Re: primal defense, was Re: Re: ...probiotics

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Nature's biotics are good soil based organisms. I took those for awhile a few

years back.

primal defense, was Re: Re: ...probiotics

The last time I warned against primal defense and similar soil organism

products I could not find the references

I still can't find them all.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=278134

> Along with a book I ordered called " The IBD Remission Diet " by Jini

> Patel , came a page inserted later by the author that

> essentially withdrew her prior recommendation of Primal Defense.

> Horrified, I searched the Internet and could only find glowing

> testimonials (most of which eventually stemmed from the Garden of Life

> company's own marketing.) I could find nothing from a scientific or

> unbiased source. The inserted warning is frightening. Here it is:

>

> " On Page 108 of the IBD remission diet, I suggest that readers may

> want to try a product called Primal Defense after they've been

> completely healed for 3-5 months. I learned of this product from

> numerous readers who wrote in to let me know how well it's worked for

> them. Since I couldn't try the product myself (I've been pregnant or

> breastfeeding for four years and counting,) I questioned numerous

> respected naturopaths, microbiology professors and gastroenterologists

> for their opinion on the product and all said it looked fine.

>

> However, since meeting the founder and president of Natren Inc. (top

> quality pro-biotic manufacturer,) Natasha Trenev, I must change my

> opinion of bacterial soil organisms. Natasha is a world renowned

> expert on microorganisms and maintains one of the largest research

> libraries on that topic in the world. She has sent me an entire CD ROM

> of articles, research and clinical data and other scientific studies,

> (most done outside of North America,) outlining why it is not safe to

> consume bacterial soil organisms (like those contained in Primal

> Defense and numerous other products.)

>

> To summarize the research briefly, soil organisms (SO) are spore

> formers, so they make make good competitors for yeast, fungus and

> other pathogens. This is why so many people taking soil organisms will

> initially experience very favorable results. However these spores are

> are extremely difficult to kill, surviving sterilants, disinfectants,

> acceleration forces, heat, pressure, radiation and many antibiotics.

> Strong antibiotics -- like Vancomycin -- can suppress certain spores.

> Spores are so persistent in the intestines that another round of

> germination may occur after the the drug is stopped. Soil organisms

> can also adapt loose genetic material and incorporate it into their

> cellular structure - the ramifications of which are yet unknown.

> Various soil organisms can also produce harmful peptides, affecting

> hemoglobin in the blood. It's important to keep in mind that virtually

> all antibiotic drugs were were initially developed from soil organisms

> and as antibiotics become more potent, they cause more damage to the

> host, not just in the immediate gut environment, but systematically as

> well.

>

> In the EU (European Union) the use of soil organisms in animal feed is

> being stringently controlled and questioned at this time. There are

> simply too many questions and unknowns to sanction the use of soil

> organisms for human consumption and one can certainly cannot qualify

> them as safe at this time.

>

> I'm very sorry for any confusion this may have caused you. To be

> honest, this is the very first time I've recommended a product that

> I've not tried and tested exclusively myself -- I admit I was swayed

> by so many good recommendations from readers. Rest assured that I will

> not do so again!

>

> My sincerest apologies,

> Jini Patel

> July 2003 "

General info on probiotic sporeforming species

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1541-4337.2003.tb00017.x

sol

[Guest guest]

Are there such things as good soil based organisms for human probiotic use?

The very long article (second link) seems to me to raise disturbing

questions.

sol

Gikas wrote:

> Nature's biotics are good soil based organisms. I took those for awhile a few

years back.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info! It was a good read. I noticed Swanson vitamins now

sells a soil organisms brand.

So, based on what she wrote it is not that there is a know issue with the

soil organisms, but that there is much unknown about them and their long

term effects.

I will take the risk at this point. For all the horrible things

contaminating my body, I imagine the good bacteria has to be better than all

the mycotoxins and fungi that have inhabited my body. We will see in 10

years if I have mutant bacteria changing my cell structure, lol.

Actually, the point she makes is not only true of antibiotics but a host of

other things that change cell structure and DNA and the US government has

been putting stuff in our food supply, air and water for decades.

One thing she doesn't address is that Primal Defense uses a fermentation

process which I would think would counter some of the concerns but I really

don't know enough to make an educated hypothesis. I also wonder, since this

article is 4 years old, if more research has been done on the topic?

I am going to write to the company and see if they have a counter to her

concern.

Thanks again for posting. All I can say is so far they have worked wonders

for me.

Cheri

primal defense, was Re: Re: ...probiotics

The last time I warned against primal defense and similar soil organism

products I could not find the references

I still can't find them all.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=278134

>

> I'm very sorry for any confusion this may have caused you. To be

> honest, this is the very first time I've recommended a product that

> I've not tried and tested exclusively myself -- I admit I was swayed

> by so many good recommendations from readers. Rest assured that I will

> not do so again!

>

> My sincerest apologies,

> Jini Patel

> July 2003 "

General info on probiotic sporeforming species

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1541-4337.2003.tb00017.x

sol

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[Guest guest]

I wouldn't bother writing to GOL, they will lie.

sol