Re: Sol - Re: Sleep

[Guest guest]

Can't stand the rotten mouth taste of Lunesta, and it didn't work. At

all. In fact the times I took it, I got zero sleep.

Ambien I haven't taken. I researched it and decided I probably shouldn't

try it, don't remember why at the moment.

What I have wondered is whether it would be worth trying Lunesta,

Chloral Hydrate, amitriptyline etc again now thatm I am on adrenal

support and T3. Wonder if the response would be different? I did try

trazodone again recently, and it still didn't help.

Surmontil that Liz takes is a tricyclic and those don't agree with me.

Surmontil is trimiprimine (sp?) which leads me to believe it is closely

related to imipramine, which dropped my BP to 70/30. Tried to get out of

bed, collapsed, couldn't stand up. Crawled to the bathroom (can you tell

I still wasn't sleeping? LOL). Tried that one twice a few years apart

with the same result.

sol

Dove Rose wrote:

> Have you tried any sleep aids such as Lunesta or Ambien? I take Lunesta evey

night, sometimes a very small dose of Xanax, and it really helps. Lunesta can be

taken for quite a long time without any dependency. It is better than the stress

of not getting any decent sleep at all! I know, I was an insomniac very badly

for over 20 years!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tried Sonata (zaleplon) once for sleep, and it worked well as I

recall. This was years ago before I had diabetes or any thyroid/

adrenal issues I was aware of (although I might have had adrenal

issues - I've noticed with even small cortisol support I wake up MUCH

better - I'm much more " immune " to waking up to auditory stimuli, and

will actually feel refreshed as long as my BG is under about 85..)

It is listed as a pyrazolopyrimidine on wikipedia. It doesn't have

a chemical structure like a benzodiazepine, but has benzo-like

properties: enhancing GABA action more selectively than

benzodiazepines (it is apparently an GABA-A omega-1 receptor full-

agonist).

I also (again, years ago) tried a VERY low dose of Risperdal (one

of the newer atypical anti-psychotics - this was a dose of 1/16 mg/d)

and noticed a VERY pronounced affect on increasing the quality of my

sleep. It is (like all AP's I think) a dopamine D2 blocker. I think

it was the best night of sleep I'd ever gotten in a long while, but

it had effects on memory and other things I didn't like, and the

potential long-term side-effects (or not-so-long-term in some

people..) of AP's scare me.. Irreversible (as far as we know)

tardive dyskinesia being at the top of the " scare the living

daylights out of you " list.. So that was stopped after a week

despite the benefits - it also VERY effective at completely getting

rid of inappropriate fear/avoidance-reactions to situations.

Jim

[Guest guest]

Jim Witte wrote

> I also (again, years ago) tried a VERY low dose of Risperdal sleep..........

It is (like all AP's I think) a dopamine D2 blocker. I think

> it was the best night of sleep I'd ever gotten in a long while, but

> ........ So that was stopped after a week

> despite the benefits - it also VERY effective at completely getting

> rid of inappropriate fear/avoidance-reactions to situations.

>

Hi Jim,

I really appreciate that information! I've taken notes and will run

those by my PA.

Did you find one week's good sleep with the Risperdal to have any

lasting effect? I'm wondering whether getting good sleep for a period of

time (no idea how long would be required) would break " conditioning " or

adaptation to insomnia? Is there a bit of habituation to insomnia that

needs to be broken?

sol