please be safe tonight and always. Happy " SAFE " New Year, Maxie Bishop, RN, LP State EMS Director Division for Regulatory Services Texas Department of State Health Services Phone: 512/834-6737 Fax: 512/834-6736 e-mail: maxie.bishop@... From: tammy burkhart Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:19 PM To: Bishop, Maxie Subject: Thanks Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us out. I have recently returned back to school and working on my paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We are lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 And to answer the question whether they were wearing seatbelts or not....yes they were according to this article: http://www.springfieldky.com/z_2006-07-05/front/story_1.asp ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Bishop, Maxie Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:06 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Please Be safe As we approach New Year's Eve I wanted to share an e-mail I received from a young lady I encountered recently. I hope as you all read this e-mail you will think about what happened to her and her partner. To those of you on duty please be safe tonight and always. Happy " SAFE " New Year, Maxie Bishop, RN, LP State EMS Director Division for Regulatory Services Texas Department of State Health Services Phone: 512/834-6737 Fax: 512/834-6736 e-mail: maxie.bishop@... <mailto:maxie.bishop%40dshs.state.tx.us> From: tammy burkhart [mailto:tlb5497@... <mailto:tlb5497%40yahoo.com> ] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:19 PM To: Bishop, Maxie Subject: Thanks Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us out. I have recently returned back to school and working on my paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We are lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Over the last few months I have looked at probably 20-30 photos of wrecked ambulances for the next edition of my paramedic book. In the photos Kenny referenced notice how the box came apart. That was what I saw in several of the other photos I looked out. Why are ambulance manufacturers not following automotive industry standards in regard to construction and safety? From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Shaw, Kenny Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:40 AM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: Please Be safe And to answer the question whether they were wearing seatbelts or not....yes they were according to this article: http://www.springfieldky.com/z_2006-07-05/front/story_1.asp ________________________________ From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Bishop, Maxie Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:06 AM To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Please Be safe As we approach New Year's Eve I wanted to share an e-mail I received from a young lady I encountered recently. I hope as you all read this e-mail you will think about what happened to her and her partner. To those of you on duty please be safe tonight and always. Happy " SAFE " New Year, Maxie Bishop, RN, LP State EMS Director Division for Regulatory Services Texas Department of State Health Services Phone: 512/834-6737 Fax: 512/834-6736 e-mail: maxie.bishop@... <mailto:maxie.bishop%40dshs.state.tx.us> <mailto:maxie.bishop%40dshs.state.tx.us> From: tammy burkhart [mailto:tlb5497@... <mailto:tlb5497%40yahoo.com> <mailto:tlb5497%40yahoo.com> ] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:19 PM To: Bishop, Maxie Subject: Thanks Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us out. I have recently returned back to school and working on my paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We are lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I noticed how the unit disintegrated was just curious of to who the manufacturer of this unit was. Debbie Thanks Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us out. I have recently returned back to school and working on my paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We are lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 The only skill that we use on 100% of EMS responses is that of driving. Be it an ambulance, First Responder rig, POV or any mix of the above and yet we seem to skimp on that part of the training of our folks. While I have no way of knowing if a better trained EMS Driver would have prevented or in someway mitigated this incident that Maxie references I must say that the only thing we can do is train better EMS Drivers since we can't train the CIV's and as for the construction of the box and the like I agree more stringent evidence based requirements are needed. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I saw a Type II get hit broadside by a dump truck and it held up better than that box. So many services have trouble paying for their rigs, that I think that in order to cut costs they skimp on the strength of the box by using cheaper materials. I've always wondered why we build a rolling fortress to protect our money, but we make a plywood doll house to transport patients in. -Nate Just another paramedic from Texas... > > Over the last few months I have looked at probably 20-30 photos of wrecked > ambulances for the next edition of my paramedic book. In the photos Kenny > referenced notice how the box came apart. That was what I saw in several of > the other photos I looked out. Why are ambulance manufacturers not > following automotive industry standards in regard to construction and > safety? > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Shaw, Kenny > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:40 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: RE: Please Be safe > > > > And to answer the question whether they were wearing seatbelts or > not....yes they were according to this article: > > http://www.springfieldky.com/z_2006-07-05/front/story_1.asp > > ________________________________ > > From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On > Behalf Of Bishop, Maxie > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:06 AM > To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Please Be safe > > As we approach New Year's Eve I wanted to share an e-mail I received > from a young lady I encountered recently. I hope as you all read this > e-mail you will think about what happened to her and her partner. To > those of you on duty please be safe tonight and always. > > Happy " SAFE " New Year, > > Maxie Bishop, RN, LP > > State EMS Director > > Division for Regulatory Services > > Texas Department of State Health Services > > Phone: 512/834-6737 > > Fax: 512/834-6736 > > e-mail: maxie.bishop@... > <mailto:maxie.bishop%40dshs.state.tx.us> > <mailto:maxie.bishop%40dshs.state.tx.us> > > From: tammy burkhart [mailto:tlb5497@... <mailto:tlb5497%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tlb5497%40yahoo.com> ] > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:19 PM > To: Bishop, Maxie > Subject: Thanks > > Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. > in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on > 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We > were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were > hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We > went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we > flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we > knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get > out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several > people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to > proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story > short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other > vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on > the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, > tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken > pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side > of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the > back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and > a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. > > We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My > partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and > I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died > four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. > It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you > know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us > out. > > I have recently returned back to school and working on my > paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about > ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in > this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be > more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We > are lucky to be alive. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 We read about injury and death of EMS personnel from motor vehicle collisions almost weekly. This must stop. And it's not just EMS people who are dying from MVCs. Baltimore FD recently had an incident in which there were multiple fatalities from an intersection collision involving a fire engine. From all reports it seems clear that the fire engine's driver was a fault. Folks, your lights and siren do nothing except enable you to " ask " for the right of way. They are nothing but attention getters. Nothing in medical literature shows that the time saved in " blowing through an intersection " against the red light does anything to improve patient outcomes. So if you do that and have an accident, you're toast, legally. Just don't do it. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > As we approach New Year's Eve I wanted to share an e-mail I received > from a young lady I encountered recently. I hope as you all read this > e-mail you will think about what happened to her and her partner. To > those of you on duty please be safe tonight and always. > > Happy " SAFE " New Year, > > Maxie Bishop, RN, LP > > State EMS Director > > Division for Regulatory Services > > Texas Department of State Health Services > > Phone: 512/834-6737 > > Fax: 512/834-6736 > > e-mail: maxie.bishop@... > > From: tammy burkhart > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:19 PM > To: Bishop, Maxie > Subject: Thanks > > Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. > in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on > 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We > were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were > hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We > went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we > flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we > knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get > out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several > people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to > proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story > short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other > vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on > the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, > tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken > pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side > of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the > back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and > a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. > > We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My > partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and > I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died > four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. > It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you > know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us > out. > > I have recently returned back to school and working on my > paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about > ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in > this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be > more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We > are lucky to be alive. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Dr. B, You made a great segue...it is because they do not have to.? The Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards exempts all portions of vehicles more than 60cm (yes...2 feet) behind the driver's seat.? Pretty much exempts the entire rear of the vehicle.? I have some pictures I use in my driving lectures that show a ton of this mess.? The " catch nets " at the end of the squad bench...interesting to see how they fail almost immediately when the 180lb. crash test dummy hits them.? The arm rest at the end of the squadbench, have pictures of it being ripped out of the squadbench (secured with 2 self-tapping wood screws) but it lasted long enough to completely lacerate the spinal column of the poor EMT who struck it at 26 MPH!!! The fact of the matter is, none of us know how to design vehicles, the ones we are all driving around in have VERY little if any thought given to occupant safety and I would be shocked if anyone had actually crash tested any of their vehicles.? They put weight on them, load them up, etc...but they don't crash test them...because that costs money...and there is no requirement to do so. This truck is horrific.? Kenny said it, they were wearing their seatbelts (thankfully) and they were hit by a car running a red light...so even with all the best training and skill, it can still happen to us...we should all be thankful that there was no one in the back of the truck...their name would have been on a plaque in Virginia if they had been.? Please be safe out there...wear your seatbelts (EVEN IN THE BACK) and say your prayers when the tones go off that you can respond and return safely... Dudley Thanks Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us out. I have recently returned back to school and working on my paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We are lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 What brand of truck would you like to see pictures of? Dudley Thanks Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us out. I have recently returned back to school and working on my paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We are lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Think again Nate... There is not a manufacturer out there that would allow anyone ordering their truck to dictate how the box is built or constructed.? Materials, welds, engineering...is all theirs (and many hold it very closely to the vest)...and no one can dictate to cut corners there, because these pictures show why.? If the owner of this truck had said, " leave out every other beam, only weld every 24 " instead of 12 " ...and the manufacturer had said " okay " ...then the manufacturer would be writing a very big check to these folks (may already have anyway) because they allowed some Yokel to tell their engineering folks how to build a truck...not gonna happen anymore than you telling Chevy to leave out every 3rd bolt on the new suburban you want because you need to cut corners... BUT, this does explain your first point.? The reason the Type II held up better...BECAUSE ALL BUT A FIBERGLASS ROOF is OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer).? Ford (or now Chevy) built that ENTIRE vehicle as a passenger vehicle...it came down the same assembly line as the econoline van being used by the 1st Baptist Church...and with all the issues with those big vans recently, they are safer than ever...and honestly, probably safer for the occupants in the rear than a Type I or III...although I have no proof to back that up. BTW, the rolling fortress is to protect the people sitting on the money from bad-guys wanting to take it away...not because we don't want the money damaged...PLUS, that money has never complained about the ride it gets on the way to the bank. Dudley Thanks > > Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. > in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on > 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We > were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were > hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We > went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we > flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we > knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get > out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several > people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to > proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story > short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other > vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on > the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, > tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken > pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side > of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the > back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and > a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. > > We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My > partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and > I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died > four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. > It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you > know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us > out. > > I have recently returned back to school and working on my > paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about > ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in > this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be > more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We > are lucky to be alive. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I haven't seen many ambulance wrecks, but it seems to me that the box type ambulances tend to flatten out when their corners strike a hard surface. Think of it as a cardboard box... What happens when you push on one of the corner edges? It folds over, just like the box in this picture did. I'm no engineer, but it seems to me this is a major design flaw. I don't care for working in Type IIs any more than the next man, but I also want to know I stand some chance of surviving a wreck if I'm in the back with a patient. Joe Percer, LP > Think again Nate... > > There is not a manufacturer out there that would allow anyone ordering > their truck to dictate how the box is built or constructed.? Materials, > welds, engineering...is all theirs (and many hold it very closely to the > vest)...and no one can dictate to cut corners there, because these pictures > show why.? If the owner of this truck had said, " leave out every other beam, > only weld every 24 " instead of 12 " ...and the manufacturer had said > " okay " ...then the manufacturer would be writing a very big check to these > folks (may already have anyway) because they allowed some Yokel to tell > their engineering folks how to build a truck...not gonna happen anymore than > you telling Chevy to leave out every 3rd bolt on the new suburban you want > because you need to cut corners... > > BUT, this does explain your first point.? The reason the Type II held up > better...BECAUSE ALL BUT A FIBERGLASS ROOF is OEM (Original Equipment > Manufacturer).? Ford (or now Chevy) built that ENTIRE vehicle as a passenger > vehicle...it came down the same assembly line as the econoline van being > used by the 1st Baptist Church...and with all the issues with those big vans > recently, they are safer than ever...and honestly, probably safer for the > occupants in the rear than a Type I or III...although I have no proof to > back that up. > > BTW, the rolling fortress is to protect the people sitting on the money > from bad-guys wanting to take it away...not because we don't want the money > damaged...PLUS, that money has never complained about the ride it gets on > the way to the bank. > > Dudley > > > Thanks > > > > Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. > > in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on > > 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We > > were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were > > hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We > > went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we > > flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we > > knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get > > out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several > > people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to > > proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story > > short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other > > vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on > > the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, > > tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken > > pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side > > of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the > > back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and > > a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. > > > > We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My > > partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and > > I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died > > four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. > > It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you > > know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us > > out. > > > > I have recently returned back to school and working on my > > paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about > > ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in > > this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be > > more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We > > are lucky to be alive. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 We have Frazer boxes and they have been through 2 accidents. The truck was totaled and we put the box on another truck. No damage. Both times the box ended up better that the vehicle itself. For what its worth. Andy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Hi Dudley: I am glad you wrote about ambulance safety.I was involved in a rollover accident when my partner and I walked away with bumps and bruises because of seat belts. I have received EVOC training and it has helped. I think it is something we need to work on. We also need policy that stresses safety. When accidents happen they are tragic as recently happened in Cisco,Texas. We also need more stringent construction standards too. Enough said rabbiems Thanks Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us out. I have recently returned back to school and working on my paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We are lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Anyone know who teaches EVOC in the San area? > > Hi Dudley: > I am glad you wrote about ambulance safety.I was involved in a rollover accident when my partner and I walked away with bumps and bruises because of seat belts. I have received EVOC training and it has helped. I think it is something we need to work on. We also need policy that stresses safety. When accidents happen they are tragic as recently happened in Cisco,Texas. We also need more stringent construction standards too. Enough said rabbiems > > Thanks > > Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. > in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on > 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We > were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were > hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We > went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we > flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we > knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get > out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several > people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to > proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story > short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other > vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on > the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, > tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken > pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side > of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the > back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and > a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. > > We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My > partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and > I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died > four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. > It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you > know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us > out. > > I have recently returned back to school and working on my > paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about > ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in > this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be > more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We > are lucky to be alive. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I was referring to the manufacturer cutting costs in their design process on their own, not the customer calling up the company and telling them to cut costs. Type II's while smaller, do hold up better (at least in every witnessed and picture of an accident I've seen), and I do agree with your thoughts on why that it is. -Nate Just another paramedic from Texas... > > > > Over the last few months I have looked at probably 20-30 photos of > wrecked > > ambulances for the next edition of my paramedic book. In the photos > Kenny > > referenced notice how the box came apart. That was what I saw in > several of > > the other photos I looked out. Why are ambulance manufacturers not > > following automotive industry standards in regard to construction and > > safety? > > > > > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > > Behalf Of Shaw, Kenny > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:40 AM > > To: texasems-l > > Subject: RE: Please Be safe > > > > > > > > And to answer the question whether they were wearing seatbelts or > > not....yes they were according to this article: > > > > http://www.springfieldky.com/z_2006-07-05/front/story_1.asp > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:texasems-l > <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On > > Behalf Of Bishop, Maxie > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:06 AM > > To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Please Be safe > > > > As we approach New Year's Eve I wanted to share an e-mail I received > > from a young lady I encountered recently. I hope as you all read this > > e-mail you will think about what happened to her and her partner. To > > those of you on duty please be safe tonight and always. > > > > Happy " SAFE " New Year, > > > > Maxie Bishop, RN, LP > > > > State EMS Director > > > > Division for Regulatory Services > > > > Texas Department of State Health Services > > > > Phone: 512/834-6737 > > > > Fax: 512/834-6736 > > > > e-mail: maxie.bishop@ > > <mailto:maxie.bishop%40dshs.state.tx.us> > > <mailto:maxie.bishop%40dshs.state.tx.us> > > > > From: tammy burkhart [mailto:tlb5497@ <mailto:tlb5497%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:tlb5497%40yahoo.com> ] > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:19 PM > > To: Bishop, Maxie > > Subject: Thanks > > > > Hello my name is Tammy Burkhart and I work for Washington County E.M.S. > > in Springfield Kentucky. I was involved in an ambulance accident on > > 6-82-06. A 19 y/o T-boned our ambulance and we flipped several times. We > > were responding to a Code 500 (unresponsive not breathing) when were > > hit. Our other truck was on scene 1st and we were going to assist. We > > went through the intersection and then we were hit. As I said before we > > flipper several times before we stopped. When we did stop flipping we > > knew that the person that hit us was hurt bad. We tried and tried to get > > out but we was trapped and noticed that our bus was on fire. Several > > people stopped and helped put out the fire. The other unit had to > > proceed on to the hospital with the other patient. To make a long story > > short, we all had to extricated out of our ambulance and the other > > vehicle. My partner had a broken tibia, humerus, and collar bone. I on > > the other hand had more severe injuries. I had a fractured femur, > > tib-fib, ankle, foot and hip on the right side. On the left side broken > > pelvis, ankle, and foot. I also had a large laceration to the right side > > of my face that started at the corner of my right eye and went to the > > back of my neck. Very very close to my jugular. It cut three nerves and > > a muscle and I don't have any feeling on the right side of my face. > > > > We have had multiple surgeries and are almost back to normal. My > > partner got to return to work this year around the last of September and > > I get to return the first of the year. The young man that hit us died > > four days later at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. > > It has been really hard for my partner and I through all this but as you > > know people in the E.M.S. field stick by each other and has helped us > > out. > > > > I have recently returned back to school and working on my > > paramedic. I have also thought about going around and teaching about > > ambulance safety. Because it doesn't matter how long you have been in > > this field it can still happen to any of us. I just want people to be > > more aware of their surroundings and how they operate an ambulance. We > > are lucky to be alive. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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