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In a message dated 28-Nov-07 21:05:29 Central Standard Time,

kirkmahon@... writes:

Anybody know of any remedies for severe pain/burn from Jalapeno juice? the

web is ripe with anecdotes, there is no EBM I know of and I have a patient in

terrible pain. I am having a run of this complaint for some reason...

Kirk D. Mahon, MD, ABEM

try heavy or sour cream...the milk fats help clear the system.

We had that problem a couple of years ago at EMStock when one of the chili

cooks inadvertently wiped sweat from his face while chopping Jalapenos...IIRC,

we used copious volumes of water followed with gentle soap.

Alternatively, try the same decon pads (J & J baby shampoo, IIRC) used for

Pepper spray treatment...

ck

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Kirk,

Goldfrank's recommends copious local irrigation and systemic analgesics, and

the reference given is:

LA, Tandberg D, Troutmann WG: Household treatment of " chile burns " of

the hands. J Toxicol clin Toxicol 1987; 25: 483-491.

I don't have access to that article. Maybe you can find it.

The trick seems to be to get it off the skin. My wife swears that yogurt

does the trick for her. Most of the web remedies I have read mention alcohol,

diary products, bleach (which I wouldn't recommend) and baking soda poultice.

If you find something that works, let us know.

Gene G.

>

>

> Anybody know of any remedies for severe pain/burn from Jalapeno juice? the

> web is ripe with anecdotes, there is no EBM I know of and I have a patient in

> terrible pain. I am having a run of this complaint for some reason...

> Kirk D. Mahon, MD, ABEM

>

> 6106 Keller Springs Rd

> Dallas, TX 75248

>

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasems-l@: bbledsoe@...: Wed, 28 Nov

> 2007 12:23:08 -0600Subject: RE: Accredited programs in TX

>

> I know this accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of

> theargument. When you look outside of Texas though, non-accredited

EMSeducation

> programs are problematic. The accreditation issue is inevitable.When the

> DOT/NHTSA people had to remove it from the National Scope ofPractice

requirements,

> there was an immediate push to find alternate ways tomandate accreditation.

> Thus, the NREMT-the largest player in thegame-stepped up and made the changes.

> Accreditation will be required and isunavoidable. If you want your graduates

> to sit for the NREMT exams (mandatedin ~ 39 states), you will have to be

> accredited. In some states (e.g.,Florida) accreditation has always been

required

> and works well.Issues that will be confronting all programs in the future

> are:1. The need for human patient simulators which can cost up to

$250,000each.

> 2. Access to reference libraries.3. Supporting basic science programs (e.g.,

> anatomy and physiologylabs, medical terminology instruction) I know this

> accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of t I know this

> accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of theargument. When you

look

> outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeducation I know thi I know this

> accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of theargument. When you

> look outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeducation programs are

> problematic. The accreditation issue is inevitable.When the DOT/NHTSA people

had to

> remove it from the National Scope ofPractice requiremen I know this

> accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of theargument. When you

look

> outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeduc I know this accreditation

issue

> touches I know this accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of

> theargumentexasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem]

> OnBehalf Of HudsonSent: Wednesday, Novemb er 28, 2007 11:49 AMTo:

> texasems-l@yahoogrotexasems-l@yah: RE: Accredited programs in

TXI'm also

> concerned about some of the college and independent programs whomay have to

> drop paramedic programs because of the cost of the accreditationproces: RE:

> Accredited programs in TXI'm also concerned abou: RE:

> Accredited programs in TXI'm also concerned about some of the

college and

> independent programs whomay have to drop paramedic programs because of the

> cost of the accreditationproces<wbr>s. I have been with 2 programs who have

gone

> through accreditation.<wbr>It's not cheap, and it takes a mountain of

> support. Some might say if theprogram can't go through accreditat: RE:

> Accredited programs in TXI'm also concerned about some of the college and

> independent program: RE: Accredited programs in TXI'm also

>

>

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I've seen/heard vegetable oil and/or shortening being used. You might

check with Tom LeNeveau, as he has experience with this....

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, LP

In a message dated 11/28/2007 9:05:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,

kirkmahon@... writes:

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Anybody know of any remedies for severe pain/burn from Jalapeno juice? the

web is ripe with anecdotes, there is no EBM I know of and I have a patient in

terrible pain. I am having a run of this complaint for some reason...

Kirk D. Mahon, MD, ABEM

6106 Keller Springs Rd

Dallas, TX 75248

To: _texasems-l@yahoogrotexasems-l@_ (mailto:texasems-l@...)

: _bbledsoe@..._ (mailto:bbledsoe@...) : Wed, 28

Nov 2007 12:23:08 -0600Subject: RE: Accredited programs in TX

I know this accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of

theargument. When you look outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeducation

programs are problematic. The accreditation issue is inevitable.When the

DOT/NHTSA people had to remove it from the National Scope ofPractice

requirements,

there was an immediate push to find alternate ways tomandate accreditation.

Thus, the NREMT-the largest player in thegame-stepped up and made the changes.

Accreditation will be required and isunavoidable. If you want your graduates

to sit for the NREMT exams (mandatedin ~ 39 states), you will have to be

accredited. In some states (e.g.,Florida) accreditation has always been

required

and works well.Issues that will be confronting all programs in the future

are:1. The need for human patient simulators which can cost up to $250,000each.

2. Access to reference libraries.3. Supporting basic science programs (e.g.,

anatomy and physiologylabs, medical terminology instruction)I know this

accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of thI know this

accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of theargument. When you

look

outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeducation pI know thisI know this

accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of theargument. When you

look outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeducation programs are

problematic. The accreditation issue is inevitable.When the DOT/NHTSA people

had to

remove it from the National Scope ofPractice requirementI know this

accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of theargument. When you

look

outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeducaI know this accreditation issue

touches a neI know this accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides

of theargument_texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l )

[mailto:_texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l ) ]

OnBehalf Of HudsonSent: Wednesday, Novemb er 28, 2007 11:49 AMTo:

_texasems-l@yahoogrotexasems-l@yah_ (mailto:texasems-l@...) :

RE: Accredited programs in TXI'm also concerned about some of

the college and independent programs whomay have to drop paramedic programs

because of the cost of the accreditationproces: RE: Accredited

programs in TXI'm also concerned abou: RE: Accredited programs in

TXI'm also concerned about some of the college and independent programs whomay

have to drop paramedic programs because of the cost of the

accreditationproces<WBR>s. I have been with 2 programs who have gone through

accreditation.<WBR>It's not cheap, and it takes a mountain of support. Some

might say if

theprogram can't go through accred: RE: Accredited programs in

TXI'm

also concerned about some of the college and independent program: RE:

Accredited programs in TXI'm also

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Anybody know of any remedies for severe pain/burn from Jalapeno juice? the web

is ripe with anecdotes, there is no EBM I know of and I have a patient in

terrible pain. I am having a run of this complaint for some reason...

Kirk D. Mahon, MD, ABEM

6106 Keller Springs Rd

Dallas, TX 75248

To: texasems-l@...: bbledsoe@...: Wed, 28 Nov 2007

12:23:08 -0600Subject: RE: Accredited programs in TX

I know this accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of

theargument. When you look outside of Texas though, non-accredited EMSeducation

programs are problematic. The accreditation issue is inevitable.When the

DOT/NHTSA people had to remove it from the National Scope ofPractice

requirements, there was an immediate push to find alternate ways tomandate

accreditation. Thus, the NREMT-the largest player in thegame-stepped up and made

the changes. Accreditation will be required and isunavoidable. If you want your

graduates to sit for the NREMT exams (mandatedin ~ 39 states), you will have to

be accredited. In some states (e.g.,Florida) accreditation has always been

required and works well.Issues that will be confronting all programs in the

future are:1. The need for human patient simulators which can cost up to

$250,000each. 2. Access to reference libraries.3. Supporting basic science

programs (e.g., anatomy and physiologylabs, medical terminology instruction).4.

Reluctance of hospitals to sign agreements with non-accreditedprograms for

clinical rotations (some of this is being driven by theinsurance companies).5.

Ancillary costs will rise (e.g., mandated clinical instructors,preceptors).These

issues, and others, is driving EMS education to the public collegesand

universities where there is tax support and economy of scale. There isno sense

fighting it. It will happen. As we have been developing the on-lineprograms

through UNLV we have always planned and will have nationalaccreditation (both at

the University and at the cooperating schools in thevarious states).

Non-accredited programs should begin planning foraccreditation.Do I think it is

right? Not necessarily-but the cards have been dealt. Toquote Darwin, " We must

evolve or die. " BEBFrom: texasems-l

[mailto:texasems-l ] OnBehalf Of HudsonSent: Wednesday,

November 28, 2007 11:49 AMTo: texasems-l@...: RE:

Accredited programs in TXI'm also concerned about some of the

college and independent programs whomay have to drop paramedic programs because

of the cost of the accreditationprocess. I have been with 2 programs who have

gone through accreditation.It's not cheap, and it takes a mountain of support.

Some might say if theprogram can't go through accreditation, then they are not

worth keepingaround. However, there are some exceptional programs that just

don't havethe cash to do it. Hopefully, Dishes and GETAC will muster up and help

withthe expenses and provide tech assistance to programs seeking the

nowmandatory accreditation(even though THEY did not make it mandatory).

Thisshould be a top priority for the GETAC Education Committee.-MH[Non-text

portions of this message have been removed]

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Gene,

Alcohol only works if consumed.

As an antidote, if memory serves, sugar water has proved beneficial in at

least one study. However, I don't buy it. My solution is vegetable oil.

Capsaicin is an oil. Use benign vegetable oil to " lift and separate " the

malignant oil, then use a good detergent to dissolve and remove both.

Or you could just work to become desensitized to the little rascal by eating

more good chilis.

Donn

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:05 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Jalapeno Hands

Anybody know of any remedies for severe pain/burn from Jalapeno juice? the

web is ripe with anecdotes, there is no EBM I know of and I have a patient

in terrible pain. I am having a run of this complaint for some reason...

Kirk D. Mahon, MD, ABEM

6106 Keller Springs Rd

Dallas, TX 75248

To: texasems-l@yahoogro <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.comFrom>

ups.comFrom: bbledsoe (AT) earthlink (DOT) <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.netDate>

netDate: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:23:08 -0600Subject: RE: Accredited

programs in TX

I know this accreditation issue touches a nerve. I see both sides of

theargument. When you look outside of Texas though, non-accredited

EMSeducation programs are problematic. The accreditation issue is

inevitable.When the DOT/NHTSA people had to remove it from the National

Scope ofPractice requirements, there was an immediate push to find alternate

ways tomandate accreditation. Thus, the NREMT-the largest player in

thegame-stepped up and made the changes. Accreditation will be required and

isunavoidable. If you want your graduates to sit for the NREMT exams

(mandatedin ~ 39 states), you will have to be accredited. In some states

(e.g.,Florida) accreditation has always been required and works well.Issues

that will be confronting all programs in the future are:1. The need for

human patient simulators which can cost up to $250,000each. 2. Access to

reference libraries.3. Supporting basic science programs (e.g., anatomy and

physiologylabs, medical terminology instruction).4. Reluctance of hospitals

to sign agreements with non-accreditedprograms for clinical rotations (some

of this is being driven by theinsurance companies).5. Ancillary costs will

rise (e.g., mandated clinical instructors,preceptors).These issues, and

others, is driving EMS education to the public collegesand universities

where there is tax support and economy of scale. There isno sense fighting

it. It will happen. As we have been developing the on-lineprograms through

UNLV we have always planned and will have nationalaccreditation (both at the

University and at the cooperating schools in thevarious states).

Non-accredited programs should begin planning foraccreditation.Do I think it

is right? Not necessarily-but the cards have been dealt. Toquote Darwin, " We

must evolve or die. " BEBFrom: texasems-l@yahoogro

<mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro

<mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com] OnBehalf Of

HudsonSent: Wednesday, Novemb er 28, 2007 11:49 AMTo: texasems-l@yahoogro

<mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.comSubject> ups.comSubject: RE:

Accredited programs in TXI'm also concerned about some of the

college and independent programs whomay have to drop paramedic programs

because of the cost of the accreditationprocess. I have been with 2 programs

who have gone through accreditation.It's not cheap, and it takes a mountain

of support. Some might say if theprogram can't go through accreditation,

then they are not worth keepingaround. However, there are some exceptional

programs that just don't havethe cash to do it. Hopefully, Dishes and GETAC

will muster up and help withthe expenses and provide tech assistance to

programs seeking the nowmandatory accreditation(even though THEY did not

make it mandatory). Thisshould be a top priority for the GETAC Education

Committee.-MH

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I'd treat it like any other chemical burn. Flush with cold water for

several minutes. Make sure the patient avoids touching areas like the eyes or

other sensitive tissues.

Kirk

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I have seen police officers who were inadvertently maced in a free-for-all,

4-cops-vs-1-BIG-guy melee (the 5th cop showed up with the Family Sized OC and

carpet-maced the entire crowd) use Coca Cola. Pour it in a towel and wipe

everything that burns. Worked surprisingly well, although I wouldn't use it to

irrigate the eyes.

Phil Reynolds Jr.

115 Harold Dr.

Burnet, TX., 78611

HP

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If all else fails - when you eat more nachos, burgers, Tex-Mex, etc. - just lick

your fingers and you can dispense with having to add peppers. This may actually

save you money.

Hope you don't wear contact lens and need to change them out.

>>> 11/29/07 12:45 PM >>>

I'd treat it like any other chemical burn. Flush with cold water for

several minutes. Make sure the patient avoids touching areas like the eyes or

other sensitive tissues.

Kirk

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I found a fat (butter for me) will break up the burning. And then a gentle

detergent to get it off the face worked the best.

Tom

Jalapeno Butter face

Tom & Marsha LeNeveu

Paramedic, Future RN; & RN

Fort Worth Texas

Email: TomMarshaLeNeveu@...

yahoo Group: Christian_Medic

RE:

Accredited programs in TXI'm also concerned about some of the

college and independent programs whomay have to drop paramedic programs

because of the cost of the accreditationproces s. I have been with 2 programs

who have gone through accreditation. It's not cheap, and it takes a mountain

of support. Some might say if theprogram can't go through accreditation,

then they are not worth keepingaround. However, there are some exceptional

programs that just don't havethe cash to do it. Hopefully, Dishes and GETAC

will muster up and help withthe expenses and provide tech assistance to

programs seeking the nowmandatory accreditation( even though THEY did not

make it mandatory). Thisshould be a top priority for the GETAC Education

Committee.-MH[ Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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