Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 " jasrich " wrote: >I wake up at around 4 - 5AM and can't get back to sleep. I guess that we still haven't found our correct HC rhythm. I'm dosing 10mg at 8AM, 10mg at noon, 5mg at 4-5PM, and 5mg at bed-time (and 2.5mg at around 4-5AM for the past few nights when I wake up). You could try decreasing the noon dose to 7.5, increasing the 4 p.m. dose to 7.5 and decreasing the first bedtime dose to 2.5. Keep 2.5 for the middle of the night. >What your husband is doing is waking himself > up before the episode/attack happens, at like 3AM and taking the HC > and mag then, and then he sleeps through the rest of the night OK? Yes, we both slept well again last night. I think the night before it was just too hot and humid (I live in Florida) and we couldn't see turning the air on in December! Once the attack happens, he's like you, taking the pill/food then has no effect and he just lies there. > Also, question for you and Val (and anyone) - has anyone else seen > temps go down with an Armour increase? The day after he raises, his temps drop. But I would expect that because of the TSH feedback loop. Your pituitary senses that there's more thyroid hormone in the blood, so says, hey I don't need to make my own. I think this would be like an X on a graph, where each time you raise your dose, your natural thyroid production would decrease, until you reached that point on the graph (where both lines of the X cross) where your external supplementation becomes your primary source of thyroid, and thus TSH becomes suppressed. Only then would each dose raise cause an increase in temp. Unless, of course, your adrenals couldn't handle it. That would cause your temps to fluctuate. But even then, you should give it a few days to see if it settles down. Hope that helps, Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 jasrich wrote: > I guess that we still haven't found our > correct HC rhythm. I'm dosing 10mg at 8AM, 10mg at noon, 5mg at > 4-5PM, and 5mg at bed-time (and 2.5mg at around 4-5AM for the past few > nights when I wake up). What your husband is doing is waking himself > up before the episode/attack happens, at like 3AM and taking the HC > and mag then, and then he sleeps through the rest of the night OK? I am following the same dosing schedule you are now, except for the middle of the night dose. It hasn't helped my sleep at all so far, nor has increasing my T3. I'm still waking every hour, or less, just as I have done for years (remember for me, this is better than the near total insomnia I had for the previous couple of decades). At least I do get some sleep, but almost never sleep long enough to get to stage 4. I am actually getting quite discouraged, as I had really hoped to see improvement in sleep before now. A few nights ago, I had the experience of sleeping about 3 to 3.5 hours in one straight shot. Woke at 3:39, took 2.5 mg HC (cream). Never did get back to sleep at all, just a little very light doze, very restless. Got up as exhausted as if the 3 hours sleep never happened. I'm really tired of this. And I feel no matter how much HC and thyroid I end up on, what's the use if I remain in this awful insomnia? I don't feel anything will heal without sleep. I think I'd kill to get two 3 hour stretches of sleep per night. I don't see how I can be alive after 20+ years of this. I don't think I will live much longer if I don't start getting at least minimally decent sleep soon. I think this body is about worn out. Sorry for the ranting, bad, bad day. sol RE temps the same thing happens to me. > seen > temps go down with an Armour increase? I went up 1/4 grain yesterday > and my temps were below 98 yesterday and I'm cool again today. I'm > also even more hypoT feeling than usual. I'm sticking with the > increase so far and watching the temps, but I guess that I'll have to > drop back if the temps start swinging - I thought that I would get > warmer not cooler. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Rant away Sol. I'm feeling exactly the same as you are about sleep. 's book says that sleep is one of the most important things to heal the adrenals and then we can't do it if we treat them with HC. My Top Doc wants me to front load my HC dosing by only taking it twice/day - 8AM and noon, but nothing that any of us have read or heard supports that as a workable rhythm and I don't get the idea that any of these docs know what they're doing with the HC. His nurse was telling me that we want to work on my thyroid first and then we can work on the adrenals more, but we all know that that is impossible. I have felt awful since Friday and today isn't looking to be any better so far. I did get that root canal on Wed. and I also tried that yoga class Thursday night so maybe I created a perfect storm for myself and whacked my adrenals hard right before trying an Armour increase. I'm not sure how to extricate myself other than to back down on the Armour again and maybe stress-dose the HC. I feel like if I could sleep I would be doing much better. /rant. > > I guess that we still haven't found our > > correct HC rhythm. I'm dosing 10mg at 8AM, 10mg at noon, 5mg at > > 4-5PM, and 5mg at bed-time (and 2.5mg at around 4-5AM for the past few > > nights when I wake up). What your husband is doing is waking himself > > up before the episode/attack happens, at like 3AM and taking the HC > > and mag then, and then he sleeps through the rest of the night OK? > I am following the same dosing schedule you are now, except for the > middle of the night dose. It hasn't helped my sleep at all so far, nor > has increasing my T3. I'm still waking every hour, or less, just as I > have done for years (remember for me, this is better than the near total > insomnia I had for the previous couple of decades). At least I do get > some sleep, but almost never sleep long enough to get to stage 4. I am > actually getting quite discouraged, as I had really hoped to see > improvement in sleep before now. > A few nights ago, I had the experience of sleeping about 3 to 3.5 > hours in one straight shot. Woke at 3:39, took 2.5 mg HC (cream). Never > did get back to sleep at all, just a little very light doze, very > restless. Got up as exhausted as if the 3 hours sleep never happened. > I'm really tired of this. And I feel no matter how much HC and > thyroid I end up on, what's the use if I remain in this awful insomnia? > I don't feel anything will heal without sleep. I think I'd kill to get > two 3 hour stretches of sleep per night. I don't see how I can be alive > after 20+ years of this. I don't think I will live much longer if I > don't start getting at least minimally decent sleep soon. I think this > body is about worn out. > Sorry for the ranting, bad, bad day. > sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 It does help. Thanks as always. Guess I'll set that alarm for 3AM. My wife is buying me a watch with like 12 alarm settings so that I can keep track of all of my doses, temp readings, etc. I used to have a good enough memory to keep track of such things, but I'm too fogged out now - I think I skipped a dose of HC yesterday but couldn't remember for sure. > > >I wake up at around 4 - 5AM and can't get back to sleep. I guess > that we still haven't found our correct HC rhythm. I'm dosing 10mg > at 8AM, 10mg at noon, 5mg at 4-5PM, and 5mg at bed-time (and 2.5mg at > around 4-5AM for the past few nights when I wake up). > > You could try decreasing the noon dose to 7.5, increasing the 4 p.m. > dose to 7.5 and decreasing the first bedtime dose to 2.5. Keep 2.5 > for the middle of the night. > > >What your husband is doing is waking himself > > up before the episode/attack happens, at like 3AM and taking the HC > > and mag then, and then he sleeps through the rest of the night OK? > > Yes, we both slept well again last night. I think the night before > it was just too hot and humid (I live in Florida) and we couldn't see > turning the air on in December! > > Once the attack happens, he's like you, taking the pill/food then has > no effect and he just lies there. > > > Also, question for you and Val (and anyone) - has anyone else seen > > temps go down with an Armour increase? > > The day after he raises, his temps drop. But I would expect that > because of the TSH feedback loop. Your pituitary senses that there's > more thyroid hormone in the blood, so says, hey I don't need to make > my own. I think this would be like an X on a graph, where each time > you raise your dose, your natural thyroid production would decrease, > until you reached that point on the graph (where both lines of the X > cross) where your external supplementation becomes your primary > source of thyroid, and thus TSH becomes suppressed. Only then would > each dose raise cause an increase in temp. Unless, of course, your > adrenals couldn't handle it. That would cause your temps to > fluctuate. But even then, you should give it a few days to see if it > settles down. > > Hope that helps, > Barb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 -Sol, I don't know how you exist like that. I started having the sleep problems after starting Armour in the spring and even though I was only on it 4 days, I've had problems ever since. After 2-3 days of not sleeping well I am a basket case and can barely function. So I cannot imagine how you function I do know starting on estrogen has helped me immensely. It gets a little better every day. I also just spoke with a friend whose father had health problems and couldn't sleep and was always angry and irritable, and it turns out he was low in estrogen, of all things for a man! Anyway, once his estrogen levels normalized he was sleeping better and is pleasant to be around. That was surprising to me as many men have too much estrogen in relation to testosterone, but I guess we shouldn't assume that's always the case. -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , sol wrote: > > > I am following the same dosing schedule you are now, except for the > middle of the night dose. It hasn't helped my sleep at all so far, nor > has increasing my T3. I'm still waking every hour, or less, just as I > have done for years (remember for me, this is better than the near total > insomnia I had for the previous couple of decades). At least I do get > some sleep, but almost never sleep long enough to get to stage 4. I am > actually getting quite discouraged, as I had really hoped to see > improvement in sleep before now. > A few nights ago, I had the experience of sleeping about 3 to 3.5 > hours in one straight shot. Woke at 3:39, took 2.5 mg HC (cream). Never > did get back to sleep at all, just a little very light doze, very > restless. Got up as exhausted as if the 3 hours sleep never happened. > I'm really tired of this. And I feel no matter how much HC and > thyroid I end up on, what's the use if I remain in this awful insomnia? > I don't feel anything will heal without sleep. I think I'd kill to get > two 3 hour stretches of sleep per night. I don't see how I can be alive > after 20+ years of this. I don't think I will live much longer if I > don't start getting at least minimally decent sleep soon. I think this > body is about worn out. > Sorry for the ranting, bad, bad day. > sol > > RE temps the same thing happens to me. > > seen > > temps go down with an Armour increase? I went up 1/4 grain yesterday > > and my temps were below 98 yesterday and I'm cool again today. I'm > > also even more hypoT feeling than usual. I'm sticking with the > > increase so far and watching the temps, but I guess that I'll have to > > drop back if the temps start swinging - I thought that I would get > > warmer not cooler. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 , Sorry to hear you are not doing to well. Just to hopp on board lol without a sleeping pill I too can not sleep and even then there are nights with 4 or so hours. My doc wants me to take the Nature's Thyroid with HC AS well. He did not test me but I am not taking his advice and doing the salvia kit. I see him tomm. and although I am just so disgusted with all the docs he is the only one who has even a inkling as to try to help me. I am wanting to tell him lets cut to the chase and I tell him all I know from you all and other research I have done, but I will be nice and and a lady , but still firm as I am paying a kings ransom. a jasrich wrote: Rant away Sol. I'm feeling exactly the same as you are about sleep. 's book says that sleep is one of the most important things to heal the adrenals and then we can't do it if we treat them with HC. My Top Doc wants me to front load my HC dosing by only taking it twice/day - 8AM and noon, but nothing that any of us have read or heard supports that as a workable rhythm and I don't get the idea that any of these docs know what they're doing with the HC. His nurse was telling me that we want to work on my thyroid first and then we can work on the adrenals more, but we all know that that is impossible. I have felt awful since Friday and today isn't looking to be any better so far. I did get that root canal on Wed. and I also tried that yoga class Thursday night so maybe I created a perfect storm for myself and whacked my adrenals hard right before trying an Armour increase. I'm not sure how to extricate myself other than to back down on the Armour again and maybe stress-dose the HC. I feel like if I could sleep I would be doing much better. /rant. > > I guess that we still haven't found our > > correct HC rhythm. I'm dosing 10mg at 8AM, 10mg at noon, 5mg at > > 4-5PM, and 5mg at bed-time (and 2.5mg at around 4-5AM for the past few > > nights when I wake up). What your husband is doing is waking himself > > up before the episode/attack happens, at like 3AM and taking the HC > > and mag then, and then he sleeps through the rest of the night OK? > I am following the same dosing schedule you are now, except for the > middle of the night dose. It hasn't helped my sleep at all so far, nor > has increasing my T3. I'm still waking every hour, or less, just as I > have done for years (remember for me, this is better than the near total > insomnia I had for the previous couple of decades). At least I do get > some sleep, but almost never sleep long enough to get to stage 4. I am > actually getting quite discouraged, as I had really hoped to see > improvement in sleep before now. > A few nights ago, I had the experience of sleeping about 3 to 3.5 > hours in one straight shot. Woke at 3:39, took 2.5 mg HC (cream). Never > did get back to sleep at all, just a little very light doze, very > restless. Got up as exhausted as if the 3 hours sleep never happened. > I'm really tired of this. And I feel no matter how much HC and > thyroid I end up on, what's the use if I remain in this awful insomnia? > I don't feel anything will heal without sleep. I think I'd kill to get > two 3 hour stretches of sleep per night. I don't see how I can be alive > after 20+ years of this. I don't think I will live much longer if I > don't start getting at least minimally decent sleep soon. I think this > body is about worn out. > Sorry for the ranting, bad, bad day. > sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Val, I know that this isn't likely to be a " yes " answer, but, is it possible that my Top Doc is right about me and that I need a more front-loaded HC rhythm than what I'm doing now with 10mg at 8AM, 10mg at noon, 5mg at 4-5pm and 5mg at bed-time (or 2.5 at bed-time and 2.5 in the middle of the night which I didn't get to try Barb's method last night b/c, for the first time in over a month, I woke up one hour after falling asleep with one of my attacks again which threw me off for the whole night)? When I called his office to complain about sleep problems back in November he had his nurse/wife tell me to get all of my HC dosing done in three doses, and to try to work it down to two doses and to get the Armour done in two doses. Considering that he ignored my saliva labs and rushed me out of the office with scripts and very little guidance about how to ramp up on Armour or HC, and that he refuses to talk to patients on the phone, I've not been too keen on following his advice. She also said that we needed to work on getting thyroid optimized first and then we could work more on the adrenals which we know is impossible. You have a lot more experience treating adrenals with HC than he probably does. Considering how consistently screwed up my sleep pattern is though, I'm starting to wonder if maybe by taking the HC late in the day I'm going high cortisol instead of low as we have been assuming? My original Diagnostec saliva lab results were 10,5,2,2 which made me depressed in the AM, low-normal at noon, depressed at 5PM and normal at midnight. I get most of my obvious low cortisol symptoms like dizziness, nasal congestion, difficulty waking up, etc early in the day. The only indication of cortisol trouble later in the day is getting hungry every few hours, and having trouble sleeping. Since increasing the Armour by 1/4 grain last weekend and HC to 30mg early in the week (and then increasing the Armour by another 1/4 grain this weekend and trying another 2.5mg of HC in the middle of the night which hasn't been helping) I can't even nap, even after getting only 4-6 hours of sleep every night. If I were to try dosing HC in three doses, how would I do it? I suppose that it would be better to just try to pull that bed-time dose back to 8PM and see how I do? Is it possible that with all of the other adrenal support that I am doing, and with getting my HC up to such a high dose that I over-shot my optimal dose of HC and that I actually am on too much? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 >>I get most of my obvious low cortisol symptoms like dizziness, nasal congestion, difficulty waking up, etc early in the day<< This tells me you need more at NIGHT. BUT if there is one thing I have learnedin this.. EVERYONE is differnt. TRY a three dose routine. but i would try it when oyu have ability to take naps in the daytime cause I am betting it will get worse. My cortiosl is normal on saliva testing at 4PM and at midnight but the last dose I am abel to give up is the bedtime dose. I do nto sleep at all without it if I am taking ANY in the daytime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I took 2.5mg at 10PM when I went to bed, 2.5 at 12:30AM after I had my little wake-up attack, and 2.5 more at 4:30 when I woke up again - and I haven't slept a wink. And I can't nap - tried twice/day all weekend. My body will not let me sleep. I've got to try something but, short of completely inverting my HC schedule take the small doses in the AM and the big ones at night, I don't know what else to try. > > >>I get most of my obvious low cortisol symptoms like dizziness, nasal > congestion, difficulty waking up, etc early in the day<< > > This tells me you need more at NIGHT. BUT if there is one thing I have learnedin this.. EVERYONE is differnt. TRY a three dose routine. but i would try it when oyu have ability to take naps in the daytime cause I am betting it will get worse. My cortiosl is normal on saliva testing at 4PM and at midnight but the last dose I am abel to give up is the bedtime dose. I do nto sleep at all without it if I am taking ANY in the daytime. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Are you takign thyroid? Some folks need ot stop all thyroid before the sleep rythyms can be accomplished with HC. Then once the cortiosl rythm is right the thyroid will not disturb it. You could be havign mini thyroid dumps keepig your system agitated. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Yes, slowly ramping up Armour for the past several months. Increased dose of Armour from 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 grains last weekend and 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 grains this past Sat. based on stable temps and BPs that rise when I stand. What was going on last night felt exactly like mini-thyroid dumps - sound asleep one minute, wide-awake the next and sweating and can't get back to sleep. We've been assuming all along that this was low cortisol and hypoglycemia, but cortisol and eating in the middle of the night doesn't correct it. So now I need to stop the Armour? For how long? > > Are you takign thyroid? Some folks need ot stop all thyroid before the > sleep rythyms can be accomplished with HC. Then once the cortiosl rythm > is right the thyroid will not disturb it. You could be havign mini > thyroid dumps keepig your system agitated. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Gads I hate to see you go backwards thta far. Why not just try lowering it a bit until you get the cortisol better. When are you taking the thyroid? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 3/4 grain at 7:30AM, 1/2 grain at noon and 1/2 grain at 4-5PM - all with HC doses following. I don't want to quit the Armour since that's the whole point of what I'm doing with the HC. I guess that I could back out that last 1/4 grain increase but I was going to try to stick with it, monitoring temps and BPs. Temps have been good for the past week except for one day in the middle of the week when they spiked, but I had a root canal, was finishing antibiotics for the tooth, and just had a stressful week in general so maybe this weekend wasn't a good time to press it with an Armour increase. The sleep issues go back a lot farther than this latest increase though. > > Gads I hate to see you go backwards thta far. Why not just try lowering > it a bit until you get the cortisol better. When are you taking the > thyroid? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I'm confused about HC and sleep. Without HC, I tested low in the morning, low normal at noon and afternoon and a little high a night. Since I started 2.5 HC in the morning and especially added 2.5 in the afternoon, sleeping has gotten progressively harder. I have a little anxiety and it's hard to turn off the light. Then last night, once I did, it was hard to sleep. I just bought some PS which I figured I'd take at night. Is this the wrong approach? Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 >>I'm confused about HC and sleep. Without HC, I tested low in the morning, low normal at noon and afternoon and a little high a night. Since I started 2.5 HC in the morning and especially added 2.5 in the afternoon, sleeping has gotten progressively harder. I have a little anxiety and it's hard to turn off the light. Then last night, once I did, it was hard to sleep. I just bought some PS which I figured I'd take at night. Is this the wrong approach?<< Pobably is not going to work. As you build the HC dosage up in the daytime where ti needs to be, it lowers your ACTH which in turn lowers your night time cortisol. Then you pass a stage where you actually have low cortiosl at night which usually happens around 15-20MG HC. That is why most of us treating low cortiosl need a bedtime dose in spite of starting with highish night time cortisol levels. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 hey valerie,i been waking around 2-4am lately when this happens should i take a bedtime dose instead of taking my last dose of 2.5 cortef at 7- 8pm? thanks nancy- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 >>hey valerie,i been waking around 2-4am lately when this happens should i take a bedtime dose instead of taking my last dose of 2.5 cortef at 7- 8pm?<< Yes I would try moving the lastdose to bedtime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 I know this is late (I am way behind on reading posts) but wanted to put my 2 cents in b/c of 's comment re: estrogen- I had a total hysterectomy in March and have been taking estrogen since then. The oddest side effect of taking it is unconscious sleep for a few hours after I take it. Haven't slept like that in years. The downside is that I can only take small doses b/c I will get very weepy and down if I take the amount prescribed, so I have to be careful, but the sleep is great. > -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , sol <solbun@> > wrote: > > > > > > I am following the same dosing schedule you are now, except for the > > middle of the night dose. It hasn't helped my sleep at all so far, nor > > has increasing my T3. I'm still waking every hour, or less, just as I > > have done for years (remember for me, this is better than the near > total > > insomnia I had for the previous couple of decades). At least I do get > > some sleep, but almost never sleep long enough to get to stage 4. I am > > actually getting quite discouraged, as I had really hoped to see > > improvement in sleep before now. > > A few nights ago, I had the experience of sleeping about 3 to 3.5 > > hours in one straight shot. Woke at 3:39, took 2.5 mg HC (cream). Never > > did get back to sleep at all, just a little very light doze, very > > restless. Got up as exhausted as if the 3 hours sleep never happened. > > I'm really tired of this. And I feel no matter how much HC and > > thyroid I end up on, what's the use if I remain in this awful insomnia? > > I don't feel anything will heal without sleep. I think I'd kill to get > > two 3 hour stretches of sleep per night. I don't see how I can be alive > > after 20+ years of this. I don't think I will live much longer if I > > don't start getting at least minimally decent sleep soon. I think this > > body is about worn out. > > Sorry for the ranting, bad, bad day. > > sol > > > > RE temps the same thing happens to me. > > > seen > > > temps go down with an Armour increase? I went up 1/4 grain yesterday > > > and my temps were below 98 yesterday and I'm cool again today. I'm > > > also even more hypoT feeling than usual. I'm sticking with the > > > increase so far and watching the temps, but I guess that I'll have to > > > drop back if the temps start swinging - I thought that I would get > > > warmer not cooler. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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