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Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not

received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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I have done all three exams (Basic, intermediate, and

Paramedic) in the past 7 years with TEEX and I love

Teex website to death. I hope they plan to offer

computer based exams. From passed dealings, TEEX's

site fees are not that extreme... $125 for my

paramedic exam about 2 years ago. Pretty darn

convenient when I lived in College Station and not

having to travel to Dallas or San to take it.

Also, us Aggies do many things right!... Just not

football. Gig'Em Friday!

Jimenez, Fighting Texas Aggie '03

--- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

> Howdy my friends:

>

> As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the

> conference. Some of y'all

> asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic.

> Unfortunately, as of now, I have

> no idea when. I recently took my skills retest

> (November 10) and passed it.

> The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public,

> scold in private) allegedly

> sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on

> November 12. UPS's website

> claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on

> November 12 should have

> arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of

> today, NR has STILL not received

> the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable

> to obtain a tracking number

> from the NR rep. The test site is less than

> willing to intervene on my

> behalf, claiming that anything other than providing

> a test site is between me and

> the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep

> and test site off-list,

> if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone

> publicly. I'm giving the

> involved parties one last chance to make things

> right before I go all " lawyer " on

> them. LOL)

>

> In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer

> beware " and recognize

> that some test sites are better than others and that

> cost alone shouldn't be the

> determining factor. TEEX at College Station

> actually overnights the exam

> results to NR, which is a really fantastic service.

> I strongly recommend the

> TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly

> higher cost. An extra

> week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight

> difference in cost marginal. So,

> as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M

> does at least one thing

> right -- NR testing.

>

> In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise

> don't depend on becoming

> licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are

> in that situation, though,

> it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of

> bucks on shipping when

> people's finances hang in the balance.

>

> I was talking to Grayson, who told me that

> LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

> actually has the NR reps bring the practical score

> reports to the state EMS

> office, who then reports them electronically to

> NREMT. Why isn't this

> happening in Texas?

>

> Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not

> trash it yet. Let's

> make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> Austin, Texas

>

>

>

>

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Whats up you may not remember me but we were on TAMU EMS together back in

the day how have you been? Also I`m sorry to correct your quote but I have to.

To Quote ....

" Also, us Aggies do many things right!... Just not

football. Gig'Em Friday! "

Looks Like we do football right now too WHOOP!!!

Fightin Texas Aggie C/O 2003 (well still working on it anyway!!)

Firefighter/EMT

Cell:

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

I have done all three exams (Basic, intermediate, and

Paramedic) in the past 7 years with TEEX and I love

Teex website to death. I hope they plan to offer

computer based exams. From passed dealings, TEEX's

site fees are not that extreme... $125 for my

paramedic exam about 2 years ago. Pretty darn

convenient when I lived in College Station and not

having to travel to Dallas or San to take it.

Also, us Aggies do many things right!... Just not

football. Gig'Em Friday!

Jimenez, Fighting Texas Aggie '03

--- ExLngHrn (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

> Howdy my friends:

>

> As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the

> conference. Some of y'all

> asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic.

> Unfortunately, as of now, I have

> no idea when. I recently took my skills retest

> (November 10) and passed it.

> The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public,

> scold in private) allegedly

> sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on

> November 12. UPS's website

> claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on

> November 12 should have

> arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of

> today, NR has STILL not received

> the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable

> to obtain a tracking number

> from the NR rep. The test site is less than

> willing to intervene on my

> behalf, claiming that anything other than providing

> a test site is between me and

> the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep

> and test site off-list,

> if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone

> publicly. I'm giving the

> involved parties one last chance to make things

> right before I go all " lawyer " on

> them. LOL)

>

> In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer

> beware " and recognize

> that some test sites are better than others and that

> cost alone shouldn't be the

> determining factor. TEEX at College Station

> actually overnights the exam

> results to NR, which is a really fantastic service.

> I strongly recommend the

> TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly

> higher cost. An extra

> week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight

> difference in cost marginal. So,

> as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M

> does at least one thing

> right -- NR testing.

>

> In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise

> don't depend on becoming

> licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are

> in that situation, though,

> it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of

> bucks on shipping when

> people's finances hang in the balance.

>

> I was talking to Grayson, who told me that

> LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

> actually has the NR reps bring the practical score

> reports to the state EMS

> office, who then reports them electronically to

> NREMT. Why isn't this

> happening in Texas?

>

> Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not

> trash it yet. Let's

> make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> Austin, Texas

>

>

>

>

>

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> AOL's list of 2007's hottest

> products.

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>

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Yes, of course I remember you, you wierdo!

Just kidding.

yes, I stand corrected about the TAMU/tu game and we

got a new coach out of it.

Email is dave911emt@... email me.

--- wrote:

> Whats up you may not remember me but we were

> on TAMU EMS together back in the day how have you

> been? Also I`m sorry to correct your quote but I

> have to.

>

> To Quote ....

> " Also, us Aggies do many things right!... Just not

> football. Gig'Em Friday! "

>

> Looks Like we do football right now too WHOOP!!!

>

>

>

> Fightin Texas Aggie C/O 2003 (well still working on

> it anyway!!)

> Firefighter/EMT

> Cell:

>

>

>

> Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em

> (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> I have done all three exams (Basic, intermediate,

> and

> Paramedic) in the past 7 years with TEEX and I love

> Teex website to death. I hope they plan to offer

> computer based exams. From passed dealings, TEEX's

> site fees are not that extreme... $125 for my

> paramedic exam about 2 years ago. Pretty darn

> convenient when I lived in College Station and not

> having to travel to Dallas or San to take

> it.

>

> Also, us Aggies do many things right!... Just not

> football. Gig'Em Friday!

>

> Jimenez, Fighting Texas Aggie '03

>

> --- ExLngHrn (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

>

> > Howdy my friends:

> >

> > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the

> > conference. Some of y'all

> > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic.

> > Unfortunately, as of now, I have

> > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest

> > (November 10) and passed it.

> > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public,

> > scold in private) allegedly

> > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on

> > November 12. UPS's website

> > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo

> on

> > November 12 should have

> > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of

> > today, NR has STILL not received

> > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable

> > to obtain a tracking number

> > from the NR rep. The test site is less than

> > willing to intervene on my

> > behalf, claiming that anything other than

> providing

> > a test site is between me and

> > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep

> > and test site off-list,

> > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone

> > publicly. I'm giving the

> > involved parties one last chance to make things

> > right before I go all " lawyer " on

> > them. LOL)

> >

> > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to

> " buyer

> > beware " and recognize

> > that some test sites are better than others and

> that

> > cost alone shouldn't be the

> > determining factor. TEEX at College Station

> > actually overnights the exam

> > results to NR, which is a really fantastic

> service.

> > I strongly recommend the

> > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly

> > higher cost. An extra

> > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight

> > difference in cost marginal. So,

> > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M

> > does at least one thing

> > right -- NR testing.

> >

> > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise

> > don't depend on becoming

> > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are

> > in that situation, though,

> > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of

> > bucks on shipping when

> > people's finances hang in the balance.

> >

> > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that

> > LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

> > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score

> > reports to the state EMS

> > office, who then reports them electronically to

> > NREMT. Why isn't this

> > happening in Texas?

> >

> > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's

> not

> > trash it yet. Let's

> > make it work -- and not on the backs of

> candidates.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ************ ********* ********* ********Check out

> > AOL's list of 2007's hottest

> > products.

> >

> (http://money. aol.com/special/ hot-products-

> 2007?NCID= aoltop0003000000 0001)

> >

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> >

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Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear up. BS

you need to go postal now.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not

received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be

the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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Wes,

Thanks for the plug for the TEEX site. I would point out that we have people fly

in from all over the US to test there because our fees are less than their home

state. They claim even with travel expenses they still saved money.

As far as how Louisiana does it, not sure if Texas has that capability and it

seems like adding one more pair of hands to clog up the works not streamline it

(what if the water pipe burst again?).

It sounds like in your case that it is more an issue with the NR rep than the

test site. As far as fixing NR rather than bash it, the problems you are

encountering right now is exactly why they are bashed. NR's policies do not

allow for fixing, because they believe they do not need to be fixed.

Rick

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Of Henry Barber

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear up. BS

you need to go postal now.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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Henry --

Shall I supply you with names and phone numbers? It seems like you're in rare

form this morning. Maybe you can beat some sense into some people!

-Wes

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear up. BS

you need to go postal now.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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Having both taken an NR written test as well as helped do BLS skills testing

while at TEEX Neil Coker is also an excellent NR Rep and runs a good ship

along with TeeX and their EMS Program under Don Royder and Rinard.

Harding does the " grunt " work and is very thorough on this which is

one

reason why I think that TeeX does do the great job that they do on the NR

Process. Simply put they use a team approach and they follow the same checklist

every time and they do an NR test and of course they deal with any issues as

they come up hence they have few issues that come up more then once.

Anyone can have a bad day but given some issues that Wes had and some issues

that I was made aware of at another test site with regard to similar issues

such as Wes's and the like that are all related back to the NR Rep this is

the key point that needs to be addressed in the current system as I see it.

Voices are heard and changes are possible when those voices are heard!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 11/26/2007 2:15:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

While they " caught " me flubbing up on the IO skil station, they still run an

organized, professional exam.

Oh so many lines come to mind and I have oh so much work to

do...............................

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National Registry just called me.?? They got in contact with the NR

Representative who had not shipped the score reports when he said he had.?

(Instead of being shipped out on November 12, they were shipped on either

November 15 or 16.)

I'm very impressed with the customer service that I've received from NR and

simply shocked at the lack of integrity and concernreflected by the NR rep.?

Names will be supplied off-list if requested.

Looks like I may have to do some of that lawyer stuff on my own.

-Wes Ogilvie

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear up. BS

you need to go postal now.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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It appears to me that we have lost this battle. No matter how much the folks at

the state office say they are on our side, the result is that they are not. With

the exception of maxie none of the individuals have ever worked in this field

and they are the ones making the decisions. NR was\is a easy way out without

losing any money. NR is much to powerful. But it still is a lot of fun to bitch

about it. I have seen more folks on our end work through the process better than

in the past. I am sure it is due to their effort and nothing to do with the

educators or NR's effort.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not

received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be

the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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The first thing we should do is formulate a new RFP for testing and run it

next year. Let NR bid on it along with the other programs that are now extant.

The RFP should state a number of things, including:

1. No skill testing by NR. All skill verifications should be done at the

course level, and coordinators should have the sole responsibility for verifying

skill proficiency, based not upon ONE performance, but upon a continuum of

performance.

2. NR reps operating in Texas should be required to be Texas certified

coordinators and subject to discipline by DSHS.

3. The fee schedule should be negotiated with the winner of the RFP, taking

into consideration the number of applicants Texas has in comparison with

other states.

4. Strict rules should be applied to processing of the exams, including

time limits on posting results, and an appeals process run not by NR but by

DSHS.

5. The winner of the RFP award should be required to submit exams to a

committee in Texas, appointed by GETAC, which would approve the content of the

exams, insure relevance to Texas and National practice standards, and have the

power to dump bad questions.

6. The winner should pay TEXAS for the right to do the exams, not the other

way around.

I am sure there are other requirements, but these come to mind immediately.

WEGandy, JD, LP

>

> Seeing as the Lege isn't going to supply more money for DSHS's EMS

> operations or for bringing back the " old " state exams, what changes should we

ask for

> from NREMT?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, still a freaking basic.? (Thanks to a " special " NR rep who

> doesn't send his scores in promptly.)

>

> Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

>

> ?????? YOU KNOW ME

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > Howdy my friends:

> >

> > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> y'all

> > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> have

> > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> passed it.

> > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> allegedly

> > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> website

> > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> should have

> > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> not

> > received

> > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> number

> > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> between

> > me and

> > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> off-list,

> > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > " lawyer " on

> > them. LOL)

> >

> > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> recognize

> > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> shouldn't be

> > the

> > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> exam

> > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> recommend the

> > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> extra

> > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> marginal.

> > So,

> > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> thing

> > right -- NR testing.

> >

> > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> becoming

> > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> though,

> > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> when

> > people's finances hang in the balance.

> >

> > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> Louisiana)

> > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> state EMS

> > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > happening in Texas?

> >

> > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> Let's

> > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > Austin, Texas

> >

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Unfortunately, no one is riding heard on the NR reps even though most are

probably doing the right thing. When ever Dishes brought the NR in, they

promised oversight for NR reps. However, Dishes refers problems to the NR, and

the NR refers them back to Dishes. I also remember Dishes stating their would

be 3 year 'term limits' for NR reps, and NR responsibility would be rotated

among coordinators.

-MH

________________________________

From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Wes

Ogilvie [ExLngHrn@...]

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:34 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

National Registry just called me.?? They got in contact with the NR

Representative who had not shipped the score reports when he said he had.?

(Instead of being shipped out on November 12, they were shipped on either

November 15 or 16.)

I'm very impressed with the customer service that I've received from NR and

simply shocked at the lack of integrity and concernreflected by the NR rep.?

Names will be supplied off-list if requested.

Looks like I may have to do some of that lawyer stuff on my own.

-Wes Ogilvie

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear up. BS

you need to go postal now.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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Someone definitely needs to address problems with NR reps.? NR assures me that

this problem will be fixed.

Speaking for myself, I have " other, special " ways of ensuring that the problem

is fixed.? Film at 11, y'all.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Attorney at Law

Austin, Texas

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear up. BS

you need to go postal now.

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Howdy my friends:

As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not received

the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between me

and

the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL)

In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be the

determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal. So,

as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

right -- NR testing.

In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

people's finances hang in the balance.

I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

happening in Texas?

Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

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Just so we don't start bashing TDSHS, I was in a meeting recently and

Maxie is aware of how many reps are in Texas, how many test they have

proctored ect... I am curious, has anyone lodged concerns or

complaints with a TDSHS employee? Regardless of how we " Feel " about

National Registry or the reps we can not expect TDSHS to correct or

investigate a unless they are aware a problem exist.

For those of you seeking a rep call , I have worked for

and with him and been present at several of his test, he is awesome

and one of the best Reps I have seen...

Miles

>

>

>

>

> Unfortunately, no one is riding heard on the NR reps even though most are

> probably doing the right thing. When ever Dishes brought the NR in, they

> promised oversight for NR reps. However, Dishes refers problems to the NR,

> and the NR refers them back to Dishes. I also remember Dishes stating their

> would be 3 year 'term limits' for NR reps, and NR responsibility would be

> rotated among coordinators.

>

> -MH

> ________________________________

> From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

> Wes Ogilvie [ExLngHrn@...]

> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:34 AM

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> National Registry just called me.?? They got in contact with the NR

> Representative who had not shipped the score reports when he said he had.?

> (Instead of being shipped out on November 12, they were shipped on either

> November 15 or 16.)

>

> I'm very impressed with the customer service that I've received from NR and

> simply shocked at the lack of integrity and concernreflected by the NR rep.?

> Names will be supplied off-list if requested.

>

> Looks like I may have to do some of that lawyer stuff on my own.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear

> up. BS you need to go postal now.

>

> Henry

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Howdy my friends:

>

> As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

> asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

> no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

> The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

> sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

> claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

> arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not

> received

> the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

> from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between

> me and

> the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

> if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> " lawyer " on

> them. LOL)

>

> In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

> that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be

> the

> determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

> results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

> TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

> week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal.

> So,

> as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

> right -- NR testing.

>

> In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

> licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

> it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

> people's finances hang in the balance.

>

> I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

> actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

> office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> happening in Texas?

>

> Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

> make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> Austin, Texas

>

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> products.

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Concerns or complaints have been lodged, aired, discussed (pick the

appropriate verb) at every GETAC meeting since NR began in this state.

Possibly the only thing left to do is notify them in brail and sign

language.

REM

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Miles

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:20 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

Just so we don't start bashing TDSHS, I was in a meeting recently and

Maxie is aware of how many reps are in Texas, how many test they have

proctored ect... I am curious, has anyone lodged concerns or

complaints with a TDSHS employee? Regardless of how we " Feel " about

National Registry or the reps we can not expect TDSHS to correct or

investigate a unless they are aware a problem exist.

For those of you seeking a rep call , I have worked for

and with him and been present at several of his test, he is awesome

and one of the best Reps I have seen...

Miles

On Nov 26, 2007 11:44 AM, Hudson <mhudson@...

<mailto:mhudson%40mesquiteisd.org> > wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Unfortunately, no one is riding heard on the NR reps even though most

are

> probably doing the right thing. When ever Dishes brought the NR in,

they

> promised oversight for NR reps. However, Dishes refers problems to the

NR,

> and the NR refers them back to Dishes. I also remember Dishes stating

their

> would be 3 year 'term limits' for NR reps, and NR responsibility would

be

> rotated among coordinators.

>

> -MH

> ________________________________

> From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

[texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] On

Behalf Of

> Wes Ogilvie [ExLngHrn@... <mailto:ExLngHrn%40aol.com> ]

> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:34 AM

> To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad

nauseum)

>

> National Registry just called me.?? They got in contact with the NR

> Representative who had not shipped the score reports when he said he

had.?

> (Instead of being shipped out on November 12, they were shipped on

either

> November 15 or 16.)

>

> I'm very impressed with the customer service that I've received from

NR and

> simply shocked at the lack of integrity and concernreflected by the NR

rep.?

> Names will be supplied off-list if requested.

>

> Looks like I may have to do some of that lawyer stuff on my own.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad

nauseum)

>

> Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to

tear

> up. BS you need to go postal now.

>

> Henry

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Howdy my friends:

>

> As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

y'all

> asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

have

> no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

passed it.

> The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

allegedly

> sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

website

> claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

should have

> arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

not

> received

> the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

number

> from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

between

> me and

> the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

off-list,

> if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> " lawyer " on

> them. LOL)

>

> In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

recognize

> that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

shouldn't be

> the

> determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

exam

> results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

recommend the

> TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

extra

> week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

marginal.

> So,

> as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

thing

> right -- NR testing.

>

> In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

becoming

> licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

though,

> it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

when

> people's finances hang in the balance.

>

> I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

Louisiana)

> actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

state EMS

> office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> happening in Texas?

>

> Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

Let's

> make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> Austin, Texas

>

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As I understand, DSHS has no jurisdiction over the NR reps for their conduct of

NR exams.?? Is this something that might need to be addressed through a new

rule, at least for those people who hold Texas EMS certification?

I'm afraid that the only way to get the attention of SOME (not all, mind you) NR

reps will be to:

1) Hit them in the pocketbook

2) Report them to NREMT in the hopes that NREMT will revoke their ability to

conduct NR exams

3) Hold them accountable in civil court.? (While there are too many lawsuits,

it's sadly true that nothing gets a person's attention like a civil court

summons and/or judgement.)

-Wes Ogilvie

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Your a kind hearted individual. That is all I can say, I am about to tear

> up. BS you need to go postal now.

>

> Henry

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Howdy my friends:

>

> As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of y'all

> asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I have

> no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and passed it.

> The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private) allegedly

> sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's website

> claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12 should have

> arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL not

> received

> the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking number

> from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is between

> me and

> the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

> if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> " lawyer " on

> them. LOL)

>

> In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and recognize

> that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone shouldn't be

> the

> determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the exam

> results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly recommend the

> TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An extra

> week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost marginal.

> So,

> as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one thing

> right -- NR testing.

>

> In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on becoming

> licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation, though,

> it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping when

> people's finances hang in the balance.

>

> I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes, Louisiana)

> actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the state EMS

> office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> happening in Texas?

>

> Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet. Let's

> make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> Austin, Texas

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AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

?????? YOU KNOW ME

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Howdy my friends:

>

> As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

y'all

> asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

have

> no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

passed it.

> The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

allegedly

> sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

website

> claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

should have

> arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

not

> received

> the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

number

> from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

between

> me and

> the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

off-list,

> if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> " lawyer " on

> them. LOL)

>

> In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

recognize

> that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

shouldn't be

> the

> determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

exam

> results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

recommend the

> TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

extra

> week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

marginal.

> So,

> as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

thing

> right -- NR testing.

>

> In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

becoming

> licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

though,

> it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

when

> people's finances hang in the balance.

>

> I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

Louisiana)

> actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

state EMS

> office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> happening in Texas?

>

> Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

Let's

> make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> Austin, Texas

>

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Seeing as the Lege isn't going to supply more money for DSHS's EMS operations or

for bringing back the " old " state exams, what changes should we ask for from

NREMT?

-Wes Ogilvie, still a freaking basic.? (Thanks to a " special " NR rep who doesn't

send his scores in promptly.)

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

?????? YOU KNOW ME

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> Howdy my friends:

>

> As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

y'all

> asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

have

> no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

passed it.

> The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

allegedly

> sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

website

> claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

should have

> arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

not

> received

> the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

number

> from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

between

> me and

> the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

off-list,

> if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> " lawyer " on

> them. LOL)

>

> In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

recognize

> that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

shouldn't be

> the

> determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

exam

> results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

recommend the

> TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

extra

> week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

marginal.

> So,

> as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

thing

> right -- NR testing.

>

> In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

becoming

> licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

though,

> it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

when

> people's finances hang in the balance.

>

> I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

Louisiana)

> actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

state EMS

> office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> happening in Texas?

>

> Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

Let's

> make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> Austin, Texas

>

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We used to have the best skill testing procedures anywhere. I worked with

lots of folks back in the 1980's to perfect them, and our skill sheets are

still better than NREMT's.

I agree that computer testing has improved things. However, there must be

oversight by the state. NR cannot just be trusted to fix up an exam based

upon its notions about what's good and what's bad to ask. As a patron of that

organization and a massive contributor to its financial wellbeing, we have a

perfect right to have an oversight committee.

We also need an appeal process that insures due process on the part of NR.

I do think they're working to become more customer friendly and less

arbitrary, but they're still not there.

I am encouraged, however, by some recent feedback I have received about their

handling of a problem.

I look at them like I do an insurance company. Insurance contracts are

" adhesion " contracts, which means they write them and we " take them or leave

them. " Because of that, all states have seen fit to regulate them.

We should be regulating the NR, not the other way around.

We made mistakes in the heat of the crisis when they were chosen among a

group of ONE to take over and save us from ourselves. We shouldn't be saddled

with those mistakes forever.

The State of Texas could exercise enormous leverage over NR if it wanted to.

GG

I certainly agree with tightening the requirements on coordinators, so long

as they are meaningful requirements and not just bureaucratic blather.

Having been an advanced coordinator for many years, I can say that most of

the coordinators I have known are conscientious and honest.

I have NO confidence that the NR skill testing is anything more than a waste

of time. I have served as an examiner literally dozens of times, and I have

seen the worst and the best come through, and believe me, I don't think the

exams tell us one thing about a person's abilities in the field. Testing is an

artificial situation.

Doctors and nurses don't have skills exams. Their abilities are monitored

again and again over time, and that's the way EMS ought to be.

But you're right--money is the problem.

GG

>

>

> Gene,

>

> Most of your posting is no longer relevant now that we have computer

> testing.? I have no issue with coordinators being the ones that do the skills

> testing...but as has been stated before...if we can't require coordinators to

have

> NR testing as a part of their class...how can we trust them to test the

> skills??

>

> Honestly, before we re-do the NR process...lets look at overhauling the

> coordinator process, qualifications, and responsibilities. Honestly, before we

> re-do the NR process...lets look at overhauling the coordinator process,

> qualifications, and responsibilities.<wbr>? I for one cannot accept a

coordinator b

>

> Jane's explanation of the NR process was one of the most cogent and well

> stated emails I have seen on this thread for quiet some time.? Funny thing she

> said though (and it is usually " those private ambulance folks " that this gets

> applied to) is that coordinators won't do the NR piece because of cost...I.E.

> money...and again it boils down to that.

>

> I for one am satisfied with the written testing piece now.? It is easy to

> access, results are timely, and the pass rates are at a respectable level (I

> hope because we are better preparing our folks to take the test...and not just

> that it is easier).? The skills piece is still an issue but I think it could

> be better done if it was a requirement of the coordinators to provide

> it...fix that and make it work...then I would be willing to talk about

coordinators

> just doing it at the advanced level.

>

> Dudley

>

> Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

> >

> > ?????? YOU KNOW ME

> > A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> > >

> > > Howdy my friends:

> > >

> > > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> > y'all

> > > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> > have

> > > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> > passed it.

> > > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> > allegedly

> > > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> > website

> > > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> > should have

> > > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> > not

> > > received

> > > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> > number

> > > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> > between

> > > me and

> > > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> > off-list,

> > > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > > " lawyer " on

> > > them. LOL)

> > >

> > > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> > recognize

> > > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> > shouldn't be

> > > the

> > > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> > exam

> > > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> > recommend the

> > > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> > extra

> > > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> > marginal.

> > > So,

> > > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> > thing

> > > right -- NR testing.

> > >

> > > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> > becoming

> > > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> > though,

> > > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> > when

> > > people's finances hang in the balance.

> > >

> > > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> > Louisiana)

> > > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> > state EMS

> > > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > > happening in Texas?

> > >

> > > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> > Let's

> > > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > > Austin, Texas

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very good ideas gene.

Rick

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of wegandy1938@...

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:39 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

The first thing we should do is formulate a new RFP for testing and run

it

next year. Let NR bid on it along with the other programs that are now

extant.

The RFP should state a number of things, including:

1. No skill testing by NR. All skill verifications should be done at the

course level, and coordinators should have the sole responsibility for

verifying

skill proficiency, based not upon ONE performance, but upon a continuum

of

performance.

2. NR reps operating in Texas should be required to be Texas certified

coordinators and subject to discipline by DSHS.

3. The fee schedule should be negotiated with the winner of the RFP,

taking

into consideration the number of applicants Texas has in comparison with

other states.

4. Strict rules should be applied to processing of the exams, including

time limits on posting results, and an appeals process run not by NR but

by DSHS.

5. The winner of the RFP award should be required to submit exams to a

committee in Texas, appointed by GETAC, which would approve the content

of the

exams, insure relevance to Texas and National practice standards, and

have the

power to dump bad questions.

6. The winner should pay TEXAS for the right to do the exams, not the

other

way around.

I am sure there are other requirements, but these come to mind

immediately.

WEGandy, JD, LP

In a message dated 11/26/07 1:51:17 PM, ExLngHrn@...

<mailto:ExLngHrn%40aol.com> writes:

>

> Seeing as the Lege isn't going to supply more money for DSHS's EMS

> operations or for bringing back the " old " state exams, what changes

should we ask for

> from NREMT?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, still a freaking basic.? (Thanks to a " special " NR rep

who

> doesn't send his scores in promptly.)

>

> Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad

nauseum)

>

> AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

>

> ?????? YOU KNOW ME

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > Howdy my friends:

> >

> > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> y'all

> > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now,

I

> have

> > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> passed it.

> > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> allegedly

> > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> website

> > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> should have

> > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> not

> > received

> > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a

tracking

> number

> > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on

my

> > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> between

> > me and

> > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> off-list,

> > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go

all

> > " lawyer " on

> > them. LOL)

> >

> > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> recognize

> > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> shouldn't be

> > the

> > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> exam

> > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> recommend the

> > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> extra

> > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> marginal.

> > So,

> > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> thing

> > right -- NR testing.

> >

> > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> becoming

> > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> though,

> > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> when

> > people's finances hang in the balance.

> >

> > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> Louisiana)

> > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> state EMS

> > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't

this

> > happening in Texas?

> >

> > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> Let's

> > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > Austin, Texas

> >

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As I was unaware of the extenuating circumstances, I certainly apologize for

the confusion and misunderstanding. Had I known of your family situation, I

would have definitely understood. (I'm dealing with family medical issues

as well.)

Unfortunately, since there was a lack of communication, I was unsure as to

the status of my NR packet. At first I was told that the packet was shipped

on one date, then found another from speaking to NR.

I'll gladly take the discussion off-list from this point forward.

-Wes

In a message dated 11/26/2007 10:38:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,

troll9111956@... writes:

Wes,

Hey, it's me, your " special " rep!

For everyone else reading, my name is Mike so you do not have to

go off list to Wes' private e-mail.

My TDSHS guy called me and said I should sign on to the list-server.

It has been interesting reading your posts yesterday & today. Coupla

questions, though.

" (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

" lawyer " on

them. LOL) "

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

First off, is go all " lawyer " on them a threat? I was some what confused

when the test site contacted me on Wed. 11/14 & said that you had called and

generally made a big deal about being a lawyer & all, that you checked the NR

website and you were not posted as passed yet, that you were going to sue the

test site & me and he would e-mail me the info. (What part of " Your official

test scores will be reported in 4-6 weeks " read straight to you from the NR

" Bible' did you not understand?) Anyhow, I called the office and had my

co-worker check & answer as best he could.

You know Wes, the whole world does not revolve around you. While you were

calling everyone whining & moaning that you were not instantly a paramedic, I

was in the hospital with my dad. Mom calls me up Sunday night & says she

called 911 because he was in respiratory arrest. Plans kinda changed quick,

things

got moved to the back burner unintentionally. For that, I apologize. OBTW,

he is doing well since his DC on 11/21.

What is it about the site that you did not like other than not offering up

any private info about me . These guys bent over backward to accommodate you

at the last minute to get you tested. Did anyone working there offend you in

the 1 & 1/2 hour that you were there? Are they guilty of anything other than

using me, your " special " rep that you cannot wait to sue in civil court. I am

LOLing just because I am near and dear to your thoughts & have been for the

last two weeks. From what I hear, you made a heyday of cursing me & the test

site at Conference to anyone & everyone. Glad you enjoyed it so much. Shoulda

kept your head covered so you would not have caught that cold.

What Jane said about NR & TDSHS about their lack of updates holds true here,

also. TDSHS & NR both want us to do this job with no guaranty of

reimbursement from them. I am still waiting for payment from the first site I

repped in

2003. These test sites are a lot of work. Even after I get home, I will spend

one or two days going back over the paperwork to make sure that all bubbles

have been bubbled, that all candidates have checked or written or bubbled

everything, that it has my signature so no one will get kicked back for an

incomplete application. Break it down & we get paid about $10.00 - 11.00 an

hour.

I will be back in the office tomorrow, so I am quite sure I will have at

least a dozen messages from you to answer, seeing as I have been off of work

for

two weeks. I will take them over to my attorney's office:

Berta Linton

12 W.

San Angelo, TX. 76903

Wes, please do not call me, e-mail me, or call the station. I consider what

you are doing as harrassment.

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Gene,

Most of your posting is no longer relevant now that we have computer testing.? I

have no issue with coordinators being the ones that do the skills testing...but

as has been stated before...if we can't require coordinators to have NR testing

as a part of their class...how can we trust them to test the skills??

Honestly, before we re-do the NR process...lets look at overhauling the

coordinator process, qualifications, and responsibilities.? I for one cannot

accept a coordinator being responsible for skills testing until we have some

better processes, rules and benchmarks in place for what a coordinator should

be.

Jane's explanation of the NR process was one of the most cogent and well stated

emails I have seen on this thread for quiet some time.? Funny thing she said

though (and it is usually " those private ambulance folks " that this gets applied

to) is that coordinators won't do the NR piece because of cost...I.E.

money...and again it boils down to that.

I for one am satisfied with the written testing piece now.? It is easy to

access, results are timely, and the pass rates are at a respectable level (I

hope because we are better preparing our folks to take the test...and not just

that it is easier).? The skills piece is still an issue but I think it could be

better done if it was a requirement of the coordinators to provide it...fix that

and make it work...then I would be willing to talk about coordinators just doing

it at the advanced level.

Dudley

Re: A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

>

> AND DELIVER BY PONY EXPRESS

>

> ?????? YOU KNOW ME

> A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > Howdy my friends:

> >

> > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> y'all

> > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> have

> > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> passed it.

> > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> allegedly

> > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> website

> > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> should have

> > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> not

> > received

> > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> number

> > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> between

> > me and

> > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> off-list,

> > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > " lawyer " on

> > them. LOL)

> >

> > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> recognize

> > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> shouldn't be

> > the

> > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> exam

> > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> recommend the

> > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> extra

> > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> marginal.

> > So,

> > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> thing

> > right -- NR testing.

> >

> > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> becoming

> > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> though,

> > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> when

> > people's finances hang in the balance.

> >

> > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> Louisiana)

> > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> state EMS

> > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > happening in Texas?

> >

> > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> Let's

> > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > Austin, Texas

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Wes,

Hey, it's me, your " special " rep!

For everyone else reading, my name is Mike so you do not have to go

off list to Wes' private e-mail.

My TDSHS guy called me and said I should sign on to the list-server.

It has been interesting reading your posts yesterday & today. Coupla

questions, though.

" (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site off-list,

if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all " lawyer "

on

them. LOL) "

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

Austin, Texas

First off, is go all " lawyer " on them a threat? I was some what confused when

the test site contacted me on Wed. 11/14 & said that you had called and

generally made a big deal about being a lawyer & all, that you checked the NR

website and you were not posted as passed yet, that you were going to sue the

test site & me and he would e-mail me the info. (What part of " Your official

test scores will be reported in 4-6 weeks " read straight to you from the NR

" Bible' did you not understand?) Anyhow, I called the office and had my

co-worker check & answer as best he could.

You know Wes, the whole world does not revolve around you. While you were

calling everyone whining & moaning that you were not instantly a paramedic, I

was in the hospital with my dad. Mom calls me up Sunday night & says she called

911 because he was in respiratory arrest. Plans kinda changed quick, things got

moved to the back burner unintentionally. For that, I apologize. OBTW, he is

doing well since his DC on 11/21.

What is it about the site that you did not like other than not offering up any

private info about me . These guys bent over backward to accommodate you at the

last minute to get you tested. Did anyone working there offend you in the 1 &

1/2 hour that you were there? Are they guilty of anything other than using me,

your " special " rep that you cannot wait to sue in civil court. I am LOLing just

because I am near and dear to your thoughts & have been for the last two weeks.

From what I hear, you made a heyday of cursing me & the test site at Conference

to anyone & everyone. Glad you enjoyed it so much. Shoulda kept your head

covered so you would not have caught that cold.

What Jane said about NR & TDSHS about their lack of updates holds true here,

also. TDSHS & NR both want us to do this job with no guaranty of reimbursement

from them. I am still waiting for payment from the first site I repped in 2003.

These test sites are a lot of work. Even after I get home, I will spend one or

two days going back over the paperwork to make sure that all bubbles have been

bubbled, that all candidates have checked or written or bubbled everything, that

it has my signature so no one will get kicked back for an incomplete

application. Break it down & we get paid about $10.00 - 11.00 an hour.

I will be back in the office tomorrow, so I am quite sure I will have at least

a dozen messages from you to answer, seeing as I have been off of work for two

weeks. I will take them over to my attorney's office:

Berta Linton

12 W.

San Angelo, TX. 76903

Wes, please do not call me, e-mail me, or call the station. I consider what

you are doing as harrassment.

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Gene,

Are you already hitting the egg nog?

Henry

A Longhorn says Gig 'Em (NR issues ad nauseum)

> >

> > Howdy my friends:

> >

> > As always, it was fantastic seeing y'all at the conference. Some of

> y'all

> > asked about when I'm becoming a paramedic. Unfortunately, as of now, I

> have

> > no idea when. I recently took my skills retest (November 10) and

> passed it.

> > The NR rep at that test site (Praise in public, scold in private)

> allegedly

> > sent the score sheets to NR by UPS Ground on November 12. UPS's

> website

> > claims that a ground package sent from San Angelo on November 12

> should have

> > arrived in Columbus, Ohio by November 16. As of today, NR has STILL

> not

> > received

> > the test results. I have, as of yet, been unable to obtain a tracking

> number

> > from the NR rep. The test site is less than willing to intervene on my

> > behalf, claiming that anything other than providing a test site is

> between

> > me and

> > the NR rep. (I will provide the name of the NR rep and test site

> off-list,

> > if asked, but I'm not going to slam someone publicly. I'm giving the

> > involved parties one last chance to make things right before I go all

> > " lawyer " on

> > them. LOL)

> >

> > In short, I wanted to warn my EMS friends to " buyer beware " and

> recognize

> > that some test sites are better than others and that cost alone

> shouldn't be

> > the

> > determining factor. TEEX at College Station actually overnights the

> exam

> > results to NR, which is a really fantastic service. I strongly

> recommend the

> > TEEX test site to you all, despite a significantly higher cost. An

> extra

> > week or two of paramedic pay makes the slight difference in cost

> marginal.

> > So,

> > as much as it pains this Longhorn to say it, A & M does at least one

> thing

> > right -- NR testing.

> >

> > In a way, I'm fortunate that my job or pay raise don't depend on

> becoming

> > licensed as a paramedic. For those of us that are in that situation,

> though,

> > it's incredibly petty to try to save a couple of bucks on shipping

> when

> > people's finances hang in the balance.

> >

> > I was talking to Grayson, who told me that LOUISIANA (yes,

> Louisiana)

> > actually has the NR reps bring the practical score reports to the

> state EMS

> > office, who then reports them electronically to NREMT. Why isn't this

> > happening in Texas?

> >

> > Folks, we're all complaining about NREMT. Let's not trash it yet.

> Let's

> > make it work -- and not on the backs of candidates.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B (STILL!)

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********<wbr>******

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