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I'm not aware of atorvastatin (Lipitor) being used to treat AF. I

tried it once and experienced muscle pain and had to discontinue it.

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I recall some recent news on this and I saw some report on Hans

Larsens site (Afibbers .com ) earlier on this subject .It is the

muscle risk thing from Statins that scares the hell out of me !

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someone posted a study article very recently that a group of fibbers were

divided into two and of the group that received statins, something like 40% had

no more afib... that's quite an impressive number, for sure... side effects are

still an issue with them, though..

Stef

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Anyone tried atorvastatin for AF?

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Jerry:

I think I may be the one that posted an earlier comment that

atorvastatin (Lipitor) may be helpful in preventing AF. See:

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/26/20/2083>

which was published in June 2005 in the European Heart Journal. The

abstract of the paper says:

" The prevalence and persistence of atrial fibrillation (AF) and the

relative inefficacy of the currently available pharmacotherapy

requires development of new treatment strategies. Recent findings

have suggested a mechanistic link between inflammatory processes and

the development of AF. Epidemiological studies have shown an

association between C-reactive protein and both the presence of AF

and the risk of developing future AF. In case–control studies, C-

reactive protein is significantly elevated in AF patients and is

associated with successful cardioversion. Moreover, C-reactive

protein elevation is more pronounced in patients with persistent AF

than in those with paroxysmal AF. Furthermore, treatment with

glucocorticoids, statins, angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitors,

and angiotensin II receptor blockers seems to reduce recurrence of

AF. Part of this anti-arrhythmic effect may be through anti-

inflammatory activity. This article reviews what is known about

inflammation in genesis and perpetuation of AF, the putative

underlying mechanisms, and possible therapeutic implications for the

inhibition of inflammation as an evolving treatment modality for AF. "

Incidentally, I discussed this with my EP about two weeks ago, and

the thinks both Liptor (by reducing inflamation) and my blood

pressure medicine Diovan also helps to surpress AF (by reducing blood

pressure).

I am not overly concerned by the " muscle weakness " issue related to

statins cited by several. My understanding is that this may occur in

less than 5% of the patients (who then are switched to another method

to control cholesterol) --- but for the remaining 95% their appears

to be a direct dose-related cardiovascular incident reduction.

, Charlotte NC

In NSR for 10 months+, on flecainide 150mg x2, magnesium oxide 250mg,

fish oil concentrate 1000mg x2, Lipitor 20mg, Diovan 160mg.

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In a message dated 1/17/2006 5:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mark@... writes:

rather than just going for a surgical

solution that just leaves the original problem. To me an ablation's

a bit like treating a swollen thumb by cutting the nerves so you

don't feel it any more. Having said that I'll be queueing for an

Mark,

A successful ablation does solve the problem and not cover it up. The

problem is not the origination of the electrical impulse, but the direction it

takes or in an AF state, no direction. It's a tornado whirling around in your

atrium. The successful ablation provides that impulse with the road to take and

stops it from whirling about. A mini maze or full maze accomplishes the same

thing. The problem is solved. I have had a successful ablation (2002)and my

thumb is not swollen.

Rich O

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Jerry, I'm taking atorvastatin (Lipitor) for high cholesterol. I was

having a lot of afib when I started it, but it didn't seem to make any

difference on that score. At the time, I needed to come off Tikosyn

which I had been taking for over a year, but which had ceased to work

for me. I was in afib for 10-12 hours on a daily basis. Now I am

taking Tambocor and haven't had a single episode since my very first

dose. I also take Toprol XL but may be coming off that soon since my bp

is consistently very low (90/50). Won't know until I see my gp

tomorrow, when I will also be tested after 12 weeks on Lipitor. Sandy, NC

jerry3000z wrote:

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I posted an article last week on Atorvastatin. The result of a study

using it was:

" Paroxysmal atrial fibrillation was completely

resolved in 26 (65%) of 40 patients in the treatment group versus 4

(10%) of 40 in the placebo group. "

That's a better success rate than ablations. I'm seeing my cardio

next week (he cancelled my appointment for this Thursday as he had a

lecture!) and will ask him if I can go on Atorvastatin. He may say

no way, but I hope not. I've got low cholestrol anyway so I hope

that's not an issue.

It does seem as if AFib is linked to inflammation in many cases. I

can't help feeling that we need to get to the root cause of AF -

i.e. fixing the inflammation - rather than just going for a surgical

solution that just leaves the original problem. To me an ablation's

a bit like treating a swollen thumb by cutting the nerves so you

don't feel it any more. Having said that I'll be queueing for an

ablation in 5 years time if the success rate goes up and it's not

fixed by drugs by then!

Mark

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> I posted an article last week on Atorvastatin. The result of a study

> using it was:

> " Paroxysmal atrial fibrillation was completely

> resolved in 26 (65%) of 40 patients in the treatment group versus 4

> (10%) of 40 in the placebo group. "

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Do you have a link to the study that you can post? I'd really like to

see it.

If your cholesterol is already low, your doc may not want you to take

Lipitor, which aggressively lowers it. Too low can be bad too.

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I was taught that electricity always takes the path of least

resistance. Could it be that inflammation somehow alters the

resistance overall to a value below the pathways allowing the

electrical impulses free rein - and the impluses somehow exacerbate or

provoke the inflammation, as we feel that AF begets AF? (I'm just an

engineer - so what do I know?)

I also take Atorvastatin calcium 20mg as part of my coctail of pills,

sadly this far, without success as I've been in Permanent AF for about

3 years. I understood it was for cholesterol, but as my cholestrol is

not so high, and my arteries are ok, perhaps the cardiologist knows

this as a side effect. (My underlying cause is dilated cardiomyopathy)

Reading the Patient Information Leaflet it only refers to reduction of

Cholestrol and triglycerides in the blood by lipid regulation and it

does highlight possible problems with underactive thyroid, muscular

problems or a history of heavy alcohol consumption or liver problems.

The leaflet also states that some medicines may interact and mentions

(amongst others) diazepam; medicines to regulate your heart rhythm;

Digoxin warferin oral contraceptives and anti-convulsant for epilepsy

As usual, you'll need to rely on medical advice.

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The full article is at:

http://www.ahjonline.com/article/PIIS0002870305006472/fulltext

If my cholestrol is too low then I'd better get stuck into those

cream buns...

Mark

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> > I posted an article last week on Atorvastatin. The result of a

study

> > using it was:

> > " Paroxysmal atrial fibrillation was completely

> > resolved in 26 (65%) of 40 patients in the treatment group

versus 4

> > (10%) of 40 in the placebo group. "

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> Do you have a link to the study that you can post? I'd really like

to

> see it.

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> If your cholesterol is already low, your doc may not want you to

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> Lipitor, which aggressively lowers it. Too low can be bad too.

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You could be right about the lowering of resistance, or it could be

that the inflammation sensitises the nerve endings. If you have a

sore thumb (going back to my original corollary) then it's very

sensitive to the touch - maybe something similar happens with afib.

Atovastatin is supposed to have very few side effects overall. It

does interact with Amiodarone (like most things). There are rumours

that statins are going to be sold over the counter (i.e. no

prescription needed).

Given that it is only supposed to be used for lowering Cholestrol

and triglycerides, I am not that hopeful that my cardio's going to

agree to my trying it out.

Mark

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A bit like throwing a bucket of sea water over the boat's electrics.

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> You could be right about the lowering of resistance, or it could be

> that the inflammation sensitises the nerve endings. If you have a

> sore thumb (going back to my original corollary) then it's very

> sensitive to the touch - maybe something similar happens with afib.

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Basic electrical theory tells us what you are saying below

to be correct, but nerve impulses, in the heart or elsewhere,

should not be confused with standard copper wire conduction

of electrons from point A to point B. The nervous system is

fundamentally an 'electrochemical' pathway system.

The cells communicate (conduct) with each other along a

pathway of neurons and through a 'conductive' fluid which

we normally call an electrolyte...one neuron doesn't touch

another neuron directly. Instead each neuron in a row

'excites' the next one in line...and so on. So the direct

analogy of " taking the path of least resistance " really

doesn't apply...in my opinion.

One interesting note on this whole subject: Lipids tend to

act as 'insulators' or dielectrics around neurons and perhaps

the statin theory being mentioned frequently here could be

very valid in some strange way.

Having taught basic electricity and electronics to adults for

a number of years sparked my interest in your remarks. Sorry

if I sounded like a school teacher correcting your exams.

S.

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> Mark

> I was taught that electricity always takes the path of least

> resistance. Could it be that inflammation somehow alters the

> resistance overall to a value below the pathways allowing the

> electrical impulses free rein - and the impluses somehow exacerbate or

> provoke the inflammation, as we feel that AF begets AF? (I'm just an

> engineer - so what do I know?)

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