Re: Volunteer FF treating patients

[Guest guest]

So Chuck,

What about AEDs located in public buildings such as stadiums and airports?

Or are there no AEDs in public buildings in these states?

GG

>

> In a message dated 01-Mar-06 13:04:51 Central Standard Time, 

> bdaley4@... writes:

>

> The  common layperson can use an AED, and even purchase one without a

> prescription  now.  So, if you carry one, you can use it, if trained to do 

> so.

> Bruce

>

>

>

> Not so in Louisiana. I'm not sure about Missouri  yet, as I've just got

> here...

>

> but in Louisiana, if you are officially trained,  you are supposed to be

> part

> of an organized group and have a medical director  before being able to

> 'own'

> an AED...at least that was the case 3 years ago when  two different first

> responder outfits contacted me to help them set up their AED  programs.

>

> ck

>

> S. Krin, DO  FAAFP

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So Chuck,

What about AEDs located in public buildings such as stadiums and airports?

Or are there no AEDs in public buildings in these states?

GG

>

> In a message dated 01-Mar-06 13:04:51 Central Standard Time, 

> bdaley4@... writes:

>

> The  common layperson can use an AED, and even purchase one without a

> prescription  now.  So, if you carry one, you can use it, if trained to do 

> so.

> Bruce

>

>

>

> Not so in Louisiana. I'm not sure about Missouri  yet, as I've just got

> here...

>

> but in Louisiana, if you are officially trained,  you are supposed to be

> part

> of an organized group and have a medical director  before being able to

> 'own'

> an AED...at least that was the case 3 years ago when  two different first

> responder outfits contacted me to help them set up their AED  programs.

>

> ck

>

> S. Krin, DO  FAAFP

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02-Mar-06 22:40:25 Central Standard Time, Wegandy1938

writes:

So Chuck,

What about AEDs located in public buildings such as stadiums and airports?

Or are there no AEDs in public buildings in these states?

GG

there have actually been discussions about those in the legal circles...and

all I ever got out of Baton Rouge was that the public AEDs were there to be

used...

couldn't get them to see that there was no difference between a 'public' AED

mounted on the wall of an Airport (or a hospital for that matter) and one

carried in the back of a police car driven by a certified First Responder...

may have fought that battle more recently...

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02-Mar-06 22:40:25 Central Standard Time, Wegandy1938

writes:

So Chuck,

What about AEDs located in public buildings such as stadiums and airports?

Or are there no AEDs in public buildings in these states?

GG

there have actually been discussions about those in the legal circles...and

all I ever got out of Baton Rouge was that the public AEDs were there to be

used...

couldn't get them to see that there was no difference between a 'public' AED

mounted on the wall of an Airport (or a hospital for that matter) and one

carried in the back of a police car driven by a certified First Responder...

may have fought that battle more recently...

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Believe that all changed the prescription and medical director requirement

that is about a year ago. Now AED's are available for purchase on the

shelves of Walmart or Cosco.

Jim<

> Not so in Louisiana. I'm not sure about Missouri yet, as I've just got

> here...

>

> but in Louisiana, if you are officially trained, you are supposed to be

> part

> of an organized group and have a medical director before being able to

> 'own'

> an AED...at least that was the case 3 years ago when two different first

> responder outfits contacted me to help them set up their AED programs.

>

> ck

>

> S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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[Guest guest]

Believe that all changed the prescription and medical director requirement

that is about a year ago. Now AED's are available for purchase on the

shelves of Walmart or Cosco.

Jim<

> Not so in Louisiana. I'm not sure about Missouri yet, as I've just got

> here...

>

> but in Louisiana, if you are officially trained, you are supposed to be

> part

> of an organized group and have a medical director before being able to

> 'own'

> an AED...at least that was the case 3 years ago when two different first

> responder outfits contacted me to help them set up their AED programs.

>

> ck

>

> S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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[Guest guest]

The AED's that were being sold in Wal-Mart and Walgreens were being sold as

a " package " deal. At least the ones in Texas were. The package was for

like $1200 and included the AED, pads, and an MD " order " .

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:43 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Volunteer FF treating patients

Believe that all changed the prescription and medical director requirement

that is about a year ago. Now AED's are available for purchase on the

shelves of Walmart or Cosco.

Jim<

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[Guest guest]

Law School Lesson #1 about Louisiana Law. When trying to do anything in LA,

first carefully fold a $100 bill and pass it with your card to the state

official whose attention you want.

Gene G.

In a message dated 3/2/06 23:59:41, Krin135 writes:

>

>

> In a message dated 02-Mar-06 22:40:25 Central Standard Time, Wegandy1938

> writes:

>

> So Chuck,

>

> What about AEDs located in public buildings such as stadiums and airports? 

> Or are there no AEDs in public buildings in these states?

>

> GG

>

>

>

>

>  

>

> there have actually been discussions about those in the legal circles...and

> all I ever got out of Baton Rouge was that the public AEDs were there to be

> used...

>

>  

>

> couldn't get them to see that there was no difference between a 'public'

> AED mounted on the wall of an Airport (or a hospital for that matter) and one

> carried in the back of a police car driven by a certified First Responder...

>

>  

>

> may have fought that battle more recently...

>

>  

>

> S. Krin, DO FAAFP

>

>

>

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

[Guest guest]

Not according to a question I recently posed to DSHS. Specifically, I asked

what would happen if our PD started carrying AED's (we have two) and I, in

my capacity as a police officer (and holding a paramedic license, but not

being actively employed by the police department as a paramedic), were to

carry / use an AED would need medical direction/protocols. I was

speficially told that if they PD placed the AED's in the vehicles and

promulgated a policy for use by police officers, city employees, etc., that

my " usage " of the AED on someone would fall under THIS policy, not under my

" license " as a paramedic, and as such did not require medical direction.

Just my $.02.

Mike

>

> Not in Texas either. A certified person or organization must have

> medical direction to utilize an AED.

>

> Lee

>

> Re: Volunteer FF treating patients

>

>

> In a message dated 01-Mar-06 13:04:51 Central Standard Time,

> bdaley4@... writes:

>

> The common layperson can use an AED, and even purchase one without a

> prescription now. So, if you carry one, you can use it, if trained to

> do so.

> Bruce

>

>

>

> Not so in Louisiana. I'm not sure about Missouri yet, as I've just got

> here...

>

> but in Louisiana, if you are officially trained, you are supposed to be

> part

> of an organized group and have a medical director before being able to

> 'own'

> an AED...at least that was the case 3 years ago when two different

> first

> responder outfits contacted me to help them set up their AED programs.

>

> ck

>

> S. Krin, DO FAAFP

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

(d) Training required. A person acquiring and/or using an AED shall

successfully complete a training course in CPR and AED operation in accordance

with

the guidelines established by the device's manufacturer and as approved by the

American Heart Association, the American Red Cross, other nationally

recognized associations, or the medical director of the local emergency medical

services provider. The person shall maintain that training in accordance with

the

guidelines established by the training association.

<SS><NO>(e) Notification required. A person or entity that acquires an AED

shall immediately notify all local emergency medical service providers of the

existence, physical location and type of d

<SS><NO>(f) Guidelines and procedures for use. Use of an AED shall be in

accordance with the guidelines established as nationally recognized standards

and shall be in accordance with the manufacturer's operating proc