A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

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Dudley,

Speaking for myself as a inactive mostly retired coordinator I would like to

know just how you can lump coordinators in a group as worthless do no goods. Now

if that is not what you said, it sure did come across that way. I think the

state of Texas has coordinators that are and have been doing a good job probably

longer than you have been in EMS. Certainly longer than you have been in Texas.

If NR had been put through the process you propose for the coordinators they

surely would not be operating in Texas today.

While I usually find your comments refreshing as someone gung ho in EMS, I

certainly did not feel warm and fuzzy about your comments in regards to Texas

Coordinators. I don't think there is a coordinator in this state that doesn't

have EMS education as a priority. They just may not agree with your concept. If

you are not a coordinator then you should become one immediately so that you may

step up to the plate and be judged.

Just my opinion.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > Howdy my friends:

> >

> > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> y'all

> > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> have

> > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> passed it.

> > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> allegedly

> > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> website

> > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> should have

> > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> not

> > received

> > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> number

> > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> between

> > me and

> > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> off-list,

> > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > " lawyer " on

> > them. LOL)

> >

> > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> recognize

> > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> shouldn't be

> > the

> > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> exam

> > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> recommend the

> > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> extra

> > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> marginal.

> > So,

> > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> thing

> > right -- NR testing.

> >

> > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> becoming

> > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> though,

> > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> when

> > people's finances hang in the balance.

> >

> > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> Louisiana)

> > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> state EMS

> > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > happening in Texas?

> >

> > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> Let's

> > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > Austin, Texas

> >

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[Guest guest]

Exactly and specifically what do we need to overhaul in the coordinator process?

I would like all coordinators to have a minimum of a BS/BA in education, go

through a mentorship program, and all programs be accredited. That will not

happen until Dishes or someone else requires a all paramedics to have an AAS in

EMS. Salaries are also going to have to come up to entice someone to spend 2

years in paramedic school.

At least right now coordinators must have completed a 40 hour instructor course,

served a while teaching, and complete the coordinator program. There are

absolutely no course/education requirements for someone to be an EMS

Administrator. Even though one must be a physician to be an EMS Medical

Director, there is no academy or education programs required.

So....right now, we are stuck with what we have. For the NR issue, coordinators

must be allowed to conduct their own skills verifications as we did until the NR

came along. NR reps could be an option if a program did not want to do skills

verification, or Dishes decided the program was unable to conduct a fair skills

exam.

-MH

________________________________

From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

THEDUDMAN@... [THEDUDMAN@...]

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:47 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Gene,

Most of your posting is no longer relevant now that we have computer testing.? I

have no issue with coordinators being the ones that do the skills testing...but

as has been stated before...if we can't require coordinators to have NR testing

as a part of their class...how can we trust them to test the skills??

Honestly, before we re-do the NR process...lets look at overhauling the

coordinator process, qualifications, and responsibilities.? I for one cannot

accept a coordinator being responsible for skills testing until we have some

better processes, rules and benchmarks in place for what a coordinator should

be.

Jane's explanation of the NR process was one of the most cogent and well stated

emails I have seen on this thread for quiet some time.? Funny thing she said

though (and it is usually " those private ambulance folks " that this gets applied

to) is that coordinators won't do the NR piece because of cost...I.E.

money...and again it boils down to that.

I for one am satisfied with the written testing piece now.? It is easy to

access, results are timely, and the pass rates are at a respectable level (I

hope because we are better preparing our folks to take the test...and not just

that it is easier).? The skills piece is still an issue but I think it could be

better done if it was a requirement of the coordinators to provide it...fix that

and make it work...then I would be willing to talk about coordinators just doing

it at the advanced level.

Dudley

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

>

> ?????? YOU KNOW ME

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > Howdy my friends:

> >

> > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> y'all

> > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> have

> > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> passed it.

> > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> allegedly

> > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> website

> > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> should have

> > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> not

> > received

> > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> number

> > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> between

> > me and

> > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> off-list,

> > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > " lawyer " on

> > them. LOL)

> >

> > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> recognize

> > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> shouldn't be

> > the

> > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> exam

> > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> recommend the

> > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> extra

> > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> marginal.

> > So,

> > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> thing

> > right -- NR testing.

> >

> > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> becoming

> > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> though,

> > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> when

> > people's finances hang in the balance.

> >

> > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> Louisiana)

> > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> state EMS

> > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > happening in Texas?

> >

> > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> Let's

> > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********<wbr>******

> hottest

> > products.

> >

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[Guest guest]

No, the Cuervo.

GG

>

> Gene,

>

> Are you already hitting the egg nog?

>

> Henry

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> > >

> > > Howdy my friends:

> > >

> > > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> > y'all

> > > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> > have

> > > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> > passed it.

> > > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> > allegedly

> > > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> > website

> > > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> > should have

> > > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> > not

> > > received

> > > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> > number

> > > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> > between

> > > me and

> > > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> > off-list,

> > > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > > " lawyer " on

> > > them. LOL)

> > >

> > > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> > recognize

> > > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> > shouldn't be

> > > the

> > > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> > exam

> > > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> > recommend the

> > > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> > extra

> > > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> > marginal.

> > > So,

> > > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> > thing

> > > right -- NR testing.

> > >

> > > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> > becoming

> > > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> > though,

> > > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> > when

> > > people's finances hang in the balance.

> > >

> > > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> > Louisiana)

> > > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> > state EMS

> > > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > > happening in Texas?

> > >

> > > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> > Let's

> > > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>********<<wbr><wbr>*

> > hottest

> > > products.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Mr. Justice Gandy concurs.

GG

>

> Exactly and specifically what do we need to overhaul in the coordinator

> process? I would like all coordinators to have a minimum of a BS/BA in

education,

> go through a mentorship program, and all programs be accredited. That will

> not happen until Dishes or someone else requires a all paramedics to have an

> AAS in EMS. Salaries are also going to have to come up to entice someone to

> spend 2 years in paramedic school.

>

> At least right now coordinators must have completed a 40 hour instructor

> course, served a while teaching, and complete the coordinator program. There

are

> absolutely no course/education requirements for someone to be an EMS

> Administrator. Even though one must be a physician to be an EMS Medical

Director,

> there is no academy or education programs required.

>

> So....right now, we are stuck with what we have. For the NR issue,

> coordinators must be allowed to conduct their own skills verifications as we

did until

> the NR came along. NR reps could be an option if a program did not want to

> do skills verification, or Dishes decided the program was unable to conduct a

> fair skills exam.

>

> -MH

> ____________ ________ ________ _

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On Behalf Of

> THEDUDMAN@... [THEDUDMAN@...]

> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:47 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Gene,

>

> Most of your posting is no longer relevant now that we have computer

> testing.? I have no issue with coordinators being the ones that do the skills

> testing...but as has been stated before...if we can't require coordinators to

have

> NR testing as a part of their class...how can we trust them to test the

> skills??

>

> Honestly, before we re-do the NR process...lets look at overhauling the

> coordinator process, qualifications, and responsibilities. Honestly, before we

> re-do the NR process...lets look at overhauling the coordinator process,

> qualifications, and responsibilities.<wbr>? I for one cannot accept a

coordinator b

>

> Jane's explanation of the NR process was one of the most cogent and well

> stated emails I have seen on this thread for quiet some time.? Funny thing she

> said though (and it is usually " those private ambulance folks " that this gets

> applied to) is that coordinators won't do the NR piece because of cost...I.E.

> money...and again it boils down to that.

>

> I for one am satisfied with the written testing piece now.? It is easy to

> access, results are timely, and the pass rates are at a respectable level (I

> hope because we are better preparing our folks to take the test...and not just

> that it is easier).? The skills piece is still an issue but I think it could

> be better done if it was a requirement of the coordinators to provide

> it...fix that and make it work...then I would be willing to talk about

coordinators

> just doing it at the advanced level.

>

> Dudley

>

> Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

> >

> > ?????? YOU KNOW ME

> > A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> > >

> > > Howdy my friends:

> > >

> > > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> > y'all

> > > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> > have

> > > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> > passed it.

> > > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> > allegedly

> > > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> > website

> > > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> > should have

> > > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> > not

> > > received

> > > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> > number

> > > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> > between

> > > me and

> > > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> > off-list,

> > > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > > " lawyer " on

> > > them. LOL)

> > >

> > > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> > recognize

> > > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> > shouldn't be

> > > the

> > > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> > exam

> > > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> > recommend the

> > > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> > extra

> > > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> > marginal.

> > > So,

> > > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> > thing

> > > right -- NR testing.

> > >

> > > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> > becoming

> > > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> > though,

> > > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> > when

> > > people's finances hang in the balance.

> > >

> > > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> > Louisiana)

> > > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> > state EMS

> > > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > > happening in Texas?

> > >

> > > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> > Let's

> > > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>********<<wbr><wbr>*

> > hottest

> > > products.

> > >

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