Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to get some other people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of answers from my friends. Do you think it's better to go straight from EMT-B to Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, then go up to Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my Intermediate done, practice at that level for a while, then make the final step to Paramedic. Is it hard to find Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? I'm just looking for a little insight! Thanks everyone! -Ben Oakley, EMTB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Ben: As you know by now, almost everyone has an opinion on this list. Seeing as you don't get enough emails from me, I'll jump in with my thoughts on this. Seeing as it is very hard to find an EMT-I to EMT-P completer course, I'd recommend going straight throught.  EMT-I is the foundation of advanced practice with advanced airway and IV/medication administration. EMT-P is a logical progression, adding mostly pharmacology and cardiology. In short, my answer is go for your paramedic. It's one of the best things I've done. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P Intermediate/Paramedic Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to get some other people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of answers from my friends. Do you think it's better to go straight from EMT-B to Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, then go up to Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my Intermediate done, practice at that level for a while, then make the final step to Paramedic. Is it hard to find Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? I'm just looking for a little insight! Thanks everyone! -Ben Oakley, EMTB ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 The other thing to consider is the intermediate level as we know it, is basically being eliminated from the national scope in the next few years. Will be renamed AEMT. Jim< Intermediate/Paramedic Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to get some other people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of answers from my friends. Do you think it's better to go straight from EMT-B to Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, then go up to Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my Intermediate done, practice at that level for a while, then make the final step to Paramedic. Is it hard to find Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? I'm just looking for a little insight! Thanks everyone! -Ben Oakley, EMTB ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aol cmp00050000000003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Howdy, While there may be some personal reasons going from Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend it. I don't to anyone who asks me. I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 as an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and I think that is the best way to go. You need to allow yourself time to develop that schema as a basic provider because guess what... what does it say in the middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at heart, you always start assessment from basic then move up to your advanced skills. I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the needles and poking holes when they just need to calm down and provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years as an intermediate plus please please get your basic experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER paramedic. My $.02 --- Ben Oakley wrote: > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to > get some other > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > answers from my > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > from EMT-B to > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > then go up to > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > Intermediate done, > practice at that level for a while, then make the > final step to > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > Thanks everyone! > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 In a message dated 11/28/2007 2:56:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, Grayson902@... writes: If you take the I-85 curriculum, the added knowledge is not all that extensive, and you'll just hear it repeated in the early parts of paramedic school. It certainly won't save you any time. Having completed the I-85 class here in Texas (but dumb idiot me blew the 2-year window to certify, stupid idiot, beating head on the door as I type this) I think 's point is very much a correct one. Now I'm not the new EMT-B kid on the block as I've had a card since 1981, teaching since 1985 etc, and I have been on the street nearly that whole time in an operational capacity etc so maybe it's not a fair analogy but I really didn't learn much stuff in the I-85 class and in fact I was more into the role of in-class mentor for the rest of the students who were all relatively new EMT-B's. They had on average maybe 18-22 month of card time and most were active on Texas A & M's College EMS agency, a few were also working on non 9-1-1 trucks and or in some other medical clinical capacity, nearly all were truly full time Aggies. I know that I could see them learning stuff but since many had already had some street time it was not a huge jump for them knowledge wise. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 In a message dated 11/28/2007 3:07:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: -Authorized to practice as a paramedic in Texas - May the God of your choice protect you Damn PCness Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 , I've had the privilege to work with Ben (with both of us as EMT-Bs) for the better part of 2007 at a small volunteer service. Ben has been assiduous about seeking opportunities (which are often limited in the Austin area) to work as an EMT while maintaing a full-time " career " as a college student. I definitely agree that some EMS people need experience at each certification level before finally making the jump to paramedic.? Ben's EMT-B experience coupled with his education, in my opinion, makes him ready to make the jump to a paramedic class, if that's what he wants. The one common factor I've found in people successfully becoming, then practicing as, paramedics is their desire to be a paramedic.? I think Ben's got the desire. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P Austin, Texas Re: Intermediate/Paramedic Howdy, While there may be some personal reasons going from Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend it. I don't to anyone who asks me. I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 as an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and I think that is the best way to go. You need to allow yourself time to develop that schema as a basic provider because guess what... what does it say in the middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at heart, you always start assessment from basic then move up to your advanced skills. I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the needles and poking holes when they just need to calm down and provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years as an intermediate plus please please get your basic experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER paramedic. My $.02 --- Ben Oakley wrote: > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to > get some other > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > answers from my > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > from EMT-B to > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > then go up to > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > Intermediate done, > practice at that level for a while, then make the > final step to > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > Thanks everyone! > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Not a problem, I was stating an opinion which is what he asked. Jimenez, BS, EMT-P Austin, TX --- Wes Ogilvie wrote: > , > > I've had the privilege to work with Ben (with both > of us as EMT-Bs) for the better part of 2007 at a > small volunteer service. > > Ben has been assiduous about seeking opportunities > (which are often limited in the Austin area) to work > as an EMT while maintaing a full-time " career " as a > college student. > > I definitely agree that some EMS people need > experience at each certification level before > finally making the jump to paramedic.? Ben's EMT-B > experience coupled with his education, in my > opinion, makes him ready to make the jump to a > paramedic class, if that's what he wants. > > The one common factor I've found in people > successfully becoming, then practicing as, > paramedics is their desire to be a paramedic.? I > think Ben's got the desire. > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P > Austin, Texas > > > Re: Intermediate/Paramedic > > > > > > > Howdy, > > While there may be some personal reasons going from > Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend > it. > I don't to anyone who asks me. > > I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 > as > an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and > I > think that is the best way to go. You need to allow > yourself time to develop that schema as a basic > provider because guess what... what does it say in > the > middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at > heart, you always start assessment from basic then > move up to your advanced skills. > > I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the > mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the > needles > and poking holes when they just need to calm down > and > provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. > > Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years > as > an intermediate plus please please get your basic > experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER > paramedic. > > My $.02 > > --- Ben Oakley wrote: > > > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted > to > > get some other > > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > > answers from my > > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > > from EMT-B to > > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > > then go up to > > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > > Intermediate done, > > practice at that level for a while, then make the > > final step to > > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > > > Thanks everyone! > > > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 No problem. That's what I love about this list. We've all got opinions. And after I hit " send, "  I realize it sounded like a recommedation letter for Ben. I'll have to do something to him later to remind him he's not as special as I said. ;-) (Unless special refers to education....) Be safe. -Wes Re: Intermediate/Paramedic > > > > > > > Howdy, > > While there may be some personal reasons going from > Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend > it. > I don't to anyone who asks me. > > I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 > as > an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and > I > think that is the best way to go. You need to allow > yourself time to develop that schema as a basic > provider because guess what... what does it say in > the > middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at > heart, you always start assessment from basic then > move up to your advanced skills. > > I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the > mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the > needles > and poking holes when they just need to calm down > and > provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. > > Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years > as > an intermediate plus please please get your basic > experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER > paramedic. > > My $.02 > > --- Ben Oakley wrote: > > > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted > to > > get some other > > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > > answers from my > > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > > from EMT-B to > > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > > then go up to > > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > > Intermediate done, > > practice at that level for a while, then make the > > final step to > > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > > > Thanks everyone! > > > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 In my opinion, if you are already an experienced EMT-Basic, getting your EMT-I certification is a wasted step if your end goal is becoming a paramedic. If you take the I-85 curriculum, the added knowledge is not all that extensive, and you'll just hear it repated in the early parts of paramedic school. It certainly won't save you any time. If you take the I-99 curriculum, you might as well just take the paramedic course and be done with it. Personally, I really want to get my Intermediate done, practice at that level for a while, then make the final step to Paramedic. Intermediate/Paramedic Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to get some other people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of answers from my friends. Do you think it's better to go straight from EMT-B to Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, then go up to Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my Intermediate done, practice at that level for a while, then make the final step to Paramedic. Is it hard to find Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? I'm just looking for a little insight! Thanks everyone! -Ben Oakley, EMTB ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I waited 4 yrs between each of mine. The yr before I expired, I started the next level. I always told my students that it is best to stay at one level for a few yrs to get some experience before going on to the next level. I think that we have all seen those that go from EMT to Paramedic and have no street sense except for the time they have on an ambulance going clinicals. At least the other way, they have some time under their belt before going to the next level. Wayne Jimenez wrote: Howdy, While there may be some personal reasons going from Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend it. I don't to anyone who asks me. I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 as an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and I think that is the best way to go. You need to allow yourself time to develop that schema as a basic provider because guess what... what does it say in the middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at heart, you always start assessment from basic then move up to your advanced skills. I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the needles and poking holes when they just need to calm down and provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years as an intermediate plus please please get your basic experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER paramedic. My $.02 --- Ben Oakley wrote: > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to > get some other > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > answers from my > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > from EMT-B to > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > then go up to > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > Intermediate done, > practice at that level for a while, then make the > final step to > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > Thanks everyone! > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Yeah, what said.? <GRIN> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P, LP -Authorized to practice as a paramedic in Texas - May the God of your choice protect you! Intermediate/Paramedic Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to get some other people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of answers from my friends. Do you think it's better to go straight from EMT-B to Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, then go up to Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my Intermediate done, practice at that level for a while, then make the final step to Paramedic. Is it hard to find Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? I'm just looking for a little insight! Thanks everyone! -Ben Oakley, EMTB __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Did you really just add that line to your signature? Dare you to make it permament! --- Wes Ogilvie wrote: > Yeah, what said.? <GRIN> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P, LP > -Authorized to practice as a paramedic in Texas - > May the God of your choice protect you! > > > Intermediate/Paramedic > > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to > get some other > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > answers from my > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > from EMT-B to > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > then go up to > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > Intermediate done, > practice at that level for a while, then make the > final step to > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > Thanks everyone! > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Love it - ranks up there with " Abandon all hope, ye who enter here " -VEG Jimenez wrote: Did you really just add that line to your signature? Dare you to make it permament! --- Wes Ogilvie wrote: > Yeah, what said.? <GRIN> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P, LP > -Authorized to practice as a paramedic in Texas - > May the God of your choice protect you! > > > Intermediate/Paramedic > > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to > get some other > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > answers from my > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > from EMT-B to > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > then go up to > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > Intermediate done, > practice at that level for a while, then make the > final step to > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > Thanks everyone! > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 When I got into EMS, my goal was to practice as a Basic for 2 years, then find an EMT-I class. I did that and it worked well for me. I then decided to practice for 2 years as an EMT-I before I went to Paramedic class. Well, I got behind by a year but got into a & White Paramedic class taught by Dr. Moshinski. In August of that year I was teaching Paramedic classes in Temple. Over the years I've had many student that did their training in steps, and many others that went from EMT into Paramedic class. Both types did very good in class and I don't think it is because of the experience (or inexperience) they had. They did well because they knew what they wanted, applied themselves, studied hard and learned not only the material but how to care for injured and ill patients. My favorite part of going to the EMS Conference each year is to see those former students and find out how well they are doing. Bottom line is this: If getting experience at a particular level is the best thing for you to do before " upgrading " , do it. If you think it is better for you to go from the Basic to the Paramedic level, do that. If you really want it, you will attain it. I tell students all the time the vast majority of those that want to become Paramedics usually do. I've only had one student in my career I said, " I think you are better suited to be a tree surgeon. " Just do it. Eddie , EMT-P Education Coordinator National EMS Academy-Texas Acadian Ambulance Service, Inc. 4100 Ed Bluestein \Blvd., Suite 100 Austin, TX 78721 office: cell: ewalker@... From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Wayne D Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:58 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Intermediate/Paramedic I waited 4 yrs between each of mine. The yr before I expired, I started the next level. I always told my students that it is best to stay at one level for a few yrs to get some experience before going on to the next level. I think that we have all seen those that go from EMT to Paramedic and have no street sense except for the time they have on an ambulance going clinicals. At least the other way, they have some time under their belt before going to the next level. Wayne Jimenez <dave911emt@... <mailto:dave911emt%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Howdy, While there may be some personal reasons going from Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend it. I don't to anyone who asks me. I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 as an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and I think that is the best way to go. You need to allow yourself time to develop that schema as a basic provider because guess what... what does it say in the middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at heart, you always start assessment from basic then move up to your advanced skills. I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the needles and poking holes when they just need to calm down and provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years as an intermediate plus please please get your basic experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER paramedic. My $.02 --- Ben Oakley <ben6308@... <mailto:ben6308%40earthlink.net> > wrote: > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to > get some other > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > answers from my > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > from EMT-B to > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > then go up to > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > Intermediate done, > practice at that level for a while, then make the > final step to > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > Thanks everyone! > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 , tis true. He be Texas Paramedic now. What have I done? Eddie , EMT-P Education Coordinator National EMS Academy-Texas Acadian Ambulance Service, Inc. 4100 Ed Bluestein \Blvd., Suite 100 Austin, TX 78721 office: cell: ewalker@... From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Jimenez Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:14 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Intermediate/Paramedic Did you really just add that line to your signature? Dare you to make it permament! --- Wes Ogilvie <ExLngHrn@... <mailto:ExLngHrn%40aol.com> > wrote: > Yeah, what said.? <GRIN> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P, LP > -Authorized to practice as a paramedic in Texas - > May the God of your choice protect you! > > > Intermediate/Paramedic > > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted to > get some other > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > answers from my > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > from EMT-B to > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > then go up to > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > Intermediate done, > practice at that level for a while, then make the > final step to > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > Thanks everyone! > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid =aolcmp00050000000003 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid =aolcmp00050000000003 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -------------------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this communication is confidential and proprietary information intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, distribution, copying, or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately. If you believe this communication is inappropriate or offensive, please contact the Acadian Ambulance Information Systems Department at . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I have a slightly different view. It depends on the program you're going to be in, and it also depends upon the place you're going to get your one or two years field experience. Having run a two year program where students went straight through for the most part, and one that incorporated something like 700 hours of field clinical and internship experiences into the program, I believe I can say reliably that the medics who went straight through did as well or better than those who laid out for a while to get experience. Notice, that was not your average program. It was one of the most comprehensive programs around, and the same would not apply to shorter programs or those that do not have the extensive skills monitoring, mentoring, and good preceptors that we had. We were lucky enough to have a clinical affiliation with the major EMS service that ended up hiring a large majority of our students, and so they viewed the student's clinical experience as being a training ground for working for them and they groomed them to go to work for them. The thing that bothers me about people getting " experience " before moving on is that too often the experience they get is bad. Then the good program must retrain the student out of the bad habits s/he has learned. I much preferred to train my students in the right way to do things, prepare them to be " street ready " and then have them go to work. But, as I say, not all programs are geared to do that well. If one can work for a great service and get great experience, that might be fine if there is not a great program available for Zero to Hero type training. So evaluate the program you're going to be in carefully, and evaluate the services you're going to work in carefully. Then, remember that all learning takes place between your ears, not in the mind of your instructor. Learn the best from your experiences and discard the rest. If you see medics doing sloppy work, using incorrect or less than great procedures and tactics, learn from that as well, but do not think you have to emulate everybody you work with. If you're going to become a medical professional, you will have to make yourself that, and in the process you will learn to separate the wheat from the chaff and make up your own mind about how to do things in the field. Learn to question, question, question. Do not accept things that are told you without verifying. If you do that, It won't make much difference whether or not you go straight through or take time out. I have been known to test classes by coming into a lecture and starting off by telling them absolutely ridiculous, categorically wrong, and absurdly erroneous stuff. Half the time nobody asked a question or challenged me. Question authority! Verify information. Learn on your own. Please deposit $0.25 for the foregoing advice; no warranties either express or implied attach. Other rules may apply. Neither the writer or this list assume any responsibility for the success or failure of anyone reading this post. Not valid after 02/08/2008. Gene G. > > While I'm sure many more people will want to chime in, just wanted to > say thanks for everyone's opinion. I know this is a somewhat > controversial question, so I appreciate everyone's thoughts!!! > > -Ben > > Wes Ogilvie wrote: > > > > > > No problem. That's what I love about this list. We've all got opinions. > > > > And after I hit " send, " I realize it sounded like a recommedation > > letter for Ben. I'll have to do something to him later to remind him > > he's not as special as I said. ;-) (Unless special refers to > > education... e > > > > Be safe. > > -Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > While there may be some personal reasons going from > > > Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend > > > it. > > > I don't to anyone who asks me. > > > > > > I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 > > > as > > > an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and > > > I > > > think that is the best way to go. You need to allow > > > yourself time to develop that schema as a basic > > > provider because guess what... what does it say in > > > the > > > middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at > > > heart, you always start assessment from basic then > > > move up to your advanced skills. > > > > > > I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the > > > mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the > > > needles > > > and poking holes when they just need to calm down > > > and > > > provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. > > > > > > Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years > > > as > > > an intermediate plus please please get your basic > > > experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER > > > paramedic. > > > > > > My $.02 > > > > > > --- Ben Oakley <ben6308@... > > <mailto:ben6308%mailto:ben63mai>> wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted > > > to > > > > get some other > > > > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > > > > answers from my > > > > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > > > > from EMT-B to > > > > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > > > > then go up to > > > > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > > > > Intermediate done, > > > > practice at that level for a while, then make the > > > > final step to > > > > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > > > > Intermediate- Intermediate-<wbr>to- > > > > > > > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone! > > > > > > > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > > > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > > > http://www.yahoo.http://w <http://www.yahoo.http://w> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > > > More new features than ever. 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Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 While I'm sure many more people will want to chime in, just wanted to say thanks for everyone's opinion. I know this is a somewhat controversial question, so I appreciate everyone's thoughts!!! -Ben Wes Ogilvie wrote: > > > No problem. That's what I love about this list. We've all got opinions. > > And after I hit " send, " I realize it sounded like a recommedation > letter for Ben. I'll have to do something to him later to remind him > he's not as special as I said. ;-) (Unless special refers to > education....) > > Be safe. > -Wes > > Re: Intermediate/Paramedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > While there may be some personal reasons going from > > Basic straight to Paramedic, I wouldn't recommend > > it. > > I don't to anyone who asks me. > > > > I personally spent 4 years as a basic and another 2 > > as > > an intermediate before getting a paramedic cert and > > I > > think that is the best way to go. You need to allow > > yourself time to develop that schema as a basic > > provider because guess what... what does it say in > > the > > middle of your red patch? " EMT " . You are an EMT at > > heart, you always start assessment from basic then > > move up to your advanced skills. > > > > I see EMT straight to Paramedic students make the > > mistakes of jumping directly into grabbing the > > needles > > and poking holes when they just need to calm down > > and > > provide basic airway/bleeding control/etc. > > > > Im not saying wait 4 years as a basic then 4 years > > as > > an intermediate plus please please get your basic > > experience first before moving on... makes a BETTER > > paramedic. > > > > My $.02 > > > > --- Ben Oakley <ben6308@... > <mailto:ben6308%40earthlink.net>> wrote: > > > > > Ok, I'm curious about something here, and wanted > > to > > > get some other > > > people's opinions, because I've heard all sorts of > > > answers from my > > > friends. Do you think it's better to go straight > > > from EMT-B to > > > Paramedic? Or, is it better to go to Intermediate, > > > then go up to > > > Paramedic? Personally, I really want to get my > > > Intermediate done, > > > practice at that level for a while, then make the > > > final step to > > > Paramedic. Is it hard to find > > > Intermediate-to-Paramedic programs? > > > > > > I'm just looking for a little insight! > > > > > > Thanks everyone! > > > > > > -Ben Oakley, EMTB > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs <http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > > Mail ! - > > > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp\ 00050000000003> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs <http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp0\ 0050000000003 > <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp\ 00050000000003> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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