City of Marfa is hiring medics

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Marfa City/County EMS

Marfa, Texas

Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for employment. Our

community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a large

portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

year.

Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS system with a

6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000 life

Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement pay,

time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and internet

continuing education.

Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate 7.50/hr., and

Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and sick

leave.

Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

drug-free

Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

Marfa City/County EMS

Jessie Peña, Paramedic

Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

P O Box 787

Marfa, TX 79843

office

fax

marfaems@...

[Guest guest]

-Sorry guys, just couldn't let this go.

While I realize that some smaller services are strapped for cash,

$8/hr is WAY below what is being paid in this area. I know some of

the folks that work for Marfa EMS and they're all good people, but

if you want medics that are worth having, you're gonna have to pay

them enough to make it worth their while.

Just my 2 cents worth

Joe T

-- In texasems-l , " marfaems " wrote:

>

> Marfa City/County EMS

> Marfa, Texas

>

> Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for employment.

Our

> community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

>

> We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a large

> portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> year.

> Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS system with

a

> 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000 life

> Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement pay,

> time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and internet

> continuing education.

> Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate 7.50/hr., and

> Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and sick

> leave.

>

> Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> drug-free

>

> Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

>

> Marfa City/County EMS

>

> Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

>

> P O Box 787

> Marfa, TX 79843

> office

> fax

> marfaems@...

>

[Guest guest]

I wish for an appication for Marfa EMS . I am a EMT-B

Joe wrote: -Sorry guys, just couldn't let this go.

While I realize that some smaller services are strapped for cash,

$8/hr is WAY below what is being paid in this area. I know some of

the folks that work for Marfa EMS and they're all good people, but

if you want medics that are worth having, you're gonna have to pay

them enough to make it worth their while.

Just my 2 cents worth

Joe T

-- In texasems-l , " marfaems " wrote:

>

> Marfa City/County EMS

> Marfa, Texas

>

> Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for employment.

Our

> community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

>

> We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a large

> portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> year.

> Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS system with

a

> 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000 life

> Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement pay,

> time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and internet

> continuing education.

> Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate 7.50/hr., and

> Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and sick

> leave.

>

> Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> drug-free

>

> Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

>

> Marfa City/County EMS

>

> Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

>

> P O Box 787

> Marfa, TX 79843

> office

> fax

> marfaems@...

>

[Guest guest]

Joe, I have to agree with you on the pay there. Too long of a drive and too

isolated out in the middle of no where for $8.00/hr. Not sure what is up with

the pay. Gonna have to raise it up a few dollars to get any response.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

I am not familiar with the going rate in that area since I am from the other

end of the state. However, I wonder what other services are your statements

based on? Do those services offer the other benefits that Marfa EMS lists?

What benefits are offered but the other services in that area?

I agree that $8 per hour sounds low, but my decision is based on the costs of

living in Tyler (which ranks up there with some of the more expensive locales in

Texas).

Just wondering,

Tater

Joe wrote:

-Sorry guys, just couldn't let this go.

While I realize that some smaller services are strapped for cash,

$8/hr is WAY below what is being paid in this area. I know some of

the folks that work for Marfa EMS and they're all good people, but

if you want medics that are worth having, you're gonna have to pay

them enough to make it worth their while.

Just my 2 cents worth

Joe T

-- In texasems-l , " marfaems " wrote:

>

> Marfa City/County EMS

> Marfa, Texas

>

> Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for employment.

Our

> community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

>

> We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a large

> portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> year.

> Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS system with

a

> 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000 life

> Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement pay,

> time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and internet

> continuing education.

> Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate 7.50/hr., and

> Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and sick

> leave.

>

> Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> drug-free

>

> Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

>

> Marfa City/County EMS

>

> Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

>

> P O Box 787

> Marfa, TX 79843

> office

> fax

> marfaems@...

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Joe I couldn't let this go: Don't apply if you don't like the pay.

They were considerate enough to state up front what the pay was so you

wouldn't waste your time.

Henry Barber

Joe wrote:

> -Sorry guys, just couldn't let this go.

> While I realize that some smaller services are strapped for cash,

> $8/hr is WAY below what is being paid in this area. I know some of

> the folks that work for Marfa EMS and they're all good people, but

> if you want medics that are worth having, you're gonna have to pay

> them enough to make it worth their while.

> Just my 2 cents worth

> Joe T

>

> -- In texasems-l , " marfaems " wrote:

> >

> > Marfa City/County EMS

> > Marfa, Texas

> >

> > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for employment.

> Our

> > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> >

> > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a large

> > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > year.

> > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS system with

> a

> > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000 life

> > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement pay,

> > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and internet

> > continuing education.

> > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate 7.50/hr., and

> > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and sick

> > leave.

> >

> > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > drug-free

> >

> > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> >

> > Marfa City/County EMS

> >

> > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> >

> > P O Box 787

> > Marfa, TX 79843

> > office

> > fax

> > marfaems@...

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back from

this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How much

you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch me

if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

Just my two cents worth.

> > >

> > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > Marfa, Texas

> > >

> > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for employment.

> > Our

> > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > >

> > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

large

> > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > year.

> > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS system

with

> > a

> > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000 life

> > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

pay,

> > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and internet

> > > continuing education.

> > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate 7.50/hr.,

and

> > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and sick

> > > leave.

> > >

> > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > drug-free

> > >

> > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > >

> > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > >

> > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > >

> > > P O Box 787

> > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > office

> > > fax

> > > marfaems@

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck.

You get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no

better than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long

as you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead,

but stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet

and how bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things

changed is to say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont

take it.

Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

Joe T

- In texasems-l , " " wrote:

>

> I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

from

> this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

much

> you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

me

> if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

>

> Just my two cents worth.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > >

> > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

employment.

> > > Our

> > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > >

> > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> large

> > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > year.

> > > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

system

> with

> > > a

> > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

life

> > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> pay,

> > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

internet

> > > > continuing education.

> > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

7.50/hr.,

> and

> > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

sick

> > > > leave.

> > > >

> > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > drug-free

> > > >

> > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > >

> > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > >

> > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > >

> > > > P O Box 787

> > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > office

> > > > fax

> > > > marfaems@

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Again Joe, I ask....

What can you tell me about the pay and benefits of the other services in that

area? What is the average income, mortgage, living expense in that area?

If I lived in that area, I'd probably be willing to work for that in a job

that I love. Id be willing to be that if you compare the economics of it, they

aren't as underpaid as you think. All EMS personnel are underpaid..... but when

compared to the median salaries in that area, this one actually seems ok.

Tater

Joe wrote:

Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck.

You get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no

better than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long

as you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead,

but stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet

and how bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things

changed is to say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont

take it.

Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

Joe T

- In texasems-l , " " wrote:

>

> I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

from

> this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

much

> you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

me

> if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

>

> Just my two cents worth.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > >

> > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

employment.

> > > Our

> > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > >

> > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> large

> > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > year.

> > > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

system

> with

> > > a

> > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

life

> > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> pay,

> > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

internet

> > > > continuing education.

> > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

7.50/hr.,

> and

> > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

sick

> > > > leave.

> > > >

> > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > drug-free

> > > >

> > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > >

> > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > >

> > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > >

> > > > P O Box 787

> > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > office

> > > > fax

> > > > marfaems@

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Simply stated Joe

We all appreciate what you are worth. My point was and has been in the

past is that maybe just maybe the folks in Marfa or where ever would

like to pay more but simply can't. They know that low pay is a problem

without you bringing it to their attention and touting how much you are

worth. Heck are you even looking for a job in the first place? Lighten

up. What have you done to improve EMS and pay other than feel you are

worth more. We have a butt load of Rural EMS Directors out there that

put their asses on the line every year and try and get more pay for

their employees who at times don't appreciate the increase five minutes

after they get it because as you say are worth more. I don't know much

about Marfa, but from post over the years, it appears they are doing

about as much as they can with the resources they have. Just try and

remember, it about more than just you. Now that I have done some

roasting, get after it, this old bird has been burned before.

Henry Barber

Joe wrote:

> Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

> about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

> comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck.

> You get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no

> better than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long

> as you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

> working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

> that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

> wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead,

> but stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet

> and how bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things

> changed is to say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont

> take it.

> Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

> Joe T

>

> - In texasems-l , " " wrote:

> >

> > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> from

> > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> much

> > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

> me

> > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> >

> > Just my two cents worth.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> employment.

> > > > Our

> > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> > large

> > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > > year.

> > > > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> system

> > with

> > > > a

> > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> life

> > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> > pay,

> > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> internet

> > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> 7.50/hr.,

> > and

> > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

> sick

> > > > > leave.

> > > > >

> > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > > drug-free

> > > > >

> > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > >

> > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > >

> > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > office

> > > > > fax

> > > > > marfaems@

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry Tater, I'll try to reply now.

The benifits for the other paid services in this area are comperable

to what they offer. The closest in pay to them I believe is

something like $10.50/hr with incentives for certs above the basic

CPR and ACLS. Just about every " skilled " job in this area (and yes

that includes plumbers, carpenters, and oilfield hands) pays more

than that.

I probably shouldn't have started all this, but I just hate to see

these low end wages for EMS perpetuated. I love what I'm doing too.

A person just about has to to put up with what we do on a daily

basis. Its just a shame that a person has to work 2 or 3 jobs to

make a living doing what they love and that is so vital to the

public welfare.

Joe T

- In texasems-l , " E. Tate " wrote:

>

> Again Joe, I ask....

>

> What can you tell me about the pay and benefits of the other

services in that area? What is the average income, mortgage, living

expense in that area?

>

> If I lived in that area, I'd probably be willing to work for

that in a job that I love. Id be willing to be that if you compare

the economics of it, they aren't as underpaid as you think. All EMS

personnel are underpaid..... but when compared to the median

salaries in that area, this one actually seems ok.

>

>

> Tater

>

> Joe wrote:

> Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here

complain

> about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

> comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck.

> You get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no

> better than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as

long

> as you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the

crappy

> working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I

feel

> that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

> wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead,

> but stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet

> and how bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things

> changed is to say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont

> take it.

> Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

> Joe T

>

> - In texasems-l , " " <txladymedic@> wrote:

> >

> > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> from

> > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> much

> > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

> me

> > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty

paramedics

> > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've

also

> > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> >

> > Just my two cents worth.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> employment.

> > > > Our

> > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and

a

> > large

> > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > > year.

> > > > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> system

> > with

> > > > a

> > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> life

> > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation,

bereavement

> > pay,

> > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> internet

> > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> 7.50/hr.,

> > and

> > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2

weeks,

> > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

> sick

> > > > > leave.

> > > > >

> > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and

be

> > > > > drug-free

> > > > >

> > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > >

> > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > >

> > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > office

> > > > > fax

> > > > > marfaems@

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Well said Henry'

I direct two services. One in Rural and one in a frontier county in SW Texas.

One is partial paid and one is fully paid. Both services were volunteer just

two years ago,

As the administration of Marfa EMS and many other services out here in the

sticks can tell you, it takes time to get the ESDs, County Commissioners, and

City Councils to pay a decent wage for services they received free not too long

ago.

Hats off to Marfa and the other rural services who are doing all they can with

out a lot of resources. M

Henry wrote:

Simply stated Joe

We all appreciate what you are worth. My point was and has been in the

past is that maybe just maybe the folks in Marfa or where ever would

like to pay more but simply can't. They know that low pay is a problem

without you bringing it to their attention and touting how much you are

worth. Heck are you even looking for a job in the first place? Lighten

up. What have you done to improve EMS and pay other than feel you are

worth more. We have a butt load of Rural EMS Directors out there that

put their asses on the line every year and try and get more pay for

their employees who at times don't appreciate the increase five minutes

after they get it because as you say are worth more. I don't know much

about Marfa, but from post over the years, it appears they are doing

about as much as they can with the resources they have. Just try and

remember, it about more than just you. Now that I have done some

roasting, get after it, this old bird has been burned before.

Henry Barber

Joe wrote:

> Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

> about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

> comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck.

> You get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no

> better than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long

> as you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

> working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

> that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

> wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead,

> but stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet

> and how bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things

> changed is to say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont

> take it.

> Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

> Joe T

>

> - In texasems-l , " " wrote:

> >

> > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> from

> > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> much

> > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

> me

> > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> >

> > Just my two cents worth.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> employment.

> > > > Our

> > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> > large

> > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > > year.

> > > > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> system

> > with

> > > > a

> > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> life

> > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> > pay,

> > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> internet

> > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> 7.50/hr.,

> > and

> > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

> sick

> > > > > leave.

> > > > >

> > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > > drug-free

> > > > >

> > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > >

> > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > >

> > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > office

> > > > > fax

> > > > > marfaems@

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Now, Henry, I'm not an economist, and neither are you. However, you're a

fisherman, and you find a way to go fishing no matter what, don't you?

I have to take issue with your statement that some of the folks in places

like Marfa are doing the best they can. My contention is that they have a lot

more spendable money than they spend on EMS, but they choose to spend it on

things that are for immediate gratification. As I pointed out, I don't know

anybody who doesn't still fill up their truck when it's empty or go to the beer

store when they're out.

My point it that people can afford great EMS if they want to afford it. But

they must make the choice. We're not so poor yet that we don't pay for air

conditioning, heat, gasoline, diesel, pizza, clothes, and entertainment. We pay

for what we choose to pay for.

I'm betting that Marfa has the ability to pay top price for good EMS service

if it wants to. It can support an art museum, lots of other artsy craftsy

stuff, and there are plenty of high powered land owners who are not paying their

fair share because of the agri exemptions under the tax laws. Sales taxes are

probably still running at 100% of expectations. So there is money there.

Folks just don't act maturely in spending it.

Isn't it time that EMS decided to force the issue and say to the people, " Pay

for it or lose it? " Maybe a year without EMS would be good for a few folks.

That's happening in lots of counties in Texas. At last count, there were

about 23 counties out of 254 that have no county EMS service, and they're

dependent upon services from adjoining counties to save them. Where do they

come off

expecting that? Why should my county's service cross the line to save folks

in the adjoining county who refuse to pay for EMS service?

Let's face it. People get what they pay for. And they pay for what they

want. If they don't want to pay for EMS, then maybe they ought to do without.

Gene G.

In a message dated 4/17/06 14:31:34 Central Daylight Time,

hbarber@... writes:

> Subj:Re: Re: City of Marfa is hiring medics

> Date:4/17/06 14:31:34 Central Daylight Time

> From:hbarber@...

> Reply-to:texasems-l

> To:texasems-l

> Sent from the Internet

>

>

>

> Simply stated Joe

>

> We all appreciate what you are worth. My point was and has been in the

> past is that maybe just maybe the folks in Marfa or where ever would

> like to pay more but simply can't. They know that low pay is a problem

> without you bringing it to their attention and touting how much you are

> worth. Heck are you even looking for a job in the first place? Lighten

> up. What have you done to improve EMS and pay other than feel you are

> worth more. We have a butt load of Rural EMS Directors out there that

> put their asses on the line every year and try and get more pay for

> their employees who at times don't appreciate the increase five minutes

> after they get it because as you say are worth more. I don't know much

> about Marfa, but from post over the years, it appears they are doing

> about as much as they can with the resources they have. Just try and

> remember, it about more than just you. Now that I have done some

> roasting, get after it, this old bird has been burned before.

>

> Henry Barber

>

> Joe wrote:

>

> > Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

> > about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

> > comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck.

> > You get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no

> > better than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long

> > as you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

> > working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

> > that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

> > wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead,

> > but stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet

> > and how bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things

> > changed is to say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont

> > take it.

> > Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

> > Joe T

> >

> > - In texasems-l , " " wrote:

> > >

> > > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> > from

> > > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> > much

> > > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> > > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

> > me

> > > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> > > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> > > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> > >

> > > Just my two cents worth.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > > > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> > employment.

> > > > > Our

> > > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> > > large

> > > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > > > year.

> > > > > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> > system

> > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> > life

> > > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> > > pay,

> > > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> > internet

> > > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> > 7.50/hr.,

> > > and

> > > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

> > sick

> > > > > > leave.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > > > drug-free

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > > office

> > > > > > fax

> > > > > > marfaems@

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

You gotta love Henry....

Joe does have a point though, we don't get paid enough, fact of the

matter is we all agree on that, we just diagree with how we correct it.

Joe has his option, and chose it, he chooses not to work for Marfa, and

I would make the same decision. It is not necessarily the fact that you

won't or can't get good medics at the wage they're paying, but more the

fact that they won't attract many from outside their own area with the

waqes they are paying. Perhaps Joe may have had a better way of saying

what he said, but he is right.

Marfa may well be miles ahead of where it was years ago, and from what I

can remember from past posts, they have been struggling to stay ahead of

the game for years, and done a good job. Joe's perspective is from an

employees point of view, Henry's is from the struggling managers point

of view, and knowing many who have worked for, and continue to work for

Henry, I can say without hesitation that Henry does his best, and has

put his big a** on the line more than once for his people.

Some services pay a wage that doesn't require us working a second job,

now that I am out of probie period, I am there. Though I have been known

to work a second job purely out of greed.....:)Others struggle to pay

the lower end, either due to managements failure to grasp the plight, or

from boards lak of understanding of the plight, either way, you just

have to keep plodding on.

It has been said many times, that until there are no medics to fill the

slots, some will never realize our worth. Sad, but true. Is Marfa such a

situation? I don't know, don't know enough about Marfa to say.

Point that I am trying to make is that everyone is right, everyone

deserves the kudos, and everyone needs to keep working hard at what they

are doing to keep things moving forward.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Re: City of Marfa is hiring medics

Simply stated Joe

We all appreciate what you are worth. My point was and has been in the

past is that maybe just maybe the folks in Marfa or where ever would

like to pay more but simply can't. They know that low pay is a problem

without you bringing it to their attention and touting how much you are

worth. Heck are you even looking for a job in the first place? Lighten

up. What have you done to improve EMS and pay other than feel you are

worth more. We have a butt load of Rural EMS Directors out there that

put their asses on the line every year and try and get more pay for

their employees who at times don't appreciate the increase five minutes

after they get it because as you say are worth more. I don't know much

about Marfa, but from post over the years, it appears they are doing

about as much as they can with the resources they have. Just try and

remember, it about more than just you. Now that I have done some

roasting, get after it, this old bird has been burned before.

Henry Barber

Joe wrote:

> Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

> about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

> comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck. You

> get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no better

> than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long as

> you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

> working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

> that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

> wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead, but

> stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet and how

> bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things changed is to

> say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont take it.

> Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

> Joe T

>

> - In texasems-l , " " wrote:

> >

> > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> from

> > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> much

> > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

> me

> > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> >

> > Just my two cents worth.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas Certified

> > > > > Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> employment.

> > > > Our

> > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> > large

> > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > > year. Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> system

> > with

> > > > a

> > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> life

> > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> > pay,

> > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> internet

> > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> 7.50/hr.,

> > and

> > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

> sick

> > > > > leave.

> > > > >

> > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > > drug-free

> > > > >

> > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > >

> > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > >

> > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > office

> > > > > fax

> > > > > marfaems@

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

, you too are correct. I totally agree. I'm tired---I'm working the

downside of a 48 hr shift--- I'm making a good wage--- it hasn't been that way

all the time---- but I'm comfortable.

Hatfield wrote:

You gotta love Henry....

Joe does have a point though, we don't get paid enough, fact of the

matter is we all agree on that, we just diagree with how we correct it.

Joe has his option, and chose it, he chooses not to work for Marfa, and

I would make the same decision. It is not necessarily the fact that you

won't or can't get good medics at the wage they're paying, but more the

fact that they won't attract many from outside their own area with the

waqes they are paying. Perhaps Joe may have had a better way of saying

what he said, but he is right.

Marfa may well be miles ahead of where it was years ago, and from what I

can remember from past posts, they have been struggling to stay ahead of

the game for years, and done a good job. Joe's perspective is from an

employees point of view, Henry's is from the struggling managers point

of view, and knowing many who have worked for, and continue to work for

Henry, I can say without hesitation that Henry does his best, and has

put his big a** on the line more than once for his people.

Some services pay a wage that doesn't require us working a second job,

now that I am out of probie period, I am there. Though I have been known

to work a second job purely out of greed.....:)Others struggle to pay

the lower end, either due to managements failure to grasp the plight, or

from boards lak of understanding of the plight, either way, you just

have to keep plodding on.

It has been said many times, that until there are no medics to fill the

slots, some will never realize our worth. Sad, but true. Is Marfa such a

situation? I don't know, don't know enough about Marfa to say.

Point that I am trying to make is that everyone is right, everyone

deserves the kudos, and everyone needs to keep working hard at what they

are doing to keep things moving forward.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Re: City of Marfa is hiring medics

Simply stated Joe

We all appreciate what you are worth. My point was and has been in the

past is that maybe just maybe the folks in Marfa or where ever would

like to pay more but simply can't. They know that low pay is a problem

without you bringing it to their attention and touting how much you are

worth. Heck are you even looking for a job in the first place? Lighten

up. What have you done to improve EMS and pay other than feel you are

worth more. We have a butt load of Rural EMS Directors out there that

put their asses on the line every year and try and get more pay for

their employees who at times don't appreciate the increase five minutes

after they get it because as you say are worth more. I don't know much

about Marfa, but from post over the years, it appears they are doing

about as much as they can with the resources they have. Just try and

remember, it about more than just you. Now that I have done some

roasting, get after it, this old bird has been burned before.

Henry Barber

Joe wrote:

> Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

> about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

> comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck. You

> get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no better

> than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long as

> you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

> working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

> that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

> wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead, but

> stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet and how

> bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things changed is to

> say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont take it.

> Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

> Joe T

>

> - In texasems-l , " " wrote:

> >

> > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> from

> > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> much

> > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

> me

> > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> >

> > Just my two cents worth.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas Certified

> > > > > Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> employment.

> > > > Our

> > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> > large

> > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > > year. Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> system

> > with

> > > > a

> > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> life

> > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> > pay,

> > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> internet

> > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> 7.50/hr.,

> > and

> > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

> sick

> > > > > leave.

> > > > >

> > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > > drug-free

> > > > >

> > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > >

> > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > >

> > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > office

> > > > > fax

> > > > > marfaems@

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

One other point...Joe mentioned about plumbers, carpenters and oilfield workers

who all make more than paramedics...funny thing here is that all of these

professions get to choose who they serve...your water heater goes out so you

call a plumber(s)...and compare rates. The plumber gets paid what he gets paid

because people are willing to pay that rate...and if they don't their water

heater doesn't get repaired. Plus, if you don't pay...you don't get the

service...or if you promise to pay and then don't you get to go to court.

The comparison between these professions and healthcare is not a valid

one...although interesting that we are comparing our pay to other " blue-collar "

workers despite the fact that we claim we want are professionals...hmmmmm....

Dudley

Re: Re: City of Marfa is hiring medics

Simply stated Joe

We all appreciate what you are worth. My point was and has been in the

past is that maybe just maybe the folks in Marfa or where ever would

like to pay more but simply can't. They know that low pay is a problem

without you bringing it to their attention and touting how much you are

worth. Heck are you even looking for a job in the first place? Lighten

up. What have you done to improve EMS and pay other than feel you are

worth more. We have a butt load of Rural EMS Directors out there that

put their asses on the line every year and try and get more pay for

their employees who at times don't appreciate the increase five minutes

after they get it because as you say are worth more. I don't know much

about Marfa, but from post over the years, it appears they are doing

about as much as they can with the resources they have. Just try and

remember, it about more than just you. Now that I have done some

roasting, get after it, this old bird has been burned before.

Henry Barber

Joe wrote:

> Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

> about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

> comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck. You

> get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no better

> than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as long as

> you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the crappy

> working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I feel

> that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

> wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead, but

> stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet and how

> bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things changed is to

> say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont take it.

> Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming start.

> Joe T

>

> - In texasems-l , " " wrote:

> >

> > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> from

> > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> much

> > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

> > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

> me

> > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty paramedics

> > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've also

> > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> >

> > Just my two cents worth.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas Certified

> > > > > Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> employment.

> > > > Our

> > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and a

> > large

> > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies a

> > > > > year. Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> system

> > with

> > > > a

> > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> life

> > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation, bereavement

> > pay,

> > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> internet

> > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> 7.50/hr.,

> > and

> > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks,

> > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

> sick

> > > > > leave.

> > > > >

> > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and be

> > > > > drug-free

> > > > >

> > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > >

> > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > >

> > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > office

> > > > > fax

> > > > > marfaems@

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

From: Hatfield

Date: 04/17/06 20:28:20

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Re: City of Marfa is hiring medics

<<snip You gotta love Henry....

I can say without hesitation that Henry does his best, and has

put his big a** on the line more than once for his people.>>snip

Heh, heh, heh....Hatfield said Henry's " big a** "

Honestly though it is true....Henry has stuck his a**, neck and several

other body parts in harms way for " his " employees.

I have worked for Henry for 12 years total or so....and since I came back to

work for him full time 7 1/2 years ago, starting pay for a paramedic has

increased 40%....a 40% increase.....wasn't easy for him but......it was for

me

Chambers, AAS, LP

[Guest guest]

Sorry, my bad........that should be 70% increase

-- RE: Re: City of Marfa is hiring medics

<<snip You gotta love Henry....

I can say without hesitation that Henry does his best, and has

put his big a** on the line more than once for his people.>>snip

Heh, heh, heh....Hatfield said Henry's " big a** "

Honestly though it is true....Henry has stuck his a**, neck and several

other body parts in harms way for " his " employees.

I have worked for Henry for 12 years total or so....and since I came back to

work for him full time 7 1/2 years ago, starting pay for a paramedic has

increased 40%....a 40% increase.....wasn't easy for him but......it was for

me

Chambers, AAS, LP

[Guest guest]

Gene,

You are correct. That is the politics of EMS. I was expressing that the

EMS service it's self was probably doing the best it could. I certainly

know that more could be done for EMS if the funds were given where the

need is. However, don't depend on the public to go to bat for EMS. I

would be willing to bet that even in those counties you speak of with no

EMS that there has been any Hugh public out cry. My support was for the

EMS personnel who are working for the service and are looking for

medics.

Henry

wegandy1938@... wrote:

> Now, Henry, I'm not an economist, and neither are you. However,

> you're a

> fisherman, and you find a way to go fishing no matter what, don't you?

>

> I have to take issue with your statement that some of the folks in

> places

> like Marfa are doing the best they can. My contention is that they

> have a lot

> more spendable money than they spend on EMS, but they choose to spend

> it on

> things that are for immediate gratification. As I pointed out, I

> don't know

> anybody who doesn't still fill up their truck when it's empty or go to

> the beer

> store when they're out.

>

> My point it that people can afford great EMS if they want to afford

> it. But

> they must make the choice. We're not so poor yet that we don't pay

> for air

> conditioning, heat, gasoline, diesel, pizza, clothes, and

> entertainment. We pay

> for what we choose to pay for.

>

> I'm betting that Marfa has the ability to pay top price for good EMS

> service

> if it wants to. It can support an art museum, lots of other artsy

> craftsy

> stuff, and there are plenty of high powered land owners who are not

> paying their

> fair share because of the agri exemptions under the tax laws. Sales

> taxes are

> probably still running at 100% of expectations. So there is money

> there.

> Folks just don't act maturely in spending it.

>

> Isn't it time that EMS decided to force the issue and say to the

> people, " Pay

> for it or lose it? " Maybe a year without EMS would be good for a few

> folks.

>

>

> That's happening in lots of counties in Texas. At last count, there

> were

> about 23 counties out of 254 that have no county EMS service, and

> they're

> dependent upon services from adjoining counties to save them. Where

> do they come off

> expecting that? Why should my county's service cross the line to save

> folks

> in the adjoining county who refuse to pay for EMS service?

>

> Let's face it. People get what they pay for. And they pay for what

> they

> want. If they don't want to pay for EMS, then maybe they ought to do

> without.

>

> Gene G.

>

> In a message dated 4/17/06 14:31:34 Central Daylight Time,

> hbarber@... writes:

>

>

> > Subj:Re: Re: City of Marfa is hiring medics

> > Date:4/17/06 14:31:34 Central Daylight Time

> > From:hbarber@...

> > Reply-to:texasems-l

> > To:texasems-l

> > Sent from the Internet

> >

> >

> >

> > Simply stated Joe

> >

> > We all appreciate what you are worth. My point was and has been in

> the

> > past is that maybe just maybe the folks in Marfa or where ever would

>

> > like to pay more but simply can't. They know that low pay is a

> problem

> > without you bringing it to their attention and touting how much you

> are

> > worth. Heck are you even looking for a job in the first place?

> Lighten

> > up. What have you done to improve EMS and pay other than feel you

> are

> > worth more. We have a butt load of Rural EMS Directors out there

> that

> > put their asses on the line every year and try and get more pay for

> > their employees who at times don't appreciate the increase five

> minutes

> > after they get it because as you say are worth more. I don't know

> much

> > about Marfa, but from post over the years, it appears they are doing

>

> > about as much as they can with the resources they have. Just try and

>

> > remember, it about more than just you. Now that I have done some

> > roasting, get after it, this old bird has been burned before.

> >

> > Henry Barber

> >

> > Joe wrote:

> >

> > > Ok, here we go again. Time and time again people on here complain

>

> > > about crappy working conditions and low pay. However, let somebody

>

> > > comment on the low pay offered by an agency, and they better duck.

>

> > > You get the " if you dont like the pay dont apply " or " you aint no

>

> > > better than me cause you make more money " , etc, etc. Folks, as

> long

> > > as you're willing to work for those low wages and accept the

> crappy

> > > working conditions, that's what you're gonna get. Personally, I

> feel

> > > that my experience and ability makes me worth more than that and I

>

> > > wont accept the status quo. If you're willing to, go right ahead,

> > > but stop whining about having to work three jobs to make ends meet

>

> > > and how bad the conditions are. The only way we'll get things

> > > changed is to say that the conditions are unacceptable and we wont

>

> > > take it.

> > > Alright, I put on my asbestos underware so let the flaming

> start.

> > > Joe T

> > >

> > > - In texasems-l , " " wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I worked for a long time making only $8/hr and when I get back

> > > from

> > > > this deployment I'll probably go back to making only $8/hr. How

> > > much

> > > > you make has nothing to do with how good you are at your job. I

>

> > > > know plenty paramedics who make $20/hr that I wouldnt' let touch

>

> > > me

> > > > if I was bleeding to death in a ditch and I know plenty

> paramedics

> > > > making only $8/hr that I wouldn't let touch me either. I've

> also

> > > > seen great paramedics on both ends of the money.

> > > >

> > > > Just my two cents worth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > > > Marfa, Texas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marfa City/County EMS is currently seeking Texas

> > > > > > > Certified Basics, Intermediates, and Paramedics for

> > > employment.

> > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > community is growing and we need to expand our paid staff.

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are the 911 service provider for the City of Marfa and

> a

> > > > large

> > > > > > > portion of Presidio County, responding to 430 emergencies

> a

> > > > > > > year.

> > > > > > > Our full time employee benefit package includes: TMRS

> > > system

> > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > 6% City match, major medical, dental, vision, and $50,000

> > > life

> > > > > > > Insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, paid vacation,

> bereavement

> > > > pay,

> > > > > > > time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2 weeks, uniform, and

> > > internet

> > > > > > > continuing education.

> > > > > > > Part time employees: Basic: $7.00/hr., Intermediate

> > > 7.50/hr.,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Paramedics $8.00/hr. Time and 1/2 over 86 hrs. every 2

> weeks,

> > > > > > > uniform, internet continuing education, paid holidays, and

>

> > > sick

> > > > > > > leave.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Applicants must possess a clear Texas Drivers License and

> be

> > > > > > > drug-free

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Resumes may be faxed, mailed or emailed to:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marfa City/County EMS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jessie Peña, Paramedic

> > > > > > > Bert Lagarde, Paramedic

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P O Box 787

> > > > > > > Marfa, TX 79843

> > > > > > > office

> > > > > > > fax

> > > > > > > marfaems@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Henry,

I understand your statements, and I, too, see the need to support the local

EMS. I know it is doing the best it can.

You are undoubtedly right that there has been no outcry from the citizens of

those places where they have no EMS. Apathy abounds. And, I suspect that

their law enforcement folk have the numbers of the helo services, and they can

get air crews when they think they need them. So they don't think they're

totally without EMS.

But how did we ever let the politics of EMS get us to the place we are? We

have always taken what was given, after much begging, and never asserted

ourselves as being either necessary or deserving of better than we have

received.

The politics needs to change. We need to slap some folks upside the head

with the realities of life and do it soon, or else EMS is going to become the

province of the few.

I suggest that we begin by each making a trip to visit our own legislators

and have a heart to heart talk with them. We have to start somewhere. Every

state and federal legislator has many people competing for time and ideas. We

never seem to even get in the door. Generally because we don't even try.

Now, I know what you, Henry, have done, and I know the battles you've fought,

and I'm not talking to you personally. I'm talking to all the rest of the

denizens of these lists who lurk and never commit to anything.

Isn't it time for all of us to come out of the shadows and make ourselves

heard? It only takes a phone call, an email, a letter, a visit to the local

office.

Let's do it. You can find your state representative by googling Texas

Legislature Online.

You don't have to be eloquent. You don't have to write like a novelist.

You just need to get the point across that EMS is not being supported by our

great state, and that it is in danger of failing as an institution unless it

gets

state recognition and support.

Don't forget your city council people and your county commissioners either.

They don't want to hear from you, but just remind them that you vote. And

tell them that you are a ONE ISSUE VOTER, and that issue is EMS. Then get a

neighbor to do the same thing. We can be a force if we'll get off our butts and

just do it.

Henry, you have been in the fight for longer than I have, and you know book

and page how this works. I know you've had many plans that didn't work out, but

I also know that you're one very savvy individual. Let us know your formula

for how to improve our public image and get our state legislature to pay

attention to us. I know you've got good ideas.

Who else? Come on! Let's hear it. When are we going to march on the

Capitol and scream " We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore? "

Gene G.

In a message dated 4/18/06 13:22:00 Central Daylight Time,

hbarber@... writes:

> Gene,

>

> You are correct. That is the politics of EMS. I was expressing that the

> EMS service it's self was probably doing the best it could. I certainly

> know that more could be done for EMS if the funds were given where the

> need is. However, don't depend on the public to go to bat for EMS. I

> would be willing to bet that even in those counties you speak of with no

> EMS that there has been any Hugh public out cry. My support was for the

> EMS personnel who are working for the service and are looking for

> medics.

>

> Henry

>

>

[Guest guest]

Once again Gene you are 100% RIGHT. Unfortunately EMS for the most part

is a local by local issue. EMS Directors like myself who have been in

the same place for 26 years is very very uncommon. Usually as soon as a

EMS Director begins to stir the pot, they are out of there. A new guy is

hired, usually someone young and inexperienced that they can handle for

a while. I really think we can talk to our legislators until we are blue

in the face and we will get nothing but lip service. We are a fractured

group because at local level that is how it is designed to work. We are

not a union but local politics treat us as such. When I reference local

politics I am not really referencing here in Calhoun County. We do get

an amazing amount of support and have over the years. That doesn't mean

it is easy, just that it could be a lot worse. Hell Gene I don't know

the answer. I have a gut feeling that our own board would start us in

the right direction but that again is just a gut feeling.

I have not given up, just slowed down. I have always been willing to

serve on any committee where I thought my representation would be

helpful. I am usually good for a couple of years until I get kicked off.

I have always felt that I was there to represent the little guy in EMS

and not my own personal agenda. Of course I have always been politically

correct.

You tell me the answer because I don't know.

Henry

wegandy1938@... wrote:

> Henry,

>

> I understand your statements, and I, too, see the need to support the

> local

> EMS. I know it is doing the best it can.

>

> You are undoubtedly right that there has been no outcry from the

> citizens of

> those places where they have no EMS. Apathy abounds. And, I suspect

> that

> their law enforcement folk have the numbers of the helo services, and

> they can

> get air crews when they think they need them. So they don't think

> they're

> totally without EMS.

>

> But how did we ever let the politics of EMS get us to the place we

> are? We

> have always taken what was given, after much begging, and never

> asserted

> ourselves as being either necessary or deserving of better than we

> have received.

>

> The politics needs to change. We need to slap some folks upside the

> head

> with the realities of life and do it soon, or else EMS is going to

> become the

> province of the few.

>

> I suggest that we begin by each making a trip to visit our own

> legislators

> and have a heart to heart talk with them. We have to start

> somewhere. Every

> state and federal legislator has many people competing for time and

> ideas. We

> never seem to even get in the door. Generally because we don't even

> try.

>

> Now, I know what you, Henry, have done, and I know the battles you've

> fought,

> and I'm not talking to you personally. I'm talking to all the rest of

> the

> denizens of these lists who lurk and never commit to anything.

>

> Isn't it time for all of us to come out of the shadows and make

> ourselves

> heard? It only takes a phone call, an email, a letter, a visit to the

> local

> office.

>

> Let's do it. You can find your state representative by googling Texas

>

> Legislature Online.

>

> You don't have to be eloquent. You don't have to write like a

> novelist.

> You just need to get the point across that EMS is not being supported

> by our

> great state, and that it is in danger of failing as an institution

> unless it gets

> state recognition and support.

>

> Don't forget your city council people and your county commissioners

> either.

> They don't want to hear from you, but just remind them that you vote.

> And

> tell them that you are a ONE ISSUE VOTER, and that issue is EMS. Then

> get a

> neighbor to do the same thing. We can be a force if we'll get off our

> butts and

> just do it.

>

> Henry, you have been in the fight for longer than I have, and you know

> book

> and page how this works. I know you've had many plans that didn't work

> out, but

> I also know that you're one very savvy individual. Let us know your

> formula

> for how to improve our public image and get our state legislature to

> pay

> attention to us. I know you've got good ideas.

>

> Who else? Come on! Let's hear it. When are we going to march on the

>

> Capitol and scream " We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it

> anymore? "

>

> Gene G.

>

>

>

> In a message dated 4/18/06 13:22:00 Central Daylight Time,

> hbarber@... writes:

>

> > Gene,

> >

> > You are correct. That is the politics of EMS. I was expressing that

> the

> > EMS service it's self was probably doing the best it could. I

> certainly

> > know that more could be done for EMS if the funds were given where

> the

> > need is. However, don't depend on the public to go to bat for EMS. I

>

> > would be willing to bet that even in those counties you speak of

> with no

> > EMS that there has been any Hugh public out cry. My support was for

> the

> > EMS personnel who are working for the service and are looking for

> > medics.

> >

> > Henry

> >

> >

>

>