omega oil, maagnesium and coumidin

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I am on coumidin and asked the coag. clinic about taking a magnesium

supplement and omega oil. They indicated that the omega oil can affect

my level and that I shouldn't take it. I'm wondering if they are just

being overly cautious. Is there any downside to taking magnesium? What

is a common dose?

Thank you all for you kind, supportive answers. I have learned so much

since I joined this group a few weeks ago.

Kathy C.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/06 12:46:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,

kathycantrell@... writes:

> Is there any downside to taking magnesium? What

> is a common dose?

>

The downside is the laxative effect, but your body adjusts to it. I started

at 200 mgs a day and now take 200 mgs three times a day for a total of 600mgs.

My doc said that 1200 is about the max before the kidneys get annoyed though

I know others take upward of 1600 without problem. I read on a medical

website that in 1200 mgs a day, your body is getting about 160 mgs of USABLE

magnesium. I'm not sure what that means. I just know that by building up

slowly, I

avoided most of the laxative effect. Also, check your meds because the

magnesium can block the absorbtion of some of them (like digoxin). Since I'm on

digoxin 2x a day, I have to time the meds and the magnesium carefully to avoid

blocking the absorption of the digoxin.

Toni

CA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/06 6:12:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,

ggheld@... writes:

> as different

> forms of it have different absorption rates, magnesium glycinate

> generally thought to be the most bioavailable.

I thought that magnesium citrate was the most absorbable. Has this changed?

Toni

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy - the common thread with anticoagulation is to be consistent... if you

eat spinach every day, then eat spinach every day and adjust your coumadin

accordingly.. if you take omega oil every day, then your coumadin should be able

to be regulated accordingly. consistency is the key. If, on a consistent dose

of oil, your INR still fluctuates, I would skip it... I don't know the

properties of oemga oil.

as for magnesium... I'm not sure I've heard that that has any effect on INR.

I take 500 mg per day, and have never noticed a change when I forget for a few

days.

Stef

Kathy kathycantrell@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I am on coumidin and asked the coag. clinic about taking a magnesium

supplement and omega oil. They indicated that the omega oil can affect

my level and that I shouldn't take it. I'm wondering if they are just

being overly cautious. Is there any downside to taking magnesium? What

is a common dose?

Thank you all for you kind, supportive answers. I have learned so much

since I joined this group a few weeks ago.

Kathy C.

[Guest guest]

> I am on coumidin and asked the coag. clinic about taking a

magnesium

> supplement and omega oil. They indicated that the omega oil can

affect

> my level and that I shouldn't take it. I'm wondering if they are

just

> being overly cautious. Is there any downside to taking

magnesium? What

> is a common dose?

Kathy: For mature women, the RDA of magnesium is 320 mg. There is

no limit to the intake of dietary magnesium. For supplemental

magnesium you have to be careful of the bioavailability as different

forms of it have different absorption rates, magnesium glycinate

generally thought to be the most bioavailable. If you use that form

I'd start with one of the 60 mg pills for a few days, see if that

affects your bowel m ovements; increase if not, etc. If you use a

different form you might want to start with a larger amount.

Magnesium is not thought to interfere with coumadin.

IMHO, taking a lot of oils regularly is good for many reasons; among

them is that by doing so I require less coumdadin to achieve the INR

of 2.0 - 3.0.

Here's a good link to start your investigation:

http://www.dietpower.com/Help/diet/magnesium.htm

And the government treatise with a chart of magnesium content of

foods: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium.asp

Interestingly enough the government link is easier to follow, for me

at least. One chart addresses the bioavailability issue.

Gordon

[Guest guest]

> ggheld@s... writes:

>

> > as different

> > forms of it have different absorption rates, magnesium glycinate

> > generally thought to be the most bioavailable.

>

> I thought that magnesium citrate was the most absorbable. Has

this changed?

Toni: The PDR for Nutritional Supplements makes no distinction

between apsorption of the different forms of magnesium; however they

did run tests of " throughput " so to speak with the following result:

Oxide Tends to firm stools

Glycinate A very gentle form, easier on the system

Citrate Tends to loosen stools

Sulfate Tends to loosen stools

Chloride Tends to loosen stools

I think the old wives tales have always been that oxide didn't

absorp well and the others were about equal. Perhaps the above

certifies that.

Gordon

[Guest guest]

Oxide Tends to firm stools

Glycinate A very gentle form, easier on the system

Citrate Tends to loosen stools

Sulfate Tends to loosen stools

Chloride Tends to loosen stools

I think the old wives tales have always been that oxide didn't

absorp well and the others were about equal. Perhaps the above

certifies that.

--------------

Thanks, Gordon. None of the medical sites I went to said any of that. Just

that magnesium oxide was the cheapest but least effective and absorbable, and

citrate was the most absorbable (and still inexpensive). Good to know that

other types are about equal ... thanks.

Toni

CA

[Guest guest]

OK Gordon, fount of knowledge,

do you know if any of these can make pee turn flourescent yellow/green?

Omega 3s and mag come in soft gel capsules.

LJ

[Guest guest]

>

> OK Gordon, fount of knowledge,

>

> do you know if any of these can make pee turn flourescent

yellow/green?

>

> Omega 3s and mag come in soft gel capsules.

LJ: The only non-prescription stuff I know of that makes urine

yellow/green is Vitamin B-2. What else is in the soft get capsule you

use besides the fish oil and mag.?

The color is harmless, or so they say.

Gordon

[Guest guest]

Gee, LJ, this isn't exactly the sort of conversation I like to join, but

just to reassure you, that's what happens to me after I take my morning fish

oil, magnesium, vitamins, and toprol and flecainide.

Re: omega oil, maagnesium and coumidin

>

> OK Gordon, fount of knowledge,

>

> do you know if any of these can make pee turn flourescent

yellow/green?

>

> Omega 3s and mag come in soft gel capsules.

LJ: The only non-prescription stuff I know of that makes urine

yellow/green is Vitamin B-2. What else is in the soft get capsule you

use besides the fish oil and mag.?

The color is harmless, or so they say.

Gordon

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[Guest guest]

Gordon,

Actually, I added 2 new capsules lately. Salmon Oil is 1, Flax Oil the other.

The gel capsules are transparent and highly yellow/gold.

I also added the full 8 B vitamins complex - in a single opaque pill that is

white/orange flecks.

I'm really getting adventuresome with supplements because I just don't feel much

like eating.

Advice appreciated.

LJ

[Guest guest]

,

> Actually, I added 2 new capsules lately. Salmon Oil is 1, Flax

Oil the other.

> The gel capsules are transparent and highly yellow/gold.

>

> I also added the full 8 B vitamins complex - in a single opaque

pill that is white/orange flecks.

>

> I'm really getting adventuresome with supplements because I just

don't feel much like eating.

LJ. The Vitamin B2 in you multiple is your liquid coloring agent.

Ever try grinding flax seeds in a coffee grinder and putting a

tablespoon or so on cereal or salad. Has a nutty taste and the seed

gives you not only the oil but lots of fiber as well. Be sure to

grind them, though, or they'll go straight through intact.

I'd be careful about replacing real food with supplements. Dr. Weil

has quite a treatise on that. Basically he says that we're now in

the medical age of reductionism; i.e., we take a plant and try to

reduce it to just the operative ingredient we want. By doing so we

are wasting other ingredients that may also be operative on other

levels. Particularly the high colored vegetable and fruits,

(peppers, blueberries, etc.,) should be eaten intact as there are

many layers of benefit.

For example, fiber can help either diarrhea or constipation. Try

and find a single pill that will do that.

Gordon

[Guest guest]

For those of you who, like me, take fish oil for the Omega 3 value,

please look for supplements that are filtered so that you are not

getting heavy metals with your fish oil. As I understand it,

unfiltered fish oil could well contain mercury that would do you more

harm than good.

>

> Gordon,

> Actually, I added 2 new capsules lately. Salmon Oil is 1, Flax Oil

the other.

> The gel capsules are transparent and highly yellow/gold.

>

> I also added the full 8 B vitamins complex - in a single opaque pill

that is white/orange flecks.

>

> I'm really getting adventuresome with supplements because I just

don't feel much like eating.

>

> Advice appreciated.

> LJ

>

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