Concerns from NJ

[Guest guest]

If you read some of my posts then you know I am a newbee. I am a bit

confused. In your posts you refer to things like, " My A-Fib eposodes "

or my A-Fib acts up for a few days, etc. What does all this mean. Do

you all actually have some symptoms that are distinct, that you

actually know that you are arrythemic. For me I feel nothing. The only

reason I am on Coumadin is because the doctors told me I was A-Fib

when he did the EKG. Other then that I feel nothing. I will be anxious

to find out more thru testing that I will undergo this week. Tuesday I

an having an echocardogram and also they are hooking up that holter

monitor. Also are you girls on Coumadin now? I am afraid of this drug.

Its radical stuff.

[Guest guest]

Yes Jim,

People have different symptoms with AFIB. I know the MINUTE I go

intto it and the minute I come out of it. My brother is like you. He

can walk around for months with it and the only symptom he has is that

he'll feel more tired than usual.

The good part for me is that since they have proven I know when I;m in

it, I don't have to stay on coumadin. For you, coumadin is very

important. Being in AFIB for any period of time and not converting

out of it puts you at risk for stroke. the coumadin minimizes this

risk.

Some people go in for minutes some for days and more.

It's overwhelming when you first get it, but this is a great place for

information!!

Good luck,

Kathy

>

> If you read some of my posts then you know I am a newbee. I am a bit

> confused. In your posts you refer to things like, " My A-Fib eposodes "

> or my A-Fib acts up for a few days, etc. What does all this mean. Do

> you all actually have some symptoms that are distinct, that you

> actually know that you are arrythemic. For me I feel nothing. The

only

> reason I am on Coumadin is because the doctors told me I was A-Fib

> when he did the EKG. Other then that I feel nothing. I will be

anxious

> to find out more thru testing that I will undergo this week. Tuesday

I

> an having an echocardogram and also they are hooking up that holter

> monitor. Also are you girls on Coumadin now? I am afraid of this

drug.

> Its radical stuff.

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Another item I'm sure you've gleaned from this group list already is

that everybody's experience is different. Mine is somewhat similar to

yours. I was months in AFIB before I went in to get checked for a sinus

infection and the nurse did the obligatory heart " listen " and said,

" When was the last time you had an EKG? "

I am not one to go in-and-out of AFIB, but after having it corrected

with electrocardioversion and then experienced going into AFIB again, I

can now pin-point just when I went in the first time. But, my main

symptom when I was unaware of AFIB was that I got to the eighth hole of

golf (walking, carrying my bag) and was pretty dragged out and wished it

was over, and not just because of my score! I could still do 12 minutes

on a tread-mill test.

I have had the tests that show that nothing else is wrong with my heart

(Lone AFIB, I guess?). I have been on coumadin, but am only taking

daily aspirin now, since the AFIB appears mostly under control with

flecainide. Coumadin sounds serious, but you have now entered the realm

of " risk assessment " , and must weigh the side effects of coumadin

against the risk of stroke.

If the tests turn up nothing else as a causative for your AFIB, then one

hopes that an eventual electrocardioversion will zap you back into

rhythm and you'll " stick " . Then, if you are like me, it remains for you

to be serious about a heart-healthy diet and weight-control, and being

[perhaps brutally] honest with yourself about caffeine and alcohol

consumption.

Hoping your tests turn out fine,

--

Clay in MN

Jim Andersen wrote:

> If you read some of my posts then you know I am a newbee. I am a bit

> confused. In your posts you refer to things like, " My A-Fib eposodes "

> or my A-Fib acts up for a few days, etc. What does all this mean. Do

> you all actually have some symptoms that are distinct, that you

> actually know that you are arrythemic. For me I feel nothing. The only

> reason I am on Coumadin is because the doctors told me I was A-Fib

> when he did the EKG. Other then that I feel nothing. I will be anxious

> to find out more thru testing that I will undergo this week. Tuesday I

> an having an echocardogram and also they are hooking up that holter

> monitor. Also are you girls on Coumadin now? I am afraid of this drug.

> Its radical stuff.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

>

[Guest guest]

> I have no idea if I am a-fib at this moment or back in NSR.

Hi Jim,

Take your pulse several times a day, paying attention to the rhythm rather

than the rate. When you're a-fib, it'll be noticeably irregular.

I check for 10 beats probably 4-5 times a day. Once you catch one when you ARE

a-fib, you'll recognize it from then on. It's a dramatic difference, where

the pulse doesn't even resemble anything regular. Over 10 beats, I'll vary

from 3 beats in a single second, to a 3 second gap between beats.

[Guest guest]

>

> Jim,

We all have different symptoms. I can tell when I go in or out of

afib. For me, my pulse becomes irregular. However, my doctor has told

me that the only way he can tell some people are in afib is to do an

EKG. You can be in a fib and not be able to tell by taking your

pulse. I would not change anything until I talked to my doctor.

Earl

[Guest guest]

Clay I appreciate your info. My hope and prayer is that I can be on an asprin a

day and a controling drug like you. I am also a golfer and have a 16 handicap.

I'd like to keep it at 16. Im only 54. On a good note, I dont drink at all.

Maybe 2 glasses of wine a year if that. I dont smoke anymore. I used to love

those golf course cigars but that is a past chapter in my life. If I had to

drink decafe for the rest of my life I could handle that with ease. I am on the

road to recovery in the weight dept. I go to Weight Watchers meetings and I

should get to my goal weight in about 6 months. This time I need to stay at that

weight and stop eating the donuts.

Jim

Clay Haapala clay@...> wrote:

Jim,

Another item I'm sure you've gleaned from this group list already is

that everybody's experience is different. Mine is somewhat similar to

yours. I was months in AFIB before I went in to get checked for a sinus

infection and the nurse did the obligatory heart " listen " and said,

" When was the last time you had an EKG? "

I am not one to go in-and-out of AFIB, but after having it corrected

with electrocardioversion and then experienced going into AFIB again, I

can now pin-point just when I went in the first time. But, my main

symptom when I was unaware of AFIB was that I got to the eighth hole of

golf (walking, carrying my bag) and was pretty dragged out and wished it

was over, and not just because of my score! I could still do 12 minutes

on a tread-mill test.

I have had the tests that show that nothing else is wrong with my heart

(Lone AFIB, I guess?). I have been on coumadin, but am only taking

daily aspirin now, since the AFIB appears mostly under control with

flecainide. Coumadin sounds serious, but you have now entered the realm

of " risk assessment " , and must weigh the side effects of coumadin

against the risk of stroke.

If the tests turn up nothing else as a causative for your AFIB, then one

hopes that an eventual electrocardioversion will zap you back into

rhythm and you'll " stick " . Then, if you are like me, it remains for you

to be serious about a heart-healthy diet and weight-control, and being

[perhaps brutally] honest with yourself about caffeine and alcohol

consumption.

Hoping your tests turn out fine,

--

Clay in MN

Jim Andersen wrote:

> If you read some of my posts then you know I am a newbee. I am a bit

> confused. In your posts you refer to things like, " My A-Fib eposodes "

> or my A-Fib acts up for a few days, etc. What does all this mean. Do

> you all actually have some symptoms that are distinct, that you

> actually know that you are arrythemic. For me I feel nothing. The only

> reason I am on Coumadin is because the doctors told me I was A-Fib

> when he did the EKG. Other then that I feel nothing. I will be anxious

> to find out more thru testing that I will undergo this week. Tuesday I

> an having an echocardogram and also they are hooking up that holter

> monitor. Also are you girls on Coumadin now? I am afraid of this drug.

> Its radical stuff.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

> List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

> For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

> send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

>

> Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be

acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

>

[Guest guest]

What nose spray are you on... if you're on Afrin or anything like that, you

might want to stop now.. some of those nose sprays have ingredients which can

speed things up, including your heart.. nose sprays, cold medicine, allergie

relief... you'll learn to read the labels, and learn what to avoid!

I dont know if this is heart related or because I'm using nose spray for a

long time.

[Guest guest]

My cardiologist has told me that the only things I can take when I

get a cold (and I just got over a bad one) are Guaifenex DM

(prescription) for congestion and just a little Regular Afrin at

night so I can sleep. Those have helped greatly.

-

>

> What nose spray are you on... if you're on Afrin or anything

like that, you might want to stop now.. some of those nose sprays

have ingredients which can speed things up, including your heart..

nose sprays, cold medicine, allergie relief... you'll learn to read

the labels, and learn what to avoid!

>

>

> I dont know if this is heart related or because I'm using nose

spray for a long time.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stef, You are right and at the risk of sounding like a big dope I must confess

that I have used Afrin for over a year. I am embarrased to say that I've done

this. It has happen in previous years but after a month or two I'd stop using it

and for about a week it is horriable. It takes a week or so for your sinuses to

get back to normal. Well, this year I had a ton of issues, both personally and

corporately so I just did not want to suffer with the withdrawl. I do realize

that now I must stop this and I would not be suprized if the Afib might be

caused by this. At least Im thinking that I dont know if that is fact. I did not

share this tidbit with the cardio doctor.

Quarter Acre Orchids quarteracreorchids@...> wrote: What nose spray

are you on... if you're on Afrin or anything like that, you might want to stop

now.. some of those nose sprays have ingredients which can speed things up,

including your heart.. nose sprays, cold medicine, allergie relief... you'll

learn to read the labels, and learn what to avoid!

I dont know if this is heart related or because I'm using nose spray for a

long time.

[Guest guest]

by all means SHARE this with your doctor... when I go to the ER in afib, the

first thing they ask is if I've recently used nose spray, taken cold medication,

taken certain multi-vitamins... you might be in the process of treating

something that is a direct result of your Afrin use and nothing more! I'd hate

to see you go through everything, for something so simple.

And I know how addicting Afrin can be too... my brother (a head and neck

surgeon) is adamant about only using afrin for a day or two at a time..

otherwise you get addicted and feel like you can't breath without it!

I say go cold turkey, or perhaps get some saline nose spray and quit the afrin

and just use saline from now on... might make the withdrawl a little less

harsh... but really... share this information with your cardio.. it's really

important that he know this little fact. He is NOT out to judge you.. he's out

to help you, and he can't without all the facts....

stef

Jim nordic_2@...> wrote:

Stef, You are right and at the risk of sounding like a big dope I must confess

that I have used Afrin for over a year. I am embarrased to say that I've done

this. It has happen in previous years but after a month or two I'd stop using it

and for about a week it is horriable. It takes a week or so for your sinuses to

get back to normal. Well, this year I had a ton of issues, both personally and

corporately so I just did not want to suffer with the withdrawl. I do realize

that now I must stop this and I would not be suprized if the Afib might be

caused by this. At least Im thinking that I dont know if that is fact. I did not

share this tidbit with the cardio doctor.

Quarter Acre Orchids quarteracreorchids@...> wrote: What nose spray

are you on... if you're on Afrin or anything like that, you might want to stop

now.. some of those nose sprays have ingredients which can speed things up,

including your heart.. nose sprays, cold medicine, allergie relief... you'll

learn to read the labels, and learn what to avoid!

I dont know if this is heart related or because I'm using nose spray for a

long time.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Good for you on the Weight Watchers. That's what I did, too, with my

wife. Helps to have an accountability partner. I also did a 1/2 hour

walk most days when I was trying hard to drop weight, and those extra

couple of activity points (if you are a FlexPlan guy), are really

helpful, not to mention the benefits to the whole cardio system. Nice

to be 48 and be able to swap clothes with my teen-age son.

You can be on my golf league. We'd likely play each other!

Still like my red wine, as someone else here has said, " for sanity, " but

I used to drink a fair amount of bourbon, too, and that's where the

" being honest " part comes in. I cut that way back, and dropped most

caffeine, and I think it is helping. Both were easier to cut out than I

expected. (Good!)

Regards,

--

Clay in MN

Jim wrote:

> Clay I appreciate your info. My hope and prayer is that I can be on an asprin

a day and a controling drug like you. I am also a golfer and have a 16 handicap.

I'd like to keep it at 16. Im only 54. On a good note, I dont drink at all.

Maybe 2 glasses of wine a year if that. I dont smoke anymore. I used to love

those golf course cigars but that is a past chapter in my life. If I had to

drink decafe for the rest of my life I could handle that with ease. I am on the

road to recovery in the weight dept. I go to Weight Watchers meetings and I

should get to my goal weight in about 6 months. This time I need to stay at that

weight and stop eating the donuts.

> Jim

>

--

Clay Haapala clay@...> GPG key 8DB9110D

" It will be interesting to see how the ID movement evolves. "

[Guest guest]

Stef, As of last night I quit using the nose spray entirely. I cannot breath out

of either side right now and it is horriable but I must do this. it will take

maybe a week and hopefully I should be back to normal. I have never used it this

much before. If this is the cause of A-fib i will never use nose spray again

when I have a cold. i will just fight it and live without it. I did go to the

doctor today but it was for the echocardiongram so I only saw a technician. I

dont see the doctor till Friday By then it will be 4 days witout nose spray. I'm

just hoping I did not damage my heart or heart muscle by my abuse of nose spray.

Quarter Acre Orchids quarteracreorchids@...> wrote: by all means SHARE

this with your doctor... when I go to the ER in afib, the first thing they ask

is if I've recently used nose spray, taken cold medication, taken certain

multi-vitamins... you might be in the process of treating something that is a

direct result of your Afrin use and nothing more! I'd hate to see you go

through everything, for something so simple.

And I know how addicting Afrin can be too... my brother (a head and neck

surgeon) is adamant about only using afrin for a day or two at a time..

otherwise you get addicted and feel like you can't breath without it!

I say go cold turkey, or perhaps get some saline nose spray and quit the afrin

and just use saline from now on... might make the withdrawl a little less

harsh... but really... share this information with your cardio.. it's really

important that he know this little fact. He is NOT out to judge you.. he's out

to help you, and he can't without all the facts....

stef

Jim nordic_2@...> wrote:

Stef, You are right and at the risk of sounding like a big dope I must confess

that I have used Afrin for over a year. I am embarrased to say that I've done

this. It has happen in previous years but after a month or two I'd stop using it

and for about a week it is horriable. It takes a week or so for your sinuses to

get back to normal. Well, this year I had a ton of issues, both personally and

corporately so I just did not want to suffer with the withdrawl. I do realize

that now I must stop this and I would not be suprized if the Afib might be

caused by this. At least Im thinking that I dont know if that is fact. I did not

share this tidbit with the cardio doctor.

Quarter Acre Orchids quarteracreorchids@...> wrote: What nose spray

are you on... if you're on Afrin or anything like that, you might want to stop

now.. some of those nose sprays have ingredients which can speed things up,

including your heart.. nose sprays, cold medicine, allergie relief... you'll

learn to read the labels, and learn what to avoid!

I dont know if this is heart related or because I'm using nose spray for a

long time.

[Guest guest]

Clay,

I am a victim of addictions. Last January I went to WW with wife. I lost 49

lbs from January to July 1st. then went of vacation and from that point til 2

weeks ago I gained back the 49 lbs plus 3 additional lbs. I ate more

donuts,cake,cookies,candy then imaginable. Now I am paying the price. I've lost

11 lbs since starting up again and this comming july I am not going to make the

same mistake. That weight does effect the golf swing. Although 272 lbs i am tall

so it does not look that obese but I feel like crap when that heavy. I want to

get to about 205 then I look thin

Clay Haapala clay@...> wrote:

Jim,

Good for you on the Weight Watchers. That's what I did, too, with my

wife. Helps to have an accountability partner. I also did a 1/2 hour

walk most days when I was trying hard to drop weight, and those extra

couple of activity points (if you are a FlexPlan guy), are really

helpful, not to mention the benefits to the whole cardio system. Nice

to be 48 and be able to swap clothes with my teen-age son.

You can be on my golf league. We'd likely play each other!

Still like my red wine, as someone else here has said, " for sanity, " but

I used to drink a fair amount of bourbon, too, and that's where the

" being honest " part comes in. I cut that way back, and dropped most

caffeine, and I think it is helping. Both were easier to cut out than I

expected. (Good!)

Regards,

--

Clay in MN

Jim wrote:

> Clay I appreciate your info. My hope and prayer is that I can be on an asprin

a day and a controling drug like you. I am also a golfer and have a 16 handicap.

I'd like to keep it at 16. Im only 54. On a good note, I dont drink at all.

Maybe 2 glasses of wine a year if that. I dont smoke anymore. I used to love

those golf course cigars but that is a past chapter in my life. If I had to

drink decafe for the rest of my life I could handle that with ease. I am on the

road to recovery in the weight dept. I go to Weight Watchers meetings and I

should get to my goal weight in about 6 months. This time I need to stay at that

weight and stop eating the donuts.

> Jim

>

--

Clay Haapala clay@...> GPG key 8DB9110D

" It will be interesting to see how the ID movement evolves. "

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[Guest guest]

I have used NasalChrom (saline and cromolyn sodium) for symptomatic relief.

That nose spray did not affect my heart rate/rhythm. (Your mileage, of course,

may vary.)

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Re: Concerns from NJ

Stef, As of last night I quit using the nose spray entirely. I cannot breath

out of either side right now and it is horriable but I must do this. it will

take maybe a week and hopefully I should be back to normal. I have never used it

this much before. If this is the cause of A-fib i will never use nose spray

again when I have a cold. i will just fight it and live without it. I did go to

the doctor today but it was for the echocardiongram so I only saw a technician.

I dont see the doctor till Friday By then it will be 4 days witout nose spray.

I'm just hoping I did not damage my heart or heart muscle by my abuse of nose

spray.

Quarter Acre Orchids quarteracreorchids@...> wrote: by all means SHARE

this with your doctor... when I go to the ER in afib, the first thing they ask

is if I've recently used nose spray, taken cold medication, taken certain

multi-vitamins... you might be in the process of treating something that is a

direct result of your Afrin use and nothing more! I'd hate to see you go

through everything, for something so simple.

And I know how addicting Afrin can be too... my brother (a head and neck

surgeon) is adamant about only using afrin for a day or two at a time..

otherwise you get addicted and feel like you can't breath without it!

I say go cold turkey, or perhaps get some saline nose spray and quit the

afrin and just use saline from now on... might make the withdrawl a little less

harsh... but really... share this information with your cardio.. it's really

important that he know this little fact. He is NOT out to judge you.. he's out

to help you, and he can't without all the facts....

stef

Jim nordic_2@...> wrote:

Stef, You are right and at the risk of sounding like a big dope I must

confess that I have used Afrin for over a year. I am embarrased to say that I've

done this. It has happen in previous years but after a month or two I'd stop

using it and for about a week it is horriable. It takes a week or so for your

sinuses to get back to normal. Well, this year I had a ton of issues, both

personally and corporately so I just did not want to suffer with the withdrawl.

I do realize that now I must stop this and I would not be suprized if the Afib

might be caused by this. At least Im thinking that I dont know if that is fact.

I did not share this tidbit with the cardio doctor.

Quarter Acre Orchids quarteracreorchids@...> wrote: What nose

spray are you on... if you're on Afrin or anything like that, you might want to

stop now.. some of those nose sprays have ingredients which can speed things up,

including your heart.. nose sprays, cold medicine, allergie relief... you'll

learn to read the labels, and learn what to avoid!

I dont know if this is heart related or because I'm using nose spray for a

long time.

[Guest guest]

- Jim, good for you,you are doing the right thing. Lots of folks are

reading your posts and thinking about you and wishing you strength.

Hang in there, I know you are going to get through this. Jeanne in

Vt.-- In AFIBsupport , Jim

wrote:

>

> Stef, As of last night I quit using the nose spray entirely. I

cannot breath out of either side right now and it is horriable but I

must do this. it will take maybe a week and hopefully I should be

back to normal. I have never used it this much before. If this is

the cause of A-fib i will never use nose spray again when I have a

cold. i will just fight it and live without it. I did go to the

doctor today but it was for the echocardiongram so I only saw a

technician. I dont see the doctor till Friday By then it will be 4

days witout nose spray. I'm just hoping I did not damage my heart or

heart muscle by my abuse of nose spray.

>

> Quarter Acre Orchids wrote: by all

means SHARE this with your doctor... when I go to the ER in afib,

the first thing they ask is if I've recently used nose spray, taken

cold medication, taken certain multi-vitamins... you might be in the

process of treating something that is a direct result of your Afrin

use and nothing more! I'd hate to see you go through everything,

for something so simple.

>

> And I know how addicting Afrin can be too... my brother (a head

and neck surgeon) is adamant about only using afrin for a day or two

at a time.. otherwise you get addicted and feel like you can't

breath without it!

>

> I say go cold turkey, or perhaps get some saline nose spray and

quit the afrin and just use saline from now on... might make the

withdrawl a little less harsh... but really... share this

information with your cardio.. it's really important that he know

this little fact. He is NOT out to judge you.. he's out to help

you, and he can't without all the facts....

>

> stef

>

> Jim wrote:

> Stef, You are right and at the risk of sounding like a big dope

I must confess that I have used Afrin for over a year. I am

embarrased to say that I've done this. It has happen in previous

years but after a month or two I'd stop using it and for about a

week it is horriable. It takes a week or so for your sinuses to get

back to normal. Well, this year I had a ton of issues, both

personally and corporately so I just did not want to suffer with the

withdrawl. I do realize that now I must stop this and I would not be

suprized if the Afib might be caused by this. At least Im thinking

that I dont know if that is fact. I did not share this tidbit with

the cardio doctor.

>

> Quarter Acre Orchids wrote: What

nose spray are you on... if you're on Afrin or anything like that,

you might want to stop now.. some of those nose sprays have

ingredients which can speed things up, including your heart.. nose

sprays, cold medicine, allergie relief... you'll learn to read the

labels, and learn what to avoid!

>

>

> I dont know if this is heart related or because I'm using nose

spray for a long time.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I lost ~45 lbs, but took about 18 months to do it. The time didn't

bother me, as the benefits were there more and more. I've gained 12 of

it back, and so am going back to meetings and will start keeping track.

With good food choices and portion control, thermodynamics will

eventually be on our side. :-)

I have no idea what AFIB would feel like if I was toting around 8

additional sacks of flour around my middle, and I don't wanna know.

Hmm. Having just read most of the book, " Stop Inflammation Now! " I'm

sure that doctor would be of the opinion that dropping the quantities of

baked and sweet goods, as you are doing now, should have a positive

effect on your AFIB. Hope so!

Best wishes for success,

--

Clay in MN

Jim wrote:

> Clay,

> I am a victim of addictions. Last January I went to WW with wife. I lost 49

lbs from January to July 1st. then went of vacation and from that point til 2

weeks ago I gained back the 49 lbs plus 3 additional lbs. I ate more

donuts,cake,cookies,candy then imaginable. Now I am paying the price. I've lost

11 lbs since starting up again and this comming july I am not going to make the

same mistake. That weight does effect the golf swing. Although 272 lbs i am tall

so it does not look that obese but I feel like crap when that heavy. I want to

get to about 205 then I look thin

>

> Clay Haapala clay@...> wrote:

> Jim,

>

> Good for you on the Weight Watchers. That's what I did, too, with my

> wife. Helps to have an accountability partner. I also did a 1/2 hour

> walk most days when I was trying hard to drop weight, and those extra

> couple of activity points (if you are a FlexPlan guy), are really

> helpful, not to mention the benefits to the whole cardio system. Nice

> to be 48 and be able to swap clothes with my teen-age son.

>

> You can be on my golf league. We'd likely play each other!

>

> Still like my red wine, as someone else here has said, " for sanity, " but

> I used to drink a fair amount of bourbon, too, and that's where the

> " being honest " part comes in. I cut that way back, and dropped most

> caffeine, and I think it is helping. Both were easier to cut out than I

> expected. (Good!)

>

> Regards,

> --

> Clay in MN

>

> Jim wrote:

>

>> Clay I appreciate your info. My hope and prayer is that I can be on an asprin

a day and a controling drug like you. I am also a golfer and have a 16 handicap.

I'd like to keep it at 16. Im only 54. On a good note, I dont drink at all.

Maybe 2 glasses of wine a year if that. I dont smoke anymore. I used to love

those golf course cigars but that is a past chapter in my life. If I had to

drink decafe for the rest of my life I could handle that with ease. I am on the

road to recovery in the weight dept. I go to Weight Watchers meetings and I

should get to my goal weight in about 6 months. This time I need to stay at that

weight and stop eating the donuts.

>> Jim

>>

>>

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