Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I know I am in the minority, but I don't disapprove of him at all. He may be " different, " but I don't think he is " bad. " My roomie and I argue about this. Just going by my gut instincts, and I reserve the right to be wrong. *G* To be great is to be different. ~~Ralph Waldo Emerson PS. , I know that you didn't say he was bad, I'm just using your post to state an opinion about MJ regarding something that is often discussed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rennie My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. What? 's baby said this....hehehe Okay, that was stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Wow! I'm not totally alone. Cool. Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. What? 's baby said this....hehehe Okay, that was stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I'm right there in the minority with you Rennie, and my husband is with us too Jan jantranscribes@... " Typing is my life. " " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. " Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. What? 's baby said this....hehehe Okay, that was stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I will go on record as saying he is deeply disturbed and should not be in charge of children. Having seen what he has done to himself, it is pretty scary to think what he will do (mentally) to the children. Making them go around with blankets on their heads or wearing masks, dangling from a balcony, etc. is certainly not normal behavior. -- I know I am in the minority, but I don't disapprove of him at all. He may be " different, " but I don't think he is " bad. " My roomie and I argue about this Just going by my gut instincts, and I reserve the right to be wrong. *G* To be great is to be different. ~~Ralph Waldo Emerson PS. , I know that you didn't say he was bad, I'm just using your post to state an opinion about MJ regarding something that is often discussed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rennie My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. What? 's baby said this....hehehe Okay, that was stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I'm only gonna say ditto what said. Val Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. What? 's baby said this....hehehe Okay, that was stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I don't think he's bad either. I laugh at his eccentric ways because...well, I can't help it...he's just so darn goofy! I do feel sorry for him, though. I couldn't believe how that Bashir guy ripped him apart after he'd invited him into his home thinking he was getting a chance to tell his side of the story and finally let people behind those walls to see how he lives. That crap was so biased! I don't know that he should be raising children because he IS so screwy. I would probably, well almost definitely, lean toward his not raising children but not because I believe all the allegations. As far as kids sleeping with an adult who is not their parent, the same rules of normalcy don't exactly apply when you're if you think about it. You're a huge pop star and children love, no, they IDOLIZE you. You invite them (and their parents) to stay at Neverland Ranch. You would have them all stay in guest quarters but the kids beg both you and their parents to let them stay in your room with you because the whole day they've run around the park riding rides with you like you're a big kid, too, and they feel they're at a sleep over with their favorite best friend in the whole world (not especially in the same bed; I know he has admitted in the past to sharing his bed with kids, but in this interview, he definitely said he slept on the floor and gave his bed to the child...he absolutely did not at any point say he was in the bed with the child...they both said they argued about who would get the bed and who would get the floor, and took the floor.), so of course you and their parents give in when the kids are begging and you are, after all, . No, I would not think it normal if my husband, plain old Bob , invited boys over to spend the night alone with him in his bedroom in our little two-bedroom house, but he's not , the king of pop, multimillionaire, living at Neverland, helping kids with cancer and bringing underpriveledged children to spend a day of wonder at this amazing place and having them and their parents over for the night where the kids beg to sleep with him. Okay, I'll get off my soap box now. <G> I'm just sayin'...it's not the same. ;D Joy ----Original Message Follows---- To: " Jantranscribes " , <nmtc > Subject: Re: <OT> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:31:25 -0600 Wow! I'm not totally alone. Cool. Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. What? 's baby said this....hehehe Okay, that was stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 IMO... I not only think there is something very wrong with a 44-year-old man inviting other people's children to sleep in his room, but there is something wrong with these parents who do allow their kids to do so. I don't care if the man is MJ, the pope, president, or anyone else, I could never allow my children to go off to sleep with any grown man (or woman for that matter). I also don't care if this grown man is sleeping on the floor in the same room, it's just plain wrong!!! Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools > > > <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. > > What? 's baby said this....hehehe > > Okay, that was stupid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I feel sorry for and the way he has to live his life because of his celebrity status. Even with all that money, the isolation and tabloid coverage and etc. must make life a special kind of hell for him. I felt the Brasheer(sp?) interview was unfairly slanted and I was pleased to see that had an opportunity to present the situation on more of an even keel through his own tape of the event, even though he had no editorial control over the final content of the later shows on him. I watched all the shows about him and ended up thinking that he has a sad lonely life and that he was misjudged and perhaps the molestation thing was something invented to extract a few million from him; that is until I read the court documents of the molestation case 10 years ago: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html When you get to the page, scroll down to the court document in white, after reading that document, underneath it in tiny numerals are links 2,3,4 to the next 3 pages. I'd appreciate hearing anyone's views after reading the court documents. Robyn <OT> > I know I am in the minority, but I don't disapprove of him at all. He may be " different, " but I don't think he is " bad. " My roomie and I argue about this. Just going by my gut instincts, and I reserve the right to be wrong. *G* > > To be great is to be different. ~~Ralph Waldo Emerson > > PS. , I know that you didn't say he was bad, I'm just using your post to state an opinion about MJ regarding something that is often discussed. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rennie > My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 They showed the part of the court document where it started talking about physican contact (tongue in mouth while kissing) on some news show. Apparently, the investigator on the case said that the child never recanted and his description of MJ's genitals evidently was correct when they examined MJ. I really have no comment. As someone else stated, only MJ and these kids know what went on as they were the only ones in his bedroom. The investigator also stated that MJ has an alarm that will go off in his bedroom if someone is approaching the room. I found that interesting. Re: <OT> I feel sorry for and the way he has to live his life because of his celebrity status. Even with all that money, the isolation and tabloid coverage and etc. must make life a special kind of hell for him. I felt the Brasheer(sp?) interview was unfairly slanted and I was pleased to see that had an opportunity to present the situation on more of an even keel through his own tape of the event, even though he had no editorial control over the final content of the later shows on him. I watched all the shows about him and ended up thinking that he has a sad lonely life and that he was misjudged and perhaps the molestation thing was something invented to extract a few million from him; that is until I read the court documents of the molestation case 10 years ago: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html <http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html> When you get to the page, scroll down to the court document in white, after reading that document, underneath it in tiny numerals are links 2,3,4 to the next 3 pages. I'd appreciate hearing anyone's views after reading the court documents. Robyn <OT> > I know I am in the minority, but I don't disapprove of him at all. He may be " different, " but I don't think he is " bad. " My roomie and I argue about this. Just going by my gut instincts, and I reserve the right to be wrong. *G* > > To be great is to be different. ~~Ralph Waldo Emerson > > PS. , I know that you didn't say he was bad, I'm just using your post to state an opinion about MJ regarding something that is often discussed. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rennie > My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com <http://www.renesue.com> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Oops! Make that " physical contact " ! I guess I had " physician " on my mind. I wonder why? LOL RE: <OT> They showed the part of the court document where it started talking about physican contact (tongue in mouth while kissing) on some news show. Apparently, the investigator on the case said that the child never recanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Well, I will say that for a 13-year-old, the boy has excellent grammar and spelling skills! As to whether MJ has ever had sexual contact with male adolescents, I honestly don't know. I'm really impressed with his English G & P skills though! <OT> > I know I am in the minority, but I don't disapprove of him at all. He may be " different, " but I don't think he is " bad. " My roomie and I argue about this. Just going by my gut instincts, and I reserve the right to be wrong. *G* > > To be great is to be different. ~~Ralph Waldo Emerson > > PS. , I know that you didn't say he was bad, I'm just using your post to state an opinion about MJ regarding something that is often discussed. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rennie > My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TO UNSUBSCRIBE send a blank email to NMTC-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I think this is what I LOVE most about this list. Is we do mostly stay on the subject of MT and are always ready to help. It is nice to occasionally discuss other things off topic and not to agree with each other, but it's done in such a respectful way. I just love you guys. p.s. How in the heck do so many other stars, rocks stars, raise their kids? I can think of quite a few....all without masks, being dangled and not paying an out of court settlement for child molestation....lets not forget that MJ did pay that. Re: Can this also be true?-OT schools > > > <snip> That is a blanket statement and there is no way around it. > > What? 's baby said this....hehehe > > Okay, that was stupid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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