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you definitely have big time adrenal fatigue. probably at least stage

4 if not 5? you'll probably need more HC then what your doc

prescribed. 20-30 mgs

>

> Here are my newest symptoms since being on 1/2 grain armour for a

> little over a month (doc won't raise my dosage); constant leg pain,

> extremely cold, join pain and stiffness, nausea, diarrhea, my heart

> is fluttering and then last night I had severe vertigo, where I

> couldn't see or function for over a half-hour. My fiance also said

> that I couldn't talk " clearly " while I was having vertigo. I don't

> know what is going on with me. I can't even think. I hope someone has

> an idea of what the hell is going on with my body.

>

> Then, I had another appointment today with the doc. He won't raise my

> dosage because I have been " jittery, anxious, and having heart

> palpitations " some of the time, so he thinks I'm swinging into

> hyper.... but how can I feel hypo at the same time?? I'm just so so

> confused. He also said I was (something.. a big word that I can't

> remember).. something about coma, adrenals.. etc. He only took like

> 30 seconds with me, and I left very confused and frustrated. So I

> hope you guys can offer me what my doc did not.

>

> Anyway, here are the results from my lab work; (this is from 30 days

> ago, before I was on armour)

> Testosterone Total Free: 0.5 (0.3-1.9)

> Total Testosterone: 29 (range 8-60)

> Progesterone: 5.9 luteal phase (range 2-20)

> DHEA: 2.7 (range 0-12.9)

> Homocysteine, plasma: 5 (range 0-13)

>

> My pelvic ultrasound was unremarkable.

>

> My Salivary Cortisol and DHEA lab:

>

> 7-9 am: 0.41 (range.27-1.18)

> 11am-1pm: 0.03 (range .1-.41)

> 3-5pm: 0.16 (range .05-.27)

> 10pm-12am: .06 (range .03-.14)

>

> He put me on Cortef 5mg

> 1 at 9 am

> 1/2 at noon

> 1/2 at 3pm

> and Adreset (an herbal supplement) (and which I'm not going to

> take... as I'm still nursing my daughter)

>

> I haven't been reading much on here, and I probably should be. I

> always just feel so overwhelmed, even when resting I feel like I'm on

> the verge of tears.

>

> Thanks for all your help, everyone,

> Brittney

>

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Brittney,

What was your salivary DHEA result and range? You only listed the cortisol

for the salivary ones. I see the blood DHEA but the salivary ones need to be

posted in relation to the salivary cortisol to see what stage you are at.

Also, did you do salivary sex hormones and thyroid or only blood for those?

Cheri

Very scared; New labs

Anyway, here are the results from my lab work; (this is from 30 days

ago, before I was on armour)

Testosterone Total Free: 0.5 (0.3-1.9)

Total Testosterone: 29 (range 8-60)

Progesterone: 5.9 luteal phase (range 2-20)

DHEA: 2.7 (range 0-12.9)

Homocysteine, plasma: 5 (range 0-13)

My pelvic ultrasound was unremarkable.

My Salivary Cortisol and DHEA lab:

7-9 am: 0.41 (range.27-1.18)

11am-1pm: 0.03 (range .1-.41)

3-5pm: 0.16 (range .05-.27)

10pm-12am: .06 (range .03-.14)

He put me on Cortef 5mg

1 at 9 am

1/2 at noon

1/2 at 3pm

and Adreset (an herbal supplement) (and which I'm not going to

take... as I'm still nursing my daughter)

I haven't been reading much on here, and I probably should be. I

always just feel so overwhelmed, even when resting I feel like I'm on

the verge of tears.

Thanks for all your help, everyone,

Brittney

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Britney,

I am late coming into this but why are you taking armour? What is

your TSH, Free T4 and T3? It is very common to have both hyper and

hypo symptoms when you first start on Armour because of the direct

T3.

Debbie

>

> Here are my newest symptoms since being on 1/2 grain armour for a

> little over a month (doc won't raise my dosage); constant leg pain,

> extremely cold, join pain and stiffness, nausea, diarrhea, my heart

> is fluttering and then last night I had severe vertigo, where I

> couldn't see or function for over a half-hour. My fiance also said

> that I couldn't talk " clearly " while I was having vertigo. I don't

> know what is going on with me. I can't even think. I hope someone

has

> an idea of what the hell is going on with my body.

>

> Then, I had another appointment today with the doc. He won't raise

my

> dosage because I have been " jittery, anxious, and having heart

> palpitations " some of the time, so he thinks I'm swinging into

> hyper.... but how can I feel hypo at the same time?? I'm just so so

> confused. He also said I was (something.. a big word that I can't

> remember).. something about coma, adrenals.. etc. He only took like

> 30 seconds with me, and I left very confused and frustrated. So I

> hope you guys can offer me what my doc did not.

>

> Anyway, here are the results from my lab work; (this is from 30

days

> ago, before I was on armour)

> Testosterone Total Free: 0.5 (0.3-1.9)

> Total Testosterone: 29 (range 8-60)

> Progesterone: 5.9 luteal phase (range 2-20)

> DHEA: 2.7 (range 0-12.9)

> Homocysteine, plasma: 5 (range 0-13)

>

> My pelvic ultrasound was unremarkable.

>

> My Salivary Cortisol and DHEA lab:

>

> 7-9 am: 0.41 (range.27-1.18)

> 11am-1pm: 0.03 (range .1-.41)

> 3-5pm: 0.16 (range .05-.27)

> 10pm-12am: .06 (range .03-.14)

>

> He put me on Cortef 5mg

> 1 at 9 am

> 1/2 at noon

> 1/2 at 3pm

> and Adreset (an herbal supplement) (and which I'm not going to

> take... as I'm still nursing my daughter)

>

> I haven't been reading much on here, and I probably should be. I

> always just feel so overwhelmed, even when resting I feel like I'm

on

> the verge of tears.

>

> Thanks for all your help, everyone,

> Brittney

>

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Sorry, forgot to post these:

> What was your salivary DHEA result and range? You only listed the

cortisol

> for the salivary ones.

DHEA 7-9am: 191 (range 71-640)

DHEA Cortisol Ratio/10,000: 466 (range 115-1188)

I only did blood tests for the rest.

Thanks,

Brittney

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Hi Debbie~

> I am late coming into this but why are you taking armour? What is

> your TSH, Free T4 and T3? It is very common to have both hyper and

> hypo symptoms when you first start on Armour because of the direct

> T3.

>

> Debbie

Here are my original test results:

Free T3 : 2.6

Free T4: .9

Glucose: 101

TSH: 1.36

T3 Reverse: .32

Anti Thyroid Perx AB 5.6

Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy: 28

Insulin, serum : 23

Thanks,

Brittney

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Thanks, . I guess I don't know much about adrenal fatigue, yet.

Can you point me to a link that can explain it to me?

I'm taking it that stage 4 or 5 is pretty bad??

He really freaked me out with the " coma " comment. What exactly was he

talking about? Am I really in danger of a coma? How do I get more HC if

he won't prescribe it to me??

Thanks,

Brittney

>

> you definitely have big time adrenal fatigue. probably at least stage

> 4 if not 5? you'll probably need more HC then what your doc

> prescribed. 20-30 mgs

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Britney,

Were these test before or after starting armour?

Debbie

>

> Hi Debbie~

>

> > I am late coming into this but why are you taking armour? What

is

> > your TSH, Free T4 and T3? It is very common to have both hyper

and

> > hypo symptoms when you first start on Armour because of the

direct

> > T3.

> >

> > Debbie

>

> Here are my original test results:

>

> Free T3 : 2.6

> Free T4: .9

> Glucose: 101

> TSH: 1.36

> T3 Reverse: .32

> Anti Thyroid Perx AB 5.6

> Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy: 28

> Insulin, serum : 23

>

> Thanks,

> Brittney

>

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They were taken before. I won't get the " after " labs back until Jan.

11th.

~Brittney

> Britney,

>

> Were these test before or after starting armour?

>

> Debbie

>

>

> >

> > Hi Debbie~

> >

> > > I am late coming into this but why are you taking armour? What

> is

> > > your TSH, Free T4 and T3? It is very common to have both hyper

> and

> > > hypo symptoms when you first start on Armour because of the

> direct

> > > T3.

> > >

> > > Debbie

> >

> > Here are my original test results:

> >

> > Free T3 : 2.6

> > Free T4: .9

> > Glucose: 101

> > TSH: 1.36

> > T3 Reverse: .32

> > Anti Thyroid Perx AB 5.6

> > Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy: 28

> > Insulin, serum : 23

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Brittney

> >

>

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Britney,

I am new to this forum and understanding adrenal fatigue but have

been on armour for a couple of years. Your labs are on the low end

but not real low...have you tried cutting your pills in half and

taking only a quarter grain for a couple of weeks until your body

adjusts? I know 1/4 a grain doesn't seem like much but you have a

functioning thyroid so possibly taking it slower would be your best

bet? If you have labs in January, you may not want to change it

because them you doc will want you to wait another six to eight

weeks. BUT...if you feel that bad, maybe it would be worth trying?

Just my thoughts.

Debbie

> > >

> > > Hi Debbie~

> > >

> > > > I am late coming into this but why are you taking armour?

What

> > is

> > > > your TSH, Free T4 and T3? It is very common to have both

hyper

> > and

> > > > hypo symptoms when you first start on Armour because of the

> > direct

> > > > T3.

> > > >

> > > > Debbie

> > >

> > > Here are my original test results:

> > >

> > > Free T3 : 2.6

> > > Free T4: .9

> > > Glucose: 101

> > > TSH: 1.36

> > > T3 Reverse: .32

> > > Anti Thyroid Perx AB 5.6

> > > Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy: 28

> > > Insulin, serum : 23

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Brittney

> > >

> >

>

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ft3/rt3 ratio: 2.6/0.32 = 8.125

this is extremely low -- the ratio should be at least 19.

taking Armour (or any T4) may not work very fast.

using T3 only, at least at first, would work better.

Bill

--- At 08:57 PM 12/19/2007, Brittney wrote:

>

>Here are my original test results:

>

>Free T3 : 2.6

>Free T4: .9

>Glucose: 101

>TSH: 1.36

>T3 Reverse: .32

>Anti Thyroid Perx AB 5.6

>Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy: 28

>Insulin, serum : 23

>

>Thanks,

>Brittney

>

>

>

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Brittney I am bettign you will need mroe Cortef than the 10MG he is

prescribing. But that is a start. It i snot correct to increase thyroid

at this point until you get your adrneals more stable. We have a ramp up

schedule in our files section for taking Cortef up to 20MG and that is

usually the minimum that works. But if you graph your temps per

www.drrrind.com while you are ramoing it up, it will tell you whne oyu

have enough ot be able to tolerate the thyroid better.

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>>I am late coming into this but why are you taking armour? What is

your TSH, Free T4 and T3? It is very common to have both hyper and

hypo symptoms when you first start on Armour because of the direct

T3. <<

I have to correct this. The hyper and hypo symptoms are NOT because of the

direct T3 btut usually because of underlying adrenal or low ferritin problems

that raising the metabolism brings to the surface. True T3 raises the metabolism

but the way you wrote it someone might think they should avoid all meds with T3

and that is just the opposite of what they should do. By treat ing the

underlying low cortiosl or low Ferritin they will be able to take meds wiht T3

just fine.

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>>Thanks, . I guess I don't know much about adrenal fatigue, yet.

Can you point me to a link that can explain it to me?

I'm taking it that stage 4 or 5 is pretty bad??

He really freaked me out with the " coma " comment. What exactly was he

talking about? Am I really in danger of a coma? How do I get more HC if

he won't prescribe it to me??<<

STage 4-5 is pretty bad but not nearly as bad as stage 7 which many here fall

into. Your veyr worst problem I feel is your thyroid. The " coma " he mentioned is

Myxedema Coma and is not a true Coma as oyu understand the word. You can have it

and stil be walking around but not really functional. I had it and it is not

pleasant and takes YEARS t undo the damage from letting your thyroid levels fall

that low. Below range T3 probably qualifies as very close to this as the ranges

for thyrodi levels are REALLy bad and when oyu fina;lly get bad enough to be

below range you are near dead with your metabolism. Look here to read abotu

Myxedema Coma:

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=19712

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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